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Thanks for honoring my freedom of speech.
The following book is based on how hundreds of members of ex-Clergy are stepping down from their pulpits, to find employment far away from religion.
My guess is, being that Jordan Peterson and his religious sermons are transphobic, he would find the following information not only disagreeable … but also detestable.
From Apostle to Apostate: The Story of the Clergy Project … authors … Catherine Dunphy, Richard Dawkins ... Ninety-six percent of members did not self-report a sexual orientation, so unfortunately I have no reliable or meaningful data about the percentages of Clergy Project members who identify as straight, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered, or queer. However, as will be discussed in ensuing chapters, many Clergy Project members have said that, as part of their transition away from faith, they gradually shifted from being socially conservative to socially liberal.
One of the key factors contributing to this shift relates to their changing views about sexual morality, sexual ethics, and sexual orientation, and increased awareness of and attention to universal rights for all, particularly as relates to women and LGBT individuals.
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@margaretmckinnon2681 Here is my point of view about the innate character of Jordan Peterson. After reading the following ... please let me know if you disagree with me ... and on what points.
My guess is that when Jordan recently created the podcast The Monster of Self-Guilt: “The Devil is Always in the Details” … it was his own conscience crying out to be relieved of its heavy burden, as his conscience is fully aware that he earned his millions of dollars by being deceptive.
#1 Jordan made the choice to play party politics as a Conservative … which lead him to state that the Liberal Prime Minister of Canada Justin Trudeau was trying to take freedom of speech away from Canadians … when the truth was and is … that it was The Board of Psychologists in Ontario, Canada, that were receiving complaints from irate citizens concerning Jordan’s misuse of his license as a psychologist to in turn play party politics on social media.
#2 Jordan went on social media to preach his (either Catholic or Protestant) Christian religion … which was another misuse of his license as a Professor of Psychology.
#3 As a heterosexual … Jordan chose to preach that there isn’t any such condition as “being” transgender. And he did that under the guise of psychology … rather than admitting, “This is my personal opinion, based on my interpretation of the Christian Bible.”
#4 Jordan claimed that he was being forced to use words that respected those who (say) they are transgender … when the truth is … he didn’t have to say those words at all. His statement was that he would not be “forced” to say those words … which is much different than taking “away” freedom of speech. He wanted his followers on social media to believe that someone from the Canadian government was going to approach him and say, “You HAVE to say those pronouns, or we are going to throw you in jail.”
#5 Had Jordan created a disclaimer on every podcast … that his opinions were personal on all subjects … and did not represent his training as a psychologist … he would not have had any reason to even go to court … much less be retrained as a psychologist. And his conscience would not be creating havoc in his own mentality … which should be plain to all … by his following words from his more recent podcast.
“The Monster of Self-Guilt: “The Devil is Always in the Details” … “Yeah well, one of the things you learn if you are a clinician and you have any sense, is, also, is also why you don’t offer people advice. But I don’t know what the hell you should do. Like maybe you and I could figure it out together with some really careful thought, but I can’t … most people are in situations that are sufficiently complex, so that I can’t … casual advice is just not helpful. I mean there is a real arrogance in that. The same arrogance as judgement, like.”
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@HerveMendell My perception is that the earliest of theologians claimed that gods were talking to them ... but that story was not as effective as the theologians expected. So they created stories that humans were SO evil ... and SO disobedient to the gods, that the gods felt impelled to send their own sons to earth ... to in turn warn the evil humans that they MUST repent of sin TO these sons of gods ... or spend eternity in the "afterlife" suffering.
The supposed savior of souls of Christians, was just the most recent savior-myth story. Example as follows, and please note how Chrishna was spelled, before the Christians came up with the word Christ, and how the Hindus then changed the spelling of their supposed savior to "Krishna."
From the book … The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors … Christianity before Christ, by Kersey Graves … first published in 1875.
and finally these twenty Jesus Christs (accepting their character for the name) laid the foundation for the salvation of the world, and ascended back to heaven.
1. Chrishna of Hindostan.
2. Budha Sakia of India.
3. Salivahana of Bermuda
4. Zulis, or Zhule, also Osiris and Orus, of Egypt.
5. Odin of the Scandinavians.
6. Crite of Chaldea.
7. Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia.
