Comments by "Sebastian Nolte" (@sebastiannolte1201) on "What's Really Happening At CERN" video.
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Why not? Who started that stupid idea that at a public funded science facility, where many people work, that is open for everybody, where you can make an internship, where students write their PhD, which has the goal to public scientific results open for everybody etc, works secretly on some weird, demonic, dangerous,... stuff? It is not a military base. It is just a particle collider. We also have one in Hamburg, Germany. I made my high school internship at the university in Dortmund, physics department. They had a an experiment at the collider in Hamburg, my internship mentor worked on his PhD there.
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Who is "they"? CERN stand for "Conseil européen pour la recherche nucléaire", the European Organization for Nuclear Research , founded in 1954. Their first collider opened in 1957, the LHC is the newest. There are others, for example in Hamburg, Germany. In High school I did my internship at a German university, the physics department. They had an experiment at the Hamburg collider. My internship mentor made ist PhD there. It is just nerdy science stuff. And CERN is public funded, everything has to be open, the results are open. Just study physics somewhere, make your PhD there etc. Actually they are begging for funding, like every science experiments. Have you even done ANY research about CERN? Have you study their website?
Who even came up with this weird conspiracy theories about it? I guess I also should troll the internet and start similar bullshit about DESY, the collider in Hamburg, would be fun, because gullible people like you suddenly would believe this nonsense.
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"Their symbol is literally 666 withing each other "
From the CERN FAQ:
The shapes in CERN’s current logo represent particle accelerators. The logo in this form dates back to 1968, when a decision was made to change the CERN logo from the original one, seen here. Some 114 new designs were proposed, many of which used CERN’s experiments as inspiration. The final design used the original lettering, surrounded by a schematic of a synchrotron, beam lines and particle tracks. Today’s logo is a simplified version of this.
", thier opening ceremony was bizzare satanic ritual,"
Let me guess: You have seen the opening ceremony of the Gotthard tunnel, which has absolutely nothing to do with CERN. But somebody on the internet claims that it was the opening ceremony of CERN. And you are so gullible and blindly believe it instead of looking it up.
" they have shiva state the hindu god of destruction at the door "
From the CERN FAQ:
The Shiva statue was a gift from India to celebrate its association with CERN, which started in the 1960’s and remains strong today. In the Hindu religion, Lord Shiva practiced Nataraj dance which symbolises Shakti, or life force. This deity was chosen by the Indian government because of a metaphor that was drawn between the cosmic dance of the Nataraj and the modern study of the ‘cosmic dance’ of subatomic particles. India is one of CERN’s associate member states. CERN is a multicultural organisation that welcomes scientists from more than 100 countries and 680 institutions. The Shiva statue is only one of the many statues and art pieces at CERN.
",this little demon here try to distract people"
It is just a particle accelerator! There is also one in Hamburg, Germany. I did a school internship in 10th grade at the physics department of a university in Germany, and they worked on an experiment at the particle accelerator in Hamburg. It is just nerdy (most people would say: boring) science stuff. I thought I knew all conspiracy theories, also the religious inspired. And with some of them I could at least understand where it comes from. But when I heard the first time this stuff about CERN I thought: "Really? A particle accelerator now is something satanic???" That is so weird.
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Who says that "we go created from Big Bang"? The analogy with the tornado is wrong, because there are no physical laws and forces that would do it. The Big Bang theory just says, that the universe had a beginning, so where time and space started (it was invented by a Christian priest BTW and critisized back then by some scientists who thought it was too religious, so like somebody was looking for a theory that is compatible with their belief in a creator). So the entire universe was cramped in an unlimited small singularity as pure energy (we don't know what was before or who made that in the first place; that is not part of the theory). And then it expands and from that energy the leptones and quarks were built. And then those formed the protons and neutrons. And that formed the first atoms. and later the connect to bigger molecules. We all can observe that, it is just particle physics (what they do in the particle collider) and chemistry. And because of gravity the atoms come together, and so balls are formed, getting bigger an bigger. When that happens with hydrogen, the pressure will finally so big that it becomes a star. And other elements form rocklike bodys, that become moon and planets. And carbon has the chemical features to form long and complex molecules, so you go carbon compunds. And they finally became the first amino acids, and finally the first living cell.
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Unlike you, I have done my research. In the FAQ on the CERN Website:
Why does CERN have a statue of Shiva?
The Shiva statue was a gift from India to celebrate its association with CERN, which started in the 1960’s and remains strong today. In the Hindu religion, Lord Shiva practiced Nataraj dance which symbolises Shakti, or life force. This deity was chosen by the Indian government because of a metaphor that was drawn between the cosmic dance of the Nataraj and the modern study of the ‘cosmic dance’ of subatomic particles. India is one of CERN’s associate member states. CERN is a multicultural organisation that welcomes scientists from more than 100 countries and 680 institutions. The Shiva statue is only one of the many statues and art pieces at CERN.
What are the shapes in the CERN logo?
