Comments by "June VanDerMark" (@junevandermark952) on "VICE News"
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Many years ago, a man and his wife of the Jehovah's Witness denomination came to my door to proselytize their beliefs. I invited them in, treated them with dignity, and we discussed our own ways of believing. I was still under my own spell of religion at that time.
When the subject turned to the issue of abortion, the woman made it plain that she looked down on women for what she perceived was their heartless acts of aborting “babies.”
When I asked her if there was a woman in her presence that suffered from a botched abortion if she would help her, she answered in a haughty manner, "I don't know!!! She chose to do that, so, I just don't know!"
I then asked the question, "From your perception, what do you believe Jesus would do in that circumstance?"
She stared at me, speechless. Her husband, whose head was hung as he stared at the floor finally broke the silence. With a voice that was barely audible, he said, "I believe Jesus would help the woman."
It might not be a good idea to be too hasty about what your supposed savior “believes.”
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@nbaclashofclanspro9198 What doesn't breathe on its own, is dependent on a host, and if the host doesn't want it, the host has every right to abort it.
Women and girls do not abort a fetus of nine months gestation. Most are aborted very early in the pregnancy.
And, by the way, if your sister, or your mother, or your grandmother became pregnant, and wanted a late-term abortion, would you rather she go to a back-street unqualified person, or, to a medical physician, that was trained to perform abortions?
Please answer that question .... if you DARE.
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@nbaclashofclanspro9198 Many women who claim to be against having abortions, sneak off and have abortions, and then sit in their churches, mosques, and synagogue, as though they are innocent.
When doctor Morgentaler started his illegal clinic in Montreal, Canada, 80 percent of the women that came to him for abortions were Catholic.
Do you think that their peers in the parishes were aware that they had those abortions?
Of course they would pretend, because it they didn't, people of your mentality would keep on bullying them, and referring to them as being murderers.
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@willpayne3475 There is a reason that the medical words, zygote, embryo, fetus, and baby are all different.
If women want to be pregnant, they will all use the word "baby" as reference to their joy of being pregnant. Been there ... did that ... four times.
For whatever reasons, f they don't want to be pregnant, women in despair, will even use the word "parasite," to explain the pregnancies.
You can judge their "morality" if it pleases you, and makes you feel all powerful, and maybe HOLY ... but they are still going to rid their bodies of the embyos, and fetuses, and anyone with a sense of common decency, would want those women to survive the abortions.
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@willpayne3475 The subject is abortion.
I hope you read the following.
Many years ago, a man and his wife of the Jehovah's Witness denomination came to my door to proselytize their beliefs. I invited them in, treated them with dignity, and we discussed our own ways of believing. I was still under my own spell of religion at that time.
When the subject turned to the issue of abortion, the woman made it plain that she looked down on women for what she perceived was their heartless acts of aborting “babies.”
When I asked her if there was a woman in her presence that suffered from a botched abortion if she would help her, she answered in a haughty manner, "I don't know!!! She chose to do that, so, I just don't know!"
I then asked the question, "From your perception, what do you believe Jesus would do in that circumstance?"
She stared at me, speechless. Her husband, whose head was hung as he stared at the floor finally broke the silence. With a voice that was barely audible, he said, "I believe Jesus would help the woman."
It might not be a good idea to be too hasty about what your supposed savior “believes.”
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@patrickbertlein4626 Pertaining to politics, rather than Extreme Left, or Extreme Right ... the word Centrist implies middle of the road ... moderate ... as in "not going to extremes either way."
In a country where people vote, the object is, the voters are either for or against certain issues, and for that reason, will vote for either one party, or the other.
For instance ... those who believe that abortion offends the will of a god, will be voting for the party that promises to make abortion illegal. While those who want to give women the power to make their own decisions, will vote for the party that promises to keep abortion legal. When it pertains to the subject of abortion, there isn't any middle of the road.
Gun control, or the lack thereof is another touchy subject, where voters either vote for one side, or the other side on that issue.
I suggest that politicians in the Centrist party, by trying to follow the middle of the road, will ultimately leave the middle of the road; veer off either to the extreme left, or to the extreme right ... which has occurred to every group of politicians that tried to improve the old system for something new, and hopefully more agreeable to everyone.
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If women want to be pregnant, they will all use the word "baby" as reference to their joy of being pregnant. Been there ... did that.
