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  123.  @MikeSmith-di7gb  "If it's so easy to prove your spinning ball earth then why won't Neil my Ass Tyson debate and put an end to it." Well my guess is he's got better things to do than debate a subject which is patently stupid and trivially easy to debunk. "Brainwashing is powerful" Yes, apparently it's worked wonders on you ... "start giving me 60 million dollars per day like NASA gets and I'll start putting together a working flat earth model for you guys" This excuse that flat earthers have about lack of funding is so lame. The reason you idiots can't come up with a working model is because your pancake theory is a stupid fantasy and anyone who bothers to make real life observations - such as the southern hemisphere stars for example - can see that the globe "theory" is clearly correct. "I'll end the 1959 Antarctic Treaty and we'll go there and have a look around." Why would you need to do that? The Antarctic Treaty doesn't prohibit exploration, it mainly prohibits environmental exploitation and military activity. I honestly don't think a single one of you morons has ever bothered to actually read it. Here's a simple idea - and strangely one that no flat earther seems willing to do despite there being nothing stopping them - go to Antarctica in January and prove that the midnight sun is a hoax and everyone who claims to have seen it is lying about it. If the Antarctic midnight sun exists then it should tell you that the flat earth model is very, very wrong. If you can prove it doesn't exist then maybe people will start taking you mental midgets seriously. Of course the sad truth is, it doesn't matter what evidence goes against flat earth, some dickhead flattard will just make some excuse for it and that will be accepted as fact. That's how it works right?
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  374. Ross Thatcher "It's a pretty poor premise to base all your proof on mathematics alone, when the proof required is that of viable, observable, ACTUAL, evidence." Maths is the best choice for ascertaining hard evidence. Our senses alone are very poor measuring tools. For instance you mention using a spirit level to check for curvature - a classic example of why using your senses is not necessarily going to give you a reliable conclusion because the Earth is too big to detect curvature at ground level. Whether you're into maths or not (and I'm going to take a stab and say that maths and science isn't your thing), using maths to make empirical measurements that can be retested and verified is the best weapon we have against the sort of guess-making and conjecture that is rampant among the flat earth movement. It's all very well to say science is religion and people put their faith in it blindly, but the fact is the scientific method has brought you modern medicine, global communication, air travel, even the computer you are using right now - all made possible through the rigours of the scientific method and the process of peer reviews. The proof is in the pudding. The flat earth movement has been around since the 1800's - how much has this belief contributed to advancements in technology? None - because it's all complete nonsense. "If the Earth is truly spinning, as you say, then how is it possible for stars in one hemisphere to spin one direction, and the opposite in the other? That's ridiculous and obviously something you've read in a book" It's not ridiculous, it's reality! It's actually not that hard to grasp. Here's a 180 degree timelapse of star trails from the Equator which, as you would expect on a globe, is the only place you can see both celestial poles : http://cseligman.com/text/sky/equatorlarge.htm On the right are stars spinning around Polaris - imagine them spinning anti-clockwise. Now keep imagining them spinning and look to left and you'll see that they would be spinning clockwise around the southern celestial pole star (Sigma Octantis). The question you need to ask yourself is how can they be spinning in the opposite direction around a separate pole star to the south on a flat plane? The standard flat earth model doesn't allow for this - there is no question at all about it, it's wrong! "...or made up, but is most definitely not something you've observed for yourself and able to speak of from experience" Actually I have observed this for myself. I live in the southern hemisphere and I've done a lot of star gazing and I can assure you the southern celestial pole exists. On any given night I can see the Southern Cross (Crux) rotating clockwise around it and anyone south of the equator can verify this. To refute this known fact because it goes against what you want to believe is just being stubborn and frankly childish! The big challenge for flat earthers is figuring out how there flat earth model can possibly accommodate this reality and so far no one has been able to. "All evidence points to the stars appearing to rotate around Polaris..." There is no evidence that points to this. "which means in the ball-earth model, the Sun itself is the centre of the entire universe" No one is saying the sun is at the center of the universe. "exactly as you lucifer-worshipers insist it should be" That's right, I'm a devil worshiper and every full moon I go out and drink the blood of a virgin. I love it. "on magical spinning ball-earth planet-sized objects, all obvious logical observable repeatable logical FACTS can be just ignored..." It would be nice if you people followed that and stopped ignoring facts. It makes you all look very silly.
