Comments by "Ficus-lovin\x27 Capybara N\x27 pals • 🌟 • 25 yrs ago" (@YourCapybaraAmigo_17yrsago) on "Does Commodity Production Exist Under Socialism?" video.

  1. I don't have the time or discipline to read theory right now. It would be an utter waste of time. I don't need a book to tell me what I know to be right and wrong. I'm 40 and I'm behind on too many damn things as it is. Reading is for kids with no life that don't have any responsibilities or students. So on that fun note, let's cut to the chase. Hakim I'm confused. Collective farms? What in God's fucking asshole is this shit? You're telling me people shouldn't be able to have their own small family farm? Im sorry but I CAN'T support that. I aspire myself to have have a small holistic family farm someday. I'm not saying people can't go in voluntarily with their neighbors or community, I think that's a beautiful thing when it's taken on as a community project voluntarily. Look I'm very Left but isn't it true that the forced collective farming killed thousands? How would you feel if you worked hard all your life on your family's farm and some State ghoul came along and said "this isn't yours anymore go be a farm slave with 200 other farm slaves on this State land over here"? Would you REALLY appreciate that?? God damnit PRIVATE PROPERTY MATTERS!!!!! THIS IS NOT THE SAME THING AS BIG UNREGULATED UNFETTERED MONOPOLY BIG BUSINESS CAPITALISM I'M TALKING ABOUT AT THE FAMILY LEVEL AT THE COMMUNITY LEVEL AND AT THE PERSONAL LEVEL PRIVATE PROPERTY MATTERS GOD DAMMIT. Are we all just to be drones for the State?? Because by God I don't want that anymore than I want to live in a dystopian ultra-capitalist hellscape. Why do you state communists always have to take it too far? Do you not see exactly where this plays into all of the anti-communist criticisms in the heated rhetoric from the center and the right? I'm not saying we shouldn't have a more socialist economy and that everyone doesn't have the right to a basic standard of living. But people want something that is their OWN. Surely you can understand this. How are people supposed to live? In dormitories? Maybe we shouldn't have any private homes for families anymore everyone should just live with everyone else in dorm like conditions? Who needs privacy!? Maybe we shouldn't even have families anymore maybe we should just wait for big government to assign us a mate like in the handmaid's tale is this what you want??? Where does it end???? Who needs personal space or private property anymore??? Nobody gets a yard anymore, God forbid that's private!! Having the State commit grand theft of small-scale farming communities is not exactly going to engender my respect for whatever it's supposed reformist agenda is. The problem in the modern age is large-scale ginormous monopolistic big Capital aka Big Business and the big corporation. As for what existed back in 1917 in Russia yes it was mostly agrarian. I'm assuming the only elites was the small aristocracy at the time. It was a completely different universe. But without knowing more, forced collectivization sounds like a TERRIBLE dystopian thing and far from catalyzing support amongst the farming families I can only imagine it nurtured huge resentment and hatred for forcibly dispossessing them of their families' ancestral lands that they had put their blood sweat and tears into for generations! There IS such a thing as pride and ownership and I tell you this- if ANYONE from the government came to try to take my family's homestead and lands I would fight them to the death. Really, we have to do better than this if we want the world to accept Leftist and communist principles. Don't get me wrong Hakim I think you're great and if you think I have my facts misplaced on this one feel free to let me know but I can't agree with you on this point. I'm sorry I have to draw a line I cannot follow you ultra-communists down this particular rabbit hole. There is a happy medium. People should be able to own their own property and land and, within fairly low limits, more than one home. People should be able to own their own farms for god's sake!!!!! It's not private ownership that's the problem it's unfettered corporatism. aw fuck what the fuck. Go ahead please it's nothing personal explain to me why you think I'm wrong. You people just go way too far. If you think the millions of average families want to live in a commune like summer camp you're wrong. Now I've got nothing against communes and communal living for those who want it. Do you guys not care at all about free will and consent for god sakes????? Oh tyranny is fine if it comes from the so-called Left? Have you guys even thought this one through at all or are you too lost in your own echo chamber? How far do you think your support amongst the general public would run if one of your first moves was to dispossess them of their private land holdings, not the corporations mind you, but private individual households. Don't you THINK we should greatly limit and expropriate the holdings of the corporate giants? The whole point is to take back what the corporations have stolen from us over the past 80 years. As for what individual households do or have that's immaterial. And if you kids can't see that then you're really getting lost in the weeds and missing the WHOLE fucking point from my perspective. And what do you mean by commodity???? Basic consumer goods? So when your ideal society people shouldn't be able to go buy basic consumer goods like a kitchen mop, an area rug and some decorative plants from their favorite establishment? So what, the State's going to just magically be able to prevent provide all this? That's the height of nonsense. Are you saying you don't want to have a private market at all? Because I'm going to tell you right now you're smoking a sugared dickstick if that's true. Why do you absolute us always have to take it so God damn far why do you always have to be so goddamn extremist? Believe me I believe there should be strong controls on the market, I don't like large corporations and I would like something to be done about them, we need wedge controls, price controls rent controls all of that in spades and I'll be the first to demand it, but if you're to ask me should we just have no market whatsoever? When markets have existed from the times that humans have been alive- considering that from the earliest human organized existence they have traded with each other and markets spring up to facilitate this trade and eventually buying and selling, then I think you're living in a fantasy world! Why in the fuck would I want to live in a society where I couldn't open up my own shop if I wanted to? Where I couldn't put my blood sweat and tears into an enterprise, build It up from nothing, and watch it grow? Not to become some giant dystopian nightmare but to become a respectable small or medium sized enterprise where I and the other workers were equal partners and we worked together; where we shared the profits and the responsibilities?? No I don't agree employers should be able to take the majority of the value that workers produce, but does that mean I don't believe in a private market, no it does not! That's like saying I recognize that SOME relationships are toxic and destructive does that mean I'm against the existence of intimate relationships? Of course not! You're throwing the baby out with the goddamn bath water! How am I wrong????
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