Comments by "remliqa" (@remliqa) on "Real Engineering"
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+cnoogs
Those numbers I provided are easily google-able( try it). Yes, we can do a rather accurate estimates of the numbers because we know how much fossil fuels are burned each year, how much of them that comes from natural sources (the afore mentioned volcanoes, the biggest natural releaser of C02) and the level of CO2 in the atmosphere through the ages from recorded data ( ice core and sedimentary drilling eg). We know for a certain that most of the CO2 really do comes from human activity and the rate/percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere have been steadily rising.
Th biggest carbon sink on our planet is the ocean (the amount would be far higher if not for that role), but that to seem to comes at a cost to the ecosystem (the acidification of the ocean), this in turn reduced its future capacity to capture more released CO2 .Eventually it will be overwhelmed . As for plants and their ability to capture CO2, their role are mainly for stabilisation the amount of CO2 and of limited in role. Even they too have been severely compromised thanks to rapid deforestation that is occurring around the globe. If they are as effective as you claim, the buildup would not have happen in the first place
Most of the thing you stated in your second paragraph (in 800 CE he earth's temperature was far higher than today eg, the truth is average temperature from this past few decades have been higher than in 800 CE) have been thoroughly debunked . While the planet have experienced fluctuation in global temperature, the rate of change have never been higher. In just less than a century , we have experienced changes that would have taken centuries and even millennia in the past. Most geologist are in agreement to this ( again the whole most geologist disagree with man made climate change is a myth).
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+cnoogs
"Okay. Nice attempt at insulting"
Take it as you may. I'm just expressing my disappointment at your rather duplicitous nature of data interpretation.
" But moving on, I agree CO2 has been increasing heavily, but the temperature has not. You refer me to the tree ring method, whose graph shows today has the highest temperature, but the scale is only back 1000 years ago. Increase that scale to 12000 years and you see a very different picture. And I accept that in 1000 years, today we have the highest temperature (the graph where temperature is derived from the tree rings - but again, that's just in the 1000 years)."
No, the data still show that temperature are increasing faster today than any other time in history. You are confusing maximum recorded temperature with rate of temperature change. While we are still largely unsure of the detail of the multiple warming and cooling periods, we are sure (to a certain degree) that the rate of climate change that we are experiencing is indeed unprecedented.
"Polar bears - so are you saying the population is in decline? If so, why do you disagree with my source. Speaking of, have you read any of my sources? Or was your point that polar bears will be in danger in the future? If that is your point, don't push the myth polar bears are in decline, they are not."
You mean the very same source that said explicitly stated that climate change indeed might have adverse impact on polar bear population? Or do you ignore them pointing out the increase in population was due to reduced hunting by humans or that when that data was collected the range of ice sheets were still greater than it is now? Your source concluded that climate change is indeed a threat to polar bear population.
"That means the at 800 CE was hotter than today - an original statement, which you tried refute earlier."
I didn't try to refute, the collected data debunked that theory. There is no proof that 800 CE was hotter than today. The few observable data actually states the opposite.
'You are the one cherry picking. You choose the graph with a scale of only 1000 years to prove your point, but refuse to consider ice cores that show a more complete picture"
You acts as if the ice core data actually debunks man-made climate change. If you actually looked at those tens of thousand of year data you'll find that they do no such thing. Cheery picking would be coming to your conclusion despite the fact that the people who do studies those ice core never agree with your conclusion.
"The overwhelming support you suggest has been all refuted with my own: Polar bears, temperature graphs with a scale of 12000 years, ice volume/ocean height graphs - which just prove the ice caps began melting 12000 years ago."
Ironic considering the full text and data analysing on very single one of those sources ( which highlights your extraordinary degree of cherry picking and misrepresentation of data that is literally written for you)pretty much agree that man made climate change is both real and a threat to the ecosystem . Unless you mean to say that none of the data you show supported your notion, you have only successfully refuted yourself.
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@steelshepherd6843
"You are taking their presented data at face value, you have not made a scientific point,"
No, I trust the experts in the field that have analysed those scientific data.
"you like everyone else falls back on the same defences, "
You mean falling back to scientific facts and verified data. You knows, *the truth*?
" I'm not even saying people are not having an effect, only that the data is not accurate"
Tbe data is accurate enough to explain the effects of climate change and correctly predicted future trends.
"the effects are exaggerated'
There is nothing exaggerated about the observed increased intensity of natural phenomenon (drought, tropical storsm etc) due to climate change.
"what is being presented, and predicting it is far more difficult than they are acknowledging."
i haven' met a single climate scientist that is worth his/her salt that claims their prediction is 100 accurate ofr they knew everything , ergo there is no basis for your complain here.
Really ? another pseudoscience webtsite with questionable methodology as your source?
