Comments by "Ficus-lovin\x27 Capybara N\x27 pals • 🌟 • 25 yrs ago" (@YourCapybaraAmigo_17yrsago) on "The New Atlas"
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Sounds like the RF decision-makers are doing everything in their power to prevent loss of life especially civilian loss of life and to end this conflict without any further bloodshed or property damage. Zielinski should wise up. It is obvious no Western power is going to come to his aid, certainly not the US, so what does he have to gain by putting out an order for any of his ground forces to continue? He's either being real stupid or naive, I don't know which. They're not going to be able to win this conflict, that should have been obvious before it even started. And if it wasn't then, it sure is heck should be now. Looks like Putin has effectively proved his point so far. And all they wanted was simple neutrality and meeting them halfway on his security concerns; that's all Zielinsky had to do from the beginning. But instead he would rather be the tool of the West, well mainly just the US, cuz I don't think the EU was trying to provoke this the way the US did. I would hope they have better things to do.
The US's agenda was always to go after Russia. And of course they're more than happy to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. our state department sure does love at some proxy wars.
At this point if Zelensky has any brains at all he will cut his losses and agree to end the conflict and sit down at the negotiating table with Putin, which is what Putin asked him months and months ago. But I've also heard that Zelinsky is just a figurehead at this point, and that the actual military orders are coming from the Azovs and other Nazi-like elements within the military structure and elsewhere in his government, and that they're the ones who are setting the agenda and basically telling Zelinsky what to do and say. I've even heard that he's been threatened that if he gives one inch to Russia they will basically assassinate him, tho I don't know if it's true or not.
Bottom line, if the Azovs want to sacrifice themselves in a fruitless continuation of this conflict with the RF, they can do so, but they have no right to trap others inside with them whether they be other Ukrainian non-nazi average military soldiers or any of the local civilians. Guess they were foolish enough to think that their puppet president in Kiev was going to somehow be able to get NATO forces to come to their aid, not realizing that the rest of Europe has no intention of being drawn into this regional conflict and that the US is only using their fanaticism and brutality and their penchant for violence as a useful pawn as part of a much larger strategy of continuing aggressive provocational moves against Russia. In short, the US was just using them, as they use everybody, and they're foolish to count on it. And now knowing that they have a decision to make- fight to the death or try to come out of this alive. Guess the choice is up to them.
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It seems so obvious now that the Azovs and other similar groups are totally, totally the commanding force; the main nfluencing force; and the controlling force within the Ukrainian military now. Nobody wants to see any non-combatants aka civilians on either side be harmed, but for anyone to imply that we should feel sympathy for these unabashed ultra Nazi supporters is just a sad state of affairs- and shame on the Western MSM to consistently try to bury this rather important fact as they are and continue to do.
I don't care which country it's from- if a nation's military has been taken over or has become essentially a modern-day Nazi detachment, I support any country who goes against them. We cannot allow something like this to continue to fester and grow in the modern world. These people do great violence and they are stuck on an ideology of hate and misplaced fanaticism, and it is the duty of any decent organization and leadership to oppose such groups and to support any who would take up arms against them. If we could de-radicalize them without violence then by all means we should do so, but clearly in this particular case that seems impossible. It seems way too late for that at this point and now, whether or not we can deprogram any particular Azov soldier, at a minimum we need to bring their reign of tyranny and violence to an end, and for that reason alone but also in addition to others I support Russia in its current venture.
Again I respect any persons right to feel pride in their country but what these guys are doing is clearly far more than that. They claim white and national supremacy and use that as an excuse for ethnic cleansing within their own borders (not to mention all the violence during the night of the coup in 2014). Anywhere else they would be considered a domestic terrorist cell out of control.
They have the right to feel pride of country, even superiority if they want, but NOT to leap to mass murder, heavy violence, or sustained attacks on local military and civilians.
That alone justifies anyone's interference as far as I'm concerned. Should they be allowed to continue another 20 years without any attempts to stop them? Clearly something had to be done, and in addition to the ongoing NATO problem, Moscow chose to act, and I can't blame them for that. I doubt this action was taken lightly.
Life is a constant battle of choosing when to act and when not to act. These interlocking situations clearly fall within the justification for action in my mind, and I would think other reasonable people would agree.
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@LanaLion517 sounds like the RF decision-makers are doing everything in their power to prevent loss of life especially civilian loss of life and to end this conflict without any further bloodshed or property damage. Zielinski should wise up. It is obvious no Western power is going to come to his aid, certainly not the US, so what does he have to gain by putting out an order for any of his ground forces to continue? He's either being real stupid or naive. I don't know which. They're not going to be able to win this conflict, that should have been obvious before it even started. And if it wasn't then, it sure is heck should be now. Looks like Putin has effectively proved his point so far. And all they wanted was simple neutrality and meeting them halfway on his security concerns; that's all zielinsky had to do from the beginning. But instead he would rather be the tool of the West, well mainly just the US cuz I don't think the EU was trying to provoke this the way the US did. I would hope they have better things to do.
