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@MikeSmith-di7gb
"once you put enough water droplets together and form any body of water that's not in motion, it always lays flat anywhere on earth"
Water is a liquid, it conforms to whatever force is being applied to it. Just because a large body of water might appear to be flat from close up, doesn't mean it is.
"Why do I have hundreds of pictures and videos of clouds BEHIND the sun?"
You don't. The sun, in case you haven't noticed, is quite bright. Cameras have difficulty processing that amount of exposure, hence the sun appears to be in front of the clouds. See, a little bit of reasoning is all it takes - you don't have to reach far flung conclusions about 500 year old conspiracies about hiding the true the distance to sun.
"After all, everybody knows it's a ball, it's so ubiquitous, you have all of mainstream science on your side the proof should be laying around everywhere, now go find me some real proof"
Yes, we live on a sphere. We've known that for over 2000 years. If you wanted to prove that to yourself beyond any reasonable doubt then you would. It's really not that hard. But let's me honest here, it wouldn't matter what proof gets thrown at you would it? You'd just ignore it like every other flat earther.
"Believe this crap if you want but some of us have working brains."
You've got a funny way of showing it.
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Ross Thatcher "It's a pretty poor premise to base all your proof on mathematics alone, when the proof required is that of viable, observable, ACTUAL, evidence."
Maths is the best choice for ascertaining hard evidence. Our senses alone are very poor measuring tools. For instance you mention using a spirit level to check for curvature - a classic example of why using your senses is not necessarily going to give you a reliable conclusion because the Earth is too big to detect curvature at ground level.
Whether you're into maths or not (and I'm going to take a stab and say that maths and science isn't your thing), using maths to make empirical measurements that can be retested and verified is the best weapon we have against the sort of guess-making and conjecture that is rampant among the flat earth movement. It's all very well to say science is religion and people put their faith in it blindly, but the fact is the scientific method has brought you modern medicine, global communication, air travel, even the computer you are using right now - all made possible through the rigours of the scientific method and the process of peer reviews. The proof is in the pudding. The flat earth movement has been around since the 1800's - how much has this belief contributed to advancements in technology? None - because it's all complete nonsense.
"If the Earth is truly spinning, as you say, then how is it possible for stars in one hemisphere to spin one direction, and the opposite in the other? That's ridiculous and obviously something you've read in a book"
It's not ridiculous, it's reality! It's actually not that hard to grasp. Here's a 180 degree timelapse of star trails from the Equator which, as you would expect on a globe, is the only place you can see both celestial poles : http://cseligman.com/text/sky/equatorlarge.htm
On the right are stars spinning around Polaris - imagine them spinning anti-clockwise. Now keep imagining them spinning and look to left and you'll see that they would be spinning clockwise around the southern celestial pole star (Sigma Octantis).
The question you need to ask yourself is how can they be spinning in the opposite direction around a separate pole star to the south on a flat plane? The standard flat earth model doesn't allow for this - there is no question at all about it, it's wrong!
"...or made up, but is most definitely not something you've observed for yourself and able to speak of from experience"
Actually I have observed this for myself. I live in the southern hemisphere and I've done a lot of star gazing and I can assure you the southern celestial pole exists. On any given night I can see the Southern Cross (Crux) rotating clockwise around it and anyone south of the equator can verify this. To refute this known fact because it goes against what you want to believe is just being stubborn and frankly childish! The big challenge for flat earthers is figuring out how there flat earth model can possibly accommodate this reality and so far no one has been able to.
"All evidence points to the stars appearing to rotate around Polaris..."
There is no evidence that points to this.
"which means in the ball-earth model, the Sun itself is the centre of the entire universe"
No one is saying the sun is at the center of the universe.
"exactly as you lucifer-worshipers insist it should be"
That's right, I'm a devil worshiper and every full moon I go out and drink the blood of a virgin. I love it.
"on magical spinning ball-earth planet-sized objects, all obvious logical observable repeatable logical FACTS can be just ignored..."
It would be nice if you people followed that and stopped ignoring facts. It makes you all look very silly.
