Comments by "June VanDerMark" (@junevandermark952) on "How the Anti-Abortion Rights Movement Took Down Roe" video.

Many years ago, a man and his wife of the Jehovah's Witness denomination came to my door to proselytize their beliefs. I invited them in, treated them with dignity, and we discussed our own ways of believing. I was still under my own spell of religion at that time. When the subject turned to the issue of abortion, the woman made it plain that she looked down on women for what she perceived was their heartless acts of aborting “babies.” When I asked her if there was a woman in her presence that suffered from a botched abortion if she would help her, she answered in a haughty manner, "I don't know!!! She chose to do that, so, I just don't know!" I then asked the question, "From your perception, what do you believe Jesus would do in that circumstance?" She stared at me, speechless. Her husband, whose head was hung as he stared at the floor finally broke the silence. With a voice that was barely audible, he said, "I believe Jesus would help the woman." It might not be a good idea to be too hasty about what your supposed savior “believes.”
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@djl5634 Had Jesus lived, he would have been anything "but" a nice guy. . According to Christians, Jesus supported and still supports his father's will of rejecting those he perceived and perceives as wicked souls to eternal suffering. No forgiveness at all. And according to both Catholics and Protestants that killed each other as heretics ... Jesus supported both sides of the wars. According to Christians, Jesus is as judge-mental as are the Christians that USE his name, being that only Christians are to be allowed in heaven. So, it's ridiculous to preach that Jesus cares what is in the wombs of women.
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@djl5634 Any man that preaches that he was sent to earth by a god to save all humanity from sin, ought not to be idolized ... ... not worshiped ... not believed. ... but rather empathized with, as being needy of attention, and very childlike concerning his behavior. From the book … The Arrogance of Faith, by Forrest G. Wood ... "Besides, if Christianity is for everyone, why was it not from the beginning revealed to everyone?"
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@djl5634 If a god existed, and it had asked me if I wanted to be in a material body on earth so that i could suffer, I would have said, "Are you insane? I want to stay where everything is perfect and where suffering does not exist." Why would a god presume that I preferred suffering to not suffering ... unless he was off his rocker? The stories are utter nonsense.
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@djl5634 The scientist Stephen Hawking believed that in one form or another, the universe always existed. If his system of belief just happened to be correct, then consciousness and suffering of all forms of life is natural, and there never was any judge-mental creator in existence, or any afterlife where souls of only humans go to be punished or rewarded.
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@djl5634 But it states in your bible "Judge not, lest ye be judged." Doesn't that mean that you are only supposed to let the god of your worship do the judging of other humans? You see ... I can play that bible game too. It's called cherry picking ... to suit every mood. Is your "sin" greater than her sin ... when you don't know her reasons for having an abortion ... or maybe five abortions. Of course, I don't believe in that word "sin" ... because I don't believe in the existence of a god that is offended by sin.
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@djl5634 If people that have never heard "the word" all go to heaven without ever hearing the word ... then why bother preaching "the word?" At any rate ... the word is not one word, Each religion spews countless "words" ... all claiming to be telling "the exact word" of the creator ... yet they fight and kill each other over which words are from the creator. And then the same preachers preach that "God" is beyond all understanding, and that someday in the hereafter "God" will allow us to understand. It's all bunk.
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@hexahexametermeter According to religion, suffering is the creator's criteria. The story goes, that we MUST suffer for not obeying the commandments of the supposed god, which is odd dogma, considering that the supposed god was also said to have given us free will. Women were and are taught by religion that they must suffer during childbirth, because it is GOD's will. It was said to be a sin at one time to take any pain relief during the birthing process. Religion only exists because of that word suffering, now AND in the supposed afterlife ... and THAT should strike all humans, as being odd.
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@djl5634 If a god existed, it would be the most prolific abortionist ever. Rather than using the scientific term "miscarriage," those who want to play the religious game ... should use the term "God's abortions." After all ... poor old Lucifer should not be blamed for everything.
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@Imperialbbuilding Those words " before I knit you in your mothers womb, I knew you '' ... were written by men pretending to be hearing words from gods. The men needed women to bear as many babies as possible for the men's armies, so that they could fight and kill each other, in the name of god.
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@djl5634 There is freedom of will to believe as we choose to believe, but from your perspective, if a god's will is not followed, then suffering is the result. So THAT is not freedom of will. That (within theology) is a god telling you to OBEY ... or SUFFER the consequences. Religion is bunkology.
