Comments by "bighand69" (@bighands69) on "The Isdal Woman: Europe's Most Famous Unidentified Person | Answers With Joe" video.

  1. Doing that in the 1970s would require a certain level of wealth that would not be such a casual wealth. No I am afraid there is something more to this story. It has all the hallmarks of something with careful planning and knowledge. First of all the amount of fuel it would require for a body to be burned to that degree would be quite large and not a trivial amount a single person could carry by them self. Then there is the fact this person seems to have no known family connections and is a loner.
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  2. That maybe the case but that would show an erratic manner and not a calculating and strategic behavior that would be required to leave so little information. The case is extremely strange.
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  3. You have to take the evidence with caution because we do not know if it was accurate or not.
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  4.  @davidmorgan156  Are you saying you spoke to somebody who was a witness to her in that period?
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  5.  Antony Stringfellow  You are assuming the details you are repeating are actually true or that they have not been added into the case by something playing at misdirection. Or even if the witnesses are truly identifying the victim at all and not somebody else.
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  6.  @QueenEra33  I am sorry by now such theory backs up she was a sex slave. You have just imagined that and it appeases your predisposition to such ideas.
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  7.  @MysticMetaKnight  A person that consumed an extremely large amount of a pharmaceutical, that was suicidal, that somehow decided to commit suicide at the top of a mountain, a person that appears to have erratic behaviors which all tends not to be normal behaviors. They most certainly do not demonstrate behaviors of deep planning. So what was the secret fuel that she used to burn her body to such a high degree that there is no evidence at the site of the remains. Did she somehow plan a means to have the fuel at the site and then hide such a fact. If you believe the case is suicide then you have to look at it from that angle and makes the case extremely complicated and very weird. It is to such an extent that it does not add up.
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  8. The golden state killer was different because they had amassed physical evidence that was forensically controlled. This case due to its location and circumstances does not have the same control factors.
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  9. There are no cases of spontaneous combustion. It is a fantasy and in some cases very poor forensic pathology.
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  10. She may not have been a spy but could have been a defector hence why she went to such great lengths. The hairspray can theory is ridiculous.
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  11. You never know what could happen.
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  12.  @klittlet  The problem with most of this is people's lack of understanding of the science and forensics of such events. There simply would not be enough energy held in the burning of clothing to char the remains to such an extent. No this death required a fuel source such as petrol/gasoline to exhibit such behaviors. A small women like that would have struggled to carry such a large load. It would even have been a challenge for many able-bodied strong men to carry fuel to a location like that.
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  13.  @TTFerdinand  If she was murdered it most certainly was an exceptional effort. Suicide seems unlikely but not improbable. The amount of fuel it would have required to burn a body like that would have been large and not easy to carry up the side of a mountain. Taking a large volume of a pharmaceutical in advance to climbing up the mountain does not seem likely either. I suspect without any real evidence that there was a certain amount of misdirection at play here. I would take the intelligence communities assessment with a large pinch of salt.
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  14. The humour in this was not nice at all and not well placed either.
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  15. I am going to say something and please do not be offended by what I am about to say. Women should not be out on their own even in the countryside. Most men that they meet are good people that would not harm anybody and would offer assistance but there is a small subsection of men about 1% that are psychopaths' and it is they who maybe predators. That is not to say a women cannot go out on her own but she needs to understand these things. But I would also offer the same types of advice for many men. Going out after dark into remote places that other humans may frequent should only be done by certain men. Apart from humans certain environments have wild animals as well.
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  16. I am sorry but that theory is unlikely.
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  17. Drawing are notoriously inaccurate leaving many seeing what they want to see.
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  18. So as a mental health worker do you think such mental health breakdowns would involve high levels of detailed planning such as getting a large amount of fuel present for the burning or taking pharmaceuticals in advance but still being able to get up the side of the mountain. And then being able to make several interactions with people that cause conflicting information to arise. Then there is also the fact that the evidence in this case has to be approached with care because there is no way of knowing if it was planted or was just a mistake by the person presenting it. Did she really write the diary or did she steal it from somebody?
