Comments by "bighand69" (@bighands69) on "Elon Musk: Best form of government on Mars | Lex Fridman Podcast Clips" video.

  1. There is no such thing as represented democracy as It is a oxymoron. A republic creates representation and legislation with the main reason to stop the 51% in a moment of craziness introducing something that could hurt the 49% that may also in the long run hurt the 51%. An example of this could be prohibition of something such as what the US attempted but got overturned. With democracy the 51% could introduce such enormous levels of legislation that could destroy the society. What if the US at the exact same times prohibition of alcohol had of introduced prohibition of medication (there was a movement for that as well).
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  2. Most of the money the US raised in WW2 was through bonds and lending schemes.
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  3.  @jankom.7783  And what if all the wolves decided that they wanted a new wool jumper and mutton at the same time?
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  4. Noam Chomsky is a fool at best.
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  5.  @OfficialNattyOrNot  All republics have a constitution otherwise they are just a loose collective.
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  6. The US system is the best to have ever existed and is a form of government that is 1000 years ahead of it self.
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  7. Nah the US system is the best.
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  8. The left is aiming for Switzerland as they are a thorn in the side of the European socialist project. Right now about 20% of switzerland is made up of EU citizens what happens if it gets to 40%?
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  9. I would propose having the system like the US has but then as an application have direct democracy attached to the system. An example of it working could be the public voting on forwarding a bill to the senate or the house presenting a bill to the people. Such a vote could be used to acts such as war that may have a three phase vote to it where the senate presents the idea to the people who then vote on it going forward with the senate then making the decision.
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  10. What if the public voted to remove the right of free speech, right to congregate and the right to vote all at the same time because the media convinced them that the far fight released a bioweapon from a Chinese lab?
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  11. That sounds like a lot of mumbo jumbo.
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  12. Direct democracy just means people vote on issues. It does not mean a whole country has to be run in that fashion. Switzerland still has a parliament and a president. You could have a system like the US but still have certain issues voted on by the people such as going to war or prohibition.
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  13. The US system is working perfectly. It stopped Trump from carrying out crazy things and it has so far stopped democrats from carrying out crazy things. Imagine if the US right now had direct democracy. The left who control the media right now could convince them to do anything.
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  14.  @carloorelli3538  Direct democracy could be used for certain issues but not everything. May after an issue passes through several political layers it could then be presented on a public vote. And maybe the vote could be used to present a bill to a senate or vice versa.
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  15.  @LeblueLegume  The system of government that Jefferson created is based on human nature. Meaning things like the right to congregate and to speak are innate human values. As is the right to defend yourself.
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  16. So you think free speech should have an expiry date?
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  17. There is a garbage system in in the US it is called the congress and supreme court. Even garbage removal is not perfect. The US system uses seperation of power where each branch of government has to work together and that no one branch as too much power. Right now the democrats control the House, Senate and presidency and they still struggle to get too much craziness through and the same applied when Republicans were in control. The fact the US system does this nearly 240 years after its foundation is amazing. The system does get tested every now and then.
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  18. The US already has garbage collection called the legislative and judiciary. The purpose of keeping old laws is to show what used to work, has stopped working and is no longer a standard to be tried in a court. The US system already has such a means of garbage collection. The US is the second oldest current government system in the world.
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  19. The US already has a system that does garbage collection on laws. It keeps the laws on the books so that it can been seen if they can be applied or not. It also means that a new law cannot just be introduced doing the same thing as an old law. The existing system already creates a buffer and cleans up old laws. The US took common law and added extra features to it that work.
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  20. Communism is living in a commune where everything has common ownership. Starting a colony on Mars may be nothing like that. There might be several groups throughout mars all owning their own equipment and technologies and maybe they will trade with one other.
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  21.  @ysomadbeats  Cavemen did not have communism. What they hunted was for them self to eat. Putting that aside communism does not work and never has. It is fancy idea that is impractical.
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  22. The US system already has an application that cleans up law and also looks at its viability. That system is the legislative branch and the Judiciary. That system allows new laws to be introduced, old laws to be repealed and for the courts to apply law if it is viable. The reason to keep 200 year old laws even when they are not applied is for the system to be able to run test cases and to understand what does not work. Some laws are obvious such as pigs trespassing others much more complicated. The US system is far more advanced than many people realize. It is a form of government that is thousands of years ahead of anywhere else. By the way the pig trespassing laws may get applied to drones.
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  23. The US already has decentralized government. It has government in the presidency, legislative, congress and at the state level. You could try and model the US system by using a blockchain but what would the purpose of that be.
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  24. So if 51% of Mars citizens decide that beer is bad they can ban it?
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  25.  @CalebWilliams2517  So you are saying if it is not suitable then the 51% gets to decide?
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  26.  @CalebWilliams2517  But that is what happens when a society is an actual democracy. The larger number can vote against the smaller number. It is ok saying that people will have high IQ or that people will know to do the right thing but people with a convincing argument in the heat of the moment can make all manner of decisions.
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  27. His viewpoints are childish.
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  28. Representatives are not forever and they can also be voted out. At one point the democratic party in congress was like the KKK but that all changed.
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  29. Term limits are not needed. If term limits are added it could mean that representatives may actually become more aggressive in trying to push through change.
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  30. Maybe the idea is to make it harder to introduce something but it it is wrong when introduced it can be more easily removed. Maybe there is a buffer period between it being introduced and being repealed.
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  31. You could have direct democracy built into a republic as a function. It would not dictate the whole of society on a whim but it would get to be a part of the game. So that people may get the chance to vote on an extremely important decision such as going to war or the prohibition of alcohol. The US system in my mind is the most perfect every created and is being tested right now.
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  32. Such a system could have an application in society such as voting to go to war or voting on changing the structure of society. It does not need to be things that are rash and fashionable and could play out over the long term. I would love to see a country set up with the US system of a republic with direct voting option for certain types and scales of issues. Maybe the senate has to present the vote to the people and the people then back to the senate over a 5 year period.
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  33. It all sounds rather complicated.
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  34. That all sounds great when they are busy building but what happens if they stop building or different clusters of people encroach upon one other. The founding fathers of the US were dealing with the same issues 250 year ago.
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  35. It is good to have those laws on the books so that you can see they will not work. Imagine nobody could bring them up or show that they were tested. You would end up with crazy people trying to convince everybody that it was never tried before because they would just call it something else. Jeremy Corbyn in the UK said he wanted to introduce new laws so as to segregate carriages on trains for different ethnic groups. Well there are laws on the books that are in place already and they cannot be applied or new laws cannot be introduced to do the same thing.
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  36. I would not go for that but it really depends on how it is implemented. There could be a cooling of period of 5 years and if it does not work it could mean it is easier to remove of the books. What if the 60% introduce the law then forget about it and it only affects the 40% so when a new vote comes around the 60% are not needed as they do not care.
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  37. You would not want that for everything but you could most certainly do it for important issues such as declaring war or prohibition.
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  38. And what if a figure raise an army and decide that they want communism. What are the anarchists going to do then.
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  39. I wonder how direct democracy would work if the public voted to remove the right of free speech, right to congregate and the right to vote all at the same time because the media convinced them that the far fight released a bioweapon from a Chinese lab?
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  40. You are joking?
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