8. Baal and Taut, “the only Begotten of God,” of Phenicia.
9. Indra of Thibet.
10. Bali of Afghanistan.
11. Jao of Nepaul.
12. Wittoa of the Bilingonese.
13. Thammuz of Syria.
14. Atys of Phrygia.
15. Xamolxis of Thrace.
16. Zoar of the Bonzes.
17. Adad of Assyria.
18. Deva Tat,aud Sammonocadam of Siam.
19. Alcides of Thebes.
20. Mikado of the Sintoos.
21. Beddru of Japan.
22. Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids.
23. Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls.
24. Cadmus of Greece.
25. Hil and Feta of the Mandaites.
26. Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico.
27. Universal Monarch of the Sibyls.
28. Ischy of the Island of Formosa.
29. Divine teacher of Plato.
30. Holy One of xaca.
31. Fohi and Tien of China.
32. Adonis, son of the virgin Io of Greece.
33. Ision and Quirinus of Rome.
34. Prometheus of Caucasus.
35. Mohammud, or Mahomet, of Arabia.
These have all received divine honors, have nearly all been worshiped as Gods, or sons of Gods; were mostly incarnated as Christs, Saviors, Messiahs, or Mediators; not a few of them were reputedly born of virgins; some of them filling a character almost identical with that ascribed by the Christian’s bible to Jesus Christ; many of them like him, are reported crucified; and all of them, taken together, furnish a prototype and parallel for nearly every important incident and wonder-inciting miracle, doctrine and precept recorded in the New Testament, of the Christian’s Savior. Surely, with so many Saviors the world cannot, or should not, be lost.
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@juliaclothier My perception is that the earliest of theologians claimed that gods were talking to them ... but that story was not as effective as the theologians expected. So they created stories that humans were SO evil ... and SO disobedient to the gods, that the gods felt impelled to send their own sons to earth ... to in turn warn the evil humans that they MUST repent of sin TO these sons of gods ... or spend eternity in the "afterlife" suffering.
The supposed savior of souls of Christians, was just the most recent savior-myth story. Example as follows, and please note how Chrishna was spelled, before the Christians came up with the word Christ, and how the Hindus then changed the spelling of their supposed savior to "Krishna."
From the book … The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors … Christianity before Christ, by Kersey Graves … first published in 1875.
and finally these twenty Jesus Christs (accepting their character for the name) laid the foundation for the salvation of the world, and ascended back to heaven.
1. Chrishna of Hindostan.
2. Budha Sakia of India.
3. Salivahana of Bermuda
4. Zulis, or Zhule, also Osiris and Orus, of Egypt.
5. Odin of the Scandinavians.
6. Crite of Chaldea.
7. Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia.
8. Baal and Taut, “the only Begotten of God,” of Phenicia.
9. Indra of Thibet.
10. Bali of Afghanistan.
11. Jao of Nepaul.
12. Wittoa of the Bilingonese.
13. Thammuz of Syria.
14. Atys of Phrygia.
15. Xamolxis of Thrace.
16. Zoar of the Bonzes.
17. Adad of Assyria.
18. Deva Tat,aud Sammonocadam of Siam.
19. Alcides of Thebes.
20. Mikado of the Sintoos.
21. Beddru of Japan.
22. Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids.
23. Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls.
24. Cadmus of Greece.
25. Hil and Feta of the Mandaites.
26. Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico.
27. Universal Monarch of the Sibyls.
28. Ischy of the Island of Formosa.
29. Divine teacher of Plato.
30. Holy One of xaca.
31. Fohi and Tien of China.
32. Adonis, son of the virgin Io of Greece.
33. Ision and Quirinus of Rome.
34. Prometheus of Caucasus.
35. Mohammud, or Mahomet, of Arabia.
These have all received divine honors, have nearly all been worshiped as Gods, or sons of Gods; were mostly incarnated as Christs, Saviors, Messiahs, or Mediators; not a few of them were reputedly born of virgins; some of them filling a character almost identical with that ascribed by the Christian’s bible to Jesus Christ; many of them like him, are reported crucified; and all of them, taken together, furnish a prototype and parallel for nearly every important incident and wonder-inciting miracle, doctrine and precept recorded in the New Testament, of the Christian’s Savior. Surely, with so many Saviors the world cannot, or should not, be lost.