The shapes in CERN’s current logo represent particle accelerators. The logo in this form dates back to 1968, when a decision was made to change the CERN logo from the original one, seen here. Some 114 new designs were proposed, many of which used CERN’s experiments as inspiration. The final design used the original lettering, surrounded by a schematic of a synchrotron, beam lines and particle tracks. Today’s logo is a simplified version of this.
I saw a video of a strange ritual at CERN, is it real?
No, this video from summer 2016 was a work of fiction showing a contrived scene. CERN does not condone this kind of action, which breaches CERN’s professional guidelines. Those involved were identified and apropriate measures taken.
It is just a particle collider. There is also one in Hamburg, Germany (DESY). More than 20 years ago I made my high school internship at the physics department of a university. And they also worked on an experiment at DESY. My internship supervisor made his PhD there. It is just nerdy theoretical science stuff, that most people would find boring. And it is all public funded, like CERN. Just go there, as a visitor, but you can also work there, students make their PhD there... I was familiar with many conspiracy theories but the first time I heard that some people actually claimed these weird things about CERN I thought "What? Really? How come people to such stupid ideas?"
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@jimhrn8522
" Shiva is not a little g god . ( There is only one god in three persons ) Shiva is a demon and they are real and legion you may need some alternative study material to understand what you/ they ? Are playing with "
So are you an expert in Indian culture and religion? Actually it doesn't matter what Shiva could be. The point is: It is a gift by the Indian government. Do you have prove that it is not?
Imagine I get new neighbors, nice people, I invent them for diner to welcome them. They are from India and as a gift they bring a Shiva statue. I say "Oh, thank you" and I put in in the shelf in my living room. Now you come to visit me and see the Shiva Statue. Would you also say that I am an evil person who probably does some demonic stuff in my house - just because I have something in my home that my neighbors gifted me with good intentions?
BTW I am a guy not a lady 🙂 And I don't want to insult you, but unfortunately the people who come with conspiracy theories are the one who are disrespectful. Imagine I would spread on the internet, that you make satanic rituals in your basement and rape children there. And so other people think that you are evil and evil things happens at your home. Would you like that? No. I would be a horrible person if I would do that. We call that slander. And I don't think Jesus would like it if I spread lies about other people, right?
And here we have research facility, that exist for decades, now runs the biggest particle collider in the world. Good and smart people work there, they find out fascinating stuff about how our creation works. And now you claim, that they secretly do evil things. Sorry, but that is not nice of you. That is slander. You spreading lies about people.
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@Singmen64 I really appreciate, that you are actually interested in answers (usually I write something like that and get no answer or just "Sheep, you work for the government" or something like that...)
So Switzerland is famous for its tunnels, and the Gotthard base tunnel is the longest railway tunnel in the world, so the opening is a big deal. And so they make a big opening, two days of party with many visitors etc. And as the tunnel is important also for economy, for transport stuff between North and South Europe, leaders from Germany, France and Italy were invited. And it is not unusual that you make a ceremony, like you also see for the opening for the olympic games for example. And to hire an artist for that. An in this case it was Volker Hesse, a German theater producer.
The performance is a bout the myth of the Alps, its wild nature, and how humans finally overcame them over the centuries. By building roads and tunnels. The Goat is not Satan - instead this type of goat (Capra ibex) is a typical animal in the Alps, a symbol for the region. You also find it on some regional flags and heraldry in Switzerland. And some creatures also are from Swiss folklore and you see them on traditional parades.
However, I don't want to say it is "complete normal", but ist is just weird in a way that modern theater is. So that it is often pretentious and the director have to explain "This and that represents this and that",... When you see some modern interpretation of a Shakespear piece, which is set in modern days, very abstract, people are naked or wear weird stuff... or perfomance art, where most people watch and think "Well, OK, ..." Somebody of a right wing swiss party also made a statement, that critcsized the perfomance, it doesn't represents Switzerland etc. And I guess many of the official guests thought "What is that???" , but then still smiled :-)
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"The ritual was a ‘prank’? "
Yes. When a group of students do something like that on the Campus of a university, would you also say that the entire University does some satanic stuff?
" One of the highest guarded and secure places on earth "
Where do you got that weird idea from? It is funded by public money, everything is open, transparent... thousands of people work there, universities work together with it, people make their PhD there, students from high school an internship.... Have you gone through their website for example? There is also a particle collider in Hamburg, German. I made my school internship at a university in Germany in the physics department, who made experiments with the collider. It is just nerd stuff, not glamourous. When did people start with the weird conspiracy theories about it? I really don't get it.
"who did the ritual, who gave the ok for them to do it on the property and most importantly why did they do it?"
There is a wikipedia article "CERN ritual hoax". Quote from there (with sources, so you can also follow them":
A CERN spokesperson stated that the video was a prank and that no one was actually harmed.[3] CERN stated in its FAQ that the video was "fiction" and the actions were outside its professional guidelines and without any official permission.[4] CERN stated that it "doesn't tolerate this kind of spoof" and that it can "give rise to misunderstandings about the scientific nature of our work"
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