Comments by "FishE" (@fishe9863) on "Shooting Cats: Australia's War On Feral Cats" video.

  1. Thank you for understanding the situation, and thank you for being such a responsible cat owner! People like you are unfortunately rare in these comments...
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  2. Thank you for being open to the situation, and listening as to why. These people should be given more credit for the work they do.
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  3. Yea, these cats are like any other invasive besides the fact that they cause more damage. No one is defending Asian carp, or zebra muscles, or round gobies, or cane toads, or feral hogs like what the frick dude all invasives are bad ones. Including cats.
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  4. So basically, screw conservation and let generations live with the regret and problems that their ancestors caused? Screw natural pollinators we will probably make drones to spread the seeds. Oh boy all the water systems are heavily polluted with extremely toxic algae without any bottom feeders. Where we gonna get our water? Bah we'll just evolve to drink from the ocean. Oh crap the microplastics are clogging our guts. Better evolve to fix that amiright? Oh hey more landslides due to the lack of trees keeping dirt in place. May as well evolve like moles to just live underground. Ah lower oxygen levels from us killing all the plants, need to evolve smaller bodies with bigger lungs for that. Horay! Bugs are extinct because the oxygen levels determine their size and thanks to such oxygen levels and lack of food, all them bugs are gone. We need conservation and conservation hunting. This isn't a natural situation and it's our problem to fix it instead of letting the situation rot and pass it onto the next generation.
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  5. If they did that hundreds upon hundreds of native species would be wiped off the planet forever. Cats kill for sport due to instinct. They are opportunists, you never know when your next meal is. So when it's millions of cats doing it all at once there is obviously going to be a problem.
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  6. Thank you for keeping an open mind to the situation and accepting that this needs to be done for multiple reasons.
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  7. Ever heard of an invasive species imported by humans? Yeah. Completely unnatural as the invasive would have never been in that area naturally. Conservation and the idea of extinction didn't exsist till the late 1800's. Get your head out of the early 1800's.
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  8. Thank you for understanding ;)
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  9. Thanks for understanding the situation, as many people see cats on the same level as humans and are making literal death threats over it, which I find just idiotic.
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  10. Cats kill for sport just like humans. 2-3 critters a night, with millions of cats. Millions killed a night without being eaten. In this situation, cats are the murders. In other words, cats are too evolutionary successful in non native environments. The animals there haven't had enough time to evolve against cats. Thus shall lead to many extinctions. Cats have caused about 22 native animals extinctions. So what's better, one life or thousands of lives?
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  11. Mice and rodents have native predators. Yea there are some intoduced rodents, but there where mice there before cats. The native wildlife should be able to handle it. Plus we have fought mice for hundreds of years, not cats. We have more experience with rodent problems then cat problems. The rodent population shouldn't be going anywhere any time soon.
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  12. The feral cat problem is actually made worse with the fires every year because then it leaves the natives even more defenseless, as if they did have any to begin with.
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  13. We have to control the invasive feral cats because otherwise innocent native species found no where else on the planet will go extinct. It was the humans that brought them in the first place. It's our job to fix our wrongdoings.
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  14. At least humans nowadays know when to stop killing, and to try and fix our screw ups. Cats-don't give a rip. I can see where you are coming from because irresponsible humans made the problem in the first place.
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  15. Did ya watch the whole video? Did you look at the numbers of things cats kill annually? Do you know what kinds of diseases cats give to livestock and humans there? (Toxoplasmosis and Sarcocystis are two major ones on a list)
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  16. This situation isn't natural, the cats where brought there by humans. The native species haven't gotten a chance to evolve against the cats. "Well what about evolution and extinctions of species?" This happened in the span of a century. Evolution takes millions of years. The cats are hitting too hard for the environment to keep up.
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  17. This isn't even on the same continent. There's a reason why the definition of "invasive" exsists, of which you may have missed. Or you may have missed the points they brought up as to why it's happening and why cats are so terrible to environments they aren't native to.
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  18. Feeding them won't stop the cats instincts. You see, cats are natural opportunits. You never know when you next meal will be, so they kill things even when they are full. Its not the cats fault whatsoever. But it's the humans that let their cats outside are the ones at fault. There is a whole list of reasons why letting your cat outside is bad. Literally the only reason to let a cat outside is for stimulation, of which a responsible cat owner can easily provide inside.
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  19. I mean well.... These culls do serve a purpose to reduce the impacts the invasive species have. Also, sport hunting is kinda necessary (in certain situations like population control I 100% agree with) like with white tailed deer. Overpopulation has and will lead to starvation, disease, and injuries. Like with more deer the more car incidents, or with deer attacking pets when they go crazy in the rut.
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  20.  @cryptolegend6803  well, good luck with your nightmare of a situation. At least you did warn them so if you get into any legal trouble they can't do much because they were warned.
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  21. These are feral cats. Completely wild and untamable. If we did nothing, hundreds of species will go extinct. If you actually watched the video you would learn they are invasive. Plus cat owners are actually warned to keep their cats indoors, amd if not try to keep them in during the night. It drives me NUTS how people don't realize how TERRIBLE cats are to the environment (s) they aren't native to.