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Ross Thatcher Nice work, completely avoiding my main points which disprove the flat earth theory. I know that's the common flat earth tactic so no surprises there.
Lets try to stay on point. Firstly, the horizon:
There is no reason why you would see the horizon curving away around from ground level, you need to get that idea out of your head because it's just wrong. The fact that we see a horizon proves that we live on a globe. The fact that we see ships and buildings dip below the horizon from a certain distance away also proves that we live on a globe. The flat earth idea that this is somehow due to perspective is totally unproven and not in accordance with any known perspective laws - my guess is someone just made that up because they couldn't come up with any other rational explanation. And please don't try to tell me that telescopes will bring things back over the horizon - that is completely untrue!
So the flat earth movement can't sufficiently explain why things dip below the horizon without resorting to lies or making shit up. They can't even explain simple things like why the sun and moon go below the horizon and not disappear to a point as they should if their model was even close to being correct. It's funny how the use perspective to explain some things and then ignore perspective when it doesn't suit their needs - such as explaining why the sun and moon don't grow as they approach and shrink as they move away like they should if they're so small and close.
So, putting all that aside, why is it that you can't see Mt Everest from anywhere on the globe? They say it's atmospheric distubance that obscures things from being seen - but the moon is said to be 3000 miles away and we can see that on the horizon ... how is this possible? Care to explain?
So then you go on to mock what I've said about how the scientific method has brought us a wealth of technology and the flat earth movement has brought us precisely nothing by completely disregarding the obvious truth of that and jumping up and down about modern medicine, claiming satellites don't exist (just stupid, of course they fucking exist you nong, you can see them with your own eyes!), more jumping up and down about how computers bring warfare or something - look, I'm not trying to say that modern technology is good or bad. I'm saying that these things wouldn't exist if science had it all wrong like you people like to claim. The flat earth movement pretty much requires every field of science to be disregarded. Totally ridiculous. No wonder no one with any sense takes any of you seriously!
Now as for your insistence that the "bigness" of the Earth is somehow a lie and is used as a kind of scapegoat to defend all the lies ... really? Really?? The dimensions of the Earth in this day and age are well known. Flight times are measured with precision from one continent to another and guess what, those measurements only work on a globe!
Anyway, whatever mate. You believe what you want to believe. Commercial space flight is just around the corner - are you prepared to eat your words or will you still be clinging onto your fantasies?
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Mate, I'm a recent subscriber and I've been really enjoying your back catalogue but I think you missed the mark with this one. This seems more like an opinion piece - and clearly your opinion is that you don't think he has any talent! Now that's fair enough and I wouldn't say I'm a huge fan but if I can say a couple of things.
Firstly, humour is subjective. Ponderland was a great show and I personally thought it was very funny and found Russel to be a very engaging and entertaining presenter.
Secondly, the titles of his videos (which you seem to be basing your analysis on, rather than the actual content), are intentionally over the top and designed to be click bait. I don't necessarily agree with that approach but what he talks about in his videos seem to be at least based in real life events and then he offers his own opinions. I wouldn't call him a conspiracy theorist per se but no doubt he does attract them.
Thirdly, I don't think you have represented his work in drug rehabilitation (which is considerable) very fairly at all.
As for the allegations, you do rightly point out that there is no way to ascertain the truth behind them in the absence of any evidence. However, it's not unfathomable that it was a coordinated attempt to silence or at the very least discredit him. It seems rather odd to me that a member of UK parliament was writing to several platforms like Youtube, Rumble, etc. with a letter clearly aimed at persuading them to demonetize him. Over mere allegations? That's a bit weird don't you think? I've never heard of anything like that happening before. Whether he is guilty or not, I have no idea. But supposedly the TV channel behind that documentary interviewed over a thousand women and only a handful came forward ... anonymously. How hard do you think it would be to find four or five women, unrestrained by any accountability, who are willing to stretch the truth a bit if they felt used, simply didn't like him or just wanted to create drama for whatever reason? Only time will tell if charges are laid and a court case occurs. Until then, he should be assumed innocent until proven guilty.
