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Comments by "June VanDerMark" (@junevandermark952) on "Women across US protest controversial Texas abortion law" video.

From the book … My Own Words … author … RUTH BADER GINSBURG. Whether you are a Christian, or an Atheist … you better think hard and long, as you close one clinic after another … in the pretence that it protects “babies.” The lives of women are at stake here, and they are the lives of your mothers, daughters, aunts, friends … and even grandmothers. Then she made a point, nowhere addressed in the Breyer opinion, but embedded in the memories of women old enough to remember the days when abortion was illegal: “When a State severely limits access to safe and legal procedures, women in desperate circumstances may resort to unlicensed rogue practitioners, faute de mieux,I at great risk to their health and safety.” (Later speaking with a reporter, she was blunt about the law’s purpose: “It seemed to me it was a sham to pretend this was about a woman’s health” rather than about making it harder to obtain an abortion.)
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@triarb5790 Most anti-abortionists are Christian, and they believe that Jesus is offended by abortion. Even so, many women of the Christian faith, sneak off to have abortions, and then sit in their churches in the pretense that they are against women having abortions. When Doctor Morgentaler opened his first illegal abortion clinic in Montreal, Canada, eighty percent of the women coming for abortions were Catholic. They were desperate to stop having babies, but also did not want to be shunned by their Catholic peers, so they felt forced to do it on the sly. Some women of the Catholic faith referred to abortion as "Making angels." In other words sending God's supposed gift back to him in the form of "innocence."
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ttt A fetus-worshiper is one that glorifies the image of purity of the fetus, but knows that a living baby is damned hard work, worry and frustration. So while the fetus is in the womb, the fetus-worshiper worships the ground that the fetus does not yet walk upon. But when the fetus is born, and becomes a full-fledged baby, the fetus-worshiper is nowhere to be found, because he/she is off worshiping more fetuses that do not affect the earthly comforts of the fetus-worshipper. And meanwhile, the fetus-worshiper credits him/herself from the egotistical attitude that the on-going job is WELL DONE!
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@bobcopeland9692 They keep it a secret, because bullies such as you would harass them. And you still didn't answer my question.
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@bonnie43uk Thank you. The evangelical Christians are a powerful bunch, and because they think they are making Jesus happy with their anti-abortion sermons and behavior, they lobby the government to try to make all abortion illegal, while those who support women's rights to choice do not lobby the government. They simply demonstrate "after" the laws are changed that in turn do away with the abortion clinics. That is the problem.
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@bobcopeland9692 It's not a baby until it breathes on its own. And you will never BE pregnant, so your moral judgment is hollow! Are you a Christian, who believes that Jesus is offended by abortion?
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@bobcopeland9692 Many women don't tell others that they have abortions. They certainly do not tell their husbands. So don't that you are immune to such secrets.
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ttt Well, that is a double standard. If a woman is raped, that should not mean that the "baby" should be aborted. After all, the "baby" can't help it, if the woman was raped. Did you check with Jesus, on this MATTER? Insult intended.
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@bobcopeland9692 Would you still love your wife or your daughter if you knew they had abortions?
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@bobcopeland9692 That was not my question to you. If you knew your wife or your daughter had an abortion, would you still love them?
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@gggamesplays460 If your wife or daughter didn't have any remorse for having their abortions, would you still love them unconditionally, without putting your moral judgment on them, as you do on other women?
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@gggamesplays460 By your use of words. there isn't any doubt that you think you are morally superior to women who have abortions.
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@gggamesplays460 And here is an eye opener for you ... ABORTION IS NOT A SIN ... author ... Kent B. Welton "Sister Marianna is 35 years old. As a teenager, she pledged her life to Christ and entered a nunnery. She became an English teacher, and was working in the 1960's in the Belgium Congo at the time of the uprisings and revolutions. As a part of these uprisings, Sister Marianna and other nuns were raped repeatedly by the natives. She finally escaped to Belgium, where it was found that as a result of these rapes, she was pregnant. The Church quietly condoned the interruption of this and other pregnancies created under these circumstances. This is the same church subsidizing the opposition to compassionate laws concerning abortion for women who are not nuns."
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@bobcopeland9692 Your information about Planned Parenthood is false information created by fear-mongering antiabortionists.
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@tpower1912 A fetus does not breathe on its own, and therefore can't "be" murdered. That is why women who have abortions are not incarcerated. And YES, I know that if anyone murders a pregnant woman, that person will be charged with a double homicide. That is because the woman is the only one that has the right to decide what she does with her own pregnancy.
