Comments by "Sebastian Nolte" (@sebastiannolte1201) on "Veritasium"
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Pluto was Planet 9 from 1930 to 2006. In 1846 Neptune was Planet 13. Then Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, Juno and Astrea were "kicked out" and downgraded to "asteroids". Meanwhile Ceres counts not as an asteroid anymore, but as a dwarf planet like Pluto.
So if Pluto stays a planet in your heart and you don't accept its downgrade in 2006, then I say: Ceres will always be a planet in my heart and I will not accept its downgrade to asteroid in 1850.
But if you count Pluto as planet, then they are not looking for planet ten. Because you should count Eris then counts as Planet (about the same size as Pluto, but more mass) then. And also Makemake and Haumea. You know, the other objects in the Kuiper Belt, whose discovery was one of the reason that Pluto is not a planet anymore, because they all would be planets then.
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"always has been always will be."
Wrong. It was not always the 9th planet. In 1846 Neptune was discovered - as the 13 th planet. The other were Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Ceres, Pallas, Juno, Vesta, Astrea, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus.
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Well, stars emit lights, Planets don't. Imagine it is completely dark, what do you see: A car that is only 10 meters away that has its headlights off? Or a car that is 100 meters away, but has it headlights on? You can see starswithyour naked eye although they are so trillion of kilometers away - because they are shining.
Less obvious is the finding of planets. Yes, we actually have found planets in other solar systems, although they are much further away than Planet 9 would be. But we find it with indirect methods. Imagine it is totally dark and two black birds are flying through thee air, one is 5 meters away, the other is 50 meter away. But the one that is 50 m away flies in front of the moon. Which one would you see? the 50 meter one! Because you can see its sillouette in front of the moon. And in a similar way we see planets that passes their star. Not really the silloutte, that is too far away, but when we observed some stars for a while then we noticed, that they periodically become darker for a short time. That obviously means, that a planet orbits that stars and sometimes get between us and the star.
And we can even notice if the planet has an atmosphere or what elements are in theatmosphere, because its not only that the planet just blocks the light of thee star, so that there is less light, but we see that the spectrum changes. That means that the atmosphere blocks certain frequences ("colors") of the light.
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So you have been been Mars or how do you know about the details of atmosphere of Mars? It is so funny and stupid: The same people who tells you what the atmosphere of Mars is like, also built this helicopter, made for the thin atmosphere of Mars.
Why don't you just actually debunk it? So take the data they are given to you about the atmosphere of Mars, and the data you have about the helicopter and calculate if it works? Or make a simulation. Oh, you can't, because you are not an engineer? Then just shut up. It is so weird, I wonder how you even think this hoax and conspiracy should work. The JPL in Pasadena is well connected to the Caltech. So probably even engineering students from the the Caltech work on things like this.
It is the same with the Van Allen Belt: I always read "it is not possible to pass the Van Allen Belt" as an "argument" by people who don't believe in the moon landings. That just makes NO SENSE! Because these people have not been there to measure the radiation there. Instead, the same people, who tells them that there is a radiation belt in the first place, also tells, that it is possible to pass it. So how can you say that we cannot pass the Van Allen Belt? It is ridiculous.
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Let's assume that people in ancient times really had the same knowledge that we have today - or even more knowlegde,so that they knew about the suppsoed planet, that this video is about.
Then it still makes no sense that you try to fit numbers here. The definition of "planet" is more or less arbitrary. It is man made. And so it changes. There are thousands of objects that orbit the sun, and we picked eight of them to put them in a certain category. Why should the old Germans also take exactly those and put them in a special category? In 1850 we had 13 planets, but then scientists decided, that we don't call Ceres, Vesta, Juno, Pallas, Astrea "planets" anymore, so we had 8. Then Pluto was discovered in 1930 and we had 9 planets. In 2006 more "planets" were discovered in the Kuiper Belt that are similar to Pluto, but instead of calling them also planets, they decied to not call Pluto a planet anymore. So we have only 8 planets again.
The number of "planets" is not the result of knowledge, but of definitions.
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Force = mass * acceleration.
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acceleration = Force/mass.
