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  1. You know that laughing at idiots is a time honoured tradition?
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  2. And how many debates has Eric actually participated in do you think? I’ll give you a hint, it’s less than one. I watched his response video and predictably he didn’t debunk anything, he just talked garbage as usual.
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  3. And yet here you are getting uptight because someone has an opinion that you don’t like.
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  4.  @ConspiracyBytes  You realise you're describing flat earthers to a tee?
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  5. Keep trying, one day you'll write a coherent sentence.
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  6. It’s not uncommon for earth’s curvature to be removed from equations if it needlessly over complicates things. That’s hardly proof of earth being flat. You would find many military documents that take Earth’s curvature into account through necessity - did Dean Odle’s video mention that? I highly doubt it.
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  7. So basically you've watched some conspiracy videos on Youtube which you believed without question and never bothered to look into the science behind their claims. Does that about sum it up?
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  8. No one cares about Eric’s nonsense video.
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  9.  @iqnatedog3928  that’s right, those Sudos have no idea they’re talking about.
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  10. Why can’t you come up with an original question at least? What is it with you morons and your obsession with Hubble or putting a camera on the moon? As if it would make the slightest bit of difference, you’d just say it was fake anyway. There are already satellites taking pictures of Earth and apparently they’re not good enough so I’m not sure why a camera on the moon would be more valid. As if any space agency is going to go to all that effort just to prove to a bunch of conspiracy idiots what’s been established fact for over 2000 years! Fact is, you don’t need photos and you don’t need NASA. If you really wanted to know how we know Earth is a globe then you would’ve found the answers yourself.
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  11. No measurements? Practically every square inch of earth’s surface has been measured and those measurements only conform to a spherical shape. Until you idiots manage to come up with something resembling a working map then sorry but earth is a sphere and flat earthers will continue to be the dumbest people on the planet.
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  12.  @vohannes  yes you weigh slightly less at the equator. This has been proven many times. Call it bullshit as much as you like, you’re just making yourself look more and more foolish.
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  13. If I told you that petrol isn't real and the oil industry is a scam to hide that fact that cars actually run on unicorn farts, would you celebrate that as different point of view that warrants serious discussion? It's all good and well and write essays on why we should take flat earthers seriously but their ideas are nonsense and trivially easy to debunk.
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  14.  @baubljos103  nonsense is nonsense, that’s the point. You can label what I said with whatever fallacy you want, at the end of the day until flat earthers provide even a scrap of evidence to support their idiotic ideas- which they are patently unable to do - then there is no good reason to take them seriously.
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  15. Pre-millennial thinking hey? Hahaha. I’ve seen some stupid comments and that’s definitely up there with the best of them.
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  16. No they just believe a whole lot of other nonsense. The specifics aren’t that important though are they? The key word here is “nonsense”.
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  17. One of the trade marks of intelligence is having the humility to realise how little you know. A trademark of stupidity on the other hand is thinking you know better than everyone else. Which category do you think you fit in?
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  18. All flat earthers are wankers. An upwards accelerating disk would at least explain why objects accelerate towards the ground. Does density and buoyancy explain this? No, no it does not. Whether you’re with the flat earth society or whether you’re a “real” flat earther, to any one with half a brain you’re all clowns that no one should take seriously.
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  19. Or you could save your brain cells and watch funny cat videos. At least they’d be real, unlike any of the unmitigated crap that comes out of that idiot.
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  20.  @RobH.  it’s like comparing two turds and claiming one smells better than the other.
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  21.  @nicholashpitts  <— obvious troll
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  22. What does it matter? It’s all nonsense.
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  23. Chad Judd have you considered the possibility that you might be intellectually challenged?
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  24. The Saros cycle can predict the day of an eclipse. It can’t predict the exact time or, in the case of a full solar eclipse, what the path of totality will be. That can only be calculated with a knowledge of heliocentric orbital mechanics. The Earth’s circular shadow during a lunar eclipse also tells us that Earth is a sphere, not to mention that flat earthers still can’t explain how a lunar eclipse occurs, something that is trivially easy to explain by the heliocentric model.
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  25. Eric Dubay doesn't talk to anyone. He makes childish videos full of lies and deletes comments from anyone that holds him to account. Have you ever seen Eric in a debate outside of his own echo chamber? No, neither have I.
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  26.  @dc95811  Eric tells a lot of lies and half truths. It doesn’t take 159 IQ points to figure that out.
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  27. Look up umbra vs penumbra
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  28. Yes we all know Eric made a video. No one cares.
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  29.  @awakenedintofreedom  And what if any input did you have in the planning of that project?
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  30. Aww diddums, don’t you worry about those nasty Facebook people. Go and have a glass of warm milk and everything will be ok.
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  31.  @RealmsandRealms  yet for all your cut and paste waffle, not one single flat earther has been able to produce a simple two dimensional map that has accurate measurements which reflect known distances. All the data is verifiable and publicly available and yet this seems like an insurmountable problem for all the poor flat earthers. Why is that do you think?
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  32. The bit about you being wrong is right on the money though.
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  33. Or don’t. I’d recommend watching funny cat videos for something more intellectually stimulating.
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  34. You're right it doesn't make a lot of difference to our daily lives what shape our planet is but to say "no 1 knows" isn't right and that's the point - we do know. The beauty of science is we can use it to tell us truths about the natural world that our senses alone can't. I think the reason a lot of people get up flat earthers isn't so much because they think Earth is flat, it's because they are willingly attempting to take a massive dump on centuries of scientific progress whilst providing no actual alternative theories that make any sense.
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  35.  @JLar-bb5hl  I think you need to do some research into why you’re such an idiot.
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  36. It probably had something to do with all the evidence clearly indicating beyond any doubt that Earth was a globe and the complete absence of evidence that showed it to be a giant space pancake.
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  37.  @tbrown3356 if you want to navigate over long distances then yes, spherical coordinates are what are needed and is what’s used on a daily basis. As for the known distances on earth conforming to a sphere, I don’t need to prove it, its proven by millions of people travelling around the planet every day who can reliably verify that those measurements are correct. You flat earthers are always demanding proof aren’t you? But none of you seem to be able to prove your silly little space pizza fantasy is actually true. Funny that isn’t it? Like I said, when one of you absolute tools can demonstrate with verifiable data that known distances between two locations on earth can all work on a flat plane then maybe you’ll have a leg to stand on. But I think we all know that’s never going to happen.
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  38.  @tbrown3356  yeah nah that’s not what I’m saying. There is no such thing as a working flat earth map. And if you’re going to claim that there is then you should be able to link to one. But we all know you won’t because it doesn’t exist! What I predict you will do is twist my words around, avoid admitting that you know I’m right and act like you’re winning an argument even though you are clearly floundering.
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  39.  @tbrown3356  just as I predicted ...
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  40.  @tbrown3356  yawn
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  41.  @earth.is.a.plane.  It's the truthfulness in the message that I'm more concerned with. Delivering it in a smug, monotone drawl just makes it worse.
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  42. I’d say it’s quite an apt analogy actually. It also describes the contents of a flat earther’s head.
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  43. Or maybe, you know .... you’re an idiot?
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  44. There is little point arguing with these people. Most of the time I honestly don’t think they even believe the shite they come out with, especially flat earthers - it’s just an exercise in taking a contrary position and arguing for it no matter what. It’s more of less just a sport with the end goal of pissing off the other person.
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  45. I very much doubt that the majority of people claiming to be flat earthers actually believe the earth is flat. My guess is it’s largely a troll movement. Also, those stats you bring up refer to one survey. I’d be interested to know how it was conducted (ie. how many responded, how the questions were posed, how widespread the respondents were geographically, etc.). Statistics can be misleading. For example if 99% of respondents were 99% sure that Earth was a globe, technically those 99% had some degree of doubt. See what I mean? I refuse to believe there are than many idiots in the world.
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  46. Maybe because he’s an idiot? Why would anyone waste their time debating a moronic subject with an imbecile?
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  47. So if I told you cars didn’t run on petrol, they are actually powered by microscopic monkeys and the whole petrol thing is a lie perpetrated by the fossil fuel industry, you don’t think that should be mocked but rebutted seriously?
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  48.  @thewolfman751  “if it disagrees with experiment it’s wrong” - exactly, which is why geocentricism was abandoned 500 years ago.
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  49. Chad Judd the fact that you think the sun should rise in the West for people in the East is laughable. Calling that a “Chad Judd original” ... there are no words. I can only hope, for your sake, that this is an attempt to be satirical on your part.
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  50.  @ronoli9447  he’s right though, your questions are stupid and have been answered thousands of times so why ask them?
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  51.  @ronoli9447  "So, why do they cobble all the parts into a c.g.i. reepresentation ?" I've already answered that. "in addition to your long winded explanation that black is actually white" If that's what you call "long winded" then that says a lot about your attention span. "you are becoming overheated, shrill and rude" Well, don't be a f**kwit and I won't be rude. Simple.
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  52. You lost me at “why”.
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  53. Because it's stupid and laughing at stupid people is fun.
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  54. So zero evidence to support your waffle then ... got it
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  55. It doesn’t qualify as a theory, at best it’s a failed hypothesis. “Theory for the thinking man” lol - keep telling yourself that.
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  56.  @theflatouttruth6499  so in other words you’re unable to answer. Gotcha.