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  375. Ross Thatcher Nice work, completely avoiding my main points which disprove the flat earth theory. I know that's the common flat earth tactic so no surprises there. Lets try to stay on point. Firstly, the horizon: There is no reason why you would see the horizon curving away around from ground level, you need to get that idea out of your head because it's just wrong. The fact that we see a horizon proves that we live on a globe. The fact that we see ships and buildings dip below the horizon from a certain distance away also proves that we live on a globe. The flat earth idea that this is somehow due to perspective is totally unproven and not in accordance with any known perspective laws - my guess is someone just made that up because they couldn't come up with any other rational explanation. And please don't try to tell me that telescopes will bring things back over the horizon - that is completely untrue! So the flat earth movement can't sufficiently explain why things dip below the horizon without resorting to lies or making shit up. They can't even explain simple things like why the sun and moon go below the horizon and not disappear to a point as they should if their model was even close to being correct. It's funny how the use perspective to explain some things and then ignore perspective when it doesn't suit their needs - such as explaining why the sun and moon don't grow as they approach and shrink as they move away like they should if they're so small and close. So, putting all that aside, why is it that you can't see Mt Everest from anywhere on the globe? They say it's atmospheric distubance that obscures things from being seen - but the moon is said to be 3000 miles away and we can see that on the horizon ... how is this possible? Care to explain? So then you go on to mock what I've said about how the scientific method has brought us a wealth of technology and the flat earth movement has brought us precisely nothing by completely disregarding the obvious truth of that and jumping up and down about modern medicine, claiming satellites don't exist (just stupid, of course they fucking exist you nong, you can see them with your own eyes!), more jumping up and down about how computers bring warfare or something - look, I'm not trying to say that modern technology is good or bad. I'm saying that these things wouldn't exist if science had it all wrong like you people like to claim. The flat earth movement pretty much requires every field of science to be disregarded. Totally ridiculous. No wonder no one with any sense takes any of you seriously! Now as for your insistence that the "bigness" of the Earth is somehow a lie and is used as a kind of scapegoat to defend all the lies ... really? Really?? The dimensions of the Earth in this day and age are well known. Flight times are measured with precision from one continent to another and guess what, those measurements only work on a globe! Anyway, whatever mate. You believe what you want to believe. Commercial space flight is just around the corner - are you prepared to eat your words or will you still be clinging onto your fantasies?
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  392. Mate, I'm a recent subscriber and I've been really enjoying your back catalogue but I think you missed the mark with this one. This seems more like an opinion piece - and clearly your opinion is that you don't think he has any talent! Now that's fair enough and I wouldn't say I'm a huge fan but if I can say a couple of things. Firstly, humour is subjective. Ponderland was a great show and I personally thought it was very funny and found Russel to be a very engaging and entertaining presenter. Secondly, the titles of his videos (which you seem to be basing your analysis on, rather than the actual content), are intentionally over the top and designed to be click bait. I don't necessarily agree with that approach but what he talks about in his videos seem to be at least based in real life events and then he offers his own opinions. I wouldn't call him a conspiracy theorist per se but no doubt he does attract them. Thirdly, I don't think you have represented his work in drug rehabilitation (which is considerable) very fairly at all. As for the allegations, you do rightly point out that there is no way to ascertain the truth behind them in the absence of any evidence. However, it's not unfathomable that it was a coordinated attempt to silence or at the very least discredit him. It seems rather odd to me that a member of UK parliament was writing to several platforms like Youtube, Rumble, etc. with a letter clearly aimed at persuading them to demonetize him. Over mere allegations? That's a bit weird don't you think? I've never heard of anything like that happening before. Whether he is guilty or not, I have no idea. But supposedly the TV channel behind that documentary interviewed over a thousand women and only a handful came forward ... anonymously. How hard do you think it would be to find four or five women, unrestrained by any accountability, who are willing to stretch the truth a bit if they felt used, simply didn't like him or just wanted to create drama for whatever reason? Only time will tell if charges are laid and a court case occurs. Until then, he should be assumed innocent until proven guilty.