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  22.  @scriptingrabbit705  hm yes kill the environment by getting rid of keystone species that are needed for a local environment to survive. That way we get to kill more with a thing called the butterfly effect!
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  23. These are hunters. Conservation hunting it's called. Hundreds of conservation hunting projects are going on around the world. But the cat man, I wouldn't necessarily call a hunter either. But the other people are.
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  24. That is FAR too costly and time consuming to do to millions of cats. Plus it won't stop em from killing. It's far more cheaper and more humane to put em down
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  25. They ain't crazy they are heros if you look at the big picture. Cats kill millions a year, for fun! So what's better, one life over the thousands that one life has stolen?
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  26. Cost? Millions of cats? Won't stop em from killing. The government does plan to airbomb a bunch of poisoned sauges on em with which I don't agree with. The sausages can affect untargeted species, and cats will learn from seeing their buddies getting sick from the food. This method you talk about works like a dream in certain areas. But they have already tried this, and it just won't work with millions of cats. It's hard to find a proper solution without hurting native wildlife, besides humanely shooting them. It's good that you care for animals, and that you tried to contribute a solution to the problem. It's just not effective enough to quite stop them
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  27. I will admit, this mini documentary is a bit brutal but it is to the point. I do think they could have displayed the problem better (example: poisoning process and effects of it on the environment and the humaneness) so it's not just you. Although I do fully support the situation. Thanks for trying to watch and learn!
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  28. 1. You clearly didn't watch the video 2. Humans are trying to fix their wrongdoings, as God did give us free will 3. It isn't natural, this would have never happened if Karen let fluffy to party outside. Plus, the natives haven't had enough time to evolve to cats, and even then they can't evolve because cats would have killed them all. 4. Cats kill thousands of species a year, and have already caused 28 native species extinctions. 5. Cats don't kill humanely unlike humans. They often throw their prey, break it's bones, tearing it's limbs off while it's still alive. Cats aren't the angels you think they are.
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  29. Ah good concern ya got there random citizen of the internet! Now when it comes to TNR (trap, neuter, release) it won't work for a couple reasons in this situation. 1. Diseases. Diseases like Toxoplasmosis and Sarcocystis. Sarcocystis is a very big problem in the sheep industry there right now. 2. We simply can't catch them all, so even if we catch a majority a small population will continue to reproduce. Once the sterilized population dies off the new generation will simply take their places making the effort fruitless. 3. It won't stop the cats from overkilling things as cats kill for sport due to instinct. 4. Stress of being trapped and undergoing surgery that could potentially lead to infections that will stress the cat out even more. Plus you are moving it away from it's territory into unknown environments. Now I'm not saying TNR won't work in any situation. TNR is a wonderful solution for stray colonies, and feral colonies that live near human settlements. I personally believe TNR would be a better solution near cities because then we wouldn't run the risk of accidentally poisoning or killing someone's pet. But in the countryside shooting and hunting would be more effective then in cities.
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  30.  @jadkiss827  so, let me guess, you don't support conservation hunting? Sure seems like it.
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  31. There's a feral dog problem too so it's not just cats. There's also a feral goats, feral horses, feral camels, african buffalo, rabbit, fox, cane toads, ect that are all problematic.
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  32. I can tell you didn't watch the video. Even in the first minute of the video it tells you why they have to do this. Watch the video before commenting please
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  33. This, is not like the emu war. This is about removing an invasive species. So is any form of conservation culls considered idiotic if it takes place in Australia? This project isn't the same as the other ones.
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  34. I'm fine with you hunting em, but I hope you warned your neighbors first to avoid any lawsuits. Otherwise, good luck with hunting!
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  35.  @fadilahhjahamed7054  well, thank you for doing your part to protect people and other animals! It takes guts to kill that kind of animal (s) with people seeing it as evil to do so.
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  36. A horrible situation indeed, but the work these brave men and women do is horribly good.
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  37.  @rcc8506  I honestly didn't know people are doing it too where you are, interesting.
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  38. Why? Please explain so I can understand if you are well informed or uninformed. A reply would be lovely, as I am currently doing a school project on the situation because it intrigued me. I partially disagree with the culls for two reasons: removing a predator invasive or not will heavily impact the preys numbers and send off balance in the ecosystem if done too quickly (as in this situation) and humane kills. Due to the sheer size of the continent, they plan to air drop poisoned sausages that are fatal to invasive species . The poison is called sodium fluoroacetate, and apparently the natives are immune to it. Although I am not sure about this as I have yet more research to do about said method. Feed back is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
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  39. Also studies show cats prefer other animals then rats and mice
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  40. The cats or the cat man? Either one I can understand as to why hating them but which one?
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  41. There is actually some sources online if you wanna get access to poisoning! I myself can't sign up because I'm in America. https://www.environment.gov.au/biodiversity/threatened/publications/factsheet-tackling-feral-cats Somewhere in the documents I remember it saying you have to sign up a meeting with your local department. Hope that helped!
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  42.  @locked-down4wders671  gonna be honest here, I don't exactly know the laws and regulations for hunting in Australia. But I wish ya luck!