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  57.  @luckyhaskins69  yeah, people that offer ludicrous amounts of money to prove Earth is a globe and then refuse to pay up when people meet their challenges isn’t exactly new. It’s a time honoured traditions still being practiced by flat earthers today.
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  58.  @luckyhaskins69  Waving away the absence of a model that demonstrates Earth is "demonstrably flat and motionless", as you put it, and just saying it's irrelevant doesn't mean that it is. I think you just want to play word games for the sake of arguing. Obviously you've run out of things to do in your retirement.
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  59.  @luckyhaskins69  "I could build a small scale model to prove my theory that water ,here on this earth,will flow downhill until it is contained" But we're not talking about a small scale object are we so what you're saying is irrelevant. "the gullible masses are easily persuaded into saying "but we have a working model"...which is actually incorrect" It is a working model. Your opinion on that is irrelevant to the fact that it quite literally works. "you have a theoretical model,perhaps a reverse engineered mathmatical model, but a physical, working model of the sphere earth can not be built" Well of course you can't build a planet. That's not an argument. Science aims to understand the natural world through observation and collecting data to fit a hypothesis, it is not predicated on needing to recreate the thing being studied before it can be said to be truly understood. The heliocentric globe model correlates observable reality with our understanding of our position within our solar system and it's a working model that correlates precisely with the World Geodetic System which has many practical daily uses. Unless you can demonstrate that this isn't the case (which you can't) then anything you have to say is just meaningless waffle.
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  60. It may not be what most flat earthers believe but it’s equally as stupid as anything else they go on about.
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  61. Does Eric actually debate anyone? Apart from his ridiculous bs-filled videos, all I’ve ever heard him do is whine about other flat earthers taking his lime light. What an absolute cretin!
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  62. Flat earthers are patted on the head and labelled as stupid, as you put it, because it’s trivially easy to debunk for someone with even a moderate level of intelligence. There is quite a long list of easily verifiable observations that clearly indicate that earth is not a giant snow globe. The evidence, when it’s looked at honestly, overwhelmingly indicates that earth is a tilted sphere orbiting the sun.
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  63. “I don’t ignore science” ... and then goes on to spout of a load of unscientific horse shit. Spoken like a true flat earther.
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  64. The southern celestial pole outright debunks flat earth and simultaneously proves that we live on a globe. Are you an imbecile or do you just like pretending to be one?
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  65. New data? There is no data that supports flat earth, only attention-seeking twits making false claims that certain - let's say "educationally-challenged" - people swallow hook line and sinker because they've been sucked in to a ridiculous internet cult that has convinced them they are special if they reject science. There is nothing to look in to, nothing to research - unless you really enjoy wasting time and making yourself look silly.
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  66. Kind of ironic that you “vastly missed the point” of this video
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  67.  @tatonemio6388  I don’t know why I bothered to tell you the truth. I was curious to know if he actually “debunked” anything.
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  68. Yep, I’m not sure why that’s so difficult for some people to understand.
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  69.  @dc95811  if its a simple question of is it flat or not well, that’s easy. It’s not. Get over it.
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  70. Or maybe you’re just woefully dumb and don’t have any original thoughts beyond repeating nonsense flat earth mantras? Just a thought.
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  71. Everyone gets hung up on the fact that she said flat earthers believe earth is accelerating upward - it’s actually not that important to the main message being relayed here.
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  72.  @gilee4481  apart from that one thing, is there really that much difference between what the flat earth society preaches compared to what “real” flat earthers believe? I don’t think there is. Just a variation on the same idiotic theme! But regardless of that, the specifics of flat earth beliefs are superfluous to the main points Sabine raises in this video.
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  73. Are these the same Globebusters that famously proved earth was a globe in that Netflix documentary?
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  74.  @jdw616  the sun's rays spread out in all directions. In the images you've linked the sun's rays are shown to be parallel for the sake of simplicity because for all intents and purposes they are as the sun is much larger than Earth. But because we're talking about the moon's shadow, the interplay of these angles has the effect of producing umbral and penumbral shadows.
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  75.  @flatoutconspiracy6687  and predictably when someone asks a flat earther to substantiate their waffle, the lame excuses start rolling in. Gee, what a surprise!
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  76.  @awakenedintofreedom  I’m going to hazard a guess that you’ve never overseen a large engineering project where Earth’s curvature was taken into account?
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  77.  @MrSirhcsellor  P-brane is an expert in saying lots of stuff without really saying anything. It’s almost admirable just how much nonsense he can cram into one video. And why would anyone take seriously a guy that calls himself p-brane?
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  78.  @opxchaos5757  watch any Eric Dubay video and just ask yourself the question - is he supporting any of his statements with actual evidence or is he just making claims? His 200 “proofs” is a good place to start.
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  79. Wow you seem like a real thinker ...
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  80. I think you would find that the number of genuine flat earth believers is actually quite small. The vast majority of them are just attention seeking trolls who get their kicks out of being annoying.
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  81.  @tbrown3356  I don't see any debunking from you, all I see is endless word salads and refusal to admit that you're wrong - even though you clearly are. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if all known distances on Earth only conform to a sphere then Earth ... is a sphere. It's that simple. You can dance around it as much as you like, you're not going to change that simple logical fact that proves you and every other flat earther wrong. The sad thing is that while you might get some gratification by sitting on your arse typing out your word salads and feeling like you're winning an argument, at the end of the day Earth is still a globe and you are just wasting your time on meaningless drivel that in years to come will be forgotten about. Is that really how you want to spend your time?
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  82.  @tbrown3356  Still dancing around I see. You're not fooling anyone with your inability to substantiate any of your waffle.
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  83.  @tatonemio6388  thankfully flat earthers are extremely rare here in Australia. Given that all you need to do to debunk it is look up at night, that’s not too surprising. But T “Mitchell” Brown here is no different from any other - as soon as you corner them into explaining how anything works on their fantasy pizza world they start dancing about like a clown at the circus.
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  84. At least it actually explains the downward force that we experience. As flawed as it is, it makes more sense than density and buoyancy being responsible for it which is just plain dumb.
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  85. Zachary Hill and? You asked why density and buoyancy is a dumb explanation.
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  86.  @Lordani66  have a look at some of Sabine’s other videos and ask yourself if she’s really going to stoop to doing a reaction video to that loser’s moronic nonsense.
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  87.  @Lordani66  so one debate that never happened? Like I said, who has Eric debated? No one. And I know from personal experience that if you do challenge Eric he just blocks you from his channel. Look at the comments on any of his videos - do you not find it strange that this so called flat earth “king” only ever seems to have glowing reviews? Honestly, what an idiot! So much for debating! Chances are Eric doesn’t believe a single thing he says, he’s a con man who lacks any real intelligence but is smart enough to know there is an audience of paying customers who will swallow any old nonsense if it makes them feel special.
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  88.  @Lordani66  There have been too many people calling out to debate him to count and the record stands that Eric has responded to precisely ZERO of them. Sorry but your hero is a mental leprechaun.
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  89. So what do you believe - other than “they” are lying? Which model is the right one? Seems to me that flat earthers saying “don’t know but it’s just not what we’ve been told” is a cop out to hide the fact that you can’t back up any of your beliefs with actual scientific data.
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  90.  @tbrown3356  Why would I be angry when I’m right and you’re wrong? Navigation over long distances relies on spherical geometry. That’s just a fact. What I would love to see is a bunch of flat earthers loaded in to a boat and given the task of sailing around the world with the caveat that they couldn’t use any maps that are a globe projection (because clearly that would be based on a false premise) and they wouldn’t be allowed to use GPS - which shouldn’t be an issue because satellites don’t actually exist (lol). Of course we’ll never see that because the truth is, despite all of you demanding to see proof and experiments, none of you seem willing to actually do anything to substantiate your nonsense claims beyond posting links to dumb videos and expecting others to waste their time watching them. It’s pretty simple - come up with a working flat earth map or a model that adheres to observable reality and maybe you won’t be the laughing stock of the internet. I’ll wait ...
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  91.  @tbrown3356  by that you mean globe projections? Is there some part of that term that you don’t quite understand? No, navigation over long distances isn’t going to work if you don’t use global coordinates. Honestly, at this point you’re just arguing for the sake of it. There is no such thing as a working flat earth map, stop pretending that there is.
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  92.  @tbrown3356  You're very good at talking piles of crap I'll give that much
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  93. Nathan the evidence for Earth being a sphere orbiting the sun is abundant, so much so it’s not something that’s ever going to be seriously debated. This information is readily available to anyone who’s genuinely interested. But in my experience flat earthers aren’t actually interested in truth, they are mostly just attention seeking idiots who are best ignored. To think there are millions of people in the world today actively conspiring to keep Earth’s true shape hidden is just beyond stupid - and you expect flat earthers aren’t going to be ridiculed?
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  94. Yes it's kinda funny that someone who has made a career out of debunking something essentially has a symbiotic relationship with it and relies on it's existence to continue making videos. The irony is that by continuing to give these idiots attention, debunking videos just keep it going.
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  95.  @vohannes  in a vacuum chamber, yes - easily proven. So essentially, what I’m getting from you is regurgitation of flat earth-isms and a complete absence of original thought. I asked you to name these flaws in the “ball theory” which you claim exist - your inability to do that is noted.