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  511.  @hi0u91e9  Generally it seems like JC omits relevant information that doesn't support his, let's say, anti-establishment predisposition. Susan has pointed out many examples of this, as have plenty of others. If it was once in a blue moon I might be inclined to put it down to an honest mistake but I can't help coming to the conclusion that he is pandering to his audience. I can't give you specific examples but they're out there if you take the time to look. So that's why I don't follow him anymore. During the height of the pandemic I found his calm approach a welcome respite from the hysterical fear mongering in the mainstream media. This was particularly evident during the emergence of Omicron, which John correctly reported as a less harmful variant while the mainstream media continued their frenzied alarmist approach. Unfortunately he seems to be following a less reasoned narrative now. That said, I personally find Susan grating and her followers are even worse. I've actually been banned from commenting on her channel for some reason, not sure why. I don't think she likes criticism very much. I think her channel is basically there to poke fun at and belittle anyone who questions Covid vaccines plus she clearly has an unhealthy fixation with John and I find all of that distasteful. For a channel that is supposedly about science, she should at least attempt to remain impartial. But whether I like her not, she has a right to express her views, as does John. But I think they should be seen as being at polar opposite ends of an issue and the truth is probably somewhere in between.
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  546.  @footprints2324  "How can the Water in an Ocean curve along with the Curvature of earth. Water always stay in level and hence WATER LEVEL." That's fairly simple to answer - gravity. This can be observed quite easily by looking at planets like Jupiter through a decent telescope - even though that's a gas giant, it's the same principal. Gravity causes the gas to coalesce into a spherical shape. It's really not that difficult to see the effects of Earth's curvature. I was in the south east of Tasmania this week which is an area that has very high sea cliffs. I took a boat out to sea to witness the migration of the short-tailed shearwater and as we ventured further out you could literally see the coast line sinking below the horizon. "If atmospheres rotating with the Earth, then how do you expect the atmosphere to stay with the planet unless there is an outer covering. And how can plane catch up with 66600 miles per hour moving object and land with an accuracy. And also the spin which is around 11000." Basically friction between the air and Earth's surface causes the atmosphere to move with the Earth. There is no need for an outer covering nor has one ever been detected or observed. The "firmament" as flat earthers like to call it is just a fantasy. " A ship can be still seen with a powerful camera such as Nikon P1000, for miles and miles" A zoom lens, no matter how good it is, won't be able to resolve an object below Earth's horizon. It honestly baffles me that some people actually think this is possible. A zoom lens can resolve an object too small to be seen with the naked eye if it's close enough to not be below the horizon but if you zoom in on a ship for example that let's say has sunk half below the horizon, it will still be half sunk when you zoom on it, just bigger - it won't magically reemerge in full view. Flat earthers say that this happens but it doesn't, they are either knowingly lying about it or they are just repeating a falsehood out of gullibility.
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  548.  @footprints2324  Well what you want to believe is up to you but I think you'll find that all the things you mention here have a valid scientific explanation if you look into it honestly. There are simple proofs that tell us beyond any reasonable doubt that Earth is a sphere - the southern celestial pole for example, or something as simple as intercontinental navigation which is calculated using great circle routes (ie. spherical geometry). It doesn't take a whole lot to figure out that flat earth is complete nonsense! It has no foundation in reality, it basically amounts to people saying "I don't believe that's possible so it must be fake". You'll notice that flat earthers devote all their energy into trying to tear down mainstream science rather than explaining how their model is correct - because if you ask them to explain the numerous ways in which their model fails to match observable reality they have no answers. I don't know how sincere you are but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. It only takes one verifiable observation to conclude that a hypothesis is wrong and can therefore be dismissed. In this case, take the fact that anyone in the southern hemisphere who looks south at night will see the same constellations rotating around the southern celestial pole. Look at any flat earth model and you'll see straight away that they should all be looking in different directions. So therefore it's wrong. No further investigation required - it's just wrong, end of story. Ask any flat earther to explain this and without fail they will make some excuse why they don't need to answer this question and change the subject. Every. Single. Time!