That is a fact, that has nothing to do with gravity. So a heavier car with the same engine (so same power) has a slower accerlation than a lighter car. Or: When two cars have the same mass, that one with the more powerfull engine accelerates faster. So the special thing about gravity is, that it depends on the mass. I mean, of course, you experience it by yourself: An object with high mass is pulled to the ground with a stronger force than an object with lower mass. So an object with twice the mass also is pulled down with twice the force. But as you see in the formula above: Twice the mass means, that an object also needs twice the force for the same accelration. So that means, that all objects fall down with the same speed independet from there mass. Now when you are in a condition, where the gravity is lower, then it is lower in genereal, for everything.
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No, Pluto is the 14th planet. The others are:
Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Ceres, Pallas, Juno, Vesta, Astrea, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune
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@Oldhardy I also want to say: Think about it. There are thousands of aerospace engineers in the people. Pople who actually build stuff like that, work in that field, have studied this. Why haven't anybody said yet, that it doesn't work? I can imagine, that at several universities in the world, professors even use this as exercises or examns for students involving this thing. And as I said, also the JPL is just a part of a big university, nobody prevents you from working there or study. You really think the people in the video are actors?
Or think about it from the other side: Even regular criminals put effort into complex plans, getting alibis etc, so that investigators don't find out, who the commiter is. And if often works. But a big federal agency, with a big budget, resources, access to intelligence agencies,... make up a hoax story about a Mars mission and present something very open and offensive (it is in every media, you can get much information about it...), that can be easily debunked by a model helicopter pilot? Really, that is what you believe? That NASA etc. are THAT stupid?
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Why can you see an airplane with your naked at the sky that is 10 kilometers away, but not a mosquito, that is only 10 meters away? ;-) But it is not only the size, especially not in this case. If we want to see something, then light rays from that object has to reach our eye (or a camera...). And there are two options:
- the object itself sends lights
- the objects reflects lights.
Nearly all the stars that we see are - well, stars. So they emit light. So we can see them, even if they are far away. The only objects that we can see, although they don't emit light, are the planets in our solar system. They are so close to the sun, that they reflect enough of its light so that we can see it. Yes, we have meanwhile found planets in other solar systems, so that are further away then Planet 9. But we haven't actually "seen" them. Instead we noticed them, whe they passes their star, so that the star became darker from time to time. So you can say we see the silhouette of the planet when it moves between its star and us (not really, too far away to see a clear sillouette, but you get the idea.
But planet 9
- doesn't emit light by itself
- is so far away from the sun, that it doesn't reflect much of its light
- doesn't move in front of a light background so that we could see the silouette)
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Sorry, but just because YOU don't understand it, it doesn't mean that they don't know what they are talking about. "9 planets as fact"? That was never the case, it was just the state of knowledge. We talk about science, not religion. In science nobody claims "we have 9 planets and that is the ultimate truth". Instead we said "At the moment we have found nine objects, that we call planets".
In ancient times people knew about five planets: Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn. Because those are the ones you can see with the naked eye. Then people realize, that earth itself is a planet, so we had six. After the telescope was invented we found Uranus, so we had seven. In the beginning of the 19th century we discovered smaller planets between Mars and Jupiter: Ceres, Pallas, Juno, Vestra, Astrea. And in 1846 Neptun was discovered - and like explaineed in the video, the idea for the existing of a planet beyond Uranus came before because of the anormalies in the motion of Uranus. So we had 13 planets.
But at the time we also find more and more small objects between mars and jupiter and so they decided: We cannot call them all "planets", it would be hundreds then. So let's define a new category "asteroids" for all these objects. So Ceres, Pallas, Juno, Vestra and Astrea were no planets anymore, so there were only eight planets.
Then in 1930 Pluto was discovered, so we had nine planets. In 2005 Eris was discovered, and the same discussion started as back in the 1850s: There are obviously much more objects in a belt beyond Neptune. Should they all be planets? And so the International Astronomers Union made a ne definition for planet, and Pluto didn't fullfill it. So we had again eight planets.
And like back then with Uranus, the motion of the known planets indicates that there is another big object out there.
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