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@KangenAlec so according to you, for 500 years millions of people who would need to be in on this lie have been paid off to keep it a secret (for no justifiable reason). The number of people colluding to keep this a secret would have exploded in the last 100 years, including but not limited to, professional and amateur astronomers, cartographers, many people working in the airline industry, many people working in the maritime industry, etc. By believing earth is flat, you must also believe that every airline pilot, travelling sufficient distances, at some point will realise that earth is actually flat and before they can tell anyone they get tapped on the shoulder by the mysterious “them” and told to keep it a secret. If you honestly believe that then there is little hope for you.
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@kurts6278 Looking at it rationally, I think they are safe enough for most people, at least short term. But there is a risk and most of us have heard stories about people getting horrible side effects. I personally know someone who got a booster and has since suffered from extreme fatigue and loss of motor-function in her arms. This has been going on for over a month since her injection. I know of another case of a young girl here where I live who acquired ticks and can't control the movement in her arms ever since getting vaccinated. Doctors are at a loss to know how to help her. I know of several other cases, enough to make me think that this is not entirely uncommon even though it would appear to be taboo for mainstream media to talk about. This stuff isn't normal, you don't hear about this sort of thing happening with other vaccines! Maybe it's because so many more people are getting them that the number of people with side effects goes up as a result, but still it's clear that for some people they aren't particularly safe. And that's not mentioning the known instances of heart problems. And long term effects of repeated doses - who knows what that might be doing? No one does because the studies haven't been made, we just cross our fingers and hope for the best. And putting faith in pharmaceutical companies who are clearly all about profits .. only a fool would think they have the health and well being of humanity at their core.
Again, I don't have a problem with vaccines or any person choosing to get one if they feel they are at significant risk of serious symptomatic illness but given the risks of complications, however small they might be, forcing it on people who don't want it is just plain wrong and honestly it amazes me how many people are so accepting of it. I really think fear has hypnotized many people into a state of irrational compliance and I think it's sad that this happened so rapidly, even sadder that some people have been so eager to attack others just for wanting to make their own decisions.
Edit : I'm not accusing you of attacking others but I've seen that behavior from many others, even someone who I once considered a friend.
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@nou2769 Yes well political witch hunts have a way of turning out that way. Guilty or not, if you compare his charges to, oh I don't know, let's say invading another country based on a lie, leading to hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties and destabilizing an entire region, I'd say they're on a more trivial side of things.
Whether you like him not, he's incredibly resilient. Despite his political opponents trying to put him jail, being shot, shot at, and being demonized in the mainstream media for years, he still kept soldiering on and he still won - convincingly. So I think the will of the majority should respect their democratically elected leader, or at least respect the position he's been granted, and just let the guy do his job.
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@SS-ub5qz Yeah, it's not preposterous. Most people know of at least one person who's had a serious side effect, from heart conditions to limb paralysis. To say it's completely safe, even if you write it in all caps, I'm sorry but you're living in a fantasy land. Again, most people won't have a problem but some do. And yes, it's a medical trial. mRNA technology has never been used for vaccines prior to this and there is no long term safety data. If that doesn't qualify as a medical trial then I don't know what does! I'm not a conspiracy theorist, these are just simple facts.
But as I said, I'm not claiming that these vaccines haven't had a role to play in keeping hospitalizations down, you only have to look at the data to see that they have been successful to some degree. But how long does this go on? That's the question. To me and to many other people it seems ludicrous to think that we can vaccinate our way out of this pandemic, especially now we have a significantly less pathogenic variant. It seems the obvious way forward at this stage is to let it run it's course, allow people to build up natural immunity through exposure and end all the mandates and control measures.
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@SS-ub5qz I don't live in Canada, I'm actually in Australia but the situation is similar in many regards. I'm frustrated that my country, which was once seen as an idyllic location, has been tarred internationally by rogue premiers acting like power-crazed tyrants with an ineffectual prime minister who seems incapable of doing anything about it. When you see things like a 50 year old woman being arrested, thrown in a paddy wagon and charged simply for refusing to show her medical details on demand, it makes you wonder what the hell happened to our once great country. And most frightening of all is that so many people are not only ok with this but actively encourage it! In all my years I never would have thought so many weak-minded, apathetic people would willingly allow themselves to be brainwashed into accepting the segregation of people who in this case simply want to uphold their bodily autonomy. So while you may see what's happening in Canada in a negative light, for me and I'm sure for many others, it's a sign of hope and a clear message to these pricks that enough is enough.