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  43. Actually they kinda do lol. There is an article somewhere on the internet that said PETA partially agrees
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  44. It isn't actually. The government officially declared feral cats as a pest in 2015, and had planned to cull millions of em by 2020, but the fires weren't planned to be that bad. Fun fact: the government has invested $3 million to the cause.
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  45. Studies have shown cats prefer other animals then rats and mice
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  46. I've heard they do, but I don't remember finding a source clarifying the cost per killed cat.
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  47. Sooo.... What do you propose we do about the invasive species?
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  48. STRAY was domestic once, breed then died. The kittens where never domesticated, making them feral. Cats have been in Australia roughly 100 years. Generations worth, so no they aren't domesticated. Stray and feral aren't the same. It's basically impossible to tame feral cats unless they are kittens. No we can't take them in because there are an estimated 2 million that are disease ridden. Diseases that are transmittable to humans and livestock. No TNR wont work because it doesn't stop the problem of cats killing things for sport.
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  49. Did you watch the entire video? Are ya hating on the cat man? Because that's understandable. But hating on the culls?
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  50.  @Factz1x  that uh.... Didn't really answer my question... I'd rather have a civil talk rather than throw insults, so please tell me why in a calm manner.
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  51. It's not natural at all. The native species haven't had time to evolve. Evolution takes millions of years, so to have a predator emerge in a century and spread like "wildfire".( pun intended ) The cats are hitting the environment too hard at once, along with humans doing it as well. But at least humans try to fix our screw ups and to restore the natural order we tampered with.
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  52. Unfortunately sterilization won't work for multiple reasons. 1. That won't stop them from overkilling as cats kill for sport due to instinct. 2. Diseases like Toxoplasmosis and Sarcocystis will still be spread 3. We simply can't catch them all. So even if we are able to catch a majority a small unsterilized population may remain and produce the next generation. That next generation will simply spread once again. 4. Stress on the cats. Moving them miles away from their territory to undergo a surgery that has a slight chance of infection, let alone the period of healing time in captivity will lead to a lotta stress. Though I'm not saying TNR (trap, neuter, release) won't work. TNR works wonderfully in stray colonies and small feral colonies. Personally I think it would be the best option to use TNR near human settlements so we wouldn't run the risk of accidentally shooting or poisoning someone's pet. Then in the country side we wouldn't need to use TNR as there's a FAR less risk. Also I do see your point with the catman, the dude and his house is terrifying. You don't see deer hunters go to that extent either
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  53. Oh don't worry, feral kittens can be tamed and adopted, it's the adult ferals and stupid pet owners that are the problem.
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  54. I partially agree with this, adult ferals are untamable, but the kittens can be tamed. Strays are abandoned cats that have had some experience with humans and are tameable.
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  55. Rodents are already native to Australia, and have many natural predators unlike the cats there that only have two: dingos and a specie of raptor. Both of which, are endangered or are somewhere way below least concern on the list.
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  56. *rodent problem Also no the rodent problem wasn't caused by the feral cat culls. Reason being that the culls have been going on for years and the rodent problem would've popped up much earlier if it was indeed the result of the culls. Now as of recent, Australia did have some flooding after the past couple years of little rain water. So it's more than likely the weather caused the population boom. When you look at the timing of things it makes more since because the problem started when the floods ironically came.
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  57. It won't work over THOUSANDS of kilometers of rough terrain. Plus it's too expensive and time consuming to catch 2 million cats and sterilize them all. It also won't stop them from killing things (cats kill for sport because of instinct) so it's just fruitless to do it. But it's most likely more effective in suburban areas because you don't run the risk of hurting someone's pet, or affecting non-targeted with poisons.
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  58.  @jadkiss827  feral cats are basically impossible to tame unless they are kittens. Australia has been cut off from any other continent besides Antarctica for millions of years. If you noticed, North America has some species of cats living there. Australia on the other hand, doesn't. In no way shape or form is 100 years enough for the native species to evolve against cats. Cats kill for sport due to instinct. No matter how full they are, they will still kill things. This is due to not knowing when your next meal will be, so they will keep killing. As long as it is physically able to that is. No matter where you are, it's inhumane to let your car outside. The only reason to is pest control and stimulation. Both of which the owner should be able to do. Diseases, cars, natural predators, poisons are just a few on a whole list of negatives. Thats why TNR won't work.
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  59.  @jadkiss827  it's still going to be impossible to trap, nueter, and release every cat. It's inhumane in certain situations because if the amount of stress put on the cat with moving it great distances. Cats will still kill for sport. Diseases will continue to run rampant. TNR isn't the solution. Though I do agree with the hunting for sport part. The only reason why I support the situation is because cats are basically one of the worlds worst invasive species, and this is conservation hunting (well, mostly I hope)
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  60.  @jadkiss827  yes, I agree that TNR is a blessing in certain areas. But Australia's ecosystem is unique, it hasn't touched any other continent besides Antarctica since Gondwana started to break apart (Gondwana was after Pangea) North America, South America, Asia, Africa, all those major continents had cats. But Australia never has. Another thing with the hunting, a lot of cat owners actually don't know how often their cats actually kill things, as they won't always being things home. Cats will still kill, as long as they are physically able to. Heck, I once saw a cat with a neurological disorder flop around trying to chase a squirrel (I'll admit it was cute) but point is, cats will still kill. Disease is also a major factor, although admittedly strays also have the same problem with diseases. Two major ones in Australia are Sarcocystis and Toxoplasmosis Yes I do think TNR is a good solution, but it doesn't work over THOUSANDS of kilometers of rough terrain. I do believe it's actually better to use TNR practices in urban and suburban areas because it gets rid of the risk of affecting non-targeted species. But out on farmlands and forests, it's far easier, humane, less time consuming and less costly to simply hunt the cat. Sorry for any spelling errors/grammatical errors, I'm on mobile.
