Comments by "June VanDerMark" (@junevandermark952) on "Pastor defends his anti-homosexual sermon" video.

In the early days concerning language, punctuation didn't exist. "Thou shalt not lie: with mankind, as with womankind, it is an abomination." Not only words are tricky, but punctuation is also tricky. Keep in mind that the bible doesn't "say" anything, and that humans have "said" way too much. From the only Weekly Word-origin Webzine, “Take Our Word for It,” comes the following … "There is a widely held belief that the etymology of a word reveals its "real" meaning. This is just not so. The etymology of a word simply reveals its origins, not its "true" meaning. Words simply do not have secret inner meanings. Meanings are fluid and context-dependent; they are not contained in words but in the minds of those who speak the words.”
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This is ugly Christian history … from the book … Homosexuality and Civilization ... author ... Louis Crompton … In 1365 the pendulum swung back toward greater severity. A new law, warning of divine wrath, reinstated burning as a punishment for a first offense. Boys under eighteen were exempted from the death penalty and might escape punishment entirely if they voluntarily denounced their lovers. But not all adolescents were treated leniently. In the same year the law was passed, a fifteen-year-old named Giovanni di Giovanni, accused of relations with "many men" was paraded through the city on an ass, publicly castrated, and then branded with a red-hot iron "in that part of the body where he permitted himself to be known in sodomitical practice."
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@Mrs Theron Davis Did you get the point of my post? "Thou shalt not lie: ... with mankind, as with womenkind, it is abomination."
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@Olufsen Books are not powerful. They are simply paper.
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@Olufsen From the only Weekly Word-origin Webzine, “Take Our Word for It,” comes the following … "There is a widely held belief that the etymology of a word reveals its "real" meaning. This is just not so. The etymology of a word simply reveals its origins, not its "true" meaning. Words simply do not have secret inner meanings. Meanings are fluid and context-dependent; they are not contained in words but in the minds of those who speak the words.”
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@Olufsen Why would trust words written by men that said that god spoke to them? I also was raised in a Christian culture, but I asked the pertinent questions that allowed me to spot the lies. For instance ... Had Jesus lived, he would have supported his father's will to reject most souls to eternal suffering. Do you still think that he would have been a nice guy? And do you still want to dream about being in paradise with "him?" Any man that preaches that he was sent to earth by a god to save all humanity from sin, ought not to be idolized ... ... not worshiped ... not believed. ... but rather empathized with, as being needy of attention, and very childlike concerning his behavior.
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@Olufsen Had Jesus lived, he simply would have been a Jewish Rabbi. He most certainly would have been horrified at his picture hanging in a Catholic or a Protestant church. And had his mother Mary been real, she would have been horrified to have been labeled as a Catholic saint. You'll spot the lies, but only when you are ready and "willing." Been there ... did that.
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@Olufsen So, if a man came to you today and said that he was Jesus ... would you believe that HE was sent by a god? Once fooled ... twice smart. lol Those stories were ALL myths. “We are all hallucinating all the time, including right now. It’s just that when we agree about our hallucinations, we call that reality.” Anil Seth … neuroscientist.
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@Olufsen Do you believe that the universe was created? And if so, do you believe that it was created by a god that favored only the personal dogmas in your personal cult? Do tell.
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@Olufsen It is NOT evident that the universe was created. You just insist on believing that you have a soul that will be saved by the all-mighty God. And that is your right ... but it doesn't mean that you ARE right.
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@Olufsen I agree that my mom and dad had sex, and that is how I came to be created ... but as far as a god existing, and creating the universe ... somebody started that gossip a long time ago, and the gossip spread comparable to wildfire. If you could create a universe ... would suffering exist ... and if it did ... would you demand that your suffering subjects worship YOU as being perfect? You KNOW you wouldn't ... because YOU have a conscience. If a god were to exist ... it wouldn't HAVE a conscience.
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@Olufsen I relate to the words of Mark Twain … "GOD … a God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave his angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice, and invented hell--mouths mercy, and invented hell--mouths Golden Rules and forgiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people, and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites his poor abused slave to worship him!"
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@Olufsen The only reason you WANT to believe that a god exists, is because you WANT to believe that you are SPECIAL and FAVORED by the supposed god. When Christians tried to convince me that a god would only love me if I loved Jesus, I knew instinctively that they wanted me to be in their Jesus' CULT. Good question … From the book … The Arrogance of Faith, by Forrest G. Wood … My faith serves me and yours serves you, the Indian seemed to be saying. Why should anyone want to interfere with that? Besides, if Christianity is for everyone, why was it not from the beginning revealed to everyone?
