Comments by "Canice Tang" (@canicetang8837) on "China before the CCP (2) Chinese football then and now" video.

By the way, as a born and raised Hong Konger. I have to get the record straight. Please DO NOT mixed Football from the ROC in the early 20th Century with Hong Kong at the same time. Since Hong Kong was a colonial city of the UK, the city was never granted a FIFA membership until 1954. The establishment of Hong Kong Football Association (HKFA) in 1914 was the very first organization of this very sport in Asia. In fact, the oldest Hong Kong club team which still exists today and competes in the Hong Kong Premier League, Hong Kong Football Club (HKFC), in 1886, which rivalled many of the most established clubs in Europe and around the world. The formation of the South China Athletics Association (SCAA) as the second athletic club for Chinese in the segregated colonial Hong Kong in 1904, was added with football in 1910. The Chinese legend who Lei was mentioned. Star forward Lee Wai Tong, who was named as one of the best FIFA players in the 20th Century along with the legend Pele from Brazil, was born, raised and died in Hong Kong. As the biggest football star for the powerhouse South China with exhibitions all over the world, especially in East Asia. He raised the profile of the game. Yes, he played matches in the ROC and even to raise charities for the ROC during the WWII. However, Lee was always remembered as the 'Best of East Asia and Hong Kong'. Lee's nickname was "The Treasure of Hong Kong". This was well-known with all sports historians and football enthusiasts alike. So please, do not ever link the great Mr. Lee with either the ROC, CCP or even the PRC in this conversation. Many of the best football stars in the top Hong Kong First Division before Hong Kong was granted the FIFA membership and thus was allowed to compete under its flag, was the 1974 Asian Qualifications for the tournament in West Germany. In between, all of them chose to compete as the "ROC Team" for Taiwan. They qualified for the 1960 Olympic Games in Rome, plus won numerous times at the Merdeka Tournament in Malaysia and was called the 'Best of East Asia' prior to the improvements with Australia, Japan and South Korea as the powerhouse in the Australasia region. Despite of their heroics, many of these retired Hong Kong Football Legends were denied of receiving their just ROC citizenship and passport despite decades of pleading. Taipei only relented as late as 2009 when many those players already had passed away. It was the same with the KMT soldiers and their families left stranded in Hong Kong as they could not followed their troops over to Taiwan. There were a lot of indignities from many of these Hong Kong Football Legends that I had to clear up. Despite relegated to being a minnow status, Hong Kong National team still surprised many. They won the Mens' Football Gold in the 2009 East Asian Game at home with the Penalty Shootout victory over the Under-23 Japanese National Team. As well with the famous '519' incident which Hong Kong upset the heavily favoured PRC National team 2-1 on May 19th, 1985, at the Beijing Workers National Stadium. This result clinched Hong Kong as the group winners in the Asian stage and subsequently lost in the semi-final round against Japan. The shame was too much for the PRC Mainlanders to bear and a riot started from the stadium shortly after the match and went on in Beijing that evening. Their national coach, who is still alive today, is hiding in low profile to shelter from the shame uttered by his countrymen, in a pivotal match more than 37 years ago. At the FIFA 2018 Russia Asian Football Conference (AFC) qualifying round. Hong Kong and the PRC met once again in the group stage, where Hong Kong National Team despite the bullying campaign from the propaganda Beijing of being 'an immigrant team' filled with other nationalities playing for Hong Kong despite lawfully gaining their HKSAR citizenship after 7 years of residence, held 0-0 scores both at home in Hong Kong and on the road in the PRC on November 2015. This was also a major stain on Xi Jinping of promoting the sport and kept honest by a team who has 0.5 percent population of the entire PRC. I would like Lei to honestly making alternative statements to clarify these facts and not misleading Hong Kong Football with those in the ROC and let alone in the PRC. At the very least, Mr. Lee Wai Tong's family in Hong Kong, who supported the ROC and the KMT, would never wanted to soil their name with the asinine behaviour and the ideologies of the CCP. Thank You. Sincerely, Canice Tang Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
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That was because they were born and raised in Hong Kong with the entire team. It was a British land but all were patriotic for the cause of the Republic of China (ROC) in the Mainland. I hope this story reflected of more to the current struggle of Hong Kong right now, and how many of us Hong Kongers are distinctly different from the PRC Mainlanders not only in culture, but in the ideology that we never supported the asinine regime of the CCP since 1921 when they formed, long before they took over on October 1st, 1949 under Mao's regime.