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@gardenjoy5223 If Jordan was a Muslim or a Hindu ... or ... a Liberal ... would you be thinking he was BRILLIANT?
You only approve of what he preaches ... because it was what you already believed ... before you ever heard him speak.
If Jordan gets away with becoming a multi-millionaire by USING his license as a psychologist to counsel millions of people on his media sites ... then all other psychologists and psychiatrists should also have the same privilege as Jordan … because why would they want to sit in their offices, counseling one or two or five people at a time for a pittance, when they can do as Jordan did by going on social media and become mega-famous … and … mega-wealthy?
And as citizens, we should be wary of the fact that therapists don't even come close to agreeing with each other’s type of “counsel.”
Jordan insists on preaching from his Christian bible. So, that would give Muslim psychologist “the right” to use their licenses to preach Islam on social media … and Wiccan Psychologists to preach Wicca on social media … et cetera.
Don't you think that we are in a big enough mess already?
Bill Maher, sitting with Doctor Phil on Club Random said … “I’ve always thought shrinks were the craziest people in the world. Is that wrong?”
Doctor Phil’s response … “Well, I saw a study a long time ago that said most, and I don’t know if it was bullsh*t or what, but it said that an awful lot of people go into psychology originally because they are all screwed up and they think if they study it, they’ll figure it out and get better.”
Bill’s response … “Right… that’s interesting.”
And Doctor Phil continued … “And I saw a follow up that said, ‘Did it work?’ And it said, ‘not even almost.’”
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Thanks for honoring free speech.
Those who are psychologists should not be out in the public sphere, playing party politics … and preaching their personalized religion as being truth from a god, or from anywhere else.
I listened to the other television preacher Phil McGraw, saying in an interview on television, that he is PROUD to be a Christian.
If as a child, you thought you were transgender ... which psychologist would YOU hope your parents would choose as their advisers?
Phil McGraw is transgender friendly supportive of their journeys, and Jordan Peterson is the exact opposite. In January Jordan claimed on “The Joe Rogan Experience” podcast that being transgender is a result of a “social contagion” and similar to “satanic ritual abuse,” and suggested that acceptance of the trans community is a sign that “civilization’s collapsing.”
You can't trust a psychologist to KNOW what is right or wrong for your personal journey?
A short while back, I learned of a case where two parents that didn't agree, took their two children to a family session for psychological counseling.
After the session, the husband (father of the children) went home and hung himself.
I suggest that you do NOT trust psychologists to guide your life, as they are just ordinary people, with ordinary opinions ... who do not even agree with each other's "counsel."
Add religion to THAT mix ... and you will have REAL problems.
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If Jordan gets away with becoming a multi-millionaire by USING his license as a psychologist to counsel millions of people on his media sites ... then all other psychologists and psychiatrists should also have the same privilege as Jordan … because why would they want to sit in their offices, counseling one or two or five people at a time for a pittance, when they can do as Jordan did by going on social media and become mega-famous … and … mega-wealthy?
And as citizens, we should be wary of the fact that therapists don't even come close to agreeing with each other’s type of “counsel.”
Jordan insists on preaching from his Christian bible. So, that would give Muslim psychologist “the right” to use their licenses to preach Islam on social media … and Wiccan Psychologists to preach Wicca on social media … et cetera.
Don't you think that we are in a big enough mess already?
Bill Maher, sitting with Doctor Phil on Club Random said … “I’ve always thought shrinks were the craziest people in the world. Is that wrong?”
Doctor Phil’s response … “Well, I saw a study a long time ago that said most, and I don’t know if it was bullsh*t or what, but it said that an awful lot of people go into psychology originally because they are all screwed up and they think if they study it, they’ll figure it out and get better.”
Bill’s response … “Right… that’s interesting.”
And Doctor Phil continued … “And I saw a follow up that said, ‘Did it work?’ And it said, ‘not even almost.’”