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  61.  @jadkiss827  if we continue to let cats do whatever they want species will go extinct. Yes humans have caused many extinctions. No this isn't the cats fault it's the humans fault. That's why it's the humans job to fix it. Also just because something can reproduce like a cat doesn't mean it's at an incredibly high risk, as non of the native species have been given enough time to evolve. Also only TWO native species actually kill cats, but even then they aren't common. Foxes can kill cats but even then we need to reduce their numbers.
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  62. Feral cats have been estimated that 90% of them on Australia have Toxoplasmosis, although they are still edible if cooked thoroughly. Even if cooked, if the cat has sarcocystis, which developed cysts in the muscles, I don't think you would wanna eat cats that are "cream filled" though some people do eat them.
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  63. Well the cat man does try to revert them feral cats back into "house cats"
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  64. Do research please! I find the research and the controversy very interesting.
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  65. This isn't natural at ALL. Cats are screwing up the entire ecosystem that will reck havoc and cause Apex predators to go extinct due to the mass disappearance of their prey. This was the humans fault, so it's our job to fix it. If we don't the entirety of Australia could become a wasteland due to essential pollinators being unable to pollinate because they simply don't exsist. Without pollinators there isn't any plants, thus famine sets in which is basically doom for the entire food chain. Australia is a specific continent because it's been cutt off from any other continent besides Antarctica for over 100 million years. From the way you wrote it, it appears you've never heard of an invasive species.
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  66. In fact, there is! It's about 10$ per cat scalp. Which is kinda gross but at least it encourages the public to take action.
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  67.  @onlyincompetentsbelieveing9460  that literally is less effective then shooting them.
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  68. Is there any tracking process needed or trapping? Just morbid curiosity
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  69. Actually they have invasive foxes that can take care of em no need to add more invasive a lol
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  70.  @mattressmccabe1686  didn't think of that, shows ya how American I am XD
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  71. Clearly someone here didn't do research :I there is one upside for the cat lovers, feral kittens can be tamed and rehomed, adult ferals can take months to tame, or be untamable at all. The adult ferals and reckless cat owners that are the problem.
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  72. I think the rabbits where a bad influence on the cats, because the cats now breed like rabbits Xd
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  73. All animals have a darker side to em. It's just a shock to some people that are so used to seeing cute little cats with big goo goo eyes. Same with dogs. Feral dogs are terrifying even to me- a dog lover.
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  74. Nah y'all tamed strays these are the wild ones that are almost impossible to tame, or not even.
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  75. If we did that the entire ecosystem on every continent is screwed. We didn't even realize species could go extinct till 200 years ago. 200 years. Millions of extinctions caused by humans since 2 million years ago when humans first evolved. That's a lot of damage. Yes we can't undo it all but we can try to fix our mistakes.
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  76.  @thehauntedstream7206  it is because less cats means less genetic diversity. Plus less cats mean less hosts for diseases, parasites ect. Plus there are now rules for cat owners so there's less pets running around breeding.
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  77.  @thehauntedstream7206  it's better than nothing at least
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  78. They have rules for pets there! So for cars they require you too keep your cat on your property. You must take your cat inside during the night when they hunt the most. You must have a collar on it when outside. Now there are the cases of cats escaping which is a major concern. But at least Australia is trying to prevent pet deaths. I hope that answered your question!
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  79. Those "ferals" you are talking about are actually strays. They aren't the same thing besides the fact they are the same species Felis catus but that doesn't mean because they are the same species means they are the same.
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  80. R/Cursed comments XD
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  81. I like that kind of thinking of repurposing the cats. It's like pigs, some people don't like pigs and we eat them. Yet, they are one of the world's most intelligent species. So it's honestly like why not cats? They aren't as smart as pigs, they are destructive and they can be used in many ways. I think it would be more beneficial to donate the meat to poor countries. Problem is though, is that the ferals can carry diseases. Though, it's possible to make cat leather or clothing. I guess popular belief can sometimes get in the way of a healthy benefit.
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  82. Their are actually native rodents there, before humans even came. The native species know how to deal with em. Plus If they get out of hand, humans have had decades of experience with rodent infestations, not with cats.
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  83. You have the right idea though it's gonna be hard to reuse the ferals especially for consumption due to Sarcocystis. Sarcocystis makes you develope cysts in your muscles and it's spread through bodily fluids. It's actually a major problem in the sheep industry there right now. Though I see your point
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  84. There are invasive foxes and rabbits too!