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  671.  @kurts6278  Looking at it rationally, I think they are safe enough for most people, at least short term. But there is a risk and most of us have heard stories about people getting horrible side effects. I personally know someone who got a booster and has since suffered from extreme fatigue and loss of motor-function in her arms. This has been going on for over a month since her injection. I know of another case of a young girl here where I live who acquired ticks and can't control the movement in her arms ever since getting vaccinated. Doctors are at a loss to know how to help her. I know of several other cases, enough to make me think that this is not entirely uncommon even though it would appear to be taboo for mainstream media to talk about. This stuff isn't normal, you don't hear about this sort of thing happening with other vaccines! Maybe it's because so many more people are getting them that the number of people with side effects goes up as a result, but still it's clear that for some people they aren't particularly safe. And that's not mentioning the known instances of heart problems. And long term effects of repeated doses - who knows what that might be doing? No one does because the studies haven't been made, we just cross our fingers and hope for the best. And putting faith in pharmaceutical companies who are clearly all about profits .. only a fool would think they have the health and well being of humanity at their core. Again, I don't have a problem with vaccines or any person choosing to get one if they feel they are at significant risk of serious symptomatic illness but given the risks of complications, however small they might be, forcing it on people who don't want it is just plain wrong and honestly it amazes me how many people are so accepting of it. I really think fear has hypnotized many people into a state of irrational compliance and I think it's sad that this happened so rapidly, even sadder that some people have been so eager to attack others just for wanting to make their own decisions. Edit : I'm not accusing you of attacking others but I've seen that behavior from many others, even someone who I once considered a friend.
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  800. @Paul Rodney ”Bogus huh Lol..Prove it, Prove or debunk me that im wrong?" Yes bogus. If something is below the horizon zooming in on it isn't going to bring it back into view. That's ridiculous and there is zero evidence to support that nonsense claim. I don't need to debunk it. You made the claim - you prove it! You can't because it's complete nonsense and you know it! "you wouldn't be needing for me to answer the flaws if you looked it up yourself before talking junk here..There is enough info out there to get all sorts of flaws, son" Firstly, I'm not your son. Secondly, it's very obvious at this point that you've got nothing so you're resorting to the usual flat earth tactic of saying "the information is out there, you need to do the research". It gets a bit old. "Other polish Cosmonat is Miroslaw Hermaszewski" Yes I'm familiar with that interview. He says it's flat and then he smirks. He's obviously joking. And also, in the same interview he also talks about seeing the Earth as round - which you would know if you "did your research". At any rate, a youtube clip of someone saying Earth is flat is not evidence. Evidence would come in the form of a working flat earth map or a working flat earth model. Lets not pretend that either of those things exist! It would come in the form of a rational explanation as to why we have two celestial poles. Or how the sun rises east everywhere on Earth during an equinox. Or why Polaris can only be seen north of the equator. Or why the sun never changes size and traverses the sky consistently at 15 degrees per hour. You know - explaining how all these things that clearly point to Earth being a sphere orbiting the sun can be explained by a flat earth model. And the truth is you can't explain any of these things without ridiculous word salads and gish gallops. So lets stop pretending that you have anything valid to say here. Flat earth is demonstrably complete nonsense and has no relevance in the real world apart from being something to laugh at.
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  849.  @ginnydare13  "All stars rotate East to West around Polaris just above the central North Pole like in a planetarium dome" If that were true then that would be great evidence to support the flat earth theory. Unfortunately that is very, very wrong. It is only true north of the equator. "The planetarium dome of our Earth however is so vast that the law of perspective doesn't allow you to see all the stars from any one vantage point." Or maybe the Earth is a globe and that's why you can only see half of the stars from any given view point? That seems far more likely than your flerspective argument. If Polaris is at the centre of your imaginary dome then we would see it from everywhere on Earth. How can it be obscured by Earth's horizon at any point if we live on a flat plane and we would always have direct line of sight to it? "You can however see Polaris ... from every point on Earth all the way to the Southern Tropic of Capricorn." You can not see Polaris from the Tropic of Capricorn. No one has ever seen this and there is absolutely no evidence to back this up. You are just repeating a lie. "whereas in the south, from the equator, neither the so-called south pole star, nor the remarkable constellation of the Southern Cross, can be seen simultaneously from every meridian, showing that all the constellations of the south - pole star included - sweep over a great southern arc and across the meridian, from their rise in the evening to their setting in the morning" More bullshit. Circumpolar stars in the southern hemisphere rotate around the southern celestial pole. There is no sweeping over a great southern arc. Here's a tip for you : Samuel Rowbotham was a known con man who just made shit up.
