Comments by "Jack Haveman" (@JackHaveman52) on "Conservative Twins"
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@edwardamos6462
Your experiences have nothing to do with this. I'm talking about evidence that has been brought out in his trial and the police body cam videos. If a person says that he can't breathe while he's lying on his back, in the car, kicking and screaming, and there's no one around him, you tend to think that he's making it up. If he's repeated the same thing, LONG before he's on the ground but standing up and the police are just talking to him, you wonder what he's talking about. He said it 6 or 7 times, maybe even more, before he was on the ground. What made those claims more urgent when he WAS on the ground, the place that he asked to be?
You're not addressing any of those facts.
And if you think anecdotal evidence carries water, here's one for YOU. I worked with a guy who was constantly complaining how he couldn't breathe, every time it got a little hot out. That was 20 years ago. He's still alive.
People say all kinds of things to jerk police officers around. He didn't die in ALL the time he was standing up. In fact, he became extremely violent. The only reason that he could have difficulty breathing, when he was still standing, is that the Fentanyl was starting to impair his breathing and he was already starting to die of a drug overdose. Hypoxia is the primary danger of Fentanyl misuse. The autopsy report says he died of hypoxia. They're police officers, not doctors or even paramedics. They're not as liable to recognise the signs.
By the way, they did call for Emergency Services. I'm thinking they did it just to cover all the bases.
One of the most ridiculous ideas is that Chauvin, intentionally murdered Floyd, in broad daylight, in front of an openly hostile crowd, who were videotaping him. Who would be that stupid. It's like leaving your name and address at a bank robbery. It makes no sense.
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@CCPLord
I'm not blaming the kid for the police actions. I'm blaming her for how she behaved, ON THAT DAY. That's doesn't excuse what the police did.
Once again, I'm talking about MY responsibility if that was MY child. MY child. It is my job to teach her how to behave in these circumstances, to teach her to try to maintain self control, no matter what. That she could have represented herself, as a human being, in a much better way. For you to inject murdered family members....and WORSE, things that didn't happen, is illogical.
I have a responsibility to my child, to ensure her well being, her survival even, by teaching her that she must always try to maintain self control, as much as possible. If she believes that this kind of behaviour is normal, then she'll accept it of others and she'll take up with others who lose control and react in horrific ways, to her detriment and it could be a LOT worse than just a little pepper spray.
It's my responsibility to show her that you cannot control how others act, but you can control how you behave. I can't do that with police officers. I can't go down to the local precinct and start teaching the officers how adults should behave. They're not my responsibility, but MY daughter is.
Get this. If she was MY daughter. Not if that was MY police force. Then I have to deal with their behaviour, but I didn't come from that angle. I've said, right from the start, "If that was my daughter". I have a job, as a parent. Someone has failed her, big time, long before this horrific incident happened.
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@CCPLord
I'm making assumptions? You're the one that brought up about family being killed and worse. Where did you come up with that stuff? It wasn't mentioned in the video. You pulled it out of your.....hat.
I saw a 9 year old girl, screaming her head off, out of control, in the throes of a temper tantrum. I saw a bunch of police officers unsure on how to handle it and took it way too far. All I'm saying is that a good parent, especially with all that's been going on with the police, would have prepared her for such a scenario. Told her that if a police officer approached her, that the best thing to do is to remain calm and do as they say.
That's all I said. Prepare your child for life. There are bad people out there and some of them may not even be bad but stupidly dangerous. Someone didn't do that. She acted in the worst possible way and the cops acted in the worst possible way out of exasperation. For her own safety and her own well being, she should be taught that. What does it matter to her safety AFTER the fact. She has to be ready to handle it before it happens. She has to be prepared. That's the job of a parent.
You're the one making assumptions. Family getting killed....you MADE that up. When you use a made up narrative, in an argument, you're using more than assumptions. It's getting close to a bald faced lie. I'm astounded that you , as an adult, can't see that, that is, if that's what you are.
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@AfterKai48
Mosquitoes have killed more people than Covid has....BY FAR, in human history. Over 1 million people die of malaria every year, most of them under 5 years of age, and 300 to 600 million suffer from the effects of the disease every year, just to name one disease.
Diseases that are spread to people by mosquitoes include Zika virus, West Nile virus, Chikungunya virus, dengue, and malaria.....copied and pasted from CDC.GOV.
Millions have also died of Yellow fever in human history. They had to stop work on the Panama Canal, for a time, because so many were dying.
Now what was that about taste or smell or something?
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@michaelmulvihill7710
What you don't understand is the long term effects of shutting down the economy and doubling the national debt in less than a year. Or the effects of printing money to cover that debt. What that means that if we do it again, for another year, it's another doubling of the debt and even MORE money in circulation which a recipe for runaway inflation and horrific economic collapse in 3rd world countries. That means starvation, which especially affects the children, who will be affected by the effects of childhood malnutrition for the rest of their lives. My sister adopted a girl who, at 3 years old, nearly starved to death. She's suffered from all kinds of health problems because of it, including a kidney transplant....all because of the effects of starvation.
Right now people, living in 3rd world cities, are out of work and money. They're going into the countryside to forage for food. That means that they're spreading the disease, they're killing wildlife and flora to live and are prey to criminals who will steal what little they have.
The UN has warned that there are at least 10 million at risk of starvation right now, due to the lockdowns, and that lockdowns should only be used in extreme circumstances.
But....go ahead. Be afraid of the long term effects, that you've even admitted that you don't even know if they exist or not. That'll feed the masses in the 3rd world and ease your conscience a bit.
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