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@tpower1912 Saving the lives of young girls and women must be the all-important reason that abortion clinics exist. No more clandestine, back-street type of butchery. If you are not pro-choice for women, you are pro-death for women.
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@tpower1912 I'm pro-life for all women, because I believe that women who choose to have abortions should have the same quality of care as women that choose to stay pregnant. What they do with what is in their bodies, is their business ... not mine. And by the way, I am 82 years of age, and never had an abortion. I gave birth to 4 babies. It was my choice.
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@kishanrao936 A fetus does not breathe on its own, so it does not have any constitutional rights. Babies breathe on their own, and they do have constitutional rights.
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@bobcopeland9692 Which choice would you make ... that the woman receives quality care to in turn survive the abortion ... or that the woman is forced to stay pregnant?
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ttt You are welcome.
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@gggamesplays460 I am 82 years of age, never had an abortion, but I studied for years to find out the many reasons that women do have abortions. I don't feel at all superior to them "morally," because I realize that had I been in their lives, my decisions would have been their decisions.
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@gggamesplays460 If you would study the history of abortion, you would not be so judge-mental against the women who had abortions.
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@bobcopeland9692 Do you consider your self to be "spiritual," which is new age jargon?
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@gggamesplays460 So, you believe that you are knowledge-able, but you don't read?
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@gggamesplays460 It states "This link doesn't have any content."
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I've noticed that everyone that is against abortion have also already been born. So what?
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Many of the same people that are against abortion, are pro-death penalty. Go figure!
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@tpower1912 If babies are born in sin, which is what religion teaches, then fetuses are full of sin, even before they become babies and start breathing on their own. And it's a fact that many people accused and charged with murder, were innocent of that crime, as DNA has been able to prove. So, If you favor the death penalty, you might be guilty of putting the wrong people to death. Would that be a sin ... in your "book?"
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@tpower1912 There is nothing divine about morality; it is a purely human affair. Author … Albert Einstein.
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@tpower1912 The religious word "sin" hurts many humans. If we replaced the religious word "sin," with the non-religious word "behavior," it would keep us grounded, because those of us that were indoctrinated by religion, would no longer believe that a god exists that was spying and judging our every move and thought. I suggest that we should be taught as children that we are whole, just as we are, and that, concerning how we treat others, the onus is on us.
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@tpower1912 So ... you think that you are sin-free and that only other people are horrible sinners??? Surely you jest!
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@tpower1912 You are still giving out warnings to me, that if I don't believe as you believe, I will be in deep trouble with the supposed god in which you believe. And you want women that have abortions to believe that they also will be punished by that supposed god, while you, as an antiabortionist will reap eternal bliss. Pure nonsense!
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@trildi Example: If a god existed that had asked me if I wanted to be created so that I could suffer, I would have said, "Absolutely NOT! I would rather stay where suffering does not exist, wherever that might be!!!"
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@kishanrao936 The fetus does not have constitutional rights, because it does not breathe on its own.
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@hexl702too5 The word "sin," suggests that a god is offended by human behavior. I suggest that it is only humans that are offended by each other's behavior, and that a god never existed to be offended about anything.
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@hexl702too5 Religion was created in the minds of men with ugly dispositions, so that it could continue to raise its ugly head. The word "sin," suggests that a god is offended by human behavior. I suggest that it is only humans that are offended by each other's behavior, and that a god never existed to be offended about anything.
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@triarb5790 This is what happened in Canada when abortion was illegal. Abortion was completely banned in Canada in 1869. The movement to liberalize Canada's abortion laws began in the 1960s. Former Chief Coroner of Ontario Morton Shulman recalls that in the sixties, abortion could be legally performed only to save the life of the mother, so there were practically no legal abortions. He stated that the pregnant daughters of the rich were sent to a reliable physicians who did abortions for cash. He estimated that these physicians did twenty to thirty abortions per week. Woman who were not rich were left to perform an abortion on themselves or go to what he called a "nurse" abortionist. Their method was commonly pumping Lysol™ into the woman's womb. The mortality rate was high and the infection rate over 50%. He added, "By the time I became Chief Coroner I had had the unpleasant experience of seeing the bodies of some dozens of young women who had died as a result of these amateur abortions."
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@gggamesplays460 Do you believe that the universe was created?