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/real-climate-science/
As for rest of your links:
"https://www.nytimes.com/1989/01/26/us/us-data-since-1895-fail-to-show-warming-trend.html?src=pm%3D%3D"
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This 1989 article have shown ridiculously outdated based on the increase in global and local(as in the US) temperature recorded through the 200s until now Heck it was in line with what predicted ibn your NASA link (yes your own NAS link correctly predicted that the temperature rise past the previous high after the year 2000s
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"Specifically entropy, the primary method for heat loss of our planet is not even discussed. "
The entropy parts have been addressed:
https://www.skepticalscience.com/Second-law-of-thermodynamics-greenhouse-theory.htm
It seem you rather cherry pick data (many outdated ) and quote dubious sources rather than the one that uses scientific method
"1. In your first post you said my points were all debunked which is false."
They have been debunked.
"Skeptical Science, you would realize it is old, many if not most of the points were being argued about their accuracy even 12 years ago,"
That is abcaeu most of th dberate have been settled 12 year gao, and yest people keep on bringing them up.
"You are afraid to find data countering your end and likely would acknowledge it if the situations reversed, ""
False, I welcome any credible eb=vidence that would enlighten me on the thure nature if thing. You just failed to brought up any.
"which is unlikely because only one is lucrative."
Oil companies literally spent hundreds of millions sponsoring research that tried to debunks and discredit made made climate change. There is far more money to be made on your side . The fact that they failed so far despite being more well funded shows the strengths of the science behind them..
"Being published may be prestigious, but like most things that has proven to be a rigged game. I am not responsible for your lack of knowledge about all of the reports that have been cancelled or defended,"
Peer review isn't about being published. Its about having other researcher have a go at your finding and tries to dismantle you if they could. The beauty about peer reviews is that it quickly discredits any research and study that isn't up to mark. That is why many false papers (Andrew Wakefiled) quickly got debunked . The fact that thsoe studes got "cancelled"" shows the treght of the peer review method ,
'3. A consensus does mean a few things, a bias in publishing, a bias in funding, and easy money if you can produce similar reports.
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You really don't understand how scientist mind works do you? A scientist is more likely to achieve fame and accolades if s/he manage to successfully debunks refutes
an established report/paradigm or introduce new one that no one have ever thought rather than be a conformist. Because of this insular drive, it is only when the data is strong enough do a consensus usually appears.
A fore the money enticement , as I said there is far more money to be made trying to debunk man made climate change.
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@steelshepherd6843
"Your entire point is other people are right and you believe them, "
Only because they have been proven to be right. You on the other hand should trust people who are smarter than you.
" The fact you think there is more money to be made solely in oil rather than government subsidized renewable energy should be a red flag considering both Tesla, the solar industry, and the political careers of those who champion them."
You seem to not know that fossil fuel and ICE industry is far more heavily subsidised ( literally in the amounts of hundred of billion of dollars ) than renewable energy now or that very powerful political parties (the GOP in the US eg) do back them.
'Everything you say and every point you try to make has no analysis on your part, you are defending something you can't explain"
I already explain it to you my analysis : *human made climate change and their impact is supported by all credible evidence that we gathered so far*.. The fact that you refused to listen shows the problem on your side
"It should be the role of everyone to question the assertions made, it is the duty of the person making the assertion to prove it. I cannot disprove anything if it was never proven in the first place, at least o the degree that they have claimed."
Again, the theory and data behind man made climate change have been challenged countless times and very single time they do came on top. There are literally thousands of peer reviewed scientific paper that proves their assertion to be correct. The fact that you chose to ignore them shows wilful ignorance on your past.
"You walk in lock step with the narrative and have admitted as such, you are following solely what is popular and because it is popular."
You mean like how the Earth is an oblate sphere orbiting around the sun is a "popular assertion". Facts are facts regardless of how "popular" it is.
" There are a thousand comments of people trying to figure out what you call settled "
If you actually spend time reading those comment you would find that most that tried to refute climate change are as ignorant of science as you yourself have shown. They few that seem to know seem to bent of cherry picking
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"and yet you call others false when you can'explain it yourself."
No, I called them false because they are incapable of providing irrefutable evidence /data to what they claim. In fact many of them have been thoroughly debunked .
"Remember this in 2030 when we are still here"
Another strawman form you. Almost all climate scientist agrees that man made climate change will not be the extinction of mankind (so of course we would still be here). At worst it would cause catastrophic ecological disaster that will cost humanity trillion of dollar in damage and countless lives and would take the Earth million of years to recover.
' come while the goal is never reached and the alarmism continues on, the goal post are moved, and the previous alarmist and their claims are forgotten in place of the new ones"
Talk about ignoring realty. So far the=climate scientist have managed to correctly predict the effects of climate change, so no, no goalpost have been moved. They only one movie goalpost are climate change deniers, I remember the time that they tried to deny that climate change is even happening.
"https://www.theepochtimes.com/chapter-sixteen-the-communism-behind-environmentalism-part-ii_2786362.html"
Wow, another poorly researched, extremely biased and non credible source from you.
That is the problem with you. Your opposition is based on some tribal mentality of political leanings instead of what the facts are pointing. You allow partisanship to blind your from seeing the truth, science doesn't care about political beliefs.
"If you are emotionally attached to your tribe, religion or political leaning to the point that truth and justice become secondary considerations, your education is useless.
Your exposure is useless. If you cannot reason beyond petty sentiments, you are a liability to mankind" ~ Dr. Chuba Okadigbo(Late)"
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