Comments by "June VanDerMark" (@junevandermark952) on "Jordan Peterson - My Adversary is the Spirit of Cain" video.

I was only able to free myself from my own religious cultish thoughts ... when I admitted TO myself ... that if I thought that other people's religious ideas were that of cults and lies ... I should be honest with myself ... and admit that my own religious ideas ... were also that of a cult and of lies. As an Atheist ... I might cause harm to other humans ... but ... as have countless people in divisive right-fighting religions ... I will NEVER cause harm to others by using or misusing the name of a god ... or ... the name of a supposed son OF a god. If a god just happens to exist … (which I don’t believe is true) … and you misquote his intentions … which in turn causes harm and death to those that the god happens to love … what do you think that YOUR penalty should be by that judge-mental god? Do you think that he might want your soul to burn in hell for eternity? If people weren’t terrified on the image of that supposed god … religion wouldn’t exist … because complete trust is the opposite of fear. “I act as if God exists, and I’m terrified he might.” ~ Jordan Peterson
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@MG42Cull I prefer Mark Twain’s description of a god … that is ... if a god were to exist ... which I don't believe is true. GOD … a God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave his angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice, and invented hell--mouths mercy, and invented hell--mouths Golden Rules and forgiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people, and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites his poor abused slave to worship him! -No. 44, The Mysterious Stranger Mark Twain
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@MG42Cull If you want to enjoy your own pain as being a holy venture ... that is your choice. But I don't think that you should believe that your behavior is moral when you suggest that other people should think of their pain as being a holy venture. I suggest that you are fully aware that if you had the power to create a universe ... suffering would not exist. If suffering did exist (under your watch) ... you certainly wouldn't have anything of which to be proud ... and you certainly would not deserve to be worshiped as being a divine character. "Given a choice between creating humans who will suffer for eternity and not creating the human race … I would simply not create them." Author … Mike Siler
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@MG42Cull If you made a place where I could live and have everything my heart desires ... being a selfish animal ... I might tell you anything I thought you would want to hear ... but if you were wise ... you would see through my charade. You might find the following to be of interest. An Atheist who (to her credit) although she was raised around those who invested their complete faith in the existence of a god … had never fallen for the stories … said, “If people are too stupid to see the lies … they deserve to stay there.” I informed her that being as a child I HAD bought into the lies … and that then I was too “stupefied” BY the mythical lies to be ABLE to unravel them in an instant … and that I didn’t complete that daunting task until I was 70 years of age … when I was free at last to “become” an Atheist. I informed her that because she couldn’t understand what kept me confused for so long … she could never help people to be free of religion. She then said that she would never “try” to free anyone from religion … to which I replied that because of the confusing damage done to me as a child by well-meaning parents … who had the same done to them as children by well-meaning parents … I will do everything in my power to help “stupefied” others … out of religion.
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@MG42Cull I hope the day will come when people realize that ALL religion was and is ... myth ... as have these ex-members of clergy. From the book ... Apostle to Apostate: The Story of the Clergy Project … authors … Catherine Dunphy, Richard Dawkins “The word that leaps off the page in this quote is Mary Daly’s use of the word “myth.” Reading her book in conjunction with exegetical analysis of the Old and New Testaments cemented the reality that I had ignored: this “holy book” was a fabrication, a cultural narrative that only truly reflected the mores and values of the people who wrote it. As such, it is a wholly inadequate resource for humanity in the twenty-first century. Once that realization sunk in, I acknowledged that I was architect of this thing or idea that I called God. As former clergy who have left churches of every denomination, synagogues, mosques, convents, monasteries, and theological institutions, we stand as examples of the reasonableness of doubt and its thoughtful conclusions. I cannot help but think that we offer a compelling voice for why science and secularism do a better job than religion and superstition of answering the so-called ultimate questions.”
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@MG42Cull If you want to believe that a god loves your soul ... yet will reject the souls of others as being evil ... that is your right. Just don't expect me to fall for that man-created myth ... as I don't believe that the universe was created. I believe the scientific theory that the universe and electricity always existed ... no creator ... no plan ... and that suffering of all forms of life ... is natural.
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@MG42Cull From the book “Twisted Scriptures,” by Mary Alice Chrnalogar, published in 1997. Tricks to Keep You Controlled A Guilt-Edged Sword The key for gaining maximum control over someone’s conscience is to influence the person to study and accept certain beliefs. Then, if the person fails to follow those beliefs, a powerful feeling of guilt will be the result. Leaders get you to believe that they don’t interpret the Bible but just “teach what is in the Bible”—making the Bible synonymous with their interpretations.
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@MG42Cull If theologians couldn't make you feel guilt ... they wouldn't have any control over you. They WANT you to believe that if you refuse to accept what they tell you is true ... you will suffer for eternity in a supposed afterlife. I never gave them that control over me ... even when I believed that the universe WAS created. Now that I believe the universe and electricity always existed ... no creator ... no plan ... and that suffering of all forms of life is natural ... all religion from my perspective was and is ... a sad and misleading JOKE ... the joke being on those of us that ever believed that nonsense that the universe WAS created.
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@MG42Cull Are you not able to see ... that if a god created you ... knowing you were going to fall short of "his" expectations ... that it would be HE that did little to earn YOUR love or respect? He would be the one to fall short of the mark of perfection ... not YOU.
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Jordan projects his fear unto others as being worthy of their faith investment. “I act as if God exists, and I’m terrified he might.” ~ Jordan Peterson And the reason for that IS ... that Jordan is aware that if a god does exist ... it couldn't BE anything BUT a MONSTER. "Given a choice between creating humans who will suffer for eternity and not creating the human race … I would simply not create them." Author … Mike Siler
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