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  856.  @tonydixon635  I agree - drivel. It’s actually quite sad that you’ve fallen for this stupid crap. The burden of proof is on the person or group of individuals claiming that 2000 years of scientific consensus is wrong, not the other way around. Water is a fluid and therefore is moulded by the forces acting upon it. Even water in a cup can be slightly curved due to surface tension - and in the case of Earth’s surface it bends due to gravity. And before you go off on a rant about gravity not being real, you should know that I have zero interest in your scientifically illiterate opinion on that matter. All you have to do to see this in action is watch a ship disappear below the horizon - and if you must, watch it through a telescope and note that a telescope doesn’t magically make it reappear like flat earthers like to claim. Your whole “water seeks its level” spiel is nothing more than a flat earth mantra which you are mindlessly repeating like a deranged automaton. Now speaking of the burden on proof, if earth isn’t a sphere, maybe you could explain why two observers standing on different continents in the Southern Hemisphere can look due south and see the exact same constellations rotating around the same point. If Earth was flat they’d be looking in vastly different directions. Makes perfect sense if they’re on a globe doesn’t it? So when you explain that one - in your own words, not by linking to some dumb arse video - and then I’ll listen to your flat earth rant.
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  1274.  @Zripas  No, that's actually not my argument at all. I'm saying that the reason people believe in God isn't necessarily because a book told them to, although that may be the central reason, but also because churches provide a real community for people. I suppose you could argue the same for flat earthers - that there is an online community that also reinforces their beliefs and gives them a sense of comfort - and that may be true but it's not as tangible as an actual place with a physical presence of a congregation. But besides that, my main point is that you can't prove that God doesn't exist any more than you can prove that he can. But it's trivially easy to prove that flat earth is a load of nonsense if you look at it with any sort of intellectual honesty. To go back to what you were saying about religion, I don't think a society where we tell people what they can and can't believe is a very healthy one. I would say the same for flat earthers - I think it's ridiculous and I love to poke holes in their stupid theory but it's not up to me to tell anyone what they should believe. When you start claiming something is fact when there is no proof for it then that's a different ball game. But say what you will about Christians or whatever, churches actually do a lot of good that isn't necessarily broadcasted. I'm not a Christian myself but I have close ties with a local church where I live and they do a lot of good things both locally and abroad, particularly with youth, the poor and the vulnerable. They don't advertise that but there is a lot of good that they and many churches do behind the scenes that most people aren't aware of.
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  1908.  @Gimo76  "YouTube stated they were taking down all Flat Earth videos" No I don't believe that's true. What I said before is accurate. They altered their search algorithm to not promote misinformation channels. And flat earth channels are firmly in that category! "In an ancient writing it states that God made two lights a greater light for the day and a lesser light for the night. They are both the same size and I have taken pics of both and see it." And? How does that explain why we only see one face of the moon if it's supposedly a local, small object? Obviously if this were the case then that would easily be observable. But if we only see it from one angle then it's not a local, small object is it. This is pretty simple logic. "This is getting silly we have so much more to deal with her than flat earth so what it doesn’t make any difference if we believe or not" That may be so but let's stick to one subject and not get side-tracked with talk about vaccines. It's really not relevant. I agree, in the scheme of things it doesn't really matter what either of us believes except that what you believe is obvious nonsense and I'm trying to make you see sense. "No one has answered my question on how can sun and moon be sometimes in the clouds?" I answered it before. It's not in front of the clouds, it's just the way camera sensors deal with bright objects causing over-exposure making it appear as thought it's in front of the clouds. I mean, come on, if that were the case then aircraft would regularly be at the same height as the sun. You're not really that silly are you?
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