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@djl5634 My guess is, the first men that created imaginary gods, were filled with anger, and mistrust concerning each other's behaviors. And they were very suspicious and judge-mental of each other. So, it followed that the gods they imagined to lives of their own, would be angry gods that were very judgmental and wouldn't trust the very humans that they created. From my perspective, religion was and is ... all make believe.
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@djl5634 What makes sense to me, is Stephen Hawking’s No Boundary Proposal, which does away with the idea that the universe was created, and where he stated before he died, “I still believe the universe has a beginning in real time, at the big bang. But there’s another kind of time, imaginary time, at right angles to real time, in which the universe has no beginning or end.”—Stephen Hawking Black Holes and Baby Universes.
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@djl5634 When in 1927 the Catholic priest Georges Lemaître created the Big Bang theory, it followed that the Big Bang theory would be enmeshed with the idea that the universe was created by a god, as Stephen Hawking learned when he visited the pope. ... "In 1985, I attended a conference on cosmology at the Vatican in Rome. The gathering of scientists had an audience with Pope John Paul II. He told us that it was okay to study the workings of the universe, but we should not ask questions about its origin, for that was the work of God." Stephen Hawking
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@Islamicones1 I suggest that when you don't know why a the woman is having an abortion, to judge her actions as being wrong, is wrong. Maybe she can't even take care of the children she already has, and knows that if she has another, the ones she already has will suffer even more. I never had an abortion, but that doesn't make me better in any way, than women who do have abortions. If you think that judging them in a harsh way, makes you morally superior ... then that is your choice.
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@Islamicones1 Although this United States Supreme Court judge is now deceased, words from her book live on. From the book … My Own Words … author … RUTH BADER GINSBURG. Whether you are a Christian, or an Atheist … you better think hard and long, as you close one clinic after another … in the pretense that it protects “babies.” The lives of women are at stake here, and they are the lives of your mothers, daughters, aunts, friends … and even grandmothers. Then she made a point, nowhere addressed in the Breyer opinion, but embedded in the memories of women old enough to remember the days when abortion was illegal: “When a State severely limits access to safe and legal procedures, women in desperate circumstances may resort to unlicensed rogue practitioners, faute de mieux, at great risk to their health and safety.” (Later speaking with a reporter, she was blunt about the law’s purpose: “It seemed to me it was a sham to pretend this was about a woman’s health” rather than about making it harder to obtain an abortion.)
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@djl5634 Once a person starts preaching what is moral, and what is immoral ... that person is in big trouble ... not only with others ... but more important ... with one's own conscience. Back in history, The Catholic hierarchy believed that up until "the quickening" (41/2 months gestation) that abortion was not murder? Those men were certain, that until movement could be "felt" there wasn't any life in the womb. If women of the Catholic faith had their abortions before 41/2 months gestation, their consciences were free of guilt, as they were certain they were being "moral." So, other than indoctrination, what is morality?
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@djl5634 Eskimo: 'If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?' Priest: 'No, not if you did not know.' Eskimo: 'Then why did you tell me?' Author … Annie Dillard.
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@djl5634 Do you think that your life is better than the lives lived by Einstein and Stephen Hawking? Really?
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@djl5634 Many people would say that Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking lived very productive lives. The fact that you think they didn't may be your problem.
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@123awesomerobot Abortion is not murder. Fetuses do not have air in their lungs, and what does not have air in lungs cannot have the air cut off. Only babies breathe air in their lungs, and can be murdered. That is why one group is referred to as fetus, and the other group to baby. And that is why women who have abortions are not incarcerated while being charged with murder.
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@123awesomerobot If a man kills a pregnant woman, he will be charged with two murders, but that is because he took the choice away from the woman, who might have wanted that fetus to mature into a baby.
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Although this United States Supreme Court judge is now deceased, words from her book live on. From the book … My Own Words … author … RUTH BADER GINSBURG. Whether you are a Christian, or an Atheist … you better think hard and long, as you close one clinic after another … in the pretense that it protects “babies.” The lives of women are at stake here, and they are the lives of your mothers, daughters, aunts, friends … and even grandmothers. Then she made a point, nowhere addressed in the Breyer opinion, but embedded in the memories of women old enough to remember the days when abortion was illegal: “When a State severely limits access to safe and legal procedures, women in desperate circumstances may resort to unlicensed rogue practitioners, faute de mieux, at great risk to their health and safety.” (Later speaking with a reporter, she was blunt about the law’s purpose: “It seemed to me it was a sham to pretend this was about a woman’s health” rather than about making it harder to obtain an abortion.)
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