Comments by "Sunoo Peek" (@Sunopeek) on "travelingisrael.com"
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My response. I don't expect to change anyones mind. This is just my perspective. You posted a serious video, so I'm attempting a serious response.
1. Why do we care? The same reason we cared about the Holocaust.
Humans have something called empathy that makes people feel pain when they see babies being killed. You baby killer Israelis should look up that definition.
All those other conflicts don't involve a Western colonizer that conquered land from 3rd world countries and then rewrote history to portray itself as an eternal victim.
And how is deflecting to other problems a defense for killing babies?
2. Other problems occurring: Killing babies is wrong. Livestreaming your atrocities and admitting to committing war crimes on tik tok is Nazi Germany level of insanity. And your defense is to deflect to another problem?
3. Stolen land:
You lived there 4000 years ago? So if we find the descendants of the people who lived there before you 4001 years ago, we can kick you out and have them take over your lands? You see how crazy that logic is?
UN had no authority to split the land in 1948. The parition plan was a *suggestion*. Israel mistook it as the law and violently took over, killing thousands in the process. See 1948 tantura massacre (Israeli documentary) as one example.
Prior to the partition, Jews owned 10% of land through purchase. After the parition plan, Israelis declared independence and massacred everyone within their zone. This is generally considered a declaration of war. So the neighbors invaded not to "kill the Jews" but to bring justice to the Palestinians but failed.
1967 was an illegal and unnecessary war started BY Israel. Israel admitted years later that there was no threat of invasion, and they just wanted to expand their lands. An American intelligence assessment came to the same conclusion. Even now, the settlements being constantly built are illegal. This is stealing land through displacement and violence.
Anyone would gladly have their lands go from 10% to 51% and receive the fertile lands with water and established British infrastructure.
Why would any country agree to having its lands taken from 90% to 49% and receive nothing in return?
Europe persecuted the Jews for centuries. Germany committed the Holocaust. Why should Palestinians pay the price?
4. Independent state establishment: I don't know. Probably because they are busy trying to fight off a murderous colonizing Western invader backed by WWII superpowers?
This is like asking, "Why didn't the Jews accept being eliminated by the Nazis? Why did they fight back? Why didn't Poland accept Nazi Germanies' invasion? Why did the WWII countries not accept Nazi Germanys' conquest?"
5. Egypt: they don't open the border because they don't want to clean up Israels' mess. If they open the border, Israel will expel all the Palestinians, force Egypt to take all responsibility.
Israel would then take over Gaza and never give it back or allow anyone to return as they did before. Egypt knows from experience that Israel only understands the language of death and war just like the Nazis. Egypt had to defeat them in 1973 to get the Sinai back.
Egypt is a poor developing country despite its massive semi-modern army. It already has a huge refugee population. If Israel wants to go on a genocidal spree on a population that can't defend itself, then it needs to handle the consequences, not export the problem to Egypt.
6. Genocide: This is like saying, "There is no potential genocide against the Jews. Their current 1939 population is 16.7 million, up from 15.7 million in 1931!"
Genocidal actions and genocidal words are being used by Israel leaders and soldiers. Your actions and words dont match. The world is seeing the videos coming from Gaza while Israel censors it.
You say one thing as PR in english to the international community, but say your true thoughts in Hebrew to the Israel audience. And we're talking about Israeli leaders in positions of power, not fringe members of society.
7. I have never seen any Arab call a black man as "Abd," and I've lived with them for decades. Arabs proudly call themselves "abd-ul-rahman," which literally means "Slave of God the Merciful." Abd is likely an Archaic term for black slaves centuries ago.
I don't understand your argument on point 7 since you jumped between multiple topics.
8. State of Palestinian: A state where Palestinians have dignity and respect.
In 1973, Egyptians defeated Israel despite being a much inferior army and regained their dignity. Israel then gained a powerful ally and peace as a result.
The goal is to give Palestinians a state and dignity so they dont resort to violence in response to srael's 24/7 aggression and harassments.
When you orphan babies and give them no justice, compensation, or closure, do you expect them to grow up loving your country?
9. R-word: There is documentation of Israelis raping Palestinians women in all conflicts, even during this war.
Each army has lunatics that rape. Very few armies have people who boast about it on social media like Israel does. Each army censors about the rapes/crimes/losses it commited. This was standard practice to maintain morale, and the IDF censors are no exception.
Israel lies a lot, so it's hard to tell facts from fiction at times.
10. Violent riots: I've been seeing all the protests since the conflict began. I haven't seen a single violent protest on either the Pro Palestinian or Pro Israel side.
Don't the Palestinians see Israel as basically a Nazi Germany that won and rewrote history to portray itself as a victim? The Jews had a happy ending with Nazi Germany (it was defeated), but the Palestinians never got their happy ending.
Now, here are my questions I'd like you to answer:
World anger is because of Israel killing thousands and thousands of babies, and your response is to deflect and change the subject to other problems? Have you seen the deplorable conduct by the IDF acting unprofessionally in Gaza?
How many orphans are you creating that will have no avenue to release their anger but to join Hamas or a similar organization?
