Comments by "Sexy Beast" (@sexybeast7728) on "Academy of Ideas"
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@bez1196 You are overrating religions (tho i am not familiar with all of them). Read the Bible once and you will be more confused than you were to begin with, because the wisdom is embedded in stories, which is "wisdom" but still not that helpful. It doesnt offer you any tangible reason why you should follow the teachings. This is were Jung, JP and others come with their articulations. They give you intellectually valid reasons to pursue the teachings.
Wisdom without articulation is not a real wisdom in my book. For example, you (or anyone), currently, in your unconscious, posses an incredible amount of information about the world, but you are not aware of it. The way it manifest itself is through intuition or gut feeling or conscience, you name it, but it's not a real wisdom.
JP said something like this: "You dont know what you dont know, but you also dont know what you know."
As far as origins of wisdom are considered, i believe it is similar to emergence of morality, through acting things out our unconscious mind detects patterns that lead to the best possible outcome (sustainable life for everyone in community), thats wisdom and thats what you read in stories, but it's not articulated.
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@Daneiladams555 Exactly, it doesnt have inherit meaning, but this is cool part about your, mine and everyone's life. We are prisoners of our biology. What you feel, see, hear is determined by chemistry, physics, etc (this is not a cool part, stay with me). Considering evolution, what survives is the most compatible for survival, meaning that evolution must have taken care of the whole meaningless situation. There must be something within us (idk, neurotransmitter or hormone or both or perhaps something much more complex) that drive humans towards living. If there was nothing we wouldnt last till now. You dont have to intellectually attach meaning to anything abstract to live a meaningful life, your biology already takes care of that. Surround yourself with people who seem to do it right, copy them and you will probably get the same results. Check Jordan Peterson, he seems to help a lot of people in the same situation.
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@laxifax-8575 oh man, this is anything but deep. I went down the rabbithole. I gave it much more thought than that and i think i understand it.
Let me ramble for a bit then tell me what you think:
Every sane human being lives in a story, meaning that everyone has certain assumptions, beliefs about life. You see the world through the lenses of that story. The story is what shapes your perception. Change the story you believe in, you change your perceptions of the physical world. For example, if you thonk you are a loser and you are destined to do nothing in life, you will see the events around you in the context of that narrative. Change the narrative and you change how you see that event. You have certain beliefs about who you are, what you want, where you are going (at least unconsciously you have) and there are people and things in life that fill in archtypes of your story. There have to be arxhtypes because every story is fundamentally built of many archtypes interacting with each other. Thats what story is in its purest form. Stories are all the same, the difference between them is only the context, or what fills archtypes. There is an archtype of a father figure, mother figure, hero, villain and so on. You can literally fill them with your father and mother(..), but more often than not, other people (even things) fill in that role. Thats unique for every single human being and ultimately what makes you different than others.
Christianity is just one of the infinite amount of stories you can live out. Whether its the best or not remains for the debate. My strong feeling is that it's not the best although it is pretty good and it served its purpose for millenials. The reason i think its outdated is because if you dont understand what i am saying right now, truely believing in the story of Christ, you will encounter a lot of friction in your life due to science. You will believe the Earth is flat while in fact it's not, and so on. You will think the bible is a factual story. It's not and it was never supposed to be. This is the story of how Christianity came about:
Imagine yourself 2500 years ago as the part of some stable civilization. Humans are infinitely curious and when we formed civilizations, our chances of survival, as an individual, skyrocketed. Due to the conveniences of group living, we didnt have to spend our whole lifes thinking about how to survive on day to day basis. We, all of a sudden, got a lot of free time. At that time humans being humans started wondering, stared asking difficult questions and at the time, because there was no science, we had no way to answer those questions. Here huge problem araises. We are obsessed with knowing things. People are not comfortable not knowing, living in complete ignorance, but we could not answer them with logic. So what did we do? As always, we started to create hypothesis. We began to create stories of who we are, where are we going to, where are we coming from. Sounds fimiliar? Hold on, it gets better.
So how do we go from humans started to create stories to the masterpiece that, objectively, the story of Christ, is? It takes the path of everything, that is complicated, does, the path of evolution. There was a mini evolution among stories that originated from the western culture. They were told from a generation to a generation and only stories that made sense, that were great, survived or were retold and ultimately have been written as the bible. It is the work of the principles of evolution and many anonymous writers and editors. Thats what accounts for complexity of religious texts. You can make a masterpiece and dont know why it is a masterpiece. The best way to demonstrate how that is possible is to reflect on yourself. Youve probably tried to, at one point in your life, create a storyn a movie or a series or a comic book, something. And youve probably had some amazing idea for plot that was so amazing you could barely stand the excitement youve experienced at that moment. Everybody had that moment. The question is, why did that plot make you feel excited and not some other plot? What is about storytelling thats so exciting? The answer is the same that guided writers and editors to the story of Jesus and thats that we intuitevly know when we hit the jackpot in storytelling and when we dont. Hitting the jackpot is the moment when we nail the archtypes of the story and we nail the way interact between each other in the way that makes perfect sense. This is where wisdom lies. That "perfect sense" is your brain telling you there is something fundamentally important about that.
Through series of "this makes sense" moments, people can create the bible without knowing why it makes sense. When Jordan Peterson goes out there and blows your mind with insights he got from the bible, what he is doing is explaining and artixulating why it makes sense.
And this is not unique to the bible, every story that has ever been told can be artixulated and explained. The best movies and books and series of all times completely nail the archtypes and their interactions which means all of them are full of wisdom. You can learn from them as muxh from the bible.
I could go on, but this is where my thoughts are about religion atm.
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