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I understand the sentiment tbh, if someone comes out to you about their abuse you should treat them with support and good faith but at the same time that does not mean whoever they accused should be instantly lampooned. Even if the accuser isn't lying, they could just have misidentified them, that happens sometimes. I think it's a fundamentally good sentiment corrupted by terrible messaging and bad faith actors like Heard.
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It’s the oldest trick in the book - give out money/food in a very public way to boost your image and deafen all criticism. Roman emperors did it, kings did it, robber barons did it and corporations still do it.
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I think at bare minimum, it's now much harder for him to do any collabs. He's pretty despised by now in the content creator sphere, so he can't really collab with anyone self-respecting without them risking an audience backlash. That limits him to amoral clout goblins with child audiences like Logan Paul and himself.
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I think the important thing to understand is that genuinely altruistic people don't try to sell how altruistic they are to everyone they can. They'll do what they do regardless of whether anyone knows or cares they're doing it. There is something of a fine line though, because self promotion is necessary to secure help and funding, but I think the rule of thumb is that a genuine person will be like "Look at this good thing we're doing." while a disingenuous person will be more like "Look at what I'M doing. ME."
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@Code7Unltd I always think of that scene in Gladiator where Commodus has bread and money thrown out into the crowd at the colloseum. Sure, on a surface level he's doing a good thing and feeding hungry people, but it's done entirely by an evil man to maintain his popularity and therefore his power.
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I like to think the overwhelming backlash against them killed the grift early but realistically they got a shitton of money anyway and just peaced out. leaving all the delusional NFT cultists holding the bag.
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@r0x0r-p4t "What's the difference between a good lawyer and a bad lawyer? A bad lawyer might screw up and let a case drag on for years, a good lawyer will make it last much longer."
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I don't think they should have their right to sue revoked, they should be forced to incur all the legal costs for both plaintiff and defendent of future lawsuits if they prove themselves to be a vexatious litigant.
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@cosmefulanito5052 Logan Paul's pretty widely reviled, too. Like I said, he's being increasingly limited to collabs with amoral clout goblins.
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Tesla could be one of them, considering how routinely he shills them in his videos.
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I'm a little worried this might somehow work for them and carve NFTs an actual foothold in the gaming industry, but otherwise I'm ready to laugh as this fails miserably and dooms a once great company.
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How does the MrBeast team not know what the Streisand Effect is? Dude could've kept quiet and this all probably would've blown over as people move onto the next thing. Trying to cover everything up has just put fuel on the fire and made sure this stuff will never come down.
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Calling him Mr Yeast feels like an insult to yeast. Yeast makes bread for children while Mr Beast just exploits them.
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yeah honestly i didnt think the rigging contests thing was all that bad morally, but that shit is really vile.
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I have zero respect for the man, but he's (unintentionally) made Twitter the most entertaining it's been in years. Dude's turning himself into a lolcow and he's taking down Twitter and Tesla with him.
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It made me so angry that he cried as if it was his fault. Not at him obviously, but at the scumbags who made him feel like it was.
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Schizobait aside, it's kind of impressive just how consistently NFT bros manage to piss off and antagonise pretty much every other community around them. Nobody told them to paint over a famous tag then insult everybody angry about it, but they did it and boom, thats yet another community that despises them. The rate they pile up enemies almost rivals that of Nazi Germany... wait...
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It's not even wrongthink, I've had completely 100% polite comments deleted because they so much as hinted at bad language or topics the algorithm doesn't like
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That second point honestly makes me feel like a relic. The only social media account I have online with my real name attached is my Facebook, and I havent posted on that since like 2013 And I never even put any of my photos on it lol
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IMO this ad perfectly demonstrates the difference between a nerd and a tech bro. A nerd appreciates the artistry and engineering behind old things, and the tactile value they have. A tech bro on the other hand considers it trash to be discarded for the New Thing (tm)
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For me, I figured "eh at least he's doing some good" and mostly ignored him for a while until when he pumped one of Gary Vee's crypto scams. I've never trusted him since, though I have a personal rule to never forgive anyone who got on the web3 train without a full apology, it's yet to fail me.
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It couldn't be our precious Jimmy! Grifting them blind, and HE gets to be an influencer? WHAT A SICK JOKE!
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Honestly it's the classic lesson of how giving massive wealth/power to someone at a young age tends to end badly. Best case scenario they simply handle all that responsibility poorly, worst case the power corrupts them.
