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Comments by "" (@orboakin8074) on "It's Over! South Africa is F*u0026$d - Failed State" video.

Really sorry for all the good people in South Africa who are under the tyranny of their incompetent government. Stuff like this makes me so grateful I am a Nigerian. My country has many issues and load shedding too but we are far better than South Africa in many more ways and future prospects. Our electric grid, though flawed, is undergoing rapid modernisation and we never let our politicians rest on it. Our national unity is better. Our economy is larger. Our industrialization is increasing, not declining. Our political system, though flawed, is not as crippled and corrupt as South Africa and our politicians don't use the excuse of "apartheid" race to secure power. Plus, we are not known as a haven for xenophobic killings and murders. Good luck to South Africa
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"In the image of it's fellow African countries"? 🤔 Friend, you do know that South Africa is neighbored by Botswana and Namibia, both of which have better governments and economies and infrastructure despite having less land and resources than South Africa. Also, they were also colonized. South Africa is not a reflection of the rest of Africa. It's its own special case of failure and ruination, like Zimbabwe and Congo. Please, don't insult the rest of Africa like that because of South Africa's failed leadership and policies.
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@sabrinatscha2554 Um, I think you are confusing Nigeria for Niger Republic😂 The French don't have that kind of diplomatic dealings with us, friend. If anything, we are doing more to keep teh insurgents from Niger from destroying their own country and ours in the process.
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Well said, Friend. Consider that South Africa is neighbors with Botswana and Namibia both of whom have less land and resources but are among the most politically, socially, economically stable and productive countries in Africa with good infrastructure and black leadership. South Africa isn't failing because they are sub-Saharan African but because they are South Africa.
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@spidermonkey8430 Yeah, we do have a high population but it's actually declining. Also, how exactly is this a problem? Thankfully, our demographics are mainly young and not old. Plus, this means well for our labor force and since most of the young population is getting more educated and with increasing spending power, this is a good thing. However, I sincerely hope the population decline is not a severe one and that our government can concurrently improve the economic situation here in order to take advantage of our high population.
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@Anonymous______________ Then how the hell do you explain high birth rates in places like Israel that also have high IQs? Maybe the issue of high birth rates has more to do with social, economic and cultural factors rather than IQ? I mean, Rwanda has been experiencing birth rate declines, despite their improving socio-economic metrics (especially in the area of education) So maybe rethink your weird position of birthrates and IQs.
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Friend, please consider that South Africa is neighbors with Botswana and Namibia both of whom have less land and resources but are among the most politically, socially, economically stable and productive countries in Africa with good infrastructure and black leadership. South Africa isn't failing because they are sub-Saharan African but because they are South Africa.
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@fp5495 Friend, please consider that South Africa is neighbors with Botswana and Namibia both of whom have less land and resources but are among the most politically, socially, economically stable and productive countries in Africa with good infrastructure and black leadership. South Africa isn't failing because they are sub-Saharan African but because they are South Africa.
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As a Nigerian, I feel the same way and SA makes me appreciate my country more. The only difference between them and us (Kenya and Nigeria) is that we didn't have any pre-built infrastructure and had to actually work hard to build it up. Thankfully, unlike them, we chose capitalism and democracy and it is benefitting us. We may not be perfect but we both have better prospects than SA.
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@minister6667 😂😂Yeah, it sucks how my government has mishandled our electric infrastructure due to corruption and incompetence. Thankfully, at least we are making some progress with ongoing and recent purchases/construction of electric grid infrastructure. Heck! Compared to South Africa where they have freaking nuclear reactors but somehow can't keep the lights on, we are on rack to do better because we are actually building up what we need rather than let what we have break down.
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I have to agree. I am Nigerian and I have met many white South Africans and even white Zimbabweans who left their countries and some emigrated here. They tell me and my dad how bad their countries became and they also ended up integrating here and succeeding mainly cause our government, despite our issues, tends to promote capitalism and doesn't seize private property like SA and Zimbabwe did. There are several whites who actually own commercial farms here.