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  19. There are many aspect to it that are strange. No family member getting in contact within norway hints that she was not from norway.
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  20. Let us just entertain your case of suspicious cases of money issues. What if she was involved in something like that but died 6 months after the issues. How could we possibly know?
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  21. Bipolor and schizophrenia are probably unlikely explanations considering the amount of planning that probably went into the event. Secondly all the evidence outside of the crime scene needs to be taken with caution.
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  22. It really depends on what level the spy is working at. She may just be a facilitator or a criminal working for an agency. Or maybe she seen something she should not have. Who really knows.
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  23. To carry out such a murder and at the same time to be witnessed would mean experts were involved in her murder. Such experts would have had the resources, skills and very careful planning to carry out the murder.
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  24. Including the people who claimed to smell such.
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  25.  @davidmorgan156  You could also find DNA patterns in that if you wanted to but it has little meaning.
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  26. Yes that is a possibility not not proof.
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  27. But how exactly did she commit suicide and why such a remote location?
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  28. Most of that evidence needs to be considered under caution as it may not be accurate. what if the person they smelled was not her?
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  29.  @MysticMetaKnight  While it is probable that she could have had a mental health breakdown I think that it is highly unlikely. The case seems to point to an event that was organized and it is not likely that a person that was suffering from such an episode would be capable of carrying out such an organized plan. One of the problems we have in the case is with certainty is establishing if every bit of evidence is actually genuine and not a plant or mistake. What we do know is that the amount of a fuel required to burn a body to such a degree is larger than what a person could carry by them self up a mountain, That she had consumed a large amounts of a pharmaceutical that would not have allowed her to travel up that mountain and that she had a certain level of wealth. Everything beyond that cannot be considered as reliable evidence.
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  30. European hotels do not require ID it really is at the discretion of the person running the establishment. In that era there would have been a more informal attitude in society meaning people would have been less likely to think ill of people.
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  31. There does not seem to be any sort of movement in those directions probably because there are is no public pressure.
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  32. Or certain things were added to the evidence that may not actually be connected or could have been planted. Mistaken identity is very common in these cases such as a person claiming to have come in contact with her.
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  33. Where are the UFO's.
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  34. If you are going with that theory you need to then factor in that the case becomes far more complicated. As there are more complex events that would have to be figured in such as how was such a large volume of fuel carried up there and how was a large amount of a pharmaceutical administered and why was so little evidence of merit present? And was it easy for a women to carry around two suitcases through so many cities. She was not a large strong person.
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  35. Why?
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  36. The amount of fuel that it would take to burn a women's body to that degree is not an amount that a women on her own could easily carry up onto the side of a mountain. Now it is possible that she could have walked up there in advance and stored the fuel later to return to it.
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  37.  @davidmorgan156  The wick effect is a highly theoretical scenario that is hard to really accept. The idea that a small source could with bad fat cause such an ignition event to occur is highly unlikely. To me it is on par with Sasquatch or mental telepathy.
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  38. Every country has these weird cases from the past. Back then the media did not sensationalize things like they do today. Today the media would actively lie to use the story to fulfil some sort of political agenda. They would even smear people and when such smears are discovered to be malicious they would just move on and it would be forgotten.
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  39. Hairspray does not explain the level of charring that occurred on the remains.
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  40. Nor does it indicate it was her finger prints.
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  41. The problem with the garlic smell is the fact it is impossible to know if it had anything to do with her. People will make claims of smells all the time that groups of other people cannot even establish.
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  42. A killer may have removed them as well.
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  43. You cannot rule out mental illness but there is no evidence of it.
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  44.  @Sofia-kr9fb  Sorry but your theory would have to face up to the fact that a large amount of fuel would have been required to burn the body and getting that up the side of a mountain would be difficult. Also the pharmaceutical that was taken would have impaired physical and mental performance. This event was planned and not the actions of somebody who was irrational. So taking the substances to commit suicide and then changing that to Self-immolation on a whim is highly unlikely and very difficult to achieve in a short period of time.
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  45. What if she was abusing somebody and chasing them? People seem to go with that feels like a good story to them.