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  96.  @jimygod  you don’t need to build a mile long swimming pool, you can just use common sense. Go to the beach and watch a boat sink below the horizon - there’s your evidence that water is curving. If that’s not enough, consider the fact that intercontinental navigation uses global geometry - and it works flawlessly - and so if 70% of Earth is water, then by extrapolation we can reliably conclude that it’s curved. Generally you would only do an experiment to prove something that isn’t blatantly obvious in the first place.
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  97.  @jimygod  Alright, well a ship is just one of many, many examples of how we know Earth is a globe. "All 4 corners will have a different level of water. This is something that cannot be disputed, if a heliocentric enthusiast and a Flat Earther work together on the project." But they would dispute it. The Earth's demonstrable sphericity is also something that cannot be logically disputed and yet here we are ... The thing with flat earthers is that no matter what evidence you throw at them they will find some way to dispute it, even if they have to make up their own laws of perspective and physics - which they do - or simply resort to lying - which they also do. Often. The simple fact is that if Earth was actually flat then this would be verifiable through simple observation of reality and measurements. The sun and moon would behave in a certain way. Stars would behave a certain way. Objects at a distance would appear a certain way. Distances between two points on Earth's surface would be a certain way. But when you do that, what you will find - beyond any shadow of a doubt - is that Earth is a sphere. I could list numerous ways that proves this but let's be realistic, you'd find some way to dispute it and I'd be wasting my time. So maybe let's just leave it at that.
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  98.  @MrSirhcsellor  I would add to that that a culture has developed of ignoring expertise in favour of opinion, not just with science but certainly science has suffered as a result. In a society where we want sound bites and quick information (the average tweet for instance is just 33 characters), long winded explanations tend to get overlooked even if they are factual.
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  99.  @boterlettersukkel  and he has an irritating voice.
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  100. The trouble with a lot of these “debates” is on one hand you have some science-illiterate nut case spouting off torrents of absolute nonsense and on the other you have someone who is totally unprepared to counter their arguments because they are so far removed from reality. Being able to win a debate doesn’t make you right.
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  101. It’s no less ridiculous so what does it matter?
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  102. Why are you bringing up nonsense flattard arguments as if they haven’t already been answered thousands of times?
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  103.  @footprints2324  well, a) level (in the case of water) just means equally distant from the centre of earth’s mass. It doesn’t mean that water is flat. They are two different meanings. B) a plane and the atmosphere through which it travels are rotating with the earth. It’s the same principal when you jump in a moving train, the train doesn’t move under your feet because you are travelling with the train’s momentum And b) a ship can only see as far as earth’s curvature will allow.
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  104.  @footprints2324  "How can the Water in an Ocean curve along with the Curvature of earth. Water always stay in level and hence WATER LEVEL." That's fairly simple to answer - gravity. This can be observed quite easily by looking at planets like Jupiter through a decent telescope - even though that's a gas giant, it's the same principal. Gravity causes the gas to coalesce into a spherical shape. It's really not that difficult to see the effects of Earth's curvature. I was in the south east of Tasmania this week which is an area that has very high sea cliffs. I took a boat out to sea to witness the migration of the short-tailed shearwater and as we ventured further out you could literally see the coast line sinking below the horizon. "If atmospheres rotating with the Earth, then how do you expect the atmosphere to stay with the planet unless there is an outer covering. And how can plane catch up with 66600 miles per hour moving object and land with an accuracy. And also the spin which is around 11000." Basically friction between the air and Earth's surface causes the atmosphere to move with the Earth. There is no need for an outer covering nor has one ever been detected or observed. The "firmament" as flat earthers like to call it is just a fantasy. " A ship can be still seen with a powerful camera such as Nikon P1000, for miles and miles" A zoom lens, no matter how good it is, won't be able to resolve an object below Earth's horizon. It honestly baffles me that some people actually think this is possible. A zoom lens can resolve an object too small to be seen with the naked eye if it's close enough to not be below the horizon but if you zoom in on a ship for example that let's say has sunk half below the horizon, it will still be half sunk when you zoom on it, just bigger - it won't magically reemerge in full view. Flat earthers say that this happens but it doesn't, they are either knowingly lying about it or they are just repeating a falsehood out of gullibility.
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  105.  @footprints2324  I’m not seeing any videos but if it’s Eric Dubay I’m completely uninterested.
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  106.  @footprints2324  Well what you want to believe is up to you but I think you'll find that all the things you mention here have a valid scientific explanation if you look into it honestly. There are simple proofs that tell us beyond any reasonable doubt that Earth is a sphere - the southern celestial pole for example, or something as simple as intercontinental navigation which is calculated using great circle routes (ie. spherical geometry). It doesn't take a whole lot to figure out that flat earth is complete nonsense! It has no foundation in reality, it basically amounts to people saying "I don't believe that's possible so it must be fake". You'll notice that flat earthers devote all their energy into trying to tear down mainstream science rather than explaining how their model is correct - because if you ask them to explain the numerous ways in which their model fails to match observable reality they have no answers. I don't know how sincere you are but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. It only takes one verifiable observation to conclude that a hypothesis is wrong and can therefore be dismissed. In this case, take the fact that anyone in the southern hemisphere who looks south at night will see the same constellations rotating around the southern celestial pole. Look at any flat earth model and you'll see straight away that they should all be looking in different directions. So therefore it's wrong. No further investigation required - it's just wrong, end of story. Ask any flat earther to explain this and without fail they will make some excuse why they don't need to answer this question and change the subject. Every. Single. Time!
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  107.  @footprints2324  simple, verifiable astronomical observations tell us quite plainly that Earth is a sphere so whatever inferences are made to the contrary by looking at air travel or anything else must be based on faulty reasoning and is therefore not worth investigating. So no, I’m not really interested thanks.
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  108.  @footprints2324  a plane tilts 1 degree every 111km, hardly something a pilot is going to be consciously aware of. Simple astronomical observations include Polaris going below the horizon south of the equator, the fact that we have two celestial poles, the fact that anyone in the Southern Hemisphere who looks south at night will see the same stars rotating around the southern celestial pole, just to name a few. If flat earthers can’t provide a model that explains this logically when the existing model explains them perfectly, then it’s obvious nonsense.
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  109.  @footprints2324  Earth’s circumference is 40075km. Divide that by 360 you get roughly 111.3km (69 miles). Another way this can be tested is that as you travel north or south each pole star (depending on which hemisphere you’re in) will drop by 1 degree every 111km that you travel. This is mathematical proof that Earth is a sphere. This wouldn’t happen if we were standing on a flat plane. By the way, that last video you linked - you know that’s a joke channel right?
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  110.  @footprints2324  he’s making fun of flat earthers. It’s not meant to be facts and data!
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  111.  @footprints2324  I’ll refer back to what I said before, there are simple, irrefutable proofs (some of which I’ve already listed) that Earth is a sphere so any claims to the contrary are going to be based on faulty logic. A guy sitting in front of flat earth map (which itself can be overwhelmingly demonstrated to be wrong) talking about planes is 100% guaranteed to be nonsense.
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  112.  @footprints2324  yeah but nah ...
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  113.  @footprints2324  Are you a trained engineer? If not, wouldn't you think someone who has studied engineering and physics concepts would be an ideal place to start with your learning?
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  114.  @footprints2324  It is gravity. If you know if a better theory than the existing one, let me know.
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  115. Wow!
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  116. It is. It’s also pretty east to debunk so probably not worth spending a lot of time being open minded on.
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  117.  @raypeery6317  The existence of the Southern Celestial Pole, seen by every person in the Southern Hemisphere if they take the time to look, remains unexplained by flat earthers - because it shouldn't be possible if Earth is flat. There - debunked. See how easy that was?
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  118. The fact that earth is a sphere is self evident to anyone with a basic comprehension of science. No one needs to “prove” Earth is a globe.
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  119. Yeah ... pretty sure it’s both of those things.
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  120. Zooming in on a ship that’s below the horizon won’t bring it back into view. That’s just a load of flat earth horse shit that no one with a brain believes.
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  121.  @dustinjames7490  if a ship has gone below the horizon, no amount of zooming in on it is magically going to make it reappear. Exactly how stupid do you need to be to think that’s true?
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  122.  @dustinjames7490  is that right? So why has no one ever filmed this then? Should be fairly easy to prove if it were true. But it’s not - which is why no such footage exists. You’re just repeating flattard lies.
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  123.  @dustinjames7490  oh right, so “they” are suppressing the truth. Of course they are! Not that you’re just making things up or anything ...
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  124.  @dustinjames7490  I’m not saying governments don’t suppress truth but using that to prop up the complete lack of evidence regarding your lies about zooming in on ships is laughably pathetic. So much so that I can’t take you seriously. The simple fact is if there were any truth to it it could be very easily demonstrated by anyone, even flattards with their almighty Nikon P900s! But despite this ludicrous claim being repeated as nauseam by flat earth f$&ktards, there remains to this day zero evidence that this actually happens. And why is that? Because it’s a load of horse shit - and I think you know this full well.
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  125.  @dustinjames7490  the total absence of evidence speaks volumes. Like all flattard claims it’s just repetition of complete nonsense and excuses being made when asked to provide evidence. Nothing new to see here, just the same old shit.