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@4_am Not just that, I am 90% certain they use sentiment analysis or some other ML technique for content moderation. I've had comments I'm sure had no-no words deleted because I was too negative about a subject (A subject that wasn't even a hot topic, too)
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@_..-.._..-.._ W niece/nephew. Maybe the kids really are alright
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At this point, I kind of consider Silicon Valley investors to be a lower order of human life. How else can they be dumb enough to fall for the worst ideas over and over and over?
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I kind of wonder if he’s just too egotistical to admit he was wrong, or if there’s some behind the scenes shenanigans. Either way, real class act sticking up for the guys who supported an artist that drew vile art of your daughter.
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I think this will damage his ability to expand though. Children tend to mimic whatever the older kids/young adults do and if they all hate Jimmy they’ll be more inclined to ditch him. I think he’s not going away anytime soon, but this may be the beginning of a plateau before his decline.
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My personal favourite description is "Low budget single player Stanford Prison experiment"
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Ironically Coffeezilla has video out there of him glazing Mr Beast. I don’t think he’s nefarious, I think he just fell for the grift. Probably won’t be covering Beast either because he has his hands full with Logan Paul’s lawsuit. As always, nobody is immune to scams/propaganda.
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There are some genuinely really nice selfless people, but they don't advertise that fact to anyone who will listen. They do good deeds for their own reasons - whether it be empathy, faith, past experiences, or just because it's feels good to help someone out.
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I remember having some internet issues years back, so I googled my internet provider's contact details, but didn't realize I had clicked on a sponsored link instead. I wasted an entire fucking hour on queue only for it to not even be the right company. I quickly learned to scroll past sponsored links after that.
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At this point I genuinely assume any AI industry figure is lying until they're proven to have told the truth. None of these people are trustworthy. Not a one.
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DnD is actual social interaction though, you can make real friends with it.
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You don't get it, they're not terrified. Gamergate has been a very profitable enterprise for some (both on the left and the right), it is in their best interest to pump up its threat and legacy as much as possible to boost their own careers. It's a grift.
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That's the reality with Youtube. Creators with massive child audiences are basically untouchable because their audiences are often too young to know or care about scandals. Pretty much the only way they're ever cancelled is if they themselves are caught getting inappropriate with kids.
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@potatopatato1565 what’s coffeezilla got to do with this?
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I really dont like this idea that only pdfs cover and defend for other pdfs. You see this shit all the time for people in power, it doesn't matter if it's corporate, hollywood, education or religious. Someone with power and influence gets outed as a predator, and people around them with power and influence to lose (plus a lack of morals) will cover it up to save their reputation and therefore power. It's a systemic issue in many ways.
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IMO there's still a very good chance he can ride this out until the news cycle moves on. I'd love to be proven wrong but influencers with child audiences tend to be pretty much invulnerable to scandal. The ava kris tyson situation is probably the most likely to bring him down, because scandals involving kids tend to hurt these youtubers the most, but since he himself did nothing (although he apparently knew), he can still make this go away.
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I can't change your mind on something thats objectively true
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It's made me think of an idea I've had bouncing around in my head where we intentionally poison these dystopian apps with intentionally nonsensical and ridiculous information. I've been thinking about ways to do that with my internet footprint for a while.
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@leonnunhofer3453 Mr Beast literally starting the apocalypse would be funny as fuck ngl
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idk it was a big dumb entertaining trainwreck but I feel like the 2016 US election cycle was just funnier in every single way.
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While generally true, there are unique conditions where the losers essentially get to maybe not write their history, but define the terms and set the tone of it. WW2 is a great example of this - because of the Cold War the US was very interested to hear what the guys who were just fighting them had to say, and the Soviets were not exactly in a mood to talk and debunk anything they were saying. This is the reason why theres so much mythologizing and straight up BS floating around regarding the Eastern Front.
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Thats never been a thing people said dude. Like, ever. Even back in the 2000s my parents were warning me about the potential risks of the internet.
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@Nanerpus27 He might be able to collab, but only with other clout goblins like Logan Paul.
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I've read that some companies use CEOs as a scapegoat for implementing changes they know will be extremely unpopular - they make the changes, people get mad at the CEO, the company makes a big show of getting them to leave while minimizing the fact that they're keeping all the changes the CEO was purportedly responsible for.
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This kind of depraved crap has always been around, the only thing that's really changed is how publicly accessible it is. Spring-heeled Jack comes to mind, who, if he existed, was probably some little shit nobles with too much time on their hands.
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Apparently they’re so hard up for data they’re using AI to create data to train their AIs. You might actually get your wish
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I've never trusted him ever since he admitted to participating in one of Gary Vee's NFT pump and dumps. Even associating with someone that shady is bad, but doing that and not apologizing? He is not to be trusted.
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