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Friend, I get what you are trying to imply but before you do, as a Nigerian, let me offer some more context. Maybe consider that South Africa is neighbors with Botswana and Namibia, both of whom have some of the most politically stable and well managed economies in Africa, despite having less land and resources than South Africa. They also have better infrastructure and little corruption and they have black leadership. South Africa's problems are because of South Africa, not because they are black. Their leadership embraced Marxism, racialist ideals, and we're mainly strong-men thugs who came to power. Of course their country was doomed from the start.
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Friend, please consider that South Africa is neighbors with Botswana and Namibia both of whom have less land and resources but are among the most politically, socially, economically stable and productive countries in Africa with good infrastructure and black leadership. South Africa isn't failing because they are sub-Saharan African but because they are South Africa.
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@@sincronot Wait, so by me highlighting improvements but also being realistic and objective in listing countries with issues, I did a bad thing? Aren't you the one who gave me crap for "African cope" but when I agree with you by stating how many problems are still here and how we still need to improve, you still call me out?
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@@sincronot Yes, we have been working to improve for a long time and the 90s, 2000s and even currently are periods of marked improvement. Poverty has declined by double digits on the continent, industrialization has gone up. More countries are becoming-and stayed as- democracies. Infrastructure development and maintenance has improved. Food security and other metrics are improving too. heck! My own country of Nigeria is literally the largest economy here and our national unity is still maintained. Look, I get it. You don't live here and your country and life are obviously more privileged so you take all the metrics I just listed for granted. Why shouldn't I counter your negative perceptions? Obviously we are not all developed here, like Morocco or Botswana or Mauritius, and many issues and problems abound but, thankfully, we are not all regressing like South Africa or Zimbabwe or Sudan. We don't deny this but we are also not so foolish enough (like you) as to pretend that no progress has been made.
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I am a Nigerian and Mexico sounds awesome and you folks are doing it right with embracing capitalism and industrialization👍
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@emgitonga again, well said, sir. Good leadership leads to nation's progress Also much respect to you, your country and fellow citizens for making the right political choices.
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@karmatraining Thanks, friend. Like I said in my comment, I feel so sorry for the good people in South Africa who are being hindered by their inept corrupt politicians.
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@@sincronot Not cope. Just refuting a foolish notion. Yes, we have issues in Africa and bad leadership, flawed institutions and socio-economic systems are part of them but we are actually working to improve by using better leadership and socioeconomic systems. If you see that as a "cope" oh well. Your life is clearly probably so insular due to your own privilege, so you won't understand our need to push back against constant negative preconceptions or our working hard for a better future😕😕
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@demming6540 much appreciated. I don't even disagree with some of their criticism of Africa and our politicians but what I can't stand is their narrow- minded and subjective poorly researched opinions they are pushing as fact. They foolishly think all of Africa has not progressed at all.
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@Marcianito100PorCientoReal Amen, brother. Great conversation 👍
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@derikuk2967 Wow, good for you being able to escape from there, friend. Also, yeah, the issue of most modern countries in Africa created after colonialism and disparate tribes is true, even in the case of my country. However, in our case, we were colonized by the British and the frameworks they left behind (political, socio-economic, and others) are what have helped us form a stable, yet fledgling national unity. Plus, Ethiopia was never colonized and yet hey have had more civil conflicts than us and failing national unity. It all comes down to the political leadership and the social, cultural and political frameworks said country was built on. South Africa was built on poor frameworks and is suffering because of that and poor leadership while Botswana (another colonized country) was built on better frameworks and is doing fine despite also having several different tribes.
