Comments by "David H" (@DavidHalko) on "Engineering Explained"
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@Assimilator1 - there is no conversion cost for a car, a car can run on H2 or Gas, like this car does, and people can just fill up on H2 or gasoline. This is really the proverbial Holy Grail… kind of like a plug in hybrid.
Honestly, gasoline will likely never go away in anyone’s lifetime, today. Yard equipment, existing cars, portable generators, etc. The energy density of liquid fuel is amazing.
As far as NOx, hydrogen produces fewer than existing combustion engines. H2 is being used in Europe, to inject into existing diesel engines, to reduce NOx emissions, today. NOx can be reduced, over time.
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The battery electric vehicles have the same problem as the organic fuel combustion engine… the battery & fuel are both consumables.
After 5-7 years, the battery will be disposed of and need replacing. The gasoline just needs to be replaced faster (weekly). The same way we may run out of oil, we may run out of battery precursors (lithium.)
The hydrogen fuel cell becomes the [expensive] consumable with Hydrogen cars (that are not burning/oxidizing hydrogen, which is less efficient.)
For sustainability reasons, Hydrogen combustion or Synthetic Fuel combustion is preferred. (100% recyclable & precursors accessible everywhere.)
There is nothing to say that Hydrogen or Synthetic Fuel can not be made at someone’s home or in fuel stations, so the transportation issue disappears.
Hydrogen or synthetic fuel hold a lot of power per liter, both are effectively limitless, both are 100% recyclable, Both can be transported via existing transportation networks.
The loss of efficiency can be overcome with technology, and if not, the sustainability aspect still trumps the others… if for no other reason than to burn in an electric car as a generator driving super capacitors (no batteries needed.).
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The amount of energy held in liquid fuel cars is absolutely amazing!
I have 1/5th of the batteries from a Mach-E at my house, enough to run the house for 24 hours. People really don’t understand how much power is in an EV.
Where I live, there are tons of apartments, no way to charge EV’s, so now all the spare retain space is being purchased by gasoline stations… not for gasoline, but for the anticipation of EV charging points. These will all be fast chargers.
Honestly, for the rich and upper middle class, EV’s are a benefit. For the rest, it is an expensive tax on the poor, and a huge liability to the power grid.
Imagine pulling 5x the power needed in a day to keep a home running and sticking into each car, in 20 minutes, multiplied by hundreds of cars along a road leading to multiple apartment complexes… when people are going home and going to work every day… when solar power is not producing much power.
This means all this power is all going to be driven by carbon based fuels, to supply peak power demands.
This is going to be a nightmare.
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@jnawk83 - “do this overnight”
Read the previous post.
In high density apartments, this is impractical… so filling stations with fast chargers 🔌 are buying up all the retail space. Apartment dwellers will not park their cars 🚙 at filling stations overnight
“toaster or air conditioner”
The car 🚙 will require the same number of KW, charged slow or fast. The number of amps, for the fast charge, is much higher, as you are trying to suggest!
An EV is no toaster or AC. Even ovens & AC pause as temperature targets are reached, EV’s suck unbelievable quantities of power, continually, until charged… the power needed is massive!
Even charging at slowly at night, with a car taking 5 days of the energy of a home 🏠, and ~2 cars per home, this means an incredible amount of energy is needed at night, when solar panels are not producing energy, this means cars 🚙 are charged using carbon fuels... marginal carbon savings.
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“Hydrogen combustion… not worth doing?”
He mentioned in the video that there were disadvantages to port based fuel injection, this technology is ~20 years old, and better ways exist as he also said in the video, if the goal is also to get more horsepower out of it.
Hydrogen is still likely a superior solution for high torque needs, like fully loaded tractor trailers and goods transportation over mountainous inclines.
Since gasoline exists today, this concept car is a great way for regular daily drivers to run on hydrogen, where gasoline can be used for those stations where hydrogen is not yet available. This was a realistic car for a short term transition (maybe 10—20 years) from gasoline to hydrogen, using ~20 year old technology.
“Ethanol… carbon neutral fuel”
Since ethanol can be created out of CO2 in the atmosphere, plus a little water, this is a great option, as liquid fuel holds a lot of energy in a very condensed space! If the engines are designed to run on ethanol & gasoline, then this is a great transition option!