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  46. It is not plausible.
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  47. Unless she was from a very dysfunctional family at some point they would have followed it up. Even in dysfunctional families still follow up on missing family members. We do not know if she was eccentric or not as that is mostly post mortem evidence which makes it difficult to verify and also prone to peoples opinions and also sometimes pure fabrications.
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  48. I think it is unlikely that she was having a mental health breakdown and that she was more than likely the victims of something criminal.
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  49. It was not a simple accidental fire as there was too much fuel involved to especially to burn a body that badly.
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  50. She may have been involved in crime, espionage, targeted by somebody or just a mental health breakdown. Now I think the mental health breakdown is the most unlikely as it would require very a complex set of events.
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  51.  @qweqwe700  Mental health breakdown would be the least plausible. For her to have a mental health breakdown and then have a set of assailants go to other the effort to burn her up the side of a mountain would not be plausible.
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  52. It would impossible for a person a large amount of medication under force.
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  53. Or how about she was smuggling UFO parts around to sell to the highest bidder. And a buyer was on the side of a mountain in a remote part of Norway.
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  54. Does anybody know what brand of watch she was wearing by any chance?
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  55. Your aunt may have had a mental illness but her fear of the mob could still have been real. She may have upset somebody and her breakup could have had information in it that you may not be aware of. This case is probably not a mental health breakdown.
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  56. There are other issues as well such as how was she burned to such an extent with no evidence of the event other than the charred remains. How was such a fuel source carried to that remote location. She was a small women and would have struggled to perform that. Even a able bodied young man with experience would struggle to carry 15 to 30 kilograms of fuel.
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  57. @Taylor Smith The case has all the hallmarks of careful planning and misdirection. Most of the evidence of this case has to be taken with caution. Even the evidence that was in the station such as the suitcases have to treated carefully. One of the first questions that people need to take into account is the amount of fuel it would require for a body to be burned to that degree especially up the side of a mountain.
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  58.  @davidmorgan156  "The magistrate said it was a staged murder - meaning a middle-aged white man" I am sorry but being staged does not mean it was a man and it does not really give any indications to intent either or even that he person/s understands police procedures.
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  59. So how was the body burned with so little evidence. There is no evidence that the women in question was suffering from any form of mental illness. What you are guess is just as likely as murder or some bizzare accident.
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  60. If she was unskilled at what she was doing and was accosted by those that were skilled how did they plan the whole event out to end on the side of a mountain.
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  61. Burn everything with what exactly?
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  62.  @mnxs  I would have to disagree with that. 10 litres of gasoline/petrol would not be enough to burn a body to that degree. What would happen if 10 litres was used in a continuous amount is that most of it would spread and burned off too quickly to produce that level of state. Then there would be a runoff in the uneven ground as well. One of the ways it could be achieved with 10 litres is for it to be applied over a period of time rather than one application but even then I am doubtful of that level of damage to the the remains. More than likely a large volume of fuel was used and that she was sedated as well because she would have started to move around when being burned. I would want to know if there was equal thermal signs on the remains which can be identified through the colorations such as darker or lighter colors. Different colors could imply that rope was used on the arms or legs and samples from that era could establish if there is any sorts of residue present. Was there different levels of burning between the exposed upper facing part of the body and the part of the body resting on the ground. After all these yes we will not know any of this.
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  63.  @mattmexor2882  You are doing a lot of speculation there about her character with no information in regards to her background. Why a husband have you evidence that she was married? Why mentally ill do you have her medical record or have you carried out an examination? Why serial killer do you know of her interacting with such a person? Why do you think she was sleeping with men for money? One bottle of hair spray would never be able to turn a human body like that. It simply would not have the thermal properties or energy density to achieve that level of charring of the remains. There is either one large bit of evidence that is not present that would explain natural causes or there was other people involved. It is either accidental death or it is intentional.
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  64. Rarely happens.
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  65. My wife is American and she crosses her 7 and loops her 2. I was taught to cross my 7 but never do it.
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  66. Would require an expert assassin to committee that or a serial killer with lots of experience. Either are disturbing.
