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As a Nigerian, my simple answer for why Arabs continue to fail militarily and socioeconomically is: Bad geography, poor social and economic systems, poor culture that rejects innovation, meritocracy, or modernity, poor political systems, failing legal and social institutions, dutch disease, tribalism and others. Also, the colonialism excuse is just lazy and mainly used by tribalist Arabs as an excuse. Same way Pan-Africans use it as an excuse for Africa's failings.
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@commonman9782 no, it won't. It would simply adapt like most other world religions tend to do. Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, and others already adapted and are still strong religions. Islam clearly adapted in Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, Armenia, Ethiopia etc. It is you Arabs and your culture that refuses to change or adapt and you are failing because of this socially, economically, and politically.
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@jacklaurentius6130 my words? You mean pointing out how Christian reforms were wisely done? Friend, you do realize that prior to social and religious reforms the Church did, stuff like debt slavery, chattel slavery, and low proliferation of science and innovation was sanctioned by ruling monarchs and social elites who used the church as their bulwark to suppress these things. It is thanks to more enlightened minds and their philosophy, in line with the tenets of traditional Christianity, in the church who made it possible for better reforms to come. I mean, you do know that the scientific method was created by Sir Francis Bacon (a devout Christian). The censorship from monarchies after th invention of Gutenberg's printing press was a failure partly due to the Church's earlier stance on promoting literacy among common folk via them reading the bible. Basically, Christianity came to a conclusion that God created the natural world and in order for us a his creations to be closer to him, we must study the natural world; something Islam rejected. So, again, how exactly did you infer from my comments that I believe Christianity hindered science or anything else?
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@Followers_of_Tawheed How so? Only Muslim country with strong economy, industrializing, manufacturing, good demographics, political stability, good trade, liberalism, secularism, strong military, good global diplomacy and geopolitical credentials, good food security, good climatic and geographical conditions, and positive outlook. Why do you think they are not exceptional? especially compared to the vast majority of the islamic world?
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@SuperBadadan Yes, for the Muslims. Let's just say throughout history, any major caliphate has benefitted them but for only a short span and in the long-run, it always fell apart due to infighting, economic, cultural and geographic issues. But mainly due to the fact that islam is meant to be a dominating force rather than a moral guide and this makes it incapable of adapting or changing when it has to, as other world religions do. Heck! during their golden age, their ruler, Harun al-Rashid, was making progress at reforming islam via Mutazilism and they were the pinnacle of scientific, religious, philosophical, economic and societal advancements, especially compared to Europe and Christendom but a backlash from ultra-orthodox sects and religious elites, stopped these reforms because it threatened their status and power. Islamic civilization began to regress after that. Thankfully, Turkey saw wisdom in reforms and is benefitting today because of it.
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As a Nigerian, here's my simple answer: Bad geography, poor culture that rejects meritocracy, innovation, modernity, poor social and economic systems, poor political systems, failing legal and social institutions, dutch disease, tribalism and others. Also, the colonialism excuse is just lazy and mainly used by tribalist Arabs as an excuse. Same way Pan-Africans use it as an excuse for Africa's failings.
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@test-ot1fz Yes, Libya was "richer" during Gaddafi but it was also not politically stable or economically equal for all citizens. Plus, it fell quickly into civil war after he was killed. Not a very well built country.
Iraq's military being strong is not a very good indicator. he couldn't even beat Iran. Their economy was still weak, corrupt, Saddam oppressed his own people, invaded other Arab countries and plunged his country and the region into chaos.
Also, what makes you think all of teh west and Christendom supports LGBTetc? If you have any sense and actually talk to westerners and Christians, most of us don't support it. We certainly don't hate them as you do in your part of the world but we respect their rights as citizens. We just don't support their lifestyle.
Finally, you secularism means no more Christianity? I suppose you also think Turkey has no Islam anymore too😕😕Secularism simply means tolerance. Considering you people in the middle east still have infighting, despite being Muslim (Sunni versus Shia, Ahmadiya discrimination, Wahhabism and Salafism extremism, Mutazali repression etc) you guys are not as united as you like to imagine.
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@Pakilla64 And that is one of it's greatest flaws, especially Arab culture and Arab islam. Due to this, it is slow, sometimes impossible, for it to make any reforms and necessary changes for the betterment of itself and society simply since the social, religious and political elites want to maintain their status at the expense of everyone else. This is basically why during their golden age, they rejected the reforms of Harun al-Rashid and declined subsequently in economics, politics, education, philosophy, science and technology compared to the west and Christendom. Good thing Christianity and even Turkey never had this weakness.
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@BESTINTHEWORLD0007 Yes, you are saying that but it is clearly not accurate. Secularism is defined as a policy of separating religion from public affairs like politics, economics, education, industry, and civil law. Christianity didn't lose to secularism. It evolved with secularism and modernized, like many other religions like Hinduism (India) Shinto and Buddhism (Japan), even Islam in Turkey, Azerbaijan, Malaysia, Senegal, Indonesia and few others modernized and have elements of secularism. That is why their politics, economies and judicial systems are not hindered and stagnant like the Arab world today. That is also why they have true national unity and stability while you Arabs continue to fight and have unstable countries.
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@minestar2247 so the Nile and Fertile Crescent are enough to feed the entire arid middle East? Is this not the same Egypt, Iraq, etc that depends on Ukraine and Russia for grain?🤔
Only Israel, Lebanon and Turkey actually practice capitalism and liberalism. The rest of you don't. Property rights are not strong, sl*very still exists, you have low industrialization and manufacturing. Your economies are largely state-owned with no innovation or diversification.
The tribalism and atomization wasn't caused by the US. It has always existed. Sunni-Shia schisms. Repression of minority tribes like Druze and Yazidis and Ibadis. Suppression of Christians, Berbers etc. always been there.
Dutch disease has also been there from the start. Before oil, most of your societies were focused on spice, gemstones, pearls or other single commodities. Oil just replaced all that. If you were truly capitalist, you would have diversified your economies🤔
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Whenever i hear someone say "Islam will take over the world", the reality of the middle East and the history if the region tells me otherwise😕 Any region, culture, religion tribe that rejects modernity, rationality and stability will never be stable or widely viable. There's a reason why the only Muslim regions/countries that tend to do well are Turkey, Indonesia, Oman, and Southwestern Nigeria because their cultures people promote tolerance, education, secularism, entrepreneurship, modernity and industry which the Arab world rejects and will always reject.
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