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  85. Dude the cat has 8 lives left now, hope you have more ammo! Lol
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  86. It's hard to do anything with the meat due to toxoplasmosis; it causes lower reproductive success and it can develop cysts in your muscles. Unfortunately toxoplasmosis is a major problem in the sheep industry due to feral cats. I appreciate your curiosity, and I hope that answered you're question :)
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  87. I partially disagree with the culls for one reason: if you remove any predator, invasive or not it's going to impact the number of prey species around.
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  88.  @robertotalkeena9027  Australia is notorious for releasing non native animals to get rid of other invasive animals. Kinda funny when you look back at it. Interestingly, most conservation efforts globally don't think about the butterfly effect when they remove a invasive species. I like to think of it like sticking an arrow in a food chain. If you remove it without repercussion, it's gonna make a nasty wound.
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  89.  @robertotalkeena9027  well... Yes but actually yes
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  90.  @robertotalkeena9027  me too, got some major anxiety from arguing with rando's till 2AM. It's nice to have a civil talk on the internet
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  91. Feral cats are not the same as strays. Ferals avoid humans and can take months to tame, or be untamable. Strays had an experience with humans at one point, and where abandoned. They can be easily tamed unlike ferals.
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  92. Hopefully not as this has more planning
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  93. What we should do for Christmas to all them cat lovers that hate conservation efforts ; send them cane toads in candy cane packages lol
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  94. Ayyyyy a fellow Asian carp hater! I'm from further north in Wisconsin, next to the fox river. I dread for the time if the Asian carp get into lake Michigan and into our aquatic ecosystems. Wisconsin's fishing industry is worth like 3 billion. Though, it makes me wonder if they will make the cat hunts a tourist attraction like with what they do with feral hogs in Texas.
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  95. Not exactly, this is just a mini documentary. It's 100% legit, although I do think they where a bit gruesome in the format of the video.
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  96. It's kinda hard to eat them due to Sarcocystis being so common in the cats there. Now if you have a weak stomach or are currently eating, I don't advise you to read more: Basically, Sarcocystis develops cysts in the muscles. Thanks to feral cats, the sheep industry struggles with that problem every year. Sheep that people eat. Yes it is technically still edible as long as it's cooked throughly. But I personally don't want "cat meat with a cream cheese surprise".
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  97. Thank you for keeping your mind open to the situation as it needs to be done for multiple reasons.
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  98. Some people struggle with accents, or deaf people
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  99. I highly suggest you go and watch "Turnah81" he makes amazing and hilarious gadgets for exactly that problem.
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  100. I think I heard somewhere that they sometimes donate the meat to raptor conservation projects. But I dunno I haven't really looked it up myself so just know it maybe fake. But I wish it's true!
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  101. There are government sources for online available to the public showing the different humane ways they take down the cats. There was is more then one way luckily!
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  102. Please do research between a stray and feral cat ;) completely different things.
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  103.  @reygomez8917  oh ok.... :I used to seeing a load of butthurt people here so sorry if I misunderstood anything
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  104. Nah they got dingos and they do actually have feral dogs, just not as many.
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  105. It's gonna be impossible to do with millions of kilometers of rough terrain. Thus is why they are air dropping poisoned kangaroo meat (which is kinda a controversial topic) plus, the main reason why the cats are a problem is that cats kill for sport. Instinct really. Cats are opportunits by nature, and will kill anything even if their bellies are full. They will kill as long as they are physically able to. Heck, I once saw a video of a cat with a neurological disorder and it still tried to chase down a squirrel as it flopped around.
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  106. There is a literal wall between ferals and domestic cats. Ferals have never interacted with humans, making them 100% wild. Strays have had contact with humans and are tameable. Ferals are almost impossible to tame.
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  107.  @marwenlynn414  usually you don't wanna eat the cats for one reason. Please, don't continue reading if you have a weak stomach or are eating. Basically, there is an ongoing disease going around in the cats called Sarcocystis. Sarcocystis, develops cysts in your muscles. This problem has been trouble for the sheep industry, and it causes them roughly $2 million a year thanks to it. Of those sheep, people eat. I don't think very many people would enjoy eating some nice roasted cat or lamb with a "cream cheese surprise" inside. Though it is still ok to eat it as long as the meat is throughly cooked.
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  108. Australia along with a few other countries made it illegal to use cats as products for fur in 2007. I think the cat man most likely got a permit to do all that stuff.
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  109. Haha essentially that's cat calling!
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  110. I suggest some therapy for anger issues
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  111. There is a YouTuber that had the same problem, Turnah81 is their name. They are hilarious and I highly recommend you check them out for your cat problem ;)
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  112.  @locked-down4wders671  pretty sure you are gonna need a license and a permit
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  113. Give the people killing hogs a pat on the back, hogs are pretty tough to kill! Luckily for where I am in the u.s. we don't have hog problems, we have whitetail deer and Asian carp trying to get into the great lakes for our problems.
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  114. I did some research and apparently when cats realize their population gets low they start breeding even more from instinct. I propose to prevent this is to try and sterilize as many cats as possible, then kill as many as we can. This way any cats we miss won't be able to make the next generation. I fully support the hunting, it's just that I dissagree with killing right away before sterilizing, it'll just make it worse.
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  115. Oddly, I feel the same way. When I see a cat that is an indoor cat i think "such a cute little boy!" But when it comes to conservation situations like this I become a mama bear, willing to rip any invasive species heads off without a moment's notice.