For whatever reasons, if they are desperate to not be pregnant, some women will even refer to what is in them as being parasites.
You can judge what you are certain is their “sin-filled lack of morality" if it pleases you, and makes you feel all powerful, and maybe even holier than thou, but they are still going to rid their bodies of the pregnancies, and anyone with a sense of common decency, would want those women to survive the abortions, and be able to go home to those who love them.
From my perception, we must keep abortion clinics with qualified doctors open … legal and available.
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@44517A Would you want to introduce your best friend as being a person who (for a living) puts other people to death?
From the book … Lord High Executioner: An Unashamed Look at Hangmen, Headsmen, and Their Kind … author … Howard Engel
If the revenge that the pro-execution group advocates is pure and proper under the law, why are executioners, in spite of this new openness about the desired ends and purposes that executions serve, still the social pariahs they were six hundred years ago. Why is it that they still hide their names? There must remain deep in the consciousness of the most rabid of the execution fanciers a shred of doubt about what they are advocating, otherwise executioners would be invited out more often, appear on more board of directors, and be invited to join in groups like Rotary, the Lions, the Elks, and the Chamber of Commerce.
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@Islamicones1
Although this United States Supreme Court judge is now deceased, words from her book live on.
From the book … My Own Words … author … RUTH BADER GINSBURG. Whether you are a Christian, or an Atheist … you better think hard and long, as you close one clinic after another … in the pretense that it protects “babies.” The lives of women are at stake here, and they are the lives of your mothers, daughters, aunts, friends … and even grandmothers.
Then she made a point, nowhere addressed in the Breyer opinion, but embedded in the memories of women old enough to remember the days when abortion was illegal: “When a State severely limits access to safe and legal procedures, women in desperate circumstances may resort to unlicensed rogue practitioners, faute de mieux, at great risk to their health and safety.”
(Later speaking with a reporter, she was blunt about the law’s purpose: “It seemed to me it was a sham to pretend this was about a woman’s health” rather than about making it harder to obtain an abortion.)
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Would you rather be alive in this era ... with no death penalty ... or back in the day when Protestant Christian politicians (in Canada) enforced the death penalty for over two hundred (so called) reasons?
From the book … Drop Dead: A Horrible History of Hanging in Canada, author … Lorna Poplak.
Capital punishment, the execution of someone found guilty of a crime, dates back to arrival of the European explorers on our shores.
In those days, if you were condemned to death, quite a wide range of methods could be used to punish you. You could be hanged, or face a firing squad, or be burned at the stake.
Although Canada remained a collection of separate British colonies until Confederation in 1876, a Royal Proclamation in 1763 replaced the prevailing Canadian legal system with the laws of England.
By the end of the 1700s in Britain, however, the litany of crimes regarded as sufficiently horrible to warrant the death penalty had swelled to 220, including nefarious acts as keeping company with gypsies or skulking in the dark with a blackened face.
In 1828, Patrick Burgan of Saint John, New Brunswick, aged eighteen or nineteen, received the death penalty for the double offence of stealing a watch and some money from his former employer and clothing from a sailors’ boarding house.
Given the power and pre-eminence of religion in Canada at that time, your very life would have been in jeopardy if you were caught scrawling slogans on the side of a church.
You could also be hanged for stealing your neighbor’s cow, which was the fate of B. Clement of Montreal. And just in case you thought that the law protected the young as it does today, think again. Children were regarded as miniature adults and treated as such — Clement was only thirteen years old when executed.
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I don't know about you, but I relate to the following ...The Abortion Monologues ... author ... Jane Cawthorne
Monologue 8
There are these ads on the buses. They say they help women like me, women who are pregnant and don't know what to do next. I didn't want to go see my doctor about it. I don't like her much and I didn't want her to know. So I called them and I told them I wanted an abortion and they said I should come into the office and see a counsellor.
This counsellor, she kept talking to me about my "other options." I thought, well okay, they're counsellors, doing what counsellor's do, trying to make sure I've thought it through. I go along with it all, try to be polite. And then I say again that I want to have an abortion and could they help me set that up. They tell me to come back in a month. I say that I don't want to wait a month. I want to do it now., and are they going to help me or not? They say okay then, they're going to show me this movie, to help me know what to expect. I'm thinking, I don’t really want to see a movie, that if I was having my appendix out I wouldn't want to see a movie of it before the fact. I'm starting to think I've got to get out of there, but then the thought of starting the whole thing over or going to my doctor I don't like or the walk in clinic doesn't thrill me either. So, against my better judgment, I stayed. I'm in this dark room with the TV and this counsellor and they show me this film of all these ripped up fetuses and these women talking about how they're so sorry they had an abortion. It's disgusting. I ran out of there so fast.