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@scout2469 "Let thy will be done," doesn't mean to pray to a god to fix anything ... unless of course he WANTS to intervene.
It just means "I won't try to pretend what god wills for me ... or for others."
I'm an Atheist now, so I don't believe the scribes were taking messages from gods "in the first place" ... but I do believe they were all imaging what a god would say ... IF the god existed.
Example ... from the book TALK TALK
TALK
By Jay Ingram … an investigation into the mystery of speech …
If it sounds all too bizarre, take Jaynes’s favorite example, Homer’s Iliad. This epic poem comes down to us, Jaynes argues, from pre-conscious or bicameral times. He claims that there are almost no examples in the Iliad of anyone acting on his own free will, or making decisions of any kind that aren’t dictated by the gods. They never sit down and decide what to do. When Agamemnon steals Achilles’ mistress, a god warns Achilles not to retaliate. Gods start the quarrels that cause the war, gods plan the strategy, a god leads the armies into battle, a god whispers to Helen, gods do everything. When Achilles reminds Agamemnon that he has stolen his mistress, Agamemnon replies, “Not I was the cause of the act, but Zeus …” The Iliad is only one example: there are many others that can be interpreted as showing that people at that time needed their own auditory hallucinations to act.
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@kalburgy2114 I don't believe Jesus was anything other than myth. But if you believe is real ... which religion do you believe he would support as being his one and only truth ... Judaism ... Catholicism ... or Protestantism?
At 70 years of age, I became an Atheist. I'm 84 now.
Thankfully … now that hundreds of members of clergy are leaving religion behind ... there is hope for everyone.
From the book ... Apostle to Apostate: The Story of the Clergy Project … authors … Catherine Dunphy, Richard Dawkins
When you are reared to think of your faith and its leaders as infallible, dissent can be an unsettling thing. This is particularly true for clergy, who have devoted their lives to the subject of faith. I therefore especially hope that this story reaches those clergy who have yet to articulate their doubts.
As they struggle through this process, I am thankful that they can look to the Clergy Project as an example of community and humanism as an example of good. As former clergy who have left churches of every denomination, synagogues, mosques, convents, monasteries, and theological institutions, we stand as examples of the reasonableness of doubt and its thoughtful conclusions. I cannot help but think that we offer a compelling voice for why science and secularism do a better job than religion and superstition of answering the so-called ultimate questions.
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@studio28music97 Your words were "I didn't mention others. We should strive to fight against evil wherever we may encounter it. Within or outside of ourselves."
And my suggestion to you is ... that you should never believe you see EVIL in others ... OR ... in yourself ... because that type of thinking drove many people to commit murder and suicide.
If you think of yourself as being in the same boat as others because of having problems ... that removes the religious word EVIL out of your thoughts.
The word EVIL was created by ancient men that were convinced that an EVIL DEVIL was REAL and was trying to LEAD THEM and others INTO TEMPTATION!
Religion never was ... and is NOT ... good.
Thankfully … now that hundreds of members of clergy are leaving religion behind ... there is hope for everyone.
From the book ... Apostle to Apostate: The Story of the Clergy Project … authors … Catherine Dunphy, Richard Dawkins
When you are reared to think of your faith and its leaders as infallible, dissent can be an unsettling thing. This is particularly true for clergy, who have devoted their lives to the subject of faith. I therefore especially hope that this story reaches those clergy who have yet to articulate their doubts.
As they struggle through this process, I am thankful that they can look to the Clergy Project as an example of community and humanism as an example of good. As former clergy who have left churches of every denomination, synagogues, mosques, convents, monasteries, and theological institutions, we stand as examples of the reasonableness of doubt and its thoughtful conclusions. I cannot help but think that we offer a compelling voice for why science and secularism do a better job than religion and superstition of answering the so-called ultimate questions.
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@kalburgy2114 Within twisted theology ... if Jesus believed that he was not good ... why trust him ... or worship him? The double-talk of religion, drove many humans to insanity and to suicide.
Thankfully … now that hundreds of members of clergy are leaving religion behind ... there is hope for everyone.
