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Comments by "TheGoldenCaulk" (@thegoldencaulk2742) on "Systema OBREGON: The Mexican Rotating-Barrel 1911" video.
There is one good reason I can see why this safety/slide lever wasn't a good idea, and that's because there's no detent for the lever, no positive stop. The lever is long and thin, and starts to flop around as it wears, and you can very easily accidentally put the gun on safe when you don't mean to (I've had 2 of these pistols, they both shared this behavior). The 1911's slide stop and safety have their own detents, making them very crisp and positive. There's no mistakenly flipping the safety on with that pistol. Had the Obregon gotten more military attention, they probably would've improved it though.
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@xxvaltielxx1789 If that's what he means, he's still wrong.
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I would argue they did catch on, Obregon just didn't get the credit. The captive recoil spring and the simplified mainspring (seen here: https://i.imgur.com/DRMISQZ.jpg) both showed up eventually and are standard features today. Obregon was ahead of the curve when it came to spring retention.
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Damn it, I was actually hoping you wouldn't do a video on this one..... ;) On the topic of the mag safety, one thing I've learned from owning examples of these is that if you try to file on the inside surfaces in an attempt to disable the mag safety, all you'll do is brick the gun as the mag safety will no longer be able to be activated by a mag. A previous owner tried this, and then tried to fix it which grossly and negatively affected the trigger pull.
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@dannylevin1839 Ok, but manufacturing standards are irrelevant when discussing the merits of the design. Anyone can make a good design poorly. Also, don't you have to shift your grip on a 1911 to activate the slide stop anyway? So it's got the very same problem.
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As it goes, a design needs to be so overwhelmingly better than the current design to justify the cost of replacing it. And though the Obregon has some clever improvements, it's only incrementally better than the 1911 and there's no getting around the already established reputation of the 1911. In short, it wasn't better enough.
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@BigSwede7403 True, but good luck having the wherewithal to do that in a moment of panic.
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Debatable, I think some of the changes to the spring designs are clever and practical from both a production and service standpoint. But I do think the mag safety was a bad call. Regardless, there was no way it'd replace the 1911 even if it was better.
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I just noticed that this example doesn't have the scallop cuts behind the trigger like it should. Every Obregon I've seen, which admittedly was only a handful, had the scalloped cuts. Strange.
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