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  126.  @iamthenrone  moron
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  127.  @iamthenrone  I could elaborate on the ways that you’re a moron but I was economising. You’re welcome.
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  128.  @nicholashpitts  yes, you are trolling and not doing a good job of it. To be good at it you need to be less obvious.
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  129.  @nicholashpitts  nope. Not interested.
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  130. There are already satellites taking pictures of earth from space. Let’s be honest, if they did put a camera on the moon conspiracy theorists would invent some reason why it was faked - so why would anyone bother going to all that trouble and expense just to prove to a bunch of morons that Earth is a sphere?
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  131. Her not replying probably has a lot to do with you being a nonsense-spouting child.
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  132.  Hell N Degenerates  yes the earth is known to be a sphere, that one was settled 2000 years ago. It’s not our problem if a few knuckle draggers think that’s something up for debate.
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  133. Ha ha when I used to waste my time debating these clowns, I always used to say why doesn't one them put their money where their mouth is and go to Antarctica to see the midnight sun (which anyone with half a brain cell rattling around in their head would clearly see irrevocably disproves the theory). I'm glad to hear some one actually did it with predicable results.
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  134.  @demetriusroy  I’m going to take a stab and say you don’t know the first thing about the laws of thermodynamics, you’ve just heard some peabrain on a YouTube video making stupid claims and you’ve taken it as gospel - am I right?
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  135. No one cares. Eric is a nobody.
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  136. All flat earth arguments are nonsense, no matter what spin you put on them. Any one of moderate intelligence and critical thinking skills will find it trivially easy to debunk.
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  137.  @luckyhaskins69  except if has been done - but naturally flat earthers reject every bit of evidence as fake even though not one of them can explain what their process is for arriving at that conclusion beyond “I don’t want to believe that so it’s fake”.
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  138.  @eJuniorA2  I think the difference is that astrology seems relatively harmless and few people take it seriously and also there isn’t a huge online debate around it (if you really call flat earth a “debate”) so it’s influence is relatively small. And also, flat earthers are typically quite arrogant and vocal (the worst kind of stupid), I haven’t seen astrologers loudly proclaiming that everything you believe is a lie and science is the devil!
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  139.  @thewolfman751  "so why can we make observations further than what we should be able to" That's a questionable claim. I've seen many videos supposedly showing this and what you will almost always find is that they've used a simplified curvature calculator, they haven't taken atmospheric refraction into account and the measurements for distance and viewing height are vague or just not mentioned. All these things come into play if you're going to make a genuinely scientific evaluation of an observation. A better question would be, if the Earth is flat, why can't we see entire mountains 100's of kilometers away at sea level? Why do we see large objects dip below the horizon as they get further away? "The 'flat earth' model was misrepresented in the video, you can at least agree that her opening argument was a strawman" I would agree that most flat earthers don't believe Earth is accelerating upwards but her video was more about why the philosophy of zetetic astronomy is flawed so I wouldn't call it a straw man argument. If the video was purely about flat earthers' explanation for gravity then yes, it would fall under the definition of a straw man argument. As it stands, the upwards acceleration of Earth as claimed by the flat earth society is a very minor side note in the overall presentation.
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  140.  @thewolfman751  flat earth isn’t gaining popularity. It exists largely as a subject of ridicule on debunking channels. The only reason it’s still being talked about is because people are fascinated by how idiotic some people can be.
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  141.  @UntamableFreeman  " Take a photo of the sky above your head. 6 months later take a photo of the exact same area above your head. If we are going around the Sun once a year like you claim, 6 months later you should see different stars" Yes and this is exactly what happens - with equatorial stars, circumpolar stars remain fixed - exactly what the heliocentric model predicts ... so your point is? "The Michelson-Morley experiment set out to prove the movement of the earth" No it didn't "but in fact proved the opposite" No it didn't. Ok, so in short you know nothing about astronomy and everything you know about classic scientific experiments is what you've learned from flat earth videos. I have better things to do than try to drum sense into a mental leprechaun. I think we're done here.
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  142.  @UntamableFreeman  it’s an acceptable response because you are talking shit. The Michelson Morley experiment was not trying to prove the earth was spinning, nor did it ever prove otherwise. If you had the first idea what you were talking about then you would already know this but it’s quite obvious that you don’t know anything beyond what an idiot flat earther has told you on some moronic YouTube video.
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  143.  @UntamableFreeman  you took a quote out of context and you were called out for it. If you had a shred of integrity you would admit that. What’s worse is you’ve just repeated something you’ve heard from another flat earther because you’re incapable of forming any original thoughts of your own. And the saddest thing is, despite the fact that you’ve been completely owned in this thread, you will disregard it and continue to go on repeating the same drivel to other people. If you were actually interested in genuine knowledge you would show some humility and accept that you were wrong.
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  144. Chad Judd yes I’m sure you tick every box ...
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  145.  @ronoli9447  There are multiple satellites taking images of Earth from a variety of distances. The Blue Marble image was composed of strips of near earth orbit images stitched together but there are geostationary satellites further out capturing entire disk images. What would be the advantage of putting a camera on the moon? Just to prove a point to a bunch of science-illiterate twat droppings that are going to call it fake anyway? What's the point of that exactly? Unless there was a considerable scientific benefit to doing this (and there isn't) then it's just a waste of time and resources. The only one waffling here is you. Why are you so dumb? Answer that.
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  146. Yeah .. I don't know about that. They don't show a great deal of respect for other scientists or anyone who agrees with scientific consensus. I don't have an issue with anyone who is genuinely curious and wants to think outside the box, but flat earthers don't fit that category. My personal take on it is they are just contrarians looking for something to argue about and make themselves feel better about their educational failures.
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  147. That’s true but the shape of our planet isn’t one of them.
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  148. Nice attempt to make up your own version of history there.
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  149.  @yingyang1008  it’s common knowledge that you have to be completely gullible to believe that nonsense
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  150.  @theflatouttruth6499  it is both wrong and extremely stupid. Any thoughts to the contrary is an indication of extreme delusional thinking.
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  151.  @theflatouttruth6499  there is no evidence for it. If the flat earth model was reality then it would be self evident through observation. Unfortunately for flat earthers the opposite is true. What’s even sadder is that this is so obvious that even a child can grasp why it’s wrong which begs the question why grown adults peddle this absolute nonsense. Personally I don’t think many of you actually believe it, you just do it for attention - although admittedly I only think that because I’m clinging on to the hope that people can’t possible by that woefully ignorant . For example, if two people standing a few thousand kilometres apart view the moon at the same time they will see it, for all intents and purposes, from the exact same angle and phase. Clearly if it was as close as you deranged imbeciles say it is then this would be impossible. And yet there it is, in plain sight proving that your idiotic “thinking man’s theory” is completely wrong. Like I said, this is a concept that’s so obvious even a child could comprehend it and yet here you are, claiming your imaginary pizza world with its magical perspective-and-physics-defying sun and moon is meant to be a fact! So are you just pretending to be an idiot or are you actually an idiot? Because it’s one or the other.
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  152.  @theflatouttruth6499  which one of your videos explains what I said about the moon? I don’t see it there. Maybe you could just explain it rather than trying to direct me to your channel. Or you could just be honest and admit that you can’t. Here’s another one - in reality two observers standing on two different continents in the Southern Hemisphere can both look due south and see the exact same constellations rotating around the southern celestial pole. This is simply explained by the fact that we live on a globe - it remains completely unexplained by flat earthers. And yet it’s a verifiable, daily reality. So let’s see how you avoid answering that.
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  153.  @theflatouttruth6499  yes, none of them are relevant. Please respond to the points I’ve raised.
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  154. It helps to know what you are talking about.
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  155.  @luckyhaskins69  regardless of what cherry-picked bastardisation of history has led you to that conclusion, he was still a con artist.
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  156.  @luckyhaskins69  flat earth hero offered a large amount of money (100 grand from memory) for anyone that could produce flight charts that proved a globe within certain parameters that he laid out. His challenge was taken up and overwhelmingly met by an experienced pilot. He, of course, kept changing the goal posts and never received a cent - probably on the account that it would have eaten into that idiot’s meth fund. Offering large sums of money with no intention of parting with it and then claiming it as a victory is one thing. But why is it that not one single flat earther is willing to prove their “model” is correct? Why have none of them gone to Antarctica in the summer months to witness the midnight sun (or prove that it doesn’t exist as the case may be)? It does exist of course, as hundreds of thousands of people can testify, and it overwhelmingly disproves the flat earth model. Still waiting for one single flat earther to actually try and show evidence that they’re model is correct. Almost seems like it’s too much to ask doesn’t it?
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  157.  @luckyhaskins69  You're just waffling on at this point.
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  158.  @adxn7946  this has been explained thousands of times. If you can’t be bothered finding out the answer then that’s your problem, not mine.
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  159.  @captainmeow2771  you don’t need to look any further than the sun and moon. The simple fact that the sun doesn’t alter in its apparent size throughout the day is clear evidence that it’s not a small, local object whizzing around above our heads. Or the fact that two observers standing thousands of kms apart will see the moon from pretty much the exact same angle. These are two simple observations that show that the flat earth model is clearly wrong. As for the earth’s shape, observations of the stars from different latitudes demonstrate conclusively that earth is a sphere, none more obvious than the fact that we have two celestial poles, something that flat earthers still have to ignore as if it’s a trivial inconvenience. But probably the simplest and most obvious proof is simply by looking at known distances between any two points on earth which will only conform to a sphere - especially when you look at distances in the Southern Hemisphere. If this isn’t enough evidence for you then you are probably just not being honest in your search for truth.