From the book ... Apostle to Apostate: The Story of the Clergy Project … authors … Catherine Dunphy, Richard Dawkins
When you are reared to think of your faith and its leaders as infallible, dissent can be an unsettling thing. This is particularly true for clergy, who have devoted their lives to the subject of faith. I therefore especially hope that this story reaches those clergy who have yet to articulate their doubts.
As they struggle through this process, I am thankful that they can look to the Clergy Project as an example of community and humanism as an example of good. As former clergy who have left churches of every denomination, synagogues, mosques, convents, monasteries, and theological institutions, we stand as examples of the reasonableness of doubt and its thoughtful conclusions. I cannot help but think that we offer a compelling voice for why science and secularism do a better job than religion and superstition of answering the so-called ultimate questions.
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@scout2469 For theologians to teach devotees that prayers will be “answered” … leads to great disappointments.
And why would the devotees in the following story not WANT the soul of the child to go to heaven … if they believe that heaven is a desired place TO go?
From the book … Does This Mean You'll See Me Naked?: Field Notes from a Funeral Director ... author Robert Webster
Never have I seen the holidays more prominent than in the case of a minister's seven-year-old daughter. She was afflicted with erythroblastosis and finally succumbed, outliving her doctor's predictions by three years. She died in late November. This charismatic minister and several of his flock waited for me to arrive at the hospital to take his child to the funeral home. I placed her little body in the vehicle, and the entire group returned to their cars to follow me. The pastor-led mourners even accompanied me into the preparation room and assisted me in placing the girl on the table.
My waiting employer and I soon learned that the assembled congregation planned to keep vigil while we embalmed the body. As soon as the doors closed, they began chanting, wailing, and saying desperate heart-felt prayers--and they continued for hours. I wept as I worked, hearing this heartbroken clergy, his wife, and his friends pleading with God to please bring their little girl back to life. Of course, it was not to be, and even I felt a little cheated on their behalf that God did not answer prayers so genuinely offered.
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@joelandsharonoas7315 I became tired of theologians of all religions pulling the wool over their follower's eyes, and so I decided to do something about it by exposing the lies.
Atheist ... "Do you know for certain that a god exists?
Theologian ... "YES I DO?
Atheist ... Do you know what the god knows?
Theologian ... "NO!. I do NOT! What God knows is beyond all human ability TO know."
Atheist ... "Then why are you pretending that you do know?"
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Thankfully … now that hundreds of members of clergy are leaving religion behind ... there is hope for everyone.
From the book ... Apostle to Apostate: The Story of the Clergy Project … authors … Catherine Dunphy, Richard Dawkins
When you are reared to think of your faith and its leaders as infallible, dissent can be an unsettling thing. This is particularly true for clergy, who have devoted their lives to the subject of faith. I therefore especially hope that this story reaches those clergy who have yet to articulate their doubts.
As they struggle through this process, I am thankful that they can look to the Clergy Project as an example of community and humanism as an example of good. As former clergy who have left churches of every denomination, synagogues, mosques, convents, monasteries, and theological institutions, we stand as examples of the reasonableness of doubt and its thoughtful conclusions. I cannot help but think that we offer a compelling voice for why science and secularism do a better job than religion and superstition of answering the so-called ultimate questions.
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@joelandsharonoas7315 Thankfully … now that hundreds of members of clergy of various religious “persuasions” are leaving religion behind ... there is hope for everyone.
From the book ... Apostle to Apostate: The Story of the Clergy Project … authors … Catherine Dunphy, Richard Dawkins
When you are reared to think of your faith and its leaders as infallible, dissent can be an unsettling thing. This is particularly true for clergy, who have devoted their lives to the subject of faith. I therefore especially hope that this story reaches those clergy who have yet to articulate their doubts.
As they struggle through this process, I am thankful that they can look to the Clergy Project as an example of community and humanism as an example of good. As former clergy who have left churches of every denomination, synagogues, mosques, convents, monasteries, and theological institutions, we stand as examples of the reasonableness of doubt and its thoughtful conclusions. I cannot help but think that we offer a compelling voice for why science and secularism do a better job than religion and superstition of answering the so-called ultimate questions.