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  116. Listen here you little crap (I'm joking haha)
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  117. Gooood puppy lol. Please be careful because cats can carry transmittable diseases but other wise that is one good doggo. Give em some head pats for me please
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  118.  @Valleyfornia  found a YouTuber with the same problem, and he found hilarious ways to deter cats- highly recommend Turnah81
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  119. Oh boyyyy all heck would be let lose
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  120. I completely agree, and this stuck up person is harassing me about sterilization, yes we need to sterilize because when the cat population becomes low the cats have a greater urge to breed. I propose we try to sterilize all the cats first, then go and "love them" with hunting equipment. They argued you shouldn't kill even with sterilization, it won't stop the cats from killing, something needs to be done about the situation NOW, we can't wait for them to die from natural causes.
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  121. Pretty much unfortunately xd
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  122. Desexing em won't work as it's near impossible to kill em all. Plus keeping them alive won't stop them from killing and from diseases that spread. Good example of this is the Toxoplasmosis and Sarcocystis problem with sheep- that people eat. Now there's the counter argument with "we can't shoot them all" which is true, thus is why they are gonna air drop poisons. The poisons aren't exactly humane but studies have proven that they likely won't affect the native species which is crucial. But the ethics on the other hand... It's a rats nest of a situation. You pull on one string thinking it's one of the ends to only end up discovering more knots and kinks in the string. There's no guaranteed solution unfortunately.
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  123.  @singledad6921  lol
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  124. Completely agree. There is an estimated 60 million homeless cats in America alone!
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  125.  @jackt6112  I actually don't. I know all about the things you said because I'm into conservation, and my state too actually heavily depends on the fishing industry, but with Asian carp, zebra muscles, and gobies messing it up. I'm from Wisconsin, and I am quite interested in the topic. I agree, I think it is not completely inevitable to get rid of all the cats, but to benefit from it to make it a sport. If we tested the cat meat for diseases, they could donate it to ones in need. May as well exploit a the situation instead of letting it sit and rot away.
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  126. What's wrong with you not possibly doing research? Or are you mad at the cat taxidermy dude?
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  127.  @aniracx4276  to me, it depends on the situation. I do agree, some of the taxidermy he does is kinda screwed up, but it tells you how many there are, to think of the feral numbers. Yea, it's creepy but he isn't letting them go to waste. Usually, I prefer taxidermy that aims at education and conservation. Some parts of the taxidermy are educational, but that curiosity thing is creepy...
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  128.  @NikkieRoxxx  even if they miss, they can track the blood trail and it's tracks to end it. It's just that sterilization won't stop the cats from killing either.
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  129. Yea, you can actually get paid if you bring the dead cat in.
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  130. I think In a government document they has a paragraph on this. I don't know how to link things by phone, but it should be easy to find if you want more info.
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  131. Unfortunately, there's a lot of catnip farms in Australia, so the cats have built a resistance to the smell and temptations of "getting high"
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  132. Feral cats wouldn't be as big of a problem if 1. Cats didn't kill for sport 2. The native species had natural defences against them
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  133.  @MultiMadgeek  "cat Slayer" has entered the chat lol
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  134.  @user-jd9kf8ow2q  Thanks! I got 10+ hours of research done on the subject for school.
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  135. It makes me wonder if warrior cats was in real life, how often they would have to move for prey. I mean- 1-3 critters a night per cat per warrior... Holy moly warrior cats are spawnkilling XD
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  136. You do realize that they are releasing quolls to help when an area is culled of cats right? They are also already culling those animals too so it'll hopefully even out
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  137. Random fact: that opossum was a brush tailed opossum. Nobody probably cares but I just wanted that to get out there.
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  138. Nah these guys are heros. Reason for this if you saw in the video, feral cats kill millions of native wildlife a year. I think there was a video somewhere were it said 306million ferals in Australia, 2-3 animals per cat a night, and even then sometimes cats hunt for sport. If you want more info, there are Australian government documents on this and the planning behind it. I find it very interesting!
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  139. Yes there is. It's 10-20$ per scalp. Reason why I know this is because I'm doing a school project about the situation. Mainly the ecology of Australia, biology of cats, and the government's way of dealing with the situation.
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  140. Look at your states hunting/trapping laws, or go to r/legal help. I did the same thing to see if I could legally trap invasive house sparrows without a license. Turns out you can trap a crap load of things without a license in Wisconsin lol. Cats would technically be under the invasive category in certain situations. But I'd still look at your states laws to keep out of trouble.
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  141.  @jgarnhum8366  thanks for understanding! :)
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  142. Pfft well said...... Unfortunately....
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  143. Why? Do research before hating please. That's why this video even exists. I hope you watched the whole video instead of just commenting on the video right away...
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  144.  @BerryCrush19  basically cats are HORRIBLE to any environment they aren't native to, which is parts of Africa. Anywhere else they are terrible
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  145. They do actually poison em, and in many different methods too.
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  146. Im not sure about the legality of trapping in the areas you are talking about, but live traps might be allowed.
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  147. Pffttt haha you didn't learn anything did you?