The modern shift to gaseous hydrogen with fuel cells is a notable shift, reducing complexity, as electric components become more readily available, eliminating the battery problem in EV’s.
The option of injecting hydrogen into a diesel engine, after filling up your vehicle with diesel & water, with on-vehicle electrolysis, is a great combustion fuel extender… producing less emissions & better mileage on a vehicle.
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Sometimes, these types of videos are counter-productive, turning something helpful into a general gripe session.
I am personally well aware of the consequences of lead, after a friend’s child invested lead post home-improvement project on porch with white paint.
Griping about lack of centralized regulation, which effectively expanded the lead problem to begin with as you so effectively illustrated, is part of the reason for the problem.
Reducing the regulation, so expensive certificates are not needed to make an engine run lead free, is the best option, and allow people to go lead free on their planes.
When The Market has a choice to stop poisoning themselves, they will do so, as soon as they can affordably do so, as long as there is not a mind/physical altering addiction involved.
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@ColtonRDean - “why bother with the hydrogen?”
Hydrogen can be made in any nation,
Hydrogen can supplement & replace NG,
Hydrogen can supplement & replace gasoline & diesel,
Hydrogen can take unreliable electricity ⚡️ from Solar 🌞 & wind 💨, store it in compressed gas or liquid or ammonia form, and then release it for energy production during peak usage times to stabilize the grid.
Hydrogen based Ammonia can also be used to create plastics, which wind 💨 and solar ☀️ panels have no way of replacing from drilled oil.
Hydrogen is inherently portable, not requiring the strip mining & child labor & slave labor used to make large batteries 🪫 needed to make electricity portable, where lithium battery recycling is energy & labor intensive & not really widespread.
Hydrogen solves so many renewable energy problems, that solar ☀️ and wind 💨 have not addressed, there will be an abundance of H2 which can also be leveraged for automobile 🚙 & truck 🛻 & train 🚊 & airplane ✈️ usage… today…
Until H2 is widespread, gasoline can still be available for the transition, until gasoline is no longer available.
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@armandsimonis7992 - “a battery for EV’s can be made without any cobalt”
But this is not happening for a reason, the energy density of those batteries suck. Gasoline holds an order of magnitude more energy.
“Child labor… not used for cobalt used by…”
As Sept 2021, of the 255,000 Congolese mining for cobalt, 40,000 are children, some as young as six years.
Chinese rechargeable battery industry accounts for around 60% of global cobalt demand… how many of the EV batteries are coming from China?
China is not very clear on their supply chain.
How about the slave labor being used in China, in East Turkistan, for battery manufacturing?
Tibet, a toxic chemical leak from the Ganzizhou Rongda Lithium mine poisoned the local Lichu river, your batteries come from there? (This has been going on since 2005 and still happening!)
How about the sink holes forming around the lithium mining in South & Central America? (Sucking brackish water out of aquifers, to evaporate & harvest lithium, and the holes occur.)
This dependency on this crap has to go.
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“EV being charged in West Virginia will produce more carbon output than a hybrid”
@armandsimonis7992 - “Total nonsense”
Absolutely not nonsense.
An EV would need to drive between 41,631 miles to 93, 827 miles to just break even on Carbon, assuming clean electricity… the amount of carbon used to mine batteries, ship raw materials, manufacture batteries, ship batteries… it is incredible!
If the electricity is being generated from Coal, as it is largely in West Virginia, a hybrid will save more carbon over the lifetime of a car.
It is not just West Virginia!
Kentucky, Indiana, Missouri, Wyoming, Utah… EV’a create more carbon than Hybrids in each of these states, in addition to West Virginia!
Other states, the carbon produced by EV’s are close to equivalent to hybrid cars: Ohio, Wisconsin, North Dakota, Colorado
“Enormous amount of energy to refine crude oil”
Solar & Wind have a significant dependency Natural Gas, which is also refined, and required in large quantities to compensate for unreliable solar & wind generation, is also included.
Heavy producers of electrical energy by Nuclear reduces the carbon load of EV’s, over the lifetime of an EV, but only The South East can benefit from nuclear power expansion approvals by Democrat Obama in the late 2000’s… problem is, that carbon negative calendar for EV’s reset as soon as one of those carbon intensive manufactured lithium batteries must be replaced.