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  160. I don’t know, I tend to think the majority of so-called flat earthers don’t actually believe it, they just just enjoy pissing people off (ie. they are trolls) or they have something to gain by pretending (financial gain, notoriety, attention, etc.). I suspect true believers are very much in a minority and consist of people who have a few screws loose or are just plain uneducated.
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  161. But you accept that computer animations of your fantasy pizza world represent reality? As Jeran would say, “interesting ...”
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  162. What anomalies are they?
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  163.  @gulugul78  flat earth idiots are a special kind of stupid.
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  164.  @ronpapi9539  It's dying because it has nothing new to offer. Yes, it's being buried by Youtube's search algorithm in accordance with their policy of not promoting misinformation but anyone can still watch these videos if they really want to. It's fairly obvious at this point that there is zero evidence supporting it, the only reason it's still in the public awareness is because debunking channels draw attention to it - but even that's getting pretty boring at this point. It's just the same nonsense repeated and over and over and it's now gasping it's last breaths.
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  165. Looks like a woman to me, not that you’d know what that is.
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  166.  @ethanstube5087  all you need to do is stand by the ocean and watch a ship dip below the horizon. Or alternatively from a boat you can see the coastline disappear beneath the horizon. It’s fairly obvious that this is caused by earth’s curvature. Flattards’ “it’s caused by perspective because reasons” argument is pure nonsense.
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  167.  @ethanstube5087  and what Matuse is saying is right - the scientific experiment you claim would satisfy this “debate” is not possible without creating a moon sized object with sufficient gravity to hold water to its surface. Obviously this is not possible which is why flat earth idiots keep bringing it up as if it’s some kind of slam dunk. The reality is that a) there are far simpler ways to determine earth’s shape (which have been done and overwhelmingly indicate that earth is a sphere) and b) no amount of evidence will change a flat earther’s mind because they’re all f&@king morons.
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  168.  @ethanstube5087  liking your own comments? That’s sad.
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  169. It takes more than an open mind to put up with that monotone, s**t talking idiot. The difference of course is that Sabine is a respected theoretical physicist and author while Eric is a yoga instructor who’s main claim to fame is plagiarising the work of another con man with the aim of milking a profit from people too dumb to know how gullible they are.
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  170. I don’t know about that. I think even more than monetary gain it has become what it is because most of these people just want attention and while people keep giving that to them it’s not going to go away. If everyone refrained from making any type of flat earth comment for a month, most of these idiots would implode with frustration. Unfortunately for many of us who are interested in science, it’s hard to sit back and watch them take a massive dump on the last 500 years of scientific discoveries.
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  171.  @jamesrosstruthisout4290  the sun shrinks as it sets? Surely you don’t actually believe that?
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  172. Maybe if you stopped watching flat earth videos and taking them as gospel you might have a chance of not coming across as a complete moron
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  173.  @tonydixon635  I agree - drivel. It’s actually quite sad that you’ve fallen for this stupid crap. The burden of proof is on the person or group of individuals claiming that 2000 years of scientific consensus is wrong, not the other way around. Water is a fluid and therefore is moulded by the forces acting upon it. Even water in a cup can be slightly curved due to surface tension - and in the case of Earth’s surface it bends due to gravity. And before you go off on a rant about gravity not being real, you should know that I have zero interest in your scientifically illiterate opinion on that matter. All you have to do to see this in action is watch a ship disappear below the horizon - and if you must, watch it through a telescope and note that a telescope doesn’t magically make it reappear like flat earthers like to claim. Your whole “water seeks its level” spiel is nothing more than a flat earth mantra which you are mindlessly repeating like a deranged automaton. Now speaking of the burden on proof, if earth isn’t a sphere, maybe you could explain why two observers standing on different continents in the Southern Hemisphere can look due south and see the exact same constellations rotating around the same point. If Earth was flat they’d be looking in vastly different directions. Makes perfect sense if they’re on a globe doesn’t it? So when you explain that one - in your own words, not by linking to some dumb arse video - and then I’ll listen to your flat earth rant.
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  174.  @tonydixon635  no sorry you can’t just dismiss my last point by hand waving it away as irrelevant just because it’s inconvenient to you. The southern celestial pole is only explained by the fact that we live on a globe. If you can’t give a reasonable explanation for how this works on your magical pizza world then I’m completely uninterested in any of your nonsense essays.
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  175.  @tonydixon635  more deranged word salads from you. At least you cobbled together a reply, even if it was complete nonsense and didn’t answer the question. This has nothing to do with perspective or vanishing points, you completely ignored the fact that there are two celestial poles and not one like the flat earth model clearly implies would be the case. And yet again a flat earther fails miserably. It’s fine Tony, you can believe (or pretend to believe as the case may be) that earth is flat despite the overwhelming evidence for earth being a globe, I really couldn’t care less.
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  176.  @tonydixon635  yawn
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  177. N54LL “loads of working maps” - true but they’re all based on a globe. Funny how all the flatties keep making excuses as to why they can’t produce a simple two dimensional map that works. Gee, I wonder why?!
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  178. Have you considered the possibility that you might be an idiot?
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  179.  @thearrowhunter9875  yes please show us this “evidence”. Don’t just assume it will be dismissed out of hand - if it matches observable reality without depending on imaginary laws of physics and perspective to work then let’s see it!
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  180. How do you research something when no one seems to have a clear idea on any aspect of the subject at hand? Granted, the description she gives isn’t one that most flat earthers adhere to but the truth is that literally everything they believe (or pretend to believe at least) is equally as ridiculous as anything promoted by the flat earth society. In fact at least the FES has some definitive ideas, even if they are wrong - it’s better than the limp cop out that many resort to by saying “no one knows for sure but it’s not a globe” or making stupid excuses why they can’t provide details due to lack of time to prepare! To me comparing the FES to other flat earth ideas is like looking at two turds and claiming one is less shitty than the other.
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  181.  @gilee4481  it’s a minor detail and not that important.
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  182.  @tatonemio6388  that about sums it up
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  183.  @jdw616  the key here is that the sun is much larger than the moon. A flood light is not going to give you an accurate reproduction of the conditions.
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  184.  @jdw616  I think you should just look into the science behind it. It’s really not that hard to grasp.
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  185. Did she upset you in some way?
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  186. Roger Clemons funny how no flattard has ever been able to prove this isn’t it? It’s almost as if they’re full of s#%t ...
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  187. Why would you?
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  188.  @opxchaos5757  Eric has “lots of evidence” you say? Well you don’t have to take my word for it, just go through his 200 “proofs” and ask yourself the simple question, is this substantiated with actual proof or is it just a claim. A couple of examples - he claims the Statue of Liberty can be seen from 60 miles away (he doesn’t say whether or not this is from sea level but we have to assume this is implied) but provides no evidence to back to this up. He merely states it as fact. Another example, he claims Polaris can be seen from the Tropic of Capricorn. Again, stated as fact but not substantiated by a scrap of evidence (that would be difficult given that it’s blatantly untrue). I could go on but if you want to prove me wrong, by all means do.
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  189. “Looks like we got ourselves a reader” - Bill Hicks
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  190.  @leto1449  yeah I’ve heard about that conspiracy theory. They’re completely different ages and have traceable histories. It’s just dumb.
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  191.  @leto1449  ok
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  192.  @ZighyBlue  Yep, like others have said here, if you want to say "case closed" then you need to provide evidence and data (viewing height, exact location, distance to light house, height of light house, etc.) and then submit those details to be peer reviewed. You haven't done any of this so what you're saying is merely anecdotal and at any rate, 37km isn't that impressive. Have you repeated the test from a greater distance to see if it still holds true? I'm going to guess not. What you've done is thrown a dart at a wall then drawn a bullseye around it and claimed a victory.
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  193.  @ZighyBlue  Like I said, it's anecdotal. Means nothing. Proves nothing. To use your own quote, "everything you have to say is quite useless".
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  194.  @ZighyBlue  I'm not trying to be overtly judgmental, I'm just pointing out that your anecdote holds no water if you can't present any actual evidence. I could tell you that I saw a sasquatch riding a unicorn - is that evidence that either of them exist or it just a cool story? There is a mountain of evidence that Earth is a sphere which you have to ignore to come to a conclusion that it's flat based on one observation that you haven't even tested. You're hardly in a position to be telling anyone what science is!
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  195. There's a difference between traditional vaccines and the more recent, controversial ones - for a whole range of reasons; from the fact that they were rushed onto the market, they do weird, unnatural things to your cells, to being forced onto a lot of people or at the very least coerced with the threat of being social pariahs if they dared to exercise their bodily autonomy. It's quite a bit more nuanced than just "ooooh science".
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  196. Wow. There’s a lot of stupid to unpack there.
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  197. Phoenix Rich Roger is not well
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  198.  @ienjoyapples  oh come on - they are clearly wrong and woefully ignorant! Let’s not treat them with kid’s gloves, they are immensely dismissive and disrespectful of history’s great scientific minds and most of them are probably trolls just being dicks for the sake of it. Corner a flat earther into explaining exactly what they believe and watch them squirm!