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@Olufsen Before Christianity, the word "Jesus" did not exist, so how could the message have been revealed to people before Christianity existed. You will spot the lies as did I ... but only when you are ready and "willing."
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@Olufsen If you had been raised a Muslim, you would believe that only Muslims can go to Olam Haba ... which is the Muslim version of Christian heaven. The "stories" were all created by men with overactive imaginations.
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@Olufsen One's first religion as a child, is usually the one that becomes all important to the child, because it's all the child knows of the world. I was fortunate in the fact that my mother was a Protestant Lutheran, and my father was an ex-Catholic, who later joined the Rosicrucian Order, where that cult believed in reincarnation. I learned from the experience that there were many different cults, and came to believe that all religion is indeed cultish by its human selfish traits of "God loves us, but he doesn't love you." “We are all hallucinating all the time, including right now. It’s just that when we agree about our hallucinations, we call that reality.” Anil Seth … neuroscientist.
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@Olufsen Had you been raised a Muslim, you would be swearing on the Quran that your religion was and is, the only true religion, and all others are false. Indoctrination works that way. You will spot your own lies, but only if, and or when, you are ready and willing.
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@Olufsen The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors … Christianity before Christ, by Kersey Graves … first published in 1875. Pagan Miracles And we have the same kind of evidence that the Hindoo Messiah, Chrishna, of India, restored two boys to life who had been killed by the bites of serpents, as that Jesus Christ resurrected Lazarus and the widow’s son of Nain; and as much proof that Bacchus turned water into wine, as that Jesus performed this act six hundred years after.
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@Olufsen Image of Jesus Make of me what you will ... I can be a Catholic still Or I can be faithful to Judaism too You make the rules 'cause you are the fools A Protestant I can be in this minute Camouflage comes and goes with the finite Dreamland is never far away As glimmers of fantasy lead your way Playtime is over but still you play With the image of Jesus both night and day Someday maybe you will learn To stand in line and take your turn In the present you don't want to be Your desire is bliss for eternity June VanDerMark April 4th 2014
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@Olufsen Soul-Spoofology Once the god created souls for the sinners Adam and Lilith, he was hooked, as he then had to keep on manufacturing more and more souls so that in turn he could keep up with the demands of supplying souls for all those sin-filled human bodies. Not counting the souls of the humans that died since the god first created those two souls for Adam and Lilith, there are now over eight billion human bodies on earth … so we can only imagine that the god has been extremely busy with his commitment of manufacturing more and more souls to place in all those sin-filled human bodies. I wonder if the god ever regrets creating those first two souls on planet earth for the first sinners … Adam and Lilith? Since we can’t know, we can only imagine … but it seems to me that if he had been thinking straight, he could have kept the perfect spirits that he created in his own image with him in his perfect abode, and not bothered his self with creating souls and human bodies on earth, where sin could even exist, and where he then would feel compelled for eternity to punish the souls he deemed as being evil. On the lighter side of the subject, maybe he should be excused because it seems he didn’t know that by creating sinners, he was falling short of his own mark of perfection.
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@Olufsen You are a very dishonest person. You know full well that if you were a Muslim, you would not have anything in common with any Christian religion, as you would only place high value on Muhammad and Allah ... the god that favors ONLY Muslims. Go tell your lies to someone else, as I'm not interested in them.
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@Olufsen Go lie to others.
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@Olufsen If you were a Muslim, you would be preaching at me from the Quran ... not the Christian bible.
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Ever since I was young, I knew that I was attracted only to the opposite gender. The idea of my having a personal sexual relationship with a female, was totally repulsive to me. It was then that I realized that homosexuals were different than heterosexuals, and I accepted the differences as being "normal." I never did believe all that biblical jargon about a god wanting homosexuals to be put to death. Childish ... vicious stories ... created by men, in the guise of serving a "holy" god. For shame!!!
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@Copyright WOW! So you choose to believe that a god exists that wants you to put homosexuals to death ... HUH? That means that YOU are certain that YOU KNOW what this supposed god is thinking, and he is thinking the exact same thoughts as YOU are thinking. How CON-venient is that on your part? From the book “God’s Bullies,” by Perry Deanne Young. ... That the religious were so concerned about other people’s drinking habits and sex lives said much more about them and their own minds than it did about those they regarded as sinners. In the name of Jesus and God, they had perpetrated all kinds of little cruelties on others and had meanwhile fooled themselves into thinking they could do no wrong because they were always carrying out God’s will.