As for vaccinations, I had my two shots, got exposed to Covid and was asymptomatic. I won't be getting a booster, thanks very much.
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" I'm 62 years old with B.S. degree"
You have a degree in bullshit? That should make you an ideal candidate for being a flat earth believer then.
"gravity has enough force to keep 1,450,000,000,000,000,000 tons of ocean water stuck to the earth, but a small bird can fly just feet off it's water surface"
Maybe that's because water droplets don't have wings? Ever thought of that? What do you think would happen to the bird if it's wings fell off? It would fall down right? What mysterious force do you think might be responsible for that downward acceleration?
"flying west to a any city should take half the time or even more"
The atmosphere rotates with the Earth due to fluid dynamics; unless it's out in space, the plane is flying with the atmosphere. If you throw a paper plane in a train from one end to the other, then throw it back the other way, does your common sense tell you it will take the same amount of time despite the movement of the train? I'm sure you've had this explained to you a thousand times, which part don't you understand?
"the many obvious NASA videos of astronauts faking zero gravity in space using CGI, green screens and harnesses"
Except in every single case you never see a harness or any actual proof of any of those things, just some moron singling out clips, playing them over and over in slow mo and making claims about them "looking suspicious". To me the only thing obvious about them is that some people will literally believe anything they're told.
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@DawnDin I deleted my previous response because it was a bit rude and while I have very little time for flattard nonsense, I apologize for being disrespectful and assuming you do actually believe this crap, I will respond to your points.
Facts 1 and 2 are correct.
"Fact" 3 is highly questionable. Yes, you can see often see a bit further than the purely geometric dimensions of Earth would allow due to the refractive properties of our atmosphere, particularly over bodies of water where this effect is heightened - but "much" further? Hmm, I don't know about that. All flat earth videos supposedly showing this are over distances rarely beyond 30 miles which isn't that far and in virtually all cases there is no allowance given for atmospheric refraction, and details regarding distances shown and height above sea level are sketchy at best. I have genuinely examined many of these myself and found this to always be the case.
Fact 4 "Every body of water seeks its own level" isn't a fact, it's a meaningless flat earth mantra. "There is no scientific method proof anywhere which disproves this statement" is complete nonsense. Celestial navigation for example, which has it's foundations in scientific fact even though it has a practical use, demonstrates beyond any doubt that Earth is a sphere.
If you want to argue that Earth isn't a sphere, then explain why we have two celestial poles 180 degrees apart. Good luck with that.
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@richardhowlett8908
"Time wasting knob"
If I'm wasting your time, why are you bothering to respond?
"On a 25000 miles globe there must be 8 inch per mile squared, testable, observable, provable curvature in all directions. You don't have that. "
What about when things dip below the horizon from a distance. I would have thought that was fairly obvious. Are you going to tell me that if I zoom in on them they'll come back into view? Because no one with a functioning brain believes that crap.
"only NASA show a curve"
And multiple other space agencies. Guess they're all in on it hey?
"you say we have photographs of Earth from space. To repeat myself yet again, we don't. "
And you've personally examined each one have you?
"Every google image is CGI, a composite or a painting andnif you click on any of them, they admit it."
No they don't. That's nonsense.
"if you believe anyone has ever gone south across the Antarctic and then north up the other side, then you are very much wrong. Go waste your own time researching it."
North to south pole circumnavigations :
November 14-17, 1965, Capt. Fred Lester Austin, Jr. and Harrison Finch
1977, PanAm Flight 50, PanAm’s 50th anniversary.
1979, Sir Ranulph Fiennes and Charles R. Burton - Guinness Book of World Records, first surface polar circumnavigation.
1988-1989, Dick Smith
1992, Michael Palin BBC documentary, Arctic to the South Pole.
2009, TAG Transpolar08 flight
I'm sorry but you're completely full of shit.
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