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Thanks for honoring my freedom of speech.
Even Jordan knows that he is a fraud.
My guess is that when Jordan recently created the podcast The Monster of Self-Guilt: “The Devil is Always in the Details” … it was his own conscience crying out to be relieved of its heavy burden, as his conscience is fully aware that he earned his millions of dollars by being deceptive.
#1 Jordan made the choice to play party politics as a Conservative … which lead him to state that the Liberal Prime Minister of Canada Justin Trudeau was trying to take freedom of speech away from Canadians … when the truth was and is … that it was The Board of Psychologists in Ontario, Canada, that were receiving complaints from irate citizens concerning Jordan’s misuse of his license as a psychologist to in turn play party politics on social media.
#2 Jordan went on social media to preach his (either Catholic or Protestant) Christian religion … which was another misuse of his license as a Professor of Psychology.
#3 As a heterosexual … Jordan chose to preach that there isn’t any such condition as “being” transgender. And he did that under the guise of psychology … rather than admitting, “This is my personal opinion, based on my interpretation of the Christian Bible.”
#4 Jordan claimed that he was being forced to use words that respected those who (say) they are transgender … when the truth is … he didn’t have to say those words at all. His statement was that he would not be “forced” to say those words … which is much different than taking “away” freedom of speech. He wanted his followers on social media to believe that someone from the Canadian government was going to approach him and say, “You HAVE to say those pronouns, or we are going to throw you in jail.”
#5 Had Jordan created a disclaimer on every podcast … that his opinions were personal on all subjects … and did not represent his training as a psychologist … he would not have had any reason to even go to court … much less be retrained as a psychologist. And his conscience would not be creating havoc in his own mentality … which should be plain to all … by his following words from his more recent podcast.
“The Monster of Self-Guilt: “The Devil is Always in the Details” … “Yeah well, one of the things you learn if you are a clinician and you have any sense, is, also, is also why you don’t offer people advice. But I don’t know what the hell you should do. Like maybe you and I could figure it out together with some really careful thought, but I can’t … most people are in situations that are sufficiently complex, so that I can’t … casual advice is just not helpful. I mean there is a real arrogance in that. The same arrogance as judgement, like.”
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@jasintosamora5599 The supposed savior of souls of Christians, was just the most recent son of a god or gods savior-myth story. Example as follows, and please note how Chrishna was spelled, before the Christians came up with the word Christ, and how the Hindus then changed the spelling of their supposed savior to "Krishna."
From the book … The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors … Christianity before Christ, by Kersey Graves … first published in 1875.
and finally these twenty Jesus Christs (accepting their character for the name) laid the foundation for the salvation of the world, and ascended back to heaven.
1. Chrishna of Hindostan.
2. Budha Sakia of India.
3. Salivahana of Bermuda
4. Zulis, or Zhule, also Osiris and Orus, of Egypt.
5. Odin of the Scandinavians.
6. Crite of Chaldea.
7. Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia.
8. Baal and Taut, “the only Begotten of God,” of Phenicia.
9. Indra of Thibet.
10. Bali of Afghanistan.
11. Jao of Nepaul.
12. Wittoa of the Bilingonese.
13. Thammuz of Syria.
14. Atys of Phrygia.
15. Xamolxis of Thrace.
16. Zoar of the Bonzes.
17. Adad of Assyria.
18. Deva Tat,aud Sammonocadam of Siam.
19. Alcides of Thebes.
20. Mikado of the Sintoos.
21. Beddru of Japan.
22. Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids.
23. Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls.
24. Cadmus of Greece.
25. Hil and Feta of the Mandaites.
26. Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico.
27. Universal Monarch of the Sibyls.
28. Ischy of the Island of Formosa.
29. Divine teacher of Plato.
30. Holy One of xaca.
31. Fohi and Tien of China.
32. Adonis, son of the virgin Io of Greece.
33. Ision and Quirinus of Rome.
34. Prometheus of Caucasus.
35. Mohammud, or Mahomet, of Arabia.
These have all received divine honors, have nearly all been worshiped as Gods, or sons of Gods; were mostly incarnated as Christs, Saviors, Messiahs, or Mediators; not a few of them were reputedly born of virgins; some of them filling a character almost identical with that ascribed by the Christian’s bible to Jesus Christ; many of them like him, are reported crucified; and all of them, taken together, furnish a prototype and parallel for nearly every important incident and wonder-inciting miracle, doctrine and precept recorded in the New Testament, of the Christian’s Savior. Surely, with so many Saviors the world cannot, or should not, be lost.
