Comments by "S Andersson" (@sandersson2813) on "Can We Live Without Religion? - Alex O'Connor" video.

The best countries in the world have the LEAST religion and tjeu dont suffer any problems with morality.
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 @AlessandroRodriguez You don't need religion. The best countries in the world have the least religion.
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@romper4444 Just another stupid claim with no evidence to support it like every other religion. I'm scared of your threat about as much as every other religion you don't believe in. Grow up. You can't even prove a god exists let alone anything about what that god thinks or wants.
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I do, religious beliefs are ridiculous and deserve to be ridiculed. Get all the clergy out of the House of Lords and start taxing religions. They do not deserve any special treatment.
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@markaurelius61 If you'd bother reading I said the best countries to live in. No one has ever considered those you mentioned the best. . Try and not jump on the keyboard as soon as you try to find something you object to without reading properly. The countries considered the best places to live in and the happiest countries have THE LEAST religion.
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 @kronos01ful Morality doesn't come from religion. Just look how immoral Christianity is for example. It's based on a human sacrifice.
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@dougmasters4561 Morals ARE ALWAYS subjective. Morals are determined by the time, culture and country we live in, morality even differs within a country. Hence why Europe doesn't have death penalty anymore, nor does it keep slaves DESPITE the bible advocating for both.
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@brndxt You aren't doing a very good job. Morality, demonstrably doesn't come from religion. Can you name me one piece of moral guidance you think uniquely comes from a religion? You don't seriously think "love they neighbour" originated in the bible do you? Do you not think people got on just fone before the bible told them they should? I didn't say "religious morality is bad" I said that our morality doesn't come from a religion.
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@liammccann8763 Climate change, LGBT , veganism etc have NOTHING to do with Atheism.
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@coreyander286 Well said. Do you respect an adult who believes in, makes decisions based on, lives their life based on ,and tries to get their beliefs influence society in terms of education, politics, taxation if they believed in Santa Claus, Leprechauns, Fairies? Religion is no better and no more credible than that and deserves absolutely no special treatment. It deserves derision and ridicule
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@andrewworth7574 I would never marry a woman who was religious or who believed in a Jewish sky zombie. If she's stupid enough to believe that, wewhat other idiotic things might she believe? Why would anyone believe in a religion? It is indistinguishable from a fairy tale and frankly as laughable as believing in Astrology.
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@jasonbrady3606 Religion is certainly not an "awesome" environment. It's indoctrination into believing ridiculous things without any justification whilst excusing abject immorality of holy books.
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@notthatkindofsam Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland are usually considered the best places to live in the world. All have LOW religion. So it's clear we don't need religion for anything. Name me one good thing done by religion that can't be done without it, and name me one moral value that uniquely comes from religion. You can't.
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 @chibu3212 Eastern countries? Like where?
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@flyingdutchman8093 Stalin didn't stamp out religion. The Orthodox Russian Church was never banned.
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Morals do not and never have come from religion. Morals come from the society we live in. The Bible says that slavery is ok, that an unruly child should be killed and that a r*pe victim MUST marry her R*pist. How moral is that?
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@MrReubenTishkoff Ha ha ha. Religion is disgusting and immoral. There is NOTHING good done by religion that can't be done without it, so demonstrably we don't need religion and the countries rated the best countries in the world have THE LEAST religion.
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@MrReubenTishkoff The countries that are the best countries to live in have the LEAST religion. There is NOTHING good done by religion that can't be done without it, so why bother?
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@brndxt No one is claiming that life is meaningless, just that religion is stupid. There is nothing good done by religion that can't be done without it, doesn't make life meaningless. Quite the opposite actually as an atheist doesn't waste their life believing there's some sort of preposterous afterlife.
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@brndxt Then they were mad if they prayed to anything. Of course a society can flourish without religion, I've already stated twice that religion doesn't do anything good that can't be done without it. Can you name something good it does that can't be done without. Name one country that couldn't flourish without religion. We have examples of many countries which have flourish since religion effectively died out. Communism isn't directly connected with atheism by the way. Russia for example still had the Orthodox Church and never outlawed religion, whilst , Cuba was Catholic all throughout communism. You mentioned nihilism which is the belief that life is meaningless.
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@brndxt European countries have been shaped by all sorts of things such as Romans and Vikings, but like religion, doesn't mean it's relevant any longer, so appealling to ancient history means nothing. The biggest influence now has been the industrial revolution and development of science to improving society and standard of living, education, health, law etc not crackpot religions. Our laws and societies are not dependent on religion. Again, tell me anything good done by religion that can't be done without it. Also, show me a religious country which is better than a first world, developed ,western secular country.
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@dougmasters4561 And most of those things you mention are expressly allowed or condoned by the religion you claim our morality is based on. Genocide is condoned in the bible, and Christians see the Bible as moral, therefore they accept genocide to be moral. The Bible condones slavery too The Bible condones incest The Bible says an unruly child should be out to death The Bible says gay people, adulterers and those who work on the Sabbath are to be killed It says a woman is worth half a man, so exactly what morality are we getting from the predominant western religion? The predominant western religion is based on HUMAN SACRIFICE, of course we don't need religion to tell us what is moral.