If an EV is wrecked before break even, the person might have well been driving a gas car, since it would have taken less global resources, produced less carbon, and cost a lot less in money. New drivers should all be given cheap ICE engine based cars.
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@gigabyte2248 - “Battery recycling generally involves…”
- discharged Li-ion batteries🪫 are not safe
- discharged Li-Ion still combust 🔥 on pierce
- Lithium fires 🔥 occur at recycling plants
- Toxic fumes result from lithium fires 🔥
- not 100% of toxic recycled Li-Ion batteries 🪫 are recycled, leaving what remains to poison the environment (same issue with solar)
“mining fossil fuels”
Mining carbon fuels merely re-expose carbon that was formerly in the biosphere, back into it, where it is naturally recycled ♻️ by the carbon cycle.
“Scrutinize”
Poking a hole 🕳️ and slurping up carbon fuels, which will just leak into the biosphere at some point, anyway, is a huge benefit since leaking methane is less of a warming agent than CO2, and the normal carbon cycle will recycle ♻️ it as plant 🌱 food.
Also, some carbon fuel is abiotic, from radioactive decay, and harvested methane for combustion is better for the environment than leaked methane.
“Oil wells”
They are not going away, since wind 💨 & solar ☀️ don’t produce plastics, flooring, roof shingling, vinyl siding, asphalt roads, etc.
“Comfortably ahead”
Battery 🔋 electric ⚡️ vehicles 🚗, consuming energy in West Virginia, produce more carbon than gasoline ⛽️ hybrid vehicles (not even taking into consideration the carbon & energy in recycling batteries!) Just thinks about the results in the 3rd world!
This being said, H2 seems to be the cleanest alternative, since H2O exists nearly everywhere, salt water 💦 is a ready electrolyte, and consumption of H2 is naturally recycled ♻️ in the water cycle.
Of every possible option, batteries 🪫 are the worst, poisoning the water & land & air
Carbon based fuel ⛽️ is recycled ♻️ naturally, as plant 🌱 food, which our food 🍱 eats
H2, produced by wind 💨 energy cracking salt water 💦, appears to be the least risky to the environment, taking the least amount of energy to recycle ♻️ things.
Humans don’t recycle ♻️ well, except for lead acid batteries 🔋, and lead acid batteries🔋 are too heavy for 100% electric vehicles, besides golf cart sized vehicles 🚗
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“Why is corn used when there are better options?”
Corn is also used for cereals like corn flakes, feed for animals like cattle, basic long term stored foods like canned corn, flour to make breads for people who are gluten intolerant, etc.
When farm equipment & land can be used to create food or energy, it becomes a buffer where a single growing season can be applied to positively energy energy production, for example if a war breaks out (ie Russia invading Ukraine, Iraq invading Kuwait, oil embargo of 1970’s, etc.)
Extremely high density liquid energy carriers like alcohol based fuel can be domestically harvested to keep economies of scale operating during difficult times. This is partially a national security issue.
Renewable Wind & Solar energy, which is not easily stored & transported, should be applied to make alcohol based fuels, to create a naturally Recyclable energy solution. Batteries are created from strip mining of Africa, will be buried in waste landfills of the US, heavy metals will leech & poison the water systems, while alcohol is created by domestic land use, and those strip mines will deplete elements quickly, while CO2 in the atmosphere will be recycled to make new soil base from plant roots.
Would switch grass be better?
Sure, but then the question is, can existing farm equipment be used? Can switch grass harvesting equipment be “dual use” for which food stocks? How long will that farm equipment be usable if it remains idle, while switching to a good stock?
Corn is a lot like Oil, it is domestic, it is flexible.
We can not replace oil with ethanol, not enough land to replace all oil consumed, but it is a carrier to make portable high density energy, that does not result in raping the third world, destroying their environment, making us less dependent upon the racist destruction of Africa, destroy our environment by poisoning our land and water in later years, etc.
There is additional value of ethanol in making more portable energy, with fewer very long term consequences & 100% natural recycling which is not dependent upon additional energy & human consumption to perform the recycling.
Ethanol is not a panacea, but it is not as ridiculous as the author of this video suggests through his unprofessional mocking and not reviewing the other clear benefits.
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