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  148. Thank you for keeping an open mind to the situation unlike many closed minded cat lovers. I too love animals but when it comes to conservation I am willing to go full on doom guy on invasive species lol
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  149. Pfffttt sorry I kinda laughed it this, rude of me I know. But the government approved of this. There are multiple Australian government sources about this online! It's really interesting and I highly recommend research on this!
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  150. You literally are letting billions of lives be killed for fun by cats. The native species have no defenses against the invasives. Say good bye to animals that have been around for millions of years! Say good bye to hunting industries! Pffttt who needs conservation anyways? The next generation probably won't care about these animals! Cats kill for sport just like humans. But unlike humans nowadays they don't know when to stop killing. It's an estimated 2-3 critters a night per cat, including domestic ones. Now multiply that by millions. Now, if you even have enough brain cells to process math, then you come to billions of lives lost every year. You probably weren't thinking of the big picture.
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  151. It's about 10$ per cat scalp, you sure you wanna switch?
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  152. Don't forget Sarcocystis! (Please don't search it up if you are eating or are weak in the stomach)
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  153. Thanks for being responsible of the well-being of the environment and your cat! People don't realize really the only good thing besides a whole list of cons is that the outdoors is good for stimulation. That stimulation is easy to provide inside.
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  154. No, it isn't. I myself am not from Australia so I don't exactly know the laws for firearms but I'm pretty sure you are gonna need a license and permits for certain areas. I do know that the public does have access to poisons for cats, but you need to set up an appointment with your local department to get it.
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  155. @S.G I like you for doing research
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  156. Question for ya because I don't live in Australia; so what do you think they can do to improve the efficiency of the reduction of the numbers? I've done a little digging and when cats become stressed from lower numbers they start breeding more. Is this true? If so, why don't they sterilize as many cats as possible, then cull them? Any of the missed cats then won't be able to continue the next generation. Don't get me wrong, I love the work these brave men and woman are doing, but I'm just not sure people are thinking about the process of cats reproduction. I could be wrong, but as you claim to be an expert in conservation I wanted to see how you thought of the process. I too l, love conservation. I would gladly help these people. Now that this is the internet, I'm unsure if you are actually a conservationist. I guess I'm curious
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  157. There are Australian government sources online for the public. But... I dunno how to link things by mobile :/
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  158. Wrong on killing the untamable feral cats? (Kitten ferals can be tamed) the cats that kill millions a year, and are attracted to burns on burn victims? Not sure what side your on bud. I do say some of the taxidermy cat stuff if creepy
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  159.  @midnightstories6619  then what solution do you suggest then? Apparently shooting won't work, nor will TNR for multiple reasons. Nor will poisoning work if you look at the ethics of it. Re-domesticating them won't work.
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  160. Yesh. That's horrible. Cats are one of the worst invasive species in the world. If the cat was a raccoon than no one would bat an eye
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  161. There is a feral dog situation going on in Australia though I honestly don't know squat about it. No I'm not talking about dingos
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  162.  @a.l.zacharia2834  I know it's costly, maybe I was wrong due to me doing research before hand on if ferals are tameable. I never really thought of the cost, but I don't even know how expensive it is. So I will admit you are in the right. I am not sure if they do save the kittens in Australia, I know they do in other countries. Should do some research on that...
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  163.  @a.l.zacharia2834  did some quick research, and so far you are right. I will delete my comment to clarify this. Reason why is from my research so far non of the sources say anything about the kittens, and it was wrong of me to assume such things. Thanks for pointing it out!
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  164. FINALLY a sensible cat lover! Credit to you for allowing yourself to accept difficult situations that must be done for the greater good.
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  165.  @fuckfuckinshit  oh don't worry, the feral kittens can be tamed and rehomed, it's the adult feral cats and domestic cats that are the problem.
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  166. Good idea, but it won't stop them from killing.
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  167. Cats are technically the murders. They kill millions a year, about 2-3 critters a night, and they don't eat everything they kill. Essentially in gamer language it means "Kos" killing for sport.
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  168.  @Jack-hr2pm  Me?(the one who has done research) or the other person?
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  169. Thank you for trying to keep your mind open about the situation unlike many uneducated people here...
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  170.  @outogetyougotyou5250  I'm not sure if you completely understood what I said,or if your trying to make a counter argument
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  171. Democats you mean? Haha
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  172. Thank you for understanding! It takes a load of guts to go against feelings and accept true fact. Thank you! :)
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  173. I partially agree with this, here is why: Yes you are absolutely correct about removing large populations at once because it can shock the environment. But there is a way to effectively kill then off without any shock. With smaller cat colonies, it won't do as much damage to kill them off, it's the larger colonies that are the real problem. As you know we can't just kill them all off. Instead for the larger concentrations of them I propose to do a TNR (trap, nueter, release) along with vaccinations to prevent infections (like toxoplasmosis which can be found in sheep that people eat) so after time of preventing the next generation along with genetic diversity due to smaller colonies becoming nonexistent the cats will slowly die off naturally. That way it's an absolute win!
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  174. "You violated the law! Pay the court a fine or serve your sentence, your stolen goods are now forfeit." *Resists arrest "Then pay with your blood!" *Pulls out sword and starts swinging it
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  175. THANK YOU for being such a responsible cat owner!