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@dougmasters4561 Ha ha ha. Virtually everything you have just mentioned is expressly condoned, permitted or excused by the very religion you claim western society is based on. Still waiting on your example of a country doing better as a religious country than a western secular country.
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@brndxt No, you're trying to make a special case for religion when you can already look at what religion has done and continues to do that we see as being immoral. Again, name me a religious country that is better than a western secular country. The very things we consider to be immoral are the very things condoned or permitted by the religion you claim we get our morals from. How did the west improve in the 1600's? It wasn't really until the industrial revision in the late 18th Century
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@dougmasters4561 Ok, I'm happy to retract that not all morality is 100% subjective if you accept we don't get them from religion, because we don't, but you didn't need a religion to tell you that did you? By the way there is an occasion when it is moral to kill innocent people, you really can't see that? Abortion IS a human right. It is not YOUR right to command a woman to remain pregnant. Neither law nor science sees a foetus within the abortion window as a human being, so there's your first problem. Again, what makes you think we get morality from any religion when the religion you claim morality is based on in the west so so abundantly clearly not moral. Society has been shaped on all sorts of things over time, slavery, war, religion, empire, disasters, technology, geology, climate, economy etc, but it doesn't mean that we still have to behave as if they play a relevant part today.
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@brndxt You aren't doing a very good job. The point is that moronic people are claiming that out morality comes from religion, when it is obvious that it doesn't. If it did we'd be executing gay people, having human sacrifices, keeping slaves etc. Religion is subjugation to a stupid idea. Can you name any moral action or guidance we have today that comes uniquely from a religion? No, you can't. Our morality evolved from the time, culture and society we live in, and how we want to be treated, not some shitty bronze age disgusting book. Love they neighbour as you say, is not something that originated in the bible. Are you seriously suggesting that these contrived cliched proverbs contained within the bible were unknown and not practiced until the bible? You're not that gullible are you?
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@brndxt I'm asking you to please explain what we regard as moral that is unique to or originated in the bible given that has been the predominant religion in western society. There is nothing (and far too much in the bible demonstrably immoral) and as such no one with a straight face can claim, as has been done in the comments and on this video that we get our morals from religion when it is perfectly clear we do not. Ps, I have no reason, compulsion or requirement to love my neighbour. At best in the interests of my own wellbeing and that of the harmony of building in which I live I simply tolerate my neighbour. Love is not required for the relationship and would be unnecessary.
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@thewellandvalley2103 The same countries you are referring to also had influence from Roman cultures, vikings, slavery, war, empire, natural disasters etc too. Should we be praising those things as things that shaped countries? So what if religion n played an historical part. It doesn't mean religion made them good. Imagine how far further we would be as developed nations were it not for indoctrination of religion holding us back.
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@brndxt You can keep bringing things from the Bible up of you like, but we know FROM SOCIETY, not the bible that we don't want our stuff stolen. Kids inherently do not know this so take things without permission, but parents tell us not to steal our siblings toys and explain to us we wouldn't like it done to us. It's about harmony and well being of our small society as a family which extends to wider society. We do not need the bible to remind us of mortality, we are taught morality from our SOCIETY, not some disgusting old book which condones slavery, genocide, human sacrifice, vengeful retribution etc. If the Bible teaches so many horrible things as acceptable, how have we determined what in it might follow moral rules? Obviously we don't use the bible as a morality guide or we'd still keep slaves and everything else we see in the bible, such as genocide or topping off gay people or adulterers would be seen as moral, but we clearly see those things as immoral. You know this, so stop digging a deeper hole. How did you determine what teachings in the bible were moral and which ones were moral if you think morality comes from religion?
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@TechnoMinarchist No one NEEDS religion, they've just been indoctrinated to think they do. Tell me one thing done by religion that can't be done without it. You can't.
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@TechnoMinarchist Ha ha ha, the same religion that suppressed and tortured Galileo?
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@TechnoMinarchist So why did it force him to recant his discoveries and keep him under house arrest?
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@TechnoMinarchist Ha ha. They only supported him if his work was to their liking. If wasn't so they screwed him.
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@TechnoMinarchist That isn't sponsoring discovery if you suppress the results when you don't like them. That is RETARDING science. The Church had very little to do with ANY inventions or scientific discovery. Please demonstrate one you think came from any interference from the church.
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@TechnoMinarchist If you only reveal the results you like that is ANTI SCIENCE. Name me one invention or scientific discovery dependent on religion.
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@TechnoMinarchist What the hell are you on about. Christianity is the complete opposite of observation it is the antitheses of science. It is believing WITHOUT evidence. Religion is faith which is gullibility.
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@thewellandvalley2103 Why wouldn't we? By the way, the reason we had slavery wmso long was because the Bible permits, condones and sets rules for how you can keep slaves. Name one thing about our modern days society which has come EXCLUSIVELY from religion, or which couldn't be done without it.
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@TechnoMinarchist Ha ha. I didn't say we had it because of religion, I said that Christianity and the bible SANCTIONED IT and even describes how hard you can beat a slave and how you can own their wives and children. I'm sorry that I appear to know your bible better than you do. Isn't it funny that your god could say "don't eat shellfish" but didn't say "don't keep slaves"
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