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Stuff like this makes me so grateful I am a Nigerian. My country has many issues and load shedding too but we are far better than South Africa in many more ways and future prospects. Our electric grid, though flawed, is undergoing rapid modernisation and we never let our politicians rest on it. Our national unity is better. Our economy is larger. Our industrialization is increasing, not declining. Our political system, though flawed, is not as crippled and corrupt as South Africa and our politicians don't use the excuse of "apartheid" race to secure power. Plus, we are not known as a haven for xenophobic killings and murders. Good luck to South Africa
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@brandonshomack6950 yeah, the mob lynching is an unfortunate tragic thing that happens in my country but I would advise you not to be so easily taken by what you see on the internet. Much like how American media overblows their incidences of black people getting killed by police, the mob lynching is not as frequent or common as you think. Also, many times, the perpetrators are immediately arrested and detained by local law enforcement and it has become a social taboo to perform mob lynching here. Sadly, some still happen but not as much as you would want to imagine.
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@jimtoner9602 Um, did you not see my comments where I attributed the success of Botswana and Namibia to their good leadership and their wise use of the socioeconomic policies and systems the Europeans left?
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@tedmoss damn straight, friend.
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@Ben_c-j4u you explained it better than I could, friend
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@Yatagarasu-b9w Thanks very much, friend. I am pretty used to it and just tend to calmly counter these types of people. Honestly, if he were simply criticizing us in Africa, I wouldn't mind, as long he was being objective and criticizing actual problems. We are not against people pointing out our flaws but I guess he just wanted to be a dick.
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@quietcool4884 um, did I disagree with you on that point? I literally said SA is failing because they are SA. Botswana and Namibia have better political leadership and economic and social and cultural systems. I really don't understand what we are disagreeing about here.
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@demming6540 Again, thanks friend. I appreciate to see someone being objective in this thread. Also, I have no doubt the west will overcome their ongoing issues as you guys have always done. One reason many of us in Africa are optimistic about our future is because more of our countries are using western socioeconomic (Capitalism, democracy and liberalism) models to improve ourselves.
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Hi friend. Sorry for what you experienced. I am a Nigerian and I have a question: why didn't SA and Zimbabwe just follow the example of Botswana and Namibia?
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I hear you. I am Nigerian and I had a friend back in secondary school who was a Boer and whose family had roots in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Sadly, they had to flee because of Mugabe and the worsening state of South Africa. Really great folks who got along well with us in Nigeria. Last I heard he and his folks emigrated to the UK but they always had good things to say about my country and I'm glad they are okay.
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@EB-jf5oi and this is my problem because? India and China also have high numbers of expat citizens and migratory workers. Why aren't you criticizing them or even bringing them up? Also, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Mexico and India and China partly get more developed by some of their citizens going to developed countries, learning skills, earning money and reinvesting it back in their home countries? Why shouldn't the Africans using this same practice do the same?
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@EB-jf5oi right. Right, I am sure that's how you really feel. If there are black people in your part of the world causing problems and being there illegally, by all means, deal with them as your laws demand. Same as with any other groups of foreigners. If They are there legally, obeying your laws, paying taxes and doing what your governments demand of them, why should it bother you?
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@Marcianito100PorCientoReal Man, your current situation sounds just like that of my onw country. Though we are teh largest economy in Africa and industrialization has been increasing, our current government and ruling party since 2015 is more left-wing than our last one. They have been overspending, increasing taxes, and so many other backwards economic policies that caused many issues here but, thankfully, the trade deals and polices our previous government made have prevented much worse damage. In your case, I have no doubt Mexico will continue to improve and better politicians will take power. Plus, you guys are closer to teh USA and have been able to take full advantage of that👍👍
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@Marcianito100PorCientoReal again, it's amazing how similar our country's plights are. We also have our insecurity problem but mainly from Islamic insurgents from unstable countries like Mali, Niger, Burkina Faso etc and some home grown insurgents. Thankfully, the only good thing our current government did was bolster our armed forces and military to tackle the insurgency and it's working. As for Mexico, I have no doubt you guys can deal with the cartel problem, especially through security deals with the USA. You also have better electricity production than we do and much of manufacturing is coming to you. So you are well on your way to becoming a better country.