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In addition to this video, I would like to add the following facts which supported the sentiment and also contributed to the reasons why the PRC qualified for their one and only World Cup in 2002. 1. FIFA artificially helped the PRC National Men's Football team in the World Cup 2002 Tournament because it was co-hosted by South Korea and Japan. Therefore, those two powerhouses who qualified for the last time in 1998 got the automatic byes as co-hosts. With less competitions, it would be much easier for the PRC to get into the big dance since they would always finished behind Saudi Arabia. This turned out to be the case and the PRC would never be qualified under normal circumstances. 2. At the FIFA Ranking of 50th in the World, the PRC was also the 'lowest" ranking team in the 32 countries participated in the tournament. Despite of spending money hiring a quality national coach in well-known Bora Milutinovic from Serbia, the PRC simply could not even score a single goal in the round robin stage and suffered losses of 0-2, 0-4, and 0-3 to Costa Rica (29th ranked), Brazil (2nd), and Turkey (22nd) respectively. 3. Beginning at the 1998 FIFA World Cup in France, 8 additional teams could be qualified to the tournament from 24 to the present day 32. Making the once tough qualifying much easier than before. In the old days, only 16 teams qualified for the tournament. Asia was only shared 1 spot and required to compete with powerhouse in Australia from the Oceania side in the playoffs. Therefore when the DPRK qualified for the 1966 World Cup as the true East Asian country for the very first time and competed well in England, it was quite a surprise back then. 4. Therefore with increased funding, football in the Middle East, and particularly in South Korea and Japan, where professional league began to complement with their 2002 co-hosting the World Cup, gained from strength to strength. Meanwhile, the once dominant East Asia powerhouse of the PRC, were lacking behind in their development of the sport. Mainly due to the usual bureaucracy from the CCP, lack of talent pool plus severe limited qualified training staff, equipment and facilities. In addition, the advent of the Chinese Super League (CSL) literally were sponsored by the wealthy conglomerates such as Evergrande, SIPG, Suning and other major corporations with close ties to the CCP. Similar to the operations from the Middle East Princes who own many of the European Giant Football clubs as a tax write-offs and other illegitimate tax shelter front. It was, and still is the same motif with the CSL clubs. Often they offered obscene amount of bids for the best European players. However, the tales of these superstars in the PRC were another story altogether. Many of the PRC Mainland players never respected the basic rules of the sport. As the mentality of the PRC Mainlanders under the CCP with their constant brainwashing, is the furthest requirement of mindsets required for a cohesive team sport with 11 players on the field. As a result, many had severe injuries with horrible fouls suffered. Not only that, many players' promised wages were missing or deferred due to the team's trickery in their altered contracts and financial managements. Therefore, there were many teams literally folded due to financial distress. The Jiangsu Suning team, who just won the 2020 CSL Title, withdrew from the sport along with their ladies and youth supporting teams just three months later in February 2021 from financial difficulties. Suning is a big name in terms of conglomerates in the PRC, as they are well-known in technology, consumer electronics, investments and other fields. They are still the majority owner in Inter Milan, one of the biggest club in Italy and Europe. However, when Inter Milan finally won their domestic title in 2021, Suning started to sell their top players. Then their famous manager, Antonio Conte, was so disgusted that he left the team and now manages for the England Elite Team in Tottenham Hotspurs.
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Not really, they were close to qualifying in 1982, but lost to Hong Kong 1-2 in the famous '519' incident on May 19th, 1985 for the 1986 Asian group stage second round in Beijing. It was a national embarrassment and there was a riot after the end of the game.
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The Vietnamese Football would be good like the Thailand team which has the potential. Both teams did well in the recent 2022 World Cup AFC qualifying rounds. With a little more patience and better coaching, I like both to challenge with the big boys in South Korean, Japan, Australia, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the impressive host in Qatar. Keep it up, the trajectory is excellent for the young and hungry Vietnamese squad! What a great final win 3-1 on the Lunar New Year Evening to top it off at home!
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Besides Mr. Lee Wai Tong, who was born, raised and died in Hong Kong. The first ever Asian professional player who played in Europe was Mr. Cheung Chi Toi, nickname 'The Fragrance'. He was another Hong Kong born and raised professional football legend who was a power centre-forward. Included his legendary career at Happy Valley Football club, he also played in the 1960s for Blackpool of the British First Division.
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@stevecam7615 Thank You Sir! If you can please pass this on and share it with others. That would be greatly appreciated.