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@gggamesplays460 Don't ya just "love" this bit of perceived wisdom? From the book … The Church and Mental Health, Published 1953. Phillips Brooks saw the difference between morality based upon anxiety and that based upon faith. “Why is it,” a friend once asked Brooks, “that some of these men who call themselves atheists, seem to lead such moral lives?” “They have to,” replied Brooks. “They have no God to forgive them if they don’t.”
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@gggamesplays460 If you had a choice of saving the woman, or the fetus, which would you choose?
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@triarb5790 The evangelicals continually lobby the government to in turn try to once again make abortion illegal. I don't know about you, but I relate to the following article. The Abortion Monologues ... author ... Jane Cawthorne Monologue 8 There are these ads on the buses. They say they help women like me, women who are pregnant and don't know what to do next. I didn't want to go see my doctor about it. I don't like her much and I didn't want her to know. So I called them and I told them I wanted an abortion and they said I should come into the office and see a counsellor. This counsellor, she kept talking to me about my "other options." I thought, well okay, they're counsellors, doing what counsellor's do, trying to make sure I've thought it through. I go along with it all, try to be polite. And then I say again that I want to have an abortion and could they help me set that up. They tell me to come back in a month. I say that I don't want to wait a month. I want to do it now., and are they going to help me or not? They say okay then, they're going to show me this movie, to help me know what to expect. I'm thinking, I don’t really want to see a movie, that if I was having my appendix out I wouldn't want to see a movie of it before the fact. I'm starting to think I've got to get out of there, but then the thought of starting the whole thing over or going to my doctor I don't like or the walk in clinic doesn't thrill me either. So, against my better judgment, I stayed. I'm in this dark room with the TV and this counsellor and they show me this film of all these ripped up fetuses and these women talking about how they're so sorry they had an abortion. It's disgusting. I ran out of there so fast. It should be illegal, what they do. They said they were non-judgmental and confidential in the ad. (laughs.) They phoned me at my house. (Getting increasingly agitated.) What if I lived with other people? They left me messages about keeping the baby, about how families would love to adopt my baby. It was insane. I phoned them back and threatened them with a lawyer, like I even have one, told them to stop harassing me. They said lots of single women have babies now and in time, I would find a husband. Find a husband? Welcome to 19-fucking-50. And don't try and tell me I should have given it up for adoption. It's not my job to give a baby to some couple who can't have one of their own. Fine, if that's what I want to do, but I don't. And I won't be guilted into it. It's nine months of my life too. Good for those who want to. But don't tell me I have to. Besides, I'd always wonder about it. I can't live like that. I was never someone who felt strongly about abortion before. Now I practically barf when I pass those stupid religious billboards and hear people talk their pro-life bullshit. Television preachers, morons in letters to the editor, men mouthing off about murder, I've got news for you. You haven't got a fucking clue. You'll stand with your stupid posters and block my way to the clinic, call me a murderer, but what actual good are you doing for all the little babies out there already that nobody wants? Talk to me about the sanctity of human life. There are seven billion of us on the planet. Seven billion. They figure nine billion by the time I'm fifty. Let's look after the ones already here, make sure all those kids are fed, have a roof over their heads, an education, a future instead of protecting a bunch of cells. With their logic, we should be saving every drop of sperm. We should be collecting our menstrual blood and fining the discarded egg and burying it with a solemn service. It makes no sense. We've got real problems to deal with, climate change, a planet in crisis. We are so full of our self-importance. But we're like locusts, destroying our host, shitting where we eat. One less of us can only be a good thing.
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@alexanderangelo7284 If babies are full of sin when they are born, then fetuses are also full of sin. If you are going to focus on the "sin" factor, the fetus is as full of sin, as is the convicted murderer. Religious confusion drove more than a few people into insane asylums, and to suicide, because one can't make sense out of utter nonsense. And by the way, women of the Catholic faith that had abortions, referred to the act of abortion as "making angels." In other words, "You can take your "gift" back god, and enjoy it, as I am too busy with the many kids I already have, and can't feed properly, to take on another one, or more."
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@alexanderangelo7284 And the "Innocent Project" proved and keeps proving that many people convicted of murder, were later proved by DNA to be innocent of the crimes. Imagine that, for injustice. Here's one for you ... a true story ... Years ago, I read how a man named Lloyd Prevost spent ten years in prison for a murder that he did not commit. The story goes that a Catholic priest who was on his death bed confessed to another priest that he knew the identity of the real murderer but had kept the secret because of the seal of confession. The priest to whom the dying priest confessed tuned in to his own conscience, and went to the law and the innocent man, Lloyd Prevost was at last set free. The fact that the priest confessed the issue to another priest on his own death bed was an indication that harboring that lie “had” weighed very heavy on his conscience. There is something blatantly wrong with a religious system that protects a guilty man, while an innocent man spends ten years incarcerated for a crime he did not commit.