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@Copyright Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?" Priest: "No, not if you did not know." Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?" -- Annie Dillard, 'Pilgrim at Tinker Creek'
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@Copyright My guess is, the first men that created imaginary gods, were filled with anger, and mistrust concerning each other's behaviors, and were very suspicious and judge-mental of each other. So, it followed that the gods they imagined into existence, WOULD be angry gods that were very judgmental and wouldn't trust the very humans that they created. From my perspective, religion was and is ... all myth.
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@Copyright Human ego is a formidable beast. This man was also certain that HIS thoughts and “GOD’S” thoughts were aligned. From the book … 40 YEARS OF COUNTRY: LIFE OF A RURAL DOCTOR IN NORTHERN SASKATCHEWAN … author … Dr Mervin L Johnson During this time, Blanche and I found out from the Alliance Church Board that they did not want Blanche to teach in church any longer. She was an excellent teacher and really was being led by God, but they were afraid of what they’re hearing. I wrote in my diary, why is the Board destroying the work in this church? God do something I pleaded. Not for our sake but for Yours.
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@__Jesus_is_God__ I never did believe that those books labeled as being holy information from "gods" were anything other than man-created lies. The word "sin" was coined by theologians, that in turn taught that humans are all born in sin, and in need of spiritual cleansing, and that the theologians were the only ones capable of handling that prestigious God-given job. If we were to believe that we were born whole, and that it is up to us how we treat others, theology would be perceived as a mental delusion of the archaic, outdated past. I'm thankful that when I was under the spell of religion, I treated homosexuals as being different than me, but as being of the same worth, and worthy of the same respect I wanted for my heterosexual self. I knew I was born "different," when I was only attracted all my life to the opposite gender.
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@__Jesus_is_God__ The Christian bible is a book of anti-Semitism. Jews already believed that they were Jehovah's chosen few. Had Jesus actually lived, he would have been a Jewish Rabbi ... teacher of Judaism. Christian doctrines would have been the furthest thought from Jesus' mind. All Christians have been hoodwinked ... as have all humans stuck in religions that preach "spirituality."
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@__Jesus_is_God__ If Jesus had lived, he would have been a Jewish Rabbi, and Jewish Rabbis do not preach Catholic, or Protestant doctrines. Had Jesus lived, he would have warned the wandering Catholics and Protestants to come back to Judaism, or ... they would not be any of Jehovah's chosen few. One cult is the same as the next cult ... all preaching lies ... in the guise of truth.
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@__Jesus_is_God__ When I still believed in the existence of a god, I was informed by other believers that I was the one in a cult. I finally agreed that they were right, and added that we were all in cults. They didn't want to go THAT far, by admitting that we had ALL been hoodwinked, because they wanted to believe that THEY were the OWNERS of TRUTH. Fools to self's own folly.
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@__Jesus_is_God__ Had you been raised a Buddhist, you would now be believing and therefore trying to convince me that reincarnation is a teaching that is based on truth. Systems of religious "belief," are not trustworthy.
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@__Jesus_is_God__ I wouldn't want to believe that I had a personal experience with a god, because if a god existed, it would be a monster. You and I both know that if we had the power to create a universe, suffering would not exist ... period ... because you and I both know the meaning of the word "conscience." If a god existed, because suffering of all forms of life experience horrible suffering, it follows that the god could NOT have a conscience. We were taught to fear "God." I don't have any fear of a god, because I don't believe that such a monster exists.
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@__Jesus_is_God__ Had Jesus actually existed, he would not have been a nice man. According to Christians, he was a traitor to Judaism, and he came to earth to warn the Jews that if they didn't convert to Christianity, their souls could not be saved. Adding to that mischief, Jesus would also have supported his father's will to reject most souls to eternal suffering in the afterlife. I was raised in a Christian culture, but I could never relate to the idea that Jesus was a model of morality. It's no wonder that the Jews did not believe that Jesus was "their" messiah. As a child, I couldn't even believe that he WAS a messiah.
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@__Jesus_is_God__ Both Catholics and Protestants have insisted that without their brand of Christian doctrine, Judaism could not have been "completed." What a ridiculous story. Within that theology, it would mean that Jesus (as a baby Jew, born to Jewish parents,) that Jesus could not have been born "completed" ... until he grew up and learned and then taught ... Christian doctrine. What happened to the Christian story about Jesus being born PERFECT? You'll spot the lies ... but only if and when you are ready ... and ... willing.
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@__Jesus_is_God__ I "did" study the bible, and that is what resulted in me believing that it was a whole lot of stories made up by angry men. Rather than the men admitting that they were angry at others, they made up stories that the "gods" were angry at others. LOL
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