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  67. Shouted at? That sounds like nonsense.
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  68. It must have been one hell of a can of hairspray that was about the size of 10 liters and with some sort of external chemical present as well to keep the body burning so that it was in its very damaged state. If the person was up right and poured the substances over the body it would have ran down the legs igniting the leggins as well. I would speculate that the body was laying out flat on the ground and that it was applied from an elevated position with focus on the head and upper torso area.
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  69. Opposing forces tended not to kill spies and were more interested in outing them or causing misdirection. Murder was not common at all unless the spy was an actual defector.
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  70. Not enough evidence to suggest anything of the sort.
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  71. And in that stupor she carried a large volume of fuel to the site and carried out an exercise that would leave very little evidence. And her planning was of such a level that her identity could never be established.
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  72. I think a person having a mental health breakdown is very unlikely due to the lack of evidence at play.
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  73. It could also signal somebody who was very well planned and wanted to create conflicting evidence for investigators. Everything about the event points towards planning and strategy. I would take the assessment of the intelligence community on this one with a pinch of salt such as the explanation with the spray can having enough energy present to burn the body to that degree.
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  74. The problem with this is we do not know if those are items that she herself actually carried or where they planted. Mental illness is not an easy thing to establish in this and is just guesswork and the gruesome strange nature of this would make it very easy for us to assume mental illness.
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  75. I am not trying to insult but that is one set of crazy theories.
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  76.  @davidmorgan156  There must be some journalists out there that can at least take a casual interest in such a story. They could carry out some local work on it without it being of a editorial story.
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  77. It is an old case that really requires detailed and extensive resources with use of the best forensic analysis. Are there any detailed government files on the case in Norway or outside of Norway?
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  78. The problem with this is we do not know if any of it is true or if somebody has just made a mistake.
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  79. Getting the DNA on the database and researched is an important step.
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  80. That furniture moving evidence has to be treated with caution as there is no way of verifying that it is true or that it was even her who did it.
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  81. She most certainly was not burned by accident. The amount of fuel required to carry out such burning would not have been a small amount. The spray can theory is terrible at best.
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  82.  @frndusbambulius1709  Do not get offended. I am only telling you as it is and you know what I am saying is the truth. In your own words "It freaked the hell out of me" and that is your own instincts telling you of your situation. There are many things that people should not do such as swimming on their own, hunting in the wilderness on their own and several other things as well. If you are in a very remote place meaning nobody is within your vicinity for many miles then you need to really know what you are doing. If you are in a place that is popular with people then you need to understand how vulnerable you can be on your own. A woman is perfectly free to walk at night on her own through any part of town but has to be realistic that she is vulnerable. There is no point a person being in the right legally and morally when they are dead or badly injured. There are things I could inform you of that may genuinely freak you out and put far more context on things. It does not matter by the way if you are in Europe, north America, africa or Asia.
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  83.  @frndusbambulius1709  I am originally from the UK that lives in the US. I have also lived in Europe and travelled in Europe. So while both the US and Europe are relatively safe places they still require caution at certain times. That does not mean a person should be walking around freaked out the whole time. Going out to sea on your own in a boat requires knowledge as well.
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  84. To cause that level of charring would require more than just some alcohol.
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  85. The most basic facts are. Female, small build, body was found burned, body found in remote location, no clear discernable fuel source for the burning, body is unidentified, no family has come forward in norway or surrounding countries and those are the clear facts.
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  86. I am afraid your gut has an overactive imagination. Lay of the spicy food.
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  87. So who would Occam's Razor be applied to the fuel source that burned the body. It was not small amount of fuel and would have been needed to be carried up the side of the mountain all while under the influence of a a powerful pharmaceutical in large doses. And then there is all the other strange information surrounding the case that may very well be planted evidence or even mistaken evidence.
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  88. Family not coming forward may mean she has no family or is from a different region of the world and there has not been a connection to Norway made. Thousands of people go missing every year world wide so it would be impossible to connect all of them in that era.
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  89. I find it highly unlikely that she did this by herself.
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