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@jasintosamora5599 Thankfully … now that hundreds of members of clergy are leaving religion behind ... there is hope for everyone.
From the book ... Apostle to Apostate: The Story of the Clergy Project … authors … Catherine Dunphy, Richard Dawkins
When you are reared to think of your faith and its leaders as infallible, dissent can be an unsettling thing. This is particularly true for clergy, who have devoted their lives to the subject of faith. I therefore especially hope that this story reaches those clergy who have yet to articulate their doubts.
As they struggle through this process, I am thankful that they can look to the Clergy Project as an example of community and humanism as an example of good. As former clergy who have left churches of every denomination, synagogues, mosques, convents, monasteries, and theological institutions, we stand as examples of the reasonableness of doubt and its thoughtful conclusions. I cannot help but think that we offer a compelling voice for why science and secularism do a better job than religion and superstition of answering the so-called ultimate questions.
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Thanks for honoring my freedom of speech.
As the human population keeps on increasing, that results in more air, water, and land pollution.
As humans keep reproducing at a faster rate than humans are dying, common sense tells us that we are polluting more, rather than less.
Pollution is a fact of life, and unless there is a major catastrophe, such as a nuclear war ... we will keep polluting, because that is just how much all of us enjoy our personal comforts.
It’s not fair to blame the manufacturers of the products, because if we weren’t buying … they could not be selling. And of course, the manufacturers take their business to countries where the environmental laws are lax. We all look after number one first and foremost.
So ... let us not point fingers at others … or expect governments to clean up the impossible messes that all of us keep on creating.
What we destroy might ultimately destroy us … and that is only fair.
Meanwhile, we should keep our fingers pointing at ourselves … where they belong.
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@michaelrupf776 I prefer the term "searching for truth," rather than pretending to know truth.
All preachers of religion find it necessary to “give off an air” that “personally” they know that a god exists and that they also know what “God” is thinking.
Example ... from the book … Does This Mean You'll See Me Naked?: Field Notes from a Funeral Director ... author Robert Webster
Many years ago, I held several funerals at a fundamentalist church, where the minister promoted himself and his facility at every opportunity. "If Mr. Jones could rise up out of that casket and talk to you right now," he'd bellow, "he would tell you to come here every Sunday morning, every Sunday evening, every Wednesday evening and every Saturday evening. If you want to hear the true word of God, then you must come here."
The minister's congregation was not shy about sharing their beliefs, either. As I was manning the front door at a visitation one evening, a member of his congregation asked me where I went to church. When I responded, she said, "Well, I really feel sorry for you, because you are surely going to hell." When I asked why, she responded that only her church members would ever get to heaven.
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@stevengoldstein114 My perception is that the earliest of theologians claimed that gods were talking to them ... but that story was not as effective as the theologians expected. So they created stories that humans were SO evil ... and SO disobedient to the gods, that the gods felt impelled to send their own sons to earth ... to in turn warn the evil humans that they MUST repent of sin TO these sons of gods ... or spend eternity in the "afterlife" suffering.
The supposed savior of souls of Christians, was just the most recent savior-myth story. Example as follows, and please note how Chrishna was spelled, before the Christians came up with the word Christ, and how the Hindus then changed the spelling of their supposed savior to "Krishna."
From the book … The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors … Christianity before Christ, by Kersey Graves … first published in 1875.
and finally these twenty Jesus Christs (accepting their character for the name) laid the foundation for the salvation of the world, and ascended back to heaven.
1. Chrishna of Hindostan.
2. Budha Sakia of India.
3. Salivahana of Bermuda
4. Zulis, or Zhule, also Osiris and Orus, of Egypt.
5. Odin of the Scandinavians.
6. Crite of Chaldea.
7. Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia.