The US is agenda was always to go after Russia, or I should say our State Department does. And of course they're more than happy to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. At this point if Zelensky has any brains at all he will cut his losses and agree to end the conflict and sit down at the negotiating table with Putin which is what Putin asked him months and months ago. But I've also heard that zelinsky is just a figurehead at this point and that the actual military orders are coming from the Azovs and other Nazi-like elements within the military structure and elsewhere in his government, and that they're the ones who are setting the agenda and basically telling Zelinsky what to do and say at this point.
Bottom line, if the Azovs want to sacrifice themselves in a fruitless continuation of this conflict with the RF, they can do so, but they have no right to trap others inside with them whether they be other Ukrainian non-nazi average military soldiers or any of the local civilians. Guess they were foolish enough to think that their puppet president in Kiev was going to somehow be able to get NATO forces to come to their aid, not realizing that the rest of Europe has no intention of being drawn into this regional conflict and that the US is only using their fanaticism and brutality and their penchant for violence as a useful pawn as part of a much larger strategy of continuing aggressive provocational moves against Russia. In short, the US was just using them, as they use everybody, and they're foolish to count on it. And now knowing that they have a decision to make- fight to the death or try to come out of this alive. Guess the choices up to them.
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@jeffsartadventure3634 Because people were left high and dry. I live in the US too man. you know how bogus everybody in public office is here. You think they give a s*** about us ordinary nobodies? Of course not. And that goes equally for both parties. The Dems are a little bit better and if it were up to the GOP filth we wouldn't have got a dime, but they also serve the big money and the rest of us don't matter to them. The reason why the lockdowns caused problems here is because our covid relief was deplorable and insufficient, there was basically no relief coming over the hill for people who were put out of business or lost their job because of covid, they were left to swing in the breeze, meanwhile the top 2%, the big corporate sector, got billions in handouts from our federales up in DC. You do understand that don't you? Our govt didn't provide any material and financial support during this process. Anyone who lost their livelihood or business was left to twist in the breeze. Yes there was an eviction moratorium for a while, but those of all been lifted and they were pretty porous even while they were in place. Hundreds of thousands if not millions were unjustly evicted before during and after the moratorium, and it's still going on now even though the news isn't covering it anymore. Of course a lockdown is going to cause harm to people if proper protections aren't put into place by the local state or federal government so that people can be on lockdown. you can't rightly lock people down and then blame those very same people for losing their jobs due to covid and then allow their landlord to evict them which is exactly what has happened all over the United States and it still happening right now. The people in our government local, state, and federal are the most morally bankrupt self-serving trash that could scam people into voting for them. They do NOT care about the bottom 90% and in some cases they don't care about the bottom 99%. They serve the elite and they sell themselves CONSTANTLY.
They are 100% for hire to the highest bidder; I mean our government is FOR SALE. They call it lobbying and campaign donations, but what it really is is bribes and GRAFT and dark money and not so dark money. That's just how it works here.
This is a banana republic we live in in case you didn't know.
What little covid relief and eviction pauses were provided were significantly inadequate to meet the need. that's what brought the harm from the so-called lockdowns we never really even had a true lockdown anyway I mean nobody was stopped from leaving their domicile it was just recommended that people remain at home as much as possible during covid of 2020 and the first half of 2021.
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As a 9/11-era veteran and a US citizen, it is now obvious to me drone strikes are a great evil and do NOTHING to promote peace either for us or anywhere in the world. They should be fully banned for air-to-ground use, along with chemical weapons and land mines, under international law.
All my govt and the Pentagon stands for is mass murder and deliberate savagery for any reason, and an incredible scale of destruction to already impoverished or undeveloped countries.
I wouldn't cry for genuine ISIS deaths or other committed terrorists, but as it has now been proven, drones rarely if EVER remove those types of individuals and when and if they do, it's ALWAYS along with some amount of innocent civilians or non-combatants. As the revelations prove and this recent incident is just more perfect proof of, drones almost exclusively kill innocent people including children. That isn't the kind of battle I ever signed up to fight.
Just because we have the technology doesn't mean we have the right to commit egregious mass murder overseas in poor parts of the world to people who might look different than us. Those govts NEVER declared war on us and never took up arms against us. My govts foreign policies are evil, and I will proudly stand against them FOREVER, unless they radically change.
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