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I remembered in Calgary 1988 Olympics for the love and support behind one Jamaican Bobsled Team plus the funding for 'Eddie the Eagle' ski jumper from the UK as well.
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What Lei's mentioned were the Hong Kong professional footballers who were at the time, "The Best in East Asia", represented the Republics of China to fight for their honours representing Asia in a sport which was initially dominated by the Europeans during the early parts of the 20th Century.
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@brucelee8669 You were right about football in the Mainland and Taiwan, but never so in Hong Kong where it was the dominant sport for nearly 170 years.
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That's the commies and the greatness of shit with the CCP, get used to it! They are more than happy to lower the bar just as you think their morals can't get any lower.
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Although under the current climate. It is NEVER SAFE to do so. In Canada, our federal government had already raised travel to Hong Kong Special Administration Region (HKSAR), Macau SAR, and the PRC in the fourth and the top level of 'Red Alert Danger' when it comes to international travelling. Not only it was warned that anyone will have the possibilities of detainment or arrest with any violations to their National Security Law, which can be arbitrary with anything they can say as danger to their National Security. Any criticism of the CCP, HKSAR, can be construed as violations in terms of one of their four major crimes: Succession, sedition, foreign interference or terrorist activity. The crime itself does not have to occur over there, say if you are pictured with a friend in the US or anywhere outside the PRC, HKSAR and other regions, who is Pro-Hong Kong Democracy and he/she was wearing a T-shirt that said, "Hong Kong Independence". You are actually in violation of Article 38 of the Hong Kong National Security Law and Article 23 under foreign interference. Even that t-shirt itself, is considered a terrorist activity. Yes, as absurd as it may be. If the CCP considered you are an enemy of the state. You can actually be warranted by them for your arrest if you are dumb enough to go to Hong Kong or the PRC. Now, would they sent an Overseas PRC Agent to kidnap, murder or doing anything that stupid overseas to you? Probably less likely. But if you do have relatives and friends in those danger places. Don't be surprised at all that those agents might place an international call to you from their residences to stop what you are doing, or they will make your friends or relatives over there more than a living hell. This is what Pro-Democracy Hong Kongers, Tibetans and Uyghurs Activists Overseas had to endure from those turds for decades. If they can kidnap foreigners and playing the 'Hostage Diplomacy' game to lock them up long-term as bargaining chips. Please feel free to go to Hong Kong SAR or the PRC, but seriously, at your very own risk. I am not trying to scare you, but there are over 120 Canadians still being locked up with made up crimes inside the PRC prisons. With Americans in the same situations, at least twice or three times as much. And no, none of them do not have the big name like Women Basketball Star Brittney Griner in a sticky situation in Russia right now.
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@drumpfdon760 Your 'what-about-ism' already revealed that you are a Wumao. Please, get a life yourself.
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That has to do with the mentality of teamwork for the South Koreans and the Japanese, where as in the PRC Mainlander Chinese, could never happen because of the nature of ideologies of the CCP. When a Dictatorship regime tries to control all aspects of livelihood of everyone by interfering and interrupting. Everyone would be out for themselves as a sign of self-preservations. Therefore with a team of only two members such as doubles in Tennis, Table Tennis and Badminton, it would be okay. But a team of 5 or more such as Basketball and Football? Forget it! It is always a mess in the PRC.
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Match fixing in Asian Football, especially in the lower leagues, are still very common. The football referees in the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) are by far the worst referees in the world besides those of the Confederations of North, Central America and Caribbean Association Football (CONCACAF). Many of the scandals involving fixed matches between players on both sides with the referee at certain times during the match to benefit the triad and mafia controlled gambling syndicates, were and are well known to everyone. There was an incident where a referee in a professional match in Malaysia, accepted the services of a prostitute by a triad operated gambling ring, to deliberately throwing a result of a close match by giving a questionable penalty for the other team to win. In many of the lower leagues where players' salaries are pitiful. Throwing games can be very financially rewarding for these players. Football is not the only sport where that happened, same with tennis in the second and the third tier professional league as well.
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Vietnamese and the Thailand players are fast and skilled enough on the rise. With more training and better coaching, I am sure that they can make the breakthrough just like South Korea and Japan did in the 1990s.
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@drumpfdon760 The Hong Kong based ROC team beat them convincingly with the Merdeka Cup. Why don't you study that instead? Hong Kong was called "The Best in East Asia" until the 1960s and the 70s for a good reason. You Pro-CCP Wumao would never able to understand.