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Not surprised this is happening in South Africa. That's what happens when country is run by Jack booted Marxist thugs. Botswana and Namibia are next to them and both have better infrastructure, better managed economies, and more stable politics despite having less land and resources. SA is a failure of a country
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Friend, please consider that South Africa is neighbors with Botswana and Namibia both of whom have less land and resources but are among the most politically, socially, economically stable and productive countries in Africa with good infrastructure and black leadership. South Africa isn't failing because they are sub-Saharan African but because they are South Africa.
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@mattrooney4904 Oh believe me, friend, I do and you are right that with them it was inevitable that SA would become what is today i.e. ZImbabwe 2.0. I am a Nigerian and growing up in the early 2000s, we usued to look on SA as a better country than ours but today, my country has outpaced them economically and I am graceful we didn't go down their path. As for the ANC, I know of how most of them were just illiterate Marxist-trained thugs and murderers who gained power and effectively just replaced teh apartheid whites and proceeded to ruin that country. That is why I always compare them and Zimbabwe to the better examples of Botswana and Namibia who had great leadership and embraced good economic, political and social systems i.e. capitalism, democracy and liberalism.
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@khersonskiyarbuzkhersonski2460 yeah, so what? South Africa's economy has declined and Nigeria has replaced them for years as Africa's largest economy so much so that Elon Musk brought Star Link to them first rather than his own country of South Africa. Also, Botswana has a better and more stable political climate, economic structure with less corruption, more security, and better infrastructure compared to South Africa. SA is coasting on nice looking geography and degrading infrastructure the apartheid whites built and their politicians and citizens are ruining that country.
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@rompis.a I see what you did there🤣 But seriously, BRICS is a joke of an economic and political bloc and the people who actually think it poses any serious threat or potential as a group are delusional.
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@AlexanderTheFarmer so Namibia and Botswana are run by Europeans? Okay😕😕 Whatever you are smoking, please send me some🤣🤣 I need to see how someone gets this much brain rot!
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@glennnile7918 So South Africa never had corrupt or inept politicians before? So all of your ANC Marxist thugs and "strong men" came from my country?🤔🤔 Look, your country already had corrupt and incompetent black leadership long before mine. They were handed a functioning country with infrastructure and good prospects but managed to destroy it while mine was not as well built as yours but we are gradually building it up😒😒
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@Kinger_of_the_circus i wish.....
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@AR15andGOD well said.
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@WorlTramp thanks, friend. We would be doing better were it not for the economic mismanagement of our current left-leaning less nationalist ruling party.
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@hlengiwemasondo2858 interesting that you are writing this from Nigeria. Tell me, which country would you feel safer to be in right now? South Africa where they are known for mass xenophobic lynching of foreigners and their failing economy and worsening insecurity or in bad Nigeria?
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@josephkelly6681 simple: my country was colonized by the British and during that time, for all the bad that happened, the British also imparted their social, economic and political framework on our country. That's why we have one national language, practice democracy (multi party type), have more free market economics and a more positive outlook and prospect as a nation. While we don't have the pre-existing infrastructure that the apartheid whites built in South Africa, we have had to build most of it off what the British left. Despite the corruption our politicians have, a benefit is that they were not influenced by Marxism like in SA. So most tend to respect democracy and capitalism here. Also, though our country had a civil war, national unity was preserved largely by things like the unified language we all speak (English) and the inertia and socioeconomic pressures keeping us together. We're basically built differently from South Africa.
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@Michael-hm8cs many hurdles, friend. the digital one is not been widely accepted. They tried to introduce a new redesigned physical version of our money and there was a huge supply issue and many people were hit hard. On one hand, it's meant to curb corruption and insurgency but the implementation has been flawed.
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@powerbite92 oh, the Nigerians in your country who commit these crimes and destabilize your country have nothing but scorn from us here and we apologize for that. But I must ask, are you saying so many bad Nigerians were single-handedly responsible for all the social problems in SA? So your own people have no gangs of their own? Your politicians and citizens are blameless and without corruption or anything? It's all the fault of outsiders?🤔🤔
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@pascoett amen to that, friend. I hope more of our countries become like Botswana.