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  176. Thank you for letting your mind open to accept the fact that this needs to be done. Load of close minded selfish cat worshippers here. We need more people like you
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  177. Research has shown cats prefer other and animals instead of rats and mice.
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  178. I Feel the same way but with any invasive species- cats, dogs anything as long as it's invasive and not endangered (humans aren't included)
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  179.  Jevonte Hodge  cat hating gang OUGH! Haha but I still like all mammals as long as it's native to said area
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  180. The feral cats have now become "house cats"
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  181. Ah, I love the research done and care perfectly woven into this comment. I did a little digging about rodent trapping and poisoning in the "old days" and unfortunately there isn't too much about it. Let's just say cats are too evolutionary successful, and had evolved in extremely bio diverse habitats with loads of animals running around. I found this broadcast and was listening to it last night, and big cats do the same. You don't know when you're next meal will be, and everything moving at once makes their instincts go crazy. Same situation with smaller cats. It's best to be an opportunist, as you said about cats coexisting with humans during the first agriculture.
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  182.  @jaugustine5004  those "words" in my head is scientific evidence. Also I'm catholic, using religion as "evidence or proof" really doesn't bother me as long as it's logical. Plus, humans abused our free will. Yes we made some really cool stuff with it but we hurt others in the process. Thus is why conservation exsists. Cats wouldn't be in Australia causing innocent native species extinctions if it wasn't for humans. We right our wrongdoings. It isn't natural, that's why we try to restore natural order as "God had created it"
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  183.  @jaugustine5004  I have no idea what you are even trying to say, but just know that the culls are for the greater good
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  184. I don't exactly know how common sarcocystis is in the feral cat population in Australia, but I was curious, do you still eat the cats that have it? I honestly don't know much about people eating em.
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  185. As to why are you calling them that? They are conservationists just doing there part. It isn't the feral cats fault, they are just evolutionary too successfull, and are killing native species that haven't yet evolved to defend an animal from another continent. It's necessary. Please look at the big picture, and the numbers from the impact of feral cats. It's honestly horrifying.
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  186. I mean- at least humans try to fix their mistakes most of the time unlike cats
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  187. Sorry, but adult feral cats(ferals are not the same as strays) cannot be tamed (kittens can) but even if we do trap em they can transmit disease to humans and other animals. Plus where are they going to have space to put em all? I will say, that's a fine idea but problems will still come thru
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  188.  @Sure-wj1vf  where would they even release them? Shelters wouldn't work due to feral cats taking months to take, and even then some of them are untamable
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  189.  @Sure-wj1vf  okay?? There are other ways of taking care of them that they use besides shooting
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  190. At least humans try to fix their screwups nowadays unlike cats.
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  191. Well... He did find an efficient way of turning feral cats into "house cats"
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  192. I mean there probably won't be a follow up but I remember when I was doing research about this topic they where gonna air drop poisons this year ( or was it last year?) I don't remember. Probably should go look up to see if there's any recent news articles on it
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  193. Yea
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  194.  @tonybony5805  ngl I dunno what they do for the cane toads
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  195. https://youtu.be/J7icSXSfmWI I did a short video covering things this video may have missed, hopefully it will change your mind, and it'll stop people from threatening second degree murder. Which in that case, people who threaten that are mentally disabled, and need serious help.
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  196. I do like your kind of mindset of trying to help and find different solutions to the situation. The problem is though, is that it won't stop them from killing. Yes, the tnr works like a dream in places. But in this situation there is millions of cats. Irresponsible cat owners may not sterilize their cat and let it out to breed like the European rabbits that once covered Australia (pun intended) yes, it's effective and humane. Yes, it keeps the cat inside it territory so other cats wont move in once it's killed. But, the cost? The millions of feral cats? The amount the cats will continue to kill? How long and effecient will this be? Those questions, I simply do not know the answer too. People don't like killing because they don't like it. Poisoning, people don't like because it painfully kills the animal. TNR, keeps the animal alive, but it won't stop it from killing, and spreading it's diseases that are transmittable to humans, livestock. Putting the cats in shelters is too expensive, and feral cats are almost impossible to tame.
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  197.  @nicoinformatics  the government plans to airbomb poisoned sausages, which I think is completely stupid. 1. poisoning means a slow painful death 2. It could affect non targeted species. I could see Tnr working in areas that have a larger population of them, and with smaller populations hunting them could work, with frequent monitoring. We could also, make certain areas with food plots with said sterilization. The cats will stick near the food plot because it's free food, why not! Already in areas in Australia they have fenced off areas from the cats. So once gathering a colony of feral cats, close them in. Once closing them in we do whatever the community decides to do with said trapped cats. If we wait a few years for said trapped cats to die from natural causes, or hunt them. We could then use the cleared area to reintroduce native species in a feral free area. This way, either solution could work But like any proposed solution it could be incredibly expensive. The government has already used $3-ish million to the cause in "ineffective ways". Plus, many new sources are starting to doubt how scientific the process they are using. Now I'm not sure how expensive setting up those special areas that are already established cost overall, but if it's low enough that kind of strategy could work as long as people have the dedication and the money.
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