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@MitsukiHashiba Just ignore that idiot Don whatever, he is a Pro-CCP troll that just wanted to disrupt. This Wumao is everywhere whenever there were true statements of dissents reflecting poorly on the PRC and the CCP.
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That was more Hong Kong than the Republic of China or even the laughable People's Republic of China. Please read my early comments regarding the history of football in Hong Kong.
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@kellydon2294 That's fine. It is freedom of speech. So according to your statement above, then I can't express my own opinions if there were things missing in Lei's video and some of them completely misleading and factually wrong? What is this? Communism? No one is perfect here and there were quite a few holes to be filled. What Lei mentioned was assuming the entire Chinese culture of their success in early 20th Century of East Asia in Football, without naming that it was all from the British Colonial city of Hong Kong. That was simply not the case as most Asians knew the South China Athletic Association (SCAA) where Mr. Lee Wai Tong led, was from Hong Kong, and as Hong Kongers, we supported the ROC with their endeavours. When you initially watched that video. You would probably had the false impression that the impressive story of the ROC team and South China was all part from the Mainland China during the ROC rule. Had I not pointing out the truth and the facts, would you even know that was wrong? Nor that you cared because you are taken this simply from an entertainment point of view? Rather than looking at it in an educational sense, but didn't know that it was full of holes as it turns out? What I am saying was that there are a lot more information that was going on with that particular pages of history with Lei conveniently left out. For many of the Western viewers like yourself, it was not a fair and balanced view. If you are interested, there are a ton of books written in Chinese and a few translated to English on that specific subject. Lei did a decent job of skimming over the history of Football in Mainland China, which was none to speak of until recently. As the title of "The Best in East Asia" was often the team represented by all Hong Kong Professional Players until the 1970s. But as a born and raised Hong Konger, she did not represented the history in a fair and balanced way. My job is to put the addendum and balanced it out. If you for example, taken just partial information as a whole with tons of important facts missing, then you sir are suffering the same bias as the modern media in both the Democratic and the Dictatorship realms. More entertainment than factual in terms of news. This is a Democracy, if you like to be misled with partial information, that's your own right without knowing that yourself is being short changed. Social media are full of these holes, as well as education, news information and others too. If someone represents something that was not correct or missing, shouldn't there be others who are more knowledgeable to kindly filled the hole? And for you to stifle my right to express in this manner? Aren't you a trifle being a bully to deny my own personal right under the law? You have your own opinion as well as mine. I am more happy to agree to disagree. Then again, if I am saying something misleading about your own culture, wouldn't you do exactly the same to set the record straight in the first place? Just saying.
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@kellydon2294 It is perfectly okay that you are not interested. You just perfectly proved my point that "Reading is fundamental". Ignorance and arrogance from people comes from all kinds or reasons. That is if you are those who never bothered to even acknowledge, let alone being aware and actively looking for solutions. Nice to see where you are coming from. Have a nice life.
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@kellydon2294 I am not angry. But if you are queuing at a checkout line-up at a grocery store, some random stranger butted their carts in front of you and said, "Hey, that's my spot! I left 2 minutes ago to pick up another item." You just calmly said, "Sir/Miss, that's not the case, I have been waiting for the last 5 minutes. Other customers in front or behind me can verified with me because they were waiting just as long. What you are doing is not right, and please, take your cart and lawfully line up at the back for the courtesy of others, thank you." I never claimed to an expert by the way although I certain knew more on the subject. Even then, I read books and watched YouTube videos on this subject. It is not as if I was a 'know it all' as I know absolutely nothing just like others. The difference is I am open and I learn not only to add knowledge, but to challenge myself to confront my personal ingrained bias, arrogance and ignorance to gradually improve on my own lack of knowhows. That's all, I am pretty humble and I do not see the need to open my own YouTube channel for this, as there are so many more Hong Kong historians and experts whom I can learn more from.
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@kellydon2294 I am a post-graduate going to Europe for my Ph.D in Renewable/Environmental Science. I am also an activist with Pro-Hong Kong Democracy against the CCP. Actually, I am on the same page as Lei. Still, I do not like misleading partial information that glossed over the important points. This was why I added my addendums to supplement Lei's point of view. She was absolutely correct but in an extremely simplistic means. Most of her viewers are educated and open-minded. Had she added briefly those points I mentioned, it would even strengthen her points and views and make her arguments even more compelling. I am also writing a book regarding the chronicle of Hong Kong during 2019 to 2021. As well as doing materials on the CCP's global interference with their various means to destabilize Democracy around the world. Particularly in the USA.