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  199.  @ienjoyapples  They don't have an argument for everything unless you let them keep changing the subject or spamming you with a gish gallop. Pin them down to elaborating on what they actually claim to believe and almost always they will start squirming. "They aren't ignorant or stupid either. The olympic level mental gymnastics required to argue in favor of flat earth requires both a high degree of intelligence and knowledge of contemporary science." I'm afraid I can't agree with you there. They can regurgitate verbatim nonsense flat earth arguments by waffling on about laws of thermodynamics or the Michelson-Morley experiment for example but very, very few of them actually know anything about the actual science behind these things. Ask them why the southern celestial pole exists and usually they'll reply about never being able to go there so no one really knows what it is. I mean seriously! If that's demonstrating a knowledge of science then I'm Margaret Thatcher. They are good at being contrarian mostly. Some of them know enough terminology to sound convincing but they are a minority.
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  200.  @therealzilch  hmm I’m not sure there are that many Australian flat earthers. I live here, I know lots of people and I’ve never met one or for that matter even heard anyone talking about it. There are a handful with YouTube channels but that’s about it. It’s not a thing in Australia.
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  201. Stupidity is contagious
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  202.  Hell N Degenerates  there are many situations where earth’s curvature has a negligible effect and therefore incorporating those calculations are superfluous. But I’m sure you already know that.
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  203.  @tbrown3356  why don’t you just calculate the problem using your flat earth coordinates instead of constantly side stepping? Like every other flat earther, when forced to substantiate your make believe world you quickly find a way to change the subject.
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  204.  @tbrown3356  yes they do conform to a sphere. Just saying they don’t isn’t an argument. Prove that that’s not the case - it shouldn’t be that hard if you’re right - and then I’ll entertain your flat earth fantasy. Until then you’re wrong and all of your convoluted obfuscation is just that. Welcome to reality Mitchell.
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  205. It is but there counterargument is that it’s perspective causing this. They don’t really elaborate on how - it just is.
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  206.  @JLar-bb5hl  its great to ask questions. The problem with you imbeciles is you’re completely uninterested in the answers people give you. This thread is a perfect example. Someone has taken the time to go over your points, probably taking a lot more time and effort than your idiotic, regurgitated flat earth claims really deserve and all you’ve done is dig your heels in.
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  207. "You dumb and a liar" - the words of a true genius
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  208. Why would anyone debate you when your requirements are based on a woeful misunderstanding of science? 8 inches per mile squared doesn't describe Earth's curvature. The Michelson-Morley experiment never concluded that Earth was stationary. And E=MC squared wasn't formulated to prove the heliocentric model. You've just humiliated yourself before anyone debated you. Well done.
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  209.  @steveloveschrist  when you have a legitimate point to debate, let me know. Regurgitating flat earth bastardisations of science aren’t legitimate points.
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  210. Zachary Hill it’s dumb because it doesn’t explain anything properly. Density is a property of matter, it isn’t a force. Why do objects accelerate towards the ground at 9.8 m/s/s? If they are accelerating then a force is being applied to them - this is not something that can just be waved off as inconsequential. And what causes them to go “down”? Why not sideways? Flat earthers can’t explain any of this and yet it’s observable, repeatable, testable - you know, all those things they claim is so important!
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  211. What model of flat earth is the correct one then?
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  212.  @theplanetruth  no we don’t live on a model but we can construct a model of our world and demonstrate how that accounts for observable reality. This is something that you nutters are patently unable to provide to back up any of your stupidity and that’s why no one cares about flat earth. It’s an idiotic conspiracy theory that has run its course. Might be time to move on don’t you think?
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  213.  @Lordani66  I don’t think we are scared given that we have actual evidence to back ourselves up. As for you people and your ridiculous Eric Dubay cheerleading 1) I’ve never seen Eric debate anyone. As far as I can tell he lives in an echo chamber deleting comments so his nonsense can appear to be unchallenged even though all his videos are trivially easy to debunk And 2) as if a debate would end the discussion. It’s not like presenting facts and evidence has the slightest bit of impact on this stupidity. Bearing in mind that flat earth has very little influence in the real world, the only real way to end it is if everyone just ignores you attention seeking idiots.
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  214.  @trailbossdan1  and how many pipelines have you built?
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  215.  @vohannes  it a shame then that your “ball earth theories” don’t actually fall apart isn’t it?
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  216.  @vohannes I’m asking you a simple question - you say this “ball earth theory” (as you put it) has flaws. What are these flaws? Just saying gravity is unproven isn’t an argument. How is it wrong? How do you account for the fact that objects accelerate downwards at 9.8 m/s/s? If they are accelerating then a force is being applied - what is this force if it’s not gravity?
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  217.  @jimygod  I’d say watching a boat disappear hull first is evidence actually. Yes, you could build an elaborate experiment like you describe with a considerable investment in time, effort and finances. But for what? To prove something that’s been known without any reasonable doubt for over 2000 years? And what makes you think flat earthers would accept the result if it wasn’t in their favour? At this point I think it’s clear that they’re not actually interested in finding out the truth, it’s more about clinging onto a position no matter what evidence is thrown at them. So yeah, you could waste your time if you really wanted to - or, like I said, you could weigh up the evidence (which overwhelmingly indicates we live on a sphere) and reach a rational conclusion.
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  218. Your mum is a false statement
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  219. The accounts of these experienced sailors you talk of - can you cite any of these? As far as I’m concerned the fact that celestial navigation in the Southern Hemisphere works the way it does is one of the best debunks of the entire flat earth theory.
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  220.  @earth.is.a.plane.  that’s nice.
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  221.  @RobH.  yes it takes a special kind of daft to believe this absolute nonsense. There is nothing that the flat earth society says that isn’t as equally stupid as any other flat earth belief.
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  222.  @footprints2324  my thoughts on Brian Mullins ... he was lauded as a hero by flat earthers because he seemed to know what he was talking about and spoke on subjects that were beyond a lot of people’s ability to comprehend but his discussions seemed to indicate that there were actually some issues with the globe earth model and mainstream science. The problem was that many people did understand what he was talking about and in the comment sections on his original videos they not only tore him to pieces but went as far as reporting him to the engineering fraternity for malpractice. After all, no one wants a civil engineer who doesn’t understand the concepts behind his own profession working on their projects! Interestingly, Brian disappeared from YouTube never to be seen again leading some to speculate that he was rather keen to distance himself from his body of work. I won’t comment on the video you’ve linked as his content has been thoroughly debunked by others. I’d suggest you look up a mirror of that particular video that allows comments and see what others have to say. Always be suspicious of any flat earth video that shuts down any discourse.
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  223. Flat Tarn why even bring this up? It’s been answered to death. It’s not the smoking gun that you twits seem to think it is. A better question would be, why can’t you idiots just accept explanations when they’re given to you?
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  224. Flat Tarn it’s called gravity but never mind, it’s obviously a concept that’s way beyond your capacity to comprehend.
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  225. AVO rational people don’t think the earth is flat, that’s reserved for complete morons
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  226. I doubt you know what a straw man argument is. Perhaps you’d like to identify what parts of this video contained straw man arguments? All you’re going to get from talking to flat earthers is the same old talking points that have been debunked over and over again. If you want to exist in an echo chamber of stupidity then yeah, go talk to flat earthers.
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  227.  @GWOTvetx4  please demonstrate your understanding of what a straw man argument is by identifying just one of the points made in this video that is a straw man. I bet you can’t. And no, I’m not “stumped” by flat earth. Like anyone with an IQ above 10, I can see that it’s a load of nonsense.
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  228.  @NinjaMonkeyPrime  I think GWO has been listening to too much Nathan Oakley - fallacy this, fallacy that (without actually understanding what any of it means).
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  229.  @NinjaMonkeyPrime  but it’s always fun listening to their excuses why a simple 2D map can’t be produced even though all the data is there. I once pressed a flat earther on this and eventually he had nowhere to go but claim that “they” were lying about the true distances. Hmmm ... and yet no one has noticed this despite international travel going on all over earth at any given moment? Sounds legit ...
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  230.  @GWOTvetx4  if flat earthers can’t produce a simple map or a model which conforms with observable reality then they’re wrong. It’s as simple as that.
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  231.  @NinjaMonkeyPrime  yes the whole subject is just patently silly. Honestly I don’t even bother with flat earthers nowadays, it’s not worth the time and energy.
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  232.  @GWOTvetx4  when you say “so much fail”, I assume you mean your inability to answer simple questions?
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  233. For some people it is most definitely addictive, maybe not physically but psychologically. I know people that started as a teenager and are still doing it every day in middle age. Basically, if you find it hard to go a day without getting high on pot, you're addicted.
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  234.  @User-yy6xt  I’m not personally worried about it. It’s a movement that will eat itself in time as it becomes abundantly evident that none of their claims have any substance. I think it’s unfortunate that people get sucked into it - both those who believe it and those who waste their time “debating” it - but it’s unlikely that any true flat earth believer would ever have been lining up for Nobel prize so it’s no great loss to humanity if someone spends a few years embarrassing themselves by believing something utterly stupid.