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@tpower1912 I'm sure you won't relate, but having been raised in a Christian culture, and then after years of confusion, finally leaving all indoctrinations pertaining to souls and spirits and afterlives behind as baffle gas, I do relate to the following words. "Christianity is very much to blame for this; the notion that salvation is free and may be attained by the idlest, the dullest, the stupidest is understandably very popular with persons who may be so described." Robertson Davies, man of letters, letter, 18, November 1984, For Your Eye Alone: Letters, 1976-1995 (1999).
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@alexanderangelo7284 Sorry. I misunderstood.
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When you judge a woman who has an abortion as being a sinner, are you sinning? "Judge not, lest ye be judged," is another scripture, that in turn, most devotees choose to ignore.
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Is your harsh judgment of women who have abortions, "wrong in every way?" After all, your supposed good book states ... "Judge not, lest ye be judged." Are you going to con-veniently ignore that scribble in your buy-bull?
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The word "sin" implies that a it's a god that believes abortion is a sin, when actually, it's you. By using your bible as a weapon against women who have abortions, you avoided another scripture in your bible that states, "Judge not, lest ye be judged." Maybe for judging women who have abortions as being sinners, YOU became the sinner, that according to your own bible, states "JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED." In other words, if you want to point fingers ... point them at your self!
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@hexl702too5 I'm 82 years of age, never had an abortion, but I studied ... not the bible. I studied the many different reasons women have abortions, and I empathized with the women. When people are in religion, and believe that a god exists that is offended by abortion, those people are bound to see the subject in black and white terms. They believe they are following a god's will, and nothing can move them to see the situation any other way. That is common practice with the evangelicals in the United States.
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@hexl702too5 Religion is full of such double-talk. For example ... Christian theologians teach that Jesus was born perfect to a family of Jews that practiced only Judaism. So, within theology, if that statement is true, it's only common sense that the Christian religion should not even exist. And on the other hand, if Jesus was not born perfect, then he shouldn't have been on earth as a teacher of perfect morals. Those stories were all based on bunkology.
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@hexl702too5 A Christian informed me that we are all wretched sinners, and that Christians are blessed because of being saved from punishment by Jesus. I replied that if he really believed he was a wretched sinner, he shouldn't be using an intermediator on whom to dump his sins, but rather he should just accept that he is one of us, and be willing to take the eternal punishment from the creator that he is certain is just treatment concerning other evil sinners. He didn't respond.
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@hexl702too5 I understand that, and I am also using the word "sin" in another context, to make my point.
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@hexl702too5 If we had been taught that humans don't have souls, that would the end of religion. Without the word "soul," there couldn't be any religion. All stories are based on what the soul is thinking, and what the soul is doing, and where the soul came from, and where the soul is going after death of the physical body. Fortunes have been made by theologians who taught that the soul is a gift from God, and that women must never have abortions, because abortions offend God's gift to humanity. Evolution of the soul is a huge seller in religion. It means that your soul is ever upgrading and will hopefully soon make the grade of God's "entire" approval of enlightenment and salvation … or … that in the afterlife something horrible could happen to your soul. If you remove the word "soul" from religion, you will not have anything but ground zero.
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@hexl702too5 I have never heard of an Atheist smashing and burning down abortion clinics, or murdering a doctor that performed abortions. Have you? James Kopp, the fanatic Catholic that killed Doctor Barnett Slepian, went to prison because of his belief that a god existed that was offended by women having abortions. Had James not been taught that he was serving a holy god, he might have been spared that life sentence in prison. Religious fanaticism causes one tragedy after another.
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@hexl702too5 Yes, we have a pro-choice President, which means that he goes against the pope and the Catholic teaching that abortion is offensive to the supposed god. Yet the pope honored him with communion. Neither one of them are being faithful to their own religious teachings, which should tell us that even they no longer believe what they were taught is literal truth from a god. Donald Trump was pro-choice before he ran for office of President, and needed all those evangelical votes, and then he had the nerve to say that women that have abortions should be punished. At least Joe Biden didn't pretend to be anti-abortion to win votes. And for that, I respect him. .
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