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@hlengiwemasondo2858 Also, on the issue of tribalism, it's weird that you claim my country's tribalism is somehow worse than that of most African countries. Yes,it is sad we have that division but you really can't compare us to some others like say Ethiopia and Sudan for example. Both are.more culturally homogeneous and yet they are having civil wars with brutal acts like rapes, beheadings, and torture. I am grateful my country doesn't have any of this. We may have tribalism here but our national unity is better than in many other African countries but if you feel safer elsewhere, please take a trip to South Africa, Sudan, Congo, Ethiopia, Libya etc. You'll see what tribalism really is.
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Agreed. They really have no excuse as a country. Botswana and Namibia are next to them. Both have less land and resources than SA but both are among the most politically stable, economically well managed, less corrupt, and have great infrastructure. South Africa is a joke of a country and most of us in Africa are genuinely ashamed for them because of their wasted potential.
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@@sincronot Again, you don't live here nor do you seem objective or level-headed or open to any sort of discussion. It's black-and-white for you. I only mentioned the countries that are regressing to be objective and show that I, and most Africans, are not ignorant of our own continental reality. We know we still have many issues here and the countries I listed are proof but, as I also stated, we are not stupid (as you are) to pretend that no progress has, and is been made here. You claim by 2030 my country will regress without any proof or objective statistics and yet I am the one "coping"? Funny, Elon Musk literally chose Nigeria as teh firs country in Africa to receive Star Link instead of his own birth country of SA, yet you think my country will fail in 2030? about 7 years?🤔🤔 Look, you think what you want to think and bluster all you want. Reality is reality, not what we like to pretend it is. We know our reality in Africa and how much we need to improve and also how much we have improved. You can look it up if you want or take it from someone who actually lives here or just stick to your convenient narrative😒😒
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@quietcool4884 okay, then. If you think so. This is clearly more of a "gotcha" scenario that you westerners do instead of an objective discussion about Africa but whatever. I suppose you actually believe all of Africa is still stuck in the 1800s and has made no economic, political, cultural, or social progress. You also presented no statistics to back this up to refute me
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@Tespri congrats to Singapore, Hong Kong and others like them. That's the kind of progress we, in much of Africa, are working towards getting. That's why we are working with the same framework those countries you listed used i.e. western socioeconomic and cultural systems like democracy, capitalism and liberalism. We have obviously not gotten there yet (largely due to our poor leadership and sociocultural issues) but we made a lot of progress and we are determined to get there. On a sidenote, it is terrible how the authoritarian CCP is now undoing all the progress that Hong Kong worked to achieve. I only pray the good people of Hong Kong survive this.
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Friend, please consider that South Africa is neighbors with Botswana and Namibia both of whom have less land and resources but are among the most politically, socially, economically stable and productive countries in Africa with good infrastructure and black leadership. South Africa isn't failing because they are sub-Saharan African but because they are South Africa.
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Not surprised this is happening in South Africa. That's what happens when country is run by Jack booted Marxist thugs. Botswana and Namibia are next to them and both have better infrastructure, better managed economies, and more stable politics despite having less land and resources. SA is a failure of a country
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@carljacobs1287 Damn, that is really sad to know but also very informative. I had no idea the Zulu leadership actually was more moderate and might have done better for the country and even teh anti-education sentiment from many black communities surprises me, mainly because here in my country, education is actually something that is even culturally enforced. Thanks for sharing, sir. Also, I do hope the good people of SA make it. The ones I have met (white and black) are some of teh friendliest and kindest people. So sorry your country is held hostage by the evil ANC.
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To those who will try to imply that South Africa failed because black people can't lead nations, before you do, as a Nigerian, let me offer some more context. Maybe consider that South Africa is neighbors with Botswana and Namibia, both of whom have some of the most politically stable and well managed economies in Africa, despite having less land and resources than South Africa. They also have better infrastructure and little corruption and they have black leadership. South Africa's problems are because of South Africa, not because they are black. Their leadership embraced Marxism, racialist ideals, and we're mainly strong-men thugs who came to power. Of course their country was doomed from the start.
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