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  235.  @User-yy6xt  Nah, it's a globe, this has already been overwhelmingly proven in a multitude of ways. If you actually believe Earth is flat - and my guess is that you don't actually believe that, you're just looking for attention but if you do - then you are not worth wasting time on.
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  236.  @raypeery6317  No, I'm really not. If someone wants to believe idiotic ideas, that's their prerogative. I think it's a great shame that the internet has allowed this nonsense to flourish but honestly, I'd rather live in a world where wrong ideas are allowed to be discussed than one where only the official version of the truth is allowed. So no, I'm not worried about it. Science will continue to lead to new discoveries and inventions, hopefully not to the detriment of humanity, while the flat earth theory will continue to contribute nothing.
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  237. Landon thanks for that load of crap
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  238. Und kine Eier
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  239.  @iamthenrone  hmmm no I’m not projecting. I just have to read over some of the intellectual phlegm you have coughed up here and it all screams “moron”. That’s you - you’re a moron.
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  240.  @rudeone5301  what would be the point of putting a camera on the moon?
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  241. British accent??
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  242.  @therealzilch  she sounds German to me.
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  243.  @luckyhaskins69  I suggest you grow up
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  244. Calling flat earthers “inquisitive” is being very generous. In my experience almost all of them aren’t in the least bit interested in discovering the truth, it’s more about taking a side just so they can argue about it.
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  245.  @TheLasVegasElite  I think it's objectively true for flat earthers.
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  246. Maybe because moon landing conspiracists are insulting towards one of humanities great achievements whereas flat earthers are just plain ridiculous. Just a guess.
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  247. I think many of us respectfully disagree.
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  248. You spelt mong incorrectly in your user name.
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  249.  @MrSirhcsellor  nail on the head
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  250. Roger Clemons or maybe you’re just a bit stupid Roger?
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  251.  @demetriusroy  stop pretending flat earth makes any sense. It doesn’t, it’s pure nonsense aimed squarely at scientifically illiterate morons.
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  252.  @demetriusroy  How's that working flat earth map coming along? Any luck with that yet? Hmm, no didn't think so. How about a flat earth model that explains simple observations such as why we have two celestial poles, why Polaris is only seen from hemisphere or why we only ever see the moon from one angle. No luck there either? Gosh, what a surprise that is! Oh well, I guess it's just a load of crap then isn't it? Funny how all these things are trivially explained on a globe model isn't it?
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  253. Roger is an idiot. Aside from that, flat earthers could quite easily prove their nonsense “theory” - for instance by booking a trip to Antarctica - but it’s fairly obvious that they’re not actually interested in finding out truths, they are just contrarians who enjoy the false sense of being superior.
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  254. Paul B it doesn’t actually say anything in the Bible about the Earth being flat - not specifically at least, only if you interpret it that way. But at any rate, the Bible should be treated for what it is, a spiritual guide and a record of the life and teachings of Jesus - not a scientific manual. It was written 1500 years before the invention of the telescope so why anyone would treat it as a scientific text book is truly beyond me.
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  255. Both of which have been conclusively disproven. Doesn’t say much for their fantasy disk world does it?
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  256. Maybe you could explain why no flat earther seems to be willing or able to produce a simple 2D map that actually works?
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  257.  @UntamableFreeman  Except it doesn't ...
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  258.  @UntamableFreeman  I live in Australia and I can assure you it’s not shaped like that. I don’t think I really need to explain this to you.
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  259.  @UntamableFreeman  so they use it for their logo .. so what?
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  260.  @UntamableFreeman  I've done enough "research" on flat earth to know that it's complete nonsense. "There are plenty of scientific experiments you can do for yourself that prove the earth is not spinning" Name one. You spend a lot of time calling people brainwashed, lets see you back up your drivel with some actual evidence.
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  261.  @MrSirhcsellor  very well said.
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  262. Chad Judd whether you say it backwards, forwards or sideways, your argument is possibly the stupidest one I’ve ever heard ... and I’ve heard a lot of dumb arguments from flat earthers so that’s really saying something.
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  263. Chad Judd maybe stop calling people who disagree with you “demons” and you might be taken more seriously. Beyond that, learn a bit of entry level astronomy so you can see why your arguments aren’t worth responding to.
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  264.  @chadmichael5700  Ok Chad. Time to let go of it.
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  265.  @chadmichael5700  the sun rises in the east for everyone because of Earth’s rotation. I don’t think anyone really knows what your point is.
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  266.  @chadmichael5700  How about you just stick to one point? The sun rising in the East and setting in the West is completely consistent with the fact that we view the sun from a rotating sphere. There is no reason the sun would rise in the West in China! Your argument is just stupid as everyone here as pointed out to you. Maybe you should just accept that it's a dumb argument and move on.
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  267.  @chadmichael5700  Um ... no you haven't given proof, you've made ridiculous, illogical claims that don't make one iota of sense.
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  268.  @chadmichael5700  Righto.
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  269. It doesn’t matter that proof you show to these people, they will find some reason to dismiss it. Foucault pendulums are no different.
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  270.  @ronoli9447  I don’t like my own comments. And I’m not angry at you, just disappointed in you.
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  271. Was that meant to be a sentence?
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  272.  @rogerledwell5776  if everyone in the Southern Hemisphere who looks south at night sees the same stars rotating around the same point, what does that say about your magical frisbee land?
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  273.  @rogerledwell5776  lol. Ok.
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  274.  @rogerledwell5776  you didn’t answer my question. What has “perspective” got to do with everyone in the Southern Hemisphere seeing the same stars rotating around the southern celestial pole? Please explain yourself.
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  275.  @rogerledwell5776  Eric Dubay huh? The yoga instructor who claims you can see Polaris from the Tropic of Capricorn ... I think that says a lot about his credentials. If you believe anything that almighty twit says then I feel sorry for you. Truth is I’ve watched that video you linked and it’s as laughably stupid as I thought it would be. For anyone with even a moderate knowledge of astronomy, it’s very obvious he’s talking out of his arse. Here’s the truth my friend, no flat earther can explain the southern star movements for the simple fact that it just doesn’t work!
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  276.  @rogerledwell5776  and also this “human eyes can only see so far” comment is not relevant. We demonstrably see two points of stellar rotation, one seen in the northern hemisphere, the other in the southern hemisphere - there is no way to reconcile that with a flat earth model and no amount of linking to nonsense videos is going to change that, sorry.
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  277.  @rogerledwell5776  ok
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  278.  @rogerledwell5776  "let me hear you explain them on a globe and exactly why they do what they do" What are you talking about? _"Eric never made that claim _" He absolutely did
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  279.  @rogerledwell5776  You're making no sense. You might want to lay off the crack.
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  280.  @rogerledwell5776  I can’t help noticing that despite your stream of nonsense responses, not once have you addressed the fact that we have two different points of stellar rotation.
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  281.  @rogerledwell5776  still avoiding it then. No surprises there.
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  282.  @rogerledwell5776  what’s any of this got to do with two celestial poles? Why can’t you address the subject?
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  283.  @rogerledwell5776  Ok good. Your inability to address a simple, verifiable observation that proves flat earth is a load of nonsense has been noted.
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  284.  @rogerledwell5776  you clearly don’t know what a celestial pole is.
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  285.  @rogerledwell5776  have you ever tried putting more than one sentence into a post?
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  286. You might want to look up what a scientific theory is.
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  287.  @sterling215  that’s a load of drivel
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  288.  @Kilmoran  Personally I think the vast majority of them are trolls. They probably have next to no scientific knowledge but they are smart enough to know that they only have to repeat any of the flat earth nonsense arguments and they're guaranteed to get someone triggered enough to respond.
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  289.  @robertfoertsch  <— look kids, it’s an idiot
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  290.  @luckyhaskins69  Nope, you're just dismissing everything that everyone says for the sake of arguing about it. Obviously you can't demonstrate gravity effecting water without creating an object with sufficiently large mass. That's not an excuse, that's just you asking the impossible. But if you want to call that a win and continue waffling on, be my guest. I don't care what you believe or are pretending to believe. I'd say you've got way too much time on your hands if this is what passes for entertainment in your retirement (that's if you even were a CEO which is doubtful).
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  291.  @DawnDin  I deleted my previous response because it was a bit rude and while I have very little time for flattard nonsense, I apologize for being disrespectful and assuming you do actually believe this crap, I will respond to your points. Facts 1 and 2 are correct. "Fact" 3 is highly questionable. Yes, you can see often see a bit further than the purely geometric dimensions of Earth would allow due to the refractive properties of our atmosphere, particularly over bodies of water where this effect is heightened - but "much" further? Hmm, I don't know about that. All flat earth videos supposedly showing this are over distances rarely beyond 30 miles which isn't that far and in virtually all cases there is no allowance given for atmospheric refraction, and details regarding distances shown and height above sea level are sketchy at best. I have genuinely examined many of these myself and found this to always be the case. Fact 4 "Every body of water seeks its own level" isn't a fact, it's a meaningless flat earth mantra. "There is no scientific method proof anywhere which disproves this statement" is complete nonsense. Celestial navigation for example, which has it's foundations in scientific fact even though it has a practical use, demonstrates beyond any doubt that Earth is a sphere. If you want to argue that Earth isn't a sphere, then explain why we have two celestial poles 180 degrees apart. Good luck with that.
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  292.  @StephenJelinek  what relevance is my age? Has Eric ever debated anyone?