If Israel continued to buy the land gradually and eventually reached the 50% mark instead of violently conquering other lands, would we have the conflict as we know it today?
If violence was the answer, it would have worked a long time ago. If Hamas is defeated, another will rise decades in the future, seeking revenge for the death of their loved ones. Isn't Israel trading its population's future peace and security for temporary peace and security today?
There needs to be another solution to this conflict, than both of you guys constantly provoking and killing each other then pretending to be victims every few years.
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Disgusted and horrified, of course. How else would anyone react?
Thankfully, the 40 beheaded babies' story turned out to be another lie as per current Israeli reporting. The reporter who made that claim apologized because she was only repeating what she heard.
I say thankfully because it means no babies were slaughtered, and it was just a rumor.
No one actually saw beheaded babies, but the rumor spread like wildfire. Not even Biden saw beheaded babies, but he repeated the lie, and Israel corrected him.
Western journalists who saw the video generated by the IDF all claimed it was a horrific massacre, but they also didn't see any footage or evidence of decapitated babies or oven baked babies (e.g Owen Jones)
I saw some of the footage on telegraph as well, and it was horrible. What people don't mention is the footage of Hamas holding alive babies and saying, "Do you see Israel? We dont kill babies like you, we actually have mercy in our hearts!". That was surprising to see.
I really don't understand why Israel would lie about this. It only further damages its credibility. It's not like they lack evidence of Hamas' attacks on civilians, so why lie about the baby thing?
Israel had my sympathy on Oct 7, but they lost it after their conduct during the war. What Israel is doing to the innocent people is x10 worse than what Hamas did to the innocent on Oct 7.
If they want to use overwhelming force, that's 100% their right, but they shouldn't pretend to deserve sympathy in return, not when they've slaughtered thousands upon thousands of Palestinian babies.
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Serious people and serious topics deserve a respectful serious response, hence this lengthy reply.
Of course, they're suffering from it. They've been suffering for it for decades.
Jews were understandably angry at how they were treated like worthless cattle on the hands of Nazi Germany, but they had no one to take out their anger on except Palestinians. By conquering and killing a weaker population, they satisfied their urge for revenge and got drunk on it.
If Israelis came as immigrants, it wouldn't have been a problem. Jews lived peacefully under Muslim/Arab rule for centuries, or at the very least, significantly better than how they were treated under Europe.
But then the Israelis wanted ALL of Palestine from the people already living there while giving the Palestinians nothing in return. Why would anyone accept such a deal? And then they "compromised" and agreed to accept 51%. The reason was "Holocaust and our ancestors lived here 4000 years ago."
I want to ask you, if the people who lived in Palestine 5000 years ago came and said they wanted 50% of Israel, would you hand it over? And if they forcefully displaced, killed, and raped your population, would you fight or accept? How did Israel react to Oct 7? That's how Palestinians feel every day since Israel came to the region.
When Muslims were in power they treated the Jews better than Europe ever did, so seeing the Jews return the favor by colonizing and conquering the Palestinians in return for a crime they didn't commit (Holocaust) is a bit unbelievable.
I have never heard of their leadership co-operating with the Nazis. Everyone who didn't want to be killed or conquered by the Nazis likely co-operated with them. It's one thing to cooperate to stay alive and another thing to be actively sending people to the gas chambers. (I'm not saying there's no evil Palestinians who hated Jews, but that I'm not familiar with this part).
On the other hand, a lot of German companies were involved in the Holocaust yet they still exist today (Bayer, BMW, etc).
So of course there's good people everywhere, be they are Israeli, Arab or other. Some Israelis understand that continuing the cycle of violence isn't the answer.
The average Hamas is motivated by the fact that Israel killed their friends and family. Thats why they don't care if they get blown by a tank or a bomb. They have nothing left but hatred and no venue to release it. How many new Hamas recruits is Israel creating every day? How many Hamas sympathizers is Israel creating every day? If overwhelming force was the solution, it would have worked a long time ago.
Hamas' founder said he has no hatred for Jews as they are brothers in religion. His hatred was for the Invader Israel. Israel still killed him regardless, but his spirit came back as the Yasin RPG.
This is why people say Hamas is an idea, not an organization. It's the idea that Israel can kill as many innocent people as it wants and face no consequences while the world just watches. It's the idea that Israel can kill, torture, and steal when no one is watching and face no consequences. Thats why Hamas can easily kill civilians and innocent as well, because they believe they're following Israeli's example.
The closest analogy I can think of is this. Imagine Jews breaking out of concentration camp during the Holocaust and they managed to grab a bunch of Nazis and their families. What do you think would happen? Of course, you wouldn't condone the killing of innocent children, but you'd definitely understand the driving emotions inside them.
There is no easy answer to this problem. Everyone wants this land, and no one wants their loved ones to die, but both sides are stuck in a cycle of revenge, violence, and hatred.
If Israel thinks overwhelming force is the solution and not a political solution, then they are deluded. Another replacement for Hamas will rise decades later. Israelis leadership is currently sacrificing its future population's safety and security in return for temporary safety today.
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