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@kellydon2294 Yes, I am aware of my Irish name because I was born Catholic. The name is Scotch-Irish. In fact, this particular name (Latin: Canicus) himself was a patron saint of Kilkenny (after the Red Ale). His travels of Scotland and Ireland were mainly for the purpose of promoting education and charities to those who were impoverished. The more common name is Kenneth and of course, Candice for the ladies name. I am not that smart on the contrary as I am full of flaws myself. However, unlike the many conventional minds, I would rather read educational and inspirational books, watch a few more documentaries and educated myself constantly to improve what little I have known. Education is a lifetime process and people should always be humble with their knowledge. Also to fully and honestly applied (without any prejudice) what you have known constantly to improve the human welfare-at-large around the world. This is the fullest extent of the Latin's definition of Education: "To give out". So therefore, not for the few ambiguous letters behind your certificates come what may, but to contribute selflessly to your fellow brothers and sisters for the benefit of the human kind as a whole. As for my book, I am only about 60 percent completed with over 1,500 pages of research still has to go. Yes, I had written over 1,800 pages so far but there were more information and other revisions. I would have a scaled down version (and also a textbook version if there is a similar subject being taught at the undergraduate level) and depends on the future sales of the initial book, there would be hopefully 8 to 10 books with various topics on the CCP and other global issues which I would be able to getting them printed more readily. Thank you for your encouragement and much appreciated. My goal for the book was for two purposes: 1. To have the true history based on correct factual information and unbiased views. 2. For those Hong Kong Freedom Fighters, those who are still alive and fighting for the truth and justice, especially the tens of thousands unnamed ones who passed away or gone missing, the book would be a tribute for their selfless belief and acts of bravery for Democracy and Freedom. So much that they had sacrificed their lives against this evil dictatorship without any fears whatsoever. To those future readers, I would like to say that Freedom is never free, never taken it and the priceless rights of Freedom of Speech and expressions. Freedom of the Press , and Independent Judiciary for granted. Colin Kaepernick took a knee because of those of our forefathers and mothers who were willingly sacrificed for us so we can live in a land of the brave and home of the free. In many parts of the world, including the USA, the CCP had been interfering and influencing for decades. My book would open a lot of what they had done. We must stopped them before our country would be imploded: Which is what Beijing exactly wanted us to do.
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Well, the achievement of one Jesse Owens against the face of Adolf Hitler and the ultra-right Fascism was enough to earn 4 Olympic Gold Medals. Also shattered his white-superiority theories to the smithereens.
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@brucelee8669 I am just a novice but a born and raise Hong Konger who played on the concrete football pitches in the 1970s. It was a glorious time of Hong Kong Football with the sponsored clubs such as Seiko and Bulova with the Malaysian business tycoons the 'Wong Brothers' recruiting World Cup calibre players and managers, such as Sir Bobby Robson taking the helm of Hong Kong Rangers FC. For myself, I just happened to be a big fan of local football on the radio and television. They invited huge clubs with Pele, Maradona, plus the biggest star club in New York Cosmos with Beckenbauer, Cannigia and other galaticos to play exhibition matches in Hong Kong. I do have relatives who are Vietnamese -Chinese. And I do have a long and nice history with Vietnamese in Hong Kong and Canada as well. Thanks again.
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@kanchuk1168 You are quite welcome. This is what a Hong Konger should have done to add the important information that Lei has somehow glossed over. I really believed if she combined with only a few points I had said. That in itself would even strengthen her points and resolve about the dysfunctional PRC National Football Team. As for the glory history of Hong Kong Football in the 19th and 20th Centuries of the sport plus the British Colonial City's contribution to East Asia and beyond. I would like to give you two videos: 1. This wonderful YouTube Video highlighting Hong Kong Football history from 1842 to 2012. Of course, not including the two stunning 0-0 draws on November 2015 at the 2018 FIFA World Cup Qualifying AFC Group Stage with the PRC national Team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UguZCicNrOM 2. This FIFA Video describing the famous '519' incident for the 1986 FIFA World Cup Qualifying AFC Group Stage on May 19th, 1985 where Hong kong upset the heavily favoured PRC National Team 2-1 at the Beijing's National Workers Stadium. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiA_AseXiZ8 If you like, please share both videos to reflect that Hong Kong Football, as well as our will to promote the values of Democracy, in terms of sports with high standards of morals, ethics, sportsmanship and teamwork, would always be ahead of the Mainland PRC and their brand of Communist Dictatorship ideologies. Thank You!
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