It should be illegal, what they do.
They said they were non-judgmental and confidential in the ad. (laughs.) They phoned me at my house. (Getting increasingly agitated.) What if I lived with other people? They left me messages about keeping the baby, about how families would love to adopt my baby. It was insane. I phoned them back and threatened them with a lawyer, like I even have one, told them to stop harassing me.
They said lots of single women have babies now and in time, I would find a husband. Find a husband? Welcome to 19-fucking-50.
And don't try and tell me I should have given it up for adoption. It's not my job to give a baby to some couple who can't have one of their own. Fine, if that's what I want to do, but I don't. And I won't be guilted into it. It's nine months of my life too. Good for those who want to. But don't tell me I have to.
Besides, I'd always wonder about it. I can't live like that.
I was never someone who felt strongly about abortion before. Now I practically barf when I pass those stupid religious billboards and hear people talk their pro-life bullshit. Television preachers, morons in letters to the editor, men mouthing off about murder, I've got news for you. You haven't got a fucking clue. You'll stand with your stupid posters and block my way to the clinic, call me a murderer, but what actual good are you doing for all the little babies out there already that nobody wants? Talk to me about the sanctity of human life. There are seven billion of us on the planet. Seven billion. They figure nine billion by the time I'm fifty. Let's look after the ones already here, make sure all those kids are fed, have a roof over their heads, an education, a future instead of protecting a bunch of cells. With their logic, we should be saving every drop of sperm. We should be collecting our menstrual blood and fining the discarded egg and burying it with a solemn service. It makes no sense.
We've got real problems to deal with, climate change, a planet in crisis. We are so full of our self-importance. But we're like locusts, destroying our host, shitting where we eat. One less of us can only be a good thing.
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The population explosion in all countries creates mess, as in, more people, much more mess. However, much of the mess in the United States, is caused because of people being allowed to live, that in other countries would be put to immediate death. That is what makes the United States so appealing to those from other countries, who want to become citizens.
I suggest you don't knock it, but rather appreciate it, as those from other countries would appreciate it, if only they could attain citizenship.
I'm from Canada, and I appreciate every freedom I have, for instance, my freedom of speech to, in turn post these opinions. And by the way, I visited the beautiful States of Oregon, and Montana, and thought about the people who were lucky enough to live in United States, as I am just so lucky to live in Canada.
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Although this United States Supreme Court judge is now deceased, words from her book live on.
From the book … My Own Words … author … RUTH BADER GINSBURG. Whether you are a Christian, or an Atheist … you better think hard and long, as you close one clinic after another … in the pretense that it protects “babies.” The lives of women are at stake here, and they are the lives of your mothers, daughters, aunts, friends … and even grandmothers.
Then she made a point, nowhere addressed in the Breyer opinion, but embedded in the memories of women old enough to remember the days when abortion was illegal: “When a State severely limits access to safe and legal procedures, women in desperate circumstances may resort to unlicensed rogue practitioners, faute de mieux, at great risk to their health and safety.”
(Later speaking with a reporter, she was blunt about the law’s purpose: “It seemed to me it was a sham to pretend this was about a woman’s health” rather than about making it harder to obtain an abortion.)
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@mrsslav5593 Pertaining to politics, rather than left, or right ... the word Centrist implies middle of the road ... moderate ... as in "not going siding with left … or … right."
In a country where people vote, the object is, the voters are either for or against certain issues, and for that reason, will vote for either one party, or the other.
For instance ... those who believe that abortion offends the will of a god, will be voting for the party that promises to make abortion illegal. While those who want to give women the power to make their own decisions, will vote for the party that promises to keep abortion legal. When it pertains to the subject of abortion, there isn't any middle of the road.
Gun control, or the lack thereof is another touchy subject, where voters either vote for one side, or the other side on that issue.
I suggest that politicians in the Centrist party, by trying to follow the middle of the road, will ultimately leave the middle of the road; veer off either to the left, or to the right ... which occurred to every group of politicians that tried to improve the old systems for something new.
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