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  293.  @StephenJelinek  Yeah .. and?
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  294. And let me guess, your scientific credentials are zero?
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  295.  @adxn7946  why would I want to listen to that insidious man child?
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  296.  @adxn7946  It's a cherry-picked fragment from a physics lecture that doesn't prove anything. Honestly, if this is convincing evidence to you then you've got a serious problem.
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  297.  @adxn7946  You're just repeating nonsense. And as for your boat story, I think we both know that's not true.
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  298.  @adxn7946  You're talking piles of crap. If an object has gone below the horizon no amount of zooming in on it will bring it back into view. If you honestly think that's how a zoom lens works then you're beyond stupid I'm afraid. The fact that you're repeating this nonsense claim allegedly from personal experience tells me that you are indeed a liar. If it were true then it would be trivially easy to prove. Funny how no flat earther has been able to demonstrate it isn't it? Why is that do you think? "your avoiding the original question show me one example of gas pressure without a container or next to a vacuum" Firstly, it's "you're". Secondly, I just don't see the point of explaining it to you. Why does a gas rush to fill a vacuum do you think?
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  299.  @adxn7946  I'll ask again, why does a gas rush to fill a vacuum?
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  300.  @adxn7946  and again, why does a gas rush to fill a vacuum?
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  301.  @adxn7946  the video you linked shows someone zooming in on a boat that hasn’t gone below the horizon. Try again, this time showing how zooming in on an object below the horizon will bring it back into view ... oh that’s right you can’t because no such footage exists. Why is that do you think?
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  302.  @adxn7946  and again, why does a gas rush to fill a vacuum? Demonstrate to me that have even the slightest clue what you’re talking about. Or is repeating nonsense you’ve heard from pea brained flerfs the sum total of your knowledge?
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  303.  @adxn7946  yes but why does it fill the available space? Come on you can do it.
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  304.  @adxn7946  I’ll take your silence as an admission that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
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  305.  @adxn7946  well I’m sure you can rewrite your reply.
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  306.  @adxn7946 Yeah thanks for that waffle. Still can't answer a simple question though can you? The fact remains that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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  307.  @adxn7946  Ok bye.
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  308. The people you know who think the earth is flat are definitely stupid - as are you for defending them.
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  309.  @captainmeow2771  Yeah I'm not surprised you encountered that attitude - flat earth is directly associated with extreme ignorance and cringe-inducing arrogance. It's not worth investigating seriously and definitely not worth losing friends over.
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  310. I’ve thought the same thing. They all say the same stupid crap, almost like they are programmed.
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  311. It’s a sphere, get over it.
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  312.  @objectivityworldview  yeah ... that’s not a scientific fact though is it? If anything it’s the opposite - unscientific claptrap. Looks to me like you’ve been brain washed by con artists on YouTube. How’s that working flat earth model coming along?
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  313.  @objectivityworldview  Well for a start you're using the wrong formula. You're also basing this on a purely geometric basis which would be fine if Earth didn't have an atmosphere but it does. If you want to use math as your basis, try this on for size. The angular height of either celestial pole (which points at Polaris in the northern hemisphere) will always match your latitude. This would work on both a flat earth model and globe at the north pole where it would be 90 degrees (ie. directly above your head). But as you move south the math for this would fall apart on a flat earth model. You would soon find that your measurements, assuming Earth was flat, gave the result that Polaris was at an infinitely different series of heights. On a globe model with Polaris a great distance away, there is no discrepancy. I have only described this in vague terms. For a more thorough explanation check out this link : https://flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com/2016/10/ and scroll about a third of the way down to "How Polaris Can Be Used To Confirm A Spherical Earth". It's fairly cut and dry, Earth isn't flat - as much as you might like it to be for whatever reason.
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  314.  @objectivityworldview  no I’m not denying anything. And given you just flatly ignored an easy proof of earths sphericity tells me that you are the one who’s in denial (not that this is any surprise).
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  315.  @objectivityworldview  If you knew what the scientific method was you wouldn't be talking complete bollocks. The scientific method would require the flat earth "hypothesis" to at the very least have a working model. Further to this it would need to be able to make testable predictions. And further to that it would need to falsify the accepted model of Earth and demonstrate that it could produce more accurate predictions. This is of course predicated on having a working model to begin with which flat earthers have not been able to produce so baseless claims is the best they can do. Now, I've already given you verifiable proof that Earth can only be a sphere which you have duly ignored so unless you have something of any substance to add then I was just assume you're another garden variety troll.
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  316.  @objectivityworldview  making claims and sticking “verified” at the end doesn’t make it true. I hope that was a cut and paste job and you didn’t actually waste your time thinking about that garbage. So which flat earth model correctly demonstrates why everyone in the Southern Hemisphere who looks south at night sees the same constellations rotating around the southern celestial pole? Hmmm, that one’s a bit of a problem for you flatties isn’t it? Which flat earth model correctly demonstrates why we see the same side of the moon, even for two observers standing thousands of miles apart? Which flat earth model explains why Polaris disappears below the horizon south of the equator? If it’s at the centre of this dome then we should all have direct line of sight to it - how is it possible that it’s being obscured by Earth’s surface? These are a few actual verifiable observations. Asking for a flat earth model to explain them is rhetorical of course - we both know that no such model exists. Yet very easily explained by the fact that we live on a globe, as any non-delusional, mildly intelligent person can easily ascertain.
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  317.  @objectivityworldview  there’s not much to negate, you’ve just made a bunch of unsubstantiated claims - which is of course all you can do when what you’re saying is complete nonsense. On the other hand I have given you a number of verifiable facts that completely obliterate your snow globe fantasy which you’ve ignored. Well, of course you’ve ignored them - you’re a flat earther, that’s what flat earthers do : you demand proof and then you ignore it. On that note, I’ve got better things to do than waste my time with an idiot so see ya later.
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  318. Get them to wear a dunce cap and parade them around the other workers as they pelt rotten fruit at them.
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  319.  @ronpapi9539  flat earth is dying because it’s boring - just a bunch of attention seeking idiots repeating the same nonsense over and over. The only reason it’s still a “thing” isn’t because it has validity, it’s purely because it’s gotten some people the attention they crave, probably because their mothers didn’t love them.
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  320. Yes to some extent you are correct. But c’mon, anyone with even a moderate degree of intelligence and general scientific knowledge can debunk flat earth in seconds. If believing the earth is flat isn’t stupid then I don’t know what is. Call a spade a spade.
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  321. Mikayla Eckel Cifrese i would say stubbornness and stupidity go hand in hand in this case.
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  322. There are no contradictions, some people just get hung up on the “pear” analogy and think earth should look noticeably fatter - when what the science actually tells us is that the variation is minuscule cosmically speaking. For some reason this is a concept that some people can’t seem to wrap their heads around even though it’s really not that hard to comprehend.
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  323. I don’t think it’s the fault of scientists for not stopping the flat earth movement, for reasons you’ve pointed out, but it does highlight the need for better scientific education. Sadly though, this is only going to be a band aid solution. The fact is that these ideas stem more from distrust of authority figures. In fact I think science is just a generic scapegoat for these people’s fear and loathing of the world around them. The only consolation in all of this is that while centuries of scientific achievements are collectively shat upon by these mental leprechauns, on the flip side it will awaken a scientific curiosity in others who are spurred on to find out how it is that we’ve come to know things. Because flat earth, while being enormously stupid, does ask an interesting question - how much of what we accept as truth is merely what we’ve been told to believe?
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  324.  @ethanstube5087  incorrect. Heliocentricism was claimed to be heresy. It has been widely known and accepted that earth is a sphere for well over two millennia.
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  325.  @tonydixon635  I’d say “deranged word salads” is a pretty apt description of your yawn-inducing gish-gallop walls of text. Anyone with even a basic level of knowledge on astronomy could see right through the fact that you don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
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  326. He’s not the first the offer a stupidly large cash reward nor will he be the last. But do you honestly think a flat earther - people who literally make careers out of refusing to be proven wrong no matter what evidence is thrown at them - would ever cough up that sort of money? Of course not. It’s just a juvenile grab for attention. If that idiot wanted to prove something, why doesn’t he spend his $200,000 on a trip to Antarctica?
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  327.  @str8choc  so you want to go back to the Dark Ages. Cool!
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  328.  @str8choc  I can barely make sense of what you're saying - and I'm not even going to touch on your nonsense arguments about staying right side up - but planes and ships travel all around the world every second of every day. How many of them use flat earth maps do you think?
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  329.  @str8choc  it’s not mind boggling at all, it’s just a stupid question - maybe that’s why no one is answering?
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  330. Just a heads up, if you want people to visit your collection of nonsense videos, you need to turn comments on. You have to be realistic and accept that very few people actually bother watching flat earth videos, it's all about the comment section where people can go and make fun of stupid people.
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  331. If you actually watched the video, it’s not about what flat earthers believe, it’s about why they believe it, what are their motivations. It seems to me that pretty much every flat earther that attacks this video completely misses the point by jumping on the fact that “real” flat earthers don’t believe earth accelerates upwards. It doesn’t matter, it’s not that important. If two people looked at a duck and one said “that’s a cow” and the other said “no, that’s a cat”, is it that important what they said, or the fact that they were both deaf and blind?
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