8. Baal and Taut, “the only Begotten of God,” of Phenicia.
9. Indra of Thibet.
10. Bali of Afghanistan.
11. Jao of Nepaul.
12. Wittoa of the Bilingonese.
13. Thammuz of Syria.
14. Atys of Phrygia.
15. Xamolxis of Thrace.
16. Zoar of the Bonzes.
17. Adad of Assyria.
18. Deva Tat,aud Sammonocadam of Siam.
19. Alcides of Thebes.
20. Mikado of the Sintoos.
21. Beddru of Japan.
22. Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids.
23. Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls.
24. Cadmus of Greece.
25. Hil and Feta of the Mandaites.
26. Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico.
27. Universal Monarch of the Sibyls.
28. Ischy of the Island of Formosa.
29. Divine teacher of Plato.
30. Holy One of xaca.
31. Fohi and Tien of China.
32. Adonis, son of the virgin Io of Greece.
33. Ision and Quirinus of Rome.
34. Prometheus of Caucasus.
35. Mohammud, or Mahomet, of Arabia.
These have all received divine honors, have nearly all been worshiped as Gods, or sons of Gods; were mostly incarnated as Christs, Saviors, Messiahs, or Mediators; not a few of them were reputedly born of virgins; some of them filling a character almost identical with that ascribed by the Christian’s bible to Jesus Christ; many of them like him, are reported crucified; and all of them, taken together, furnish a prototype and parallel for nearly every important incident and wonder-inciting miracle, doctrine and precept recorded in the New Testament, of the Christian’s Savior. Surely, with so many Saviors the world cannot, or should not, be lost.
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Thank you for honoring my freedom of speech.
If Jordan gets away with becoming a multi-millionaire by USING his license as a psychologist to counsel millions of people on his media sites ... then all other psychologists and psychiatrists should also have the same privilege as Jordan … because why would they want to sit in their offices, counseling one or two or five people at a time for a pittance, when they can do as Jordan did by going on social media and become mega-famous … and … mega-wealthy?
And as citizens, we should be wary of the fact that therapists don't even come close to agreeing with each other’s type of “counsel.”
Jordan insists on preaching from his Christian bible. So, that would give Muslim psychologist “the right” to use their licenses to preach Islam on social media … and Wiccan Psychologists to preach Wicca on social media … et cetera.
Don't you think that we are in a big enough mess already?
Bill Maher, sitting with Doctor Phil on Club Random said … “I’ve always thought shrinks were the craziest people in the world. Is that wrong?”
Doctor Phil’s response … “Well, I saw a study a long time ago that said most, and I don’t know if it was bullsh*t or what, but it said that an awful lot of people go into psychology originally because they are all screwed up and they think if they study it, they’ll figure it out and get better.”
Bill’s response … “Right… that’s interesting.”
And Doctor Phil continued … “And I saw a follow up that said, ‘Did it work?’ And it said, ‘not even almost.’”
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Thanks for honoring my freedom of speech.
Although as a psychologist ... Jordan doesn't "confess" whether he is Catholic or Protestant ... it should be plain by his preaching from a Christian bible, that he perceives his self as being a missionary.
“I was Jordan Peterson’s strongest supporter. Now I think he’s dangerous. He wanted to establish a church, he said, in which he would preach every Sunday.” Author … Bernard Schiff … professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Toronto.
There isn't any doubt about it that ALL people that preach their personal religious myths as being truth ... consider selves to be MISSIONARIES.
From the book … The Statesman and the Storyteller: John Hay, Mark Twain, and the Rise of American Imperialism … author … Mark Zwonitzer ... “Wherever the missionary goes,” Clemens had written, he not only proclaims that his religion is the best one, but that it is a true one while his hearer’s religion is a false one: that the pagan’s gods are inventions of imagination; that the things & the names which are sacred to him are not worthy of his reverence; that his fathers are all in hell, & the dead darlings of his nursery also, because the word which saves had not been brought to them; that he must now desert his ancient religion & give allegiance to the new one or he will follow his fathers & his lost darlings to the eternal fire-s…. The missionary has no wish to be an insulter, but how is he to help it? All his propositions are insults.
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