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"They don't love the poor....they just hate the rich" Rather sums up Marxism quite well.
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Peterson's "Cain and Abel" metaphor was an extremely powerful vision of their violence. The darkness of the human soul.
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@benisrood The government has all the cards. The power is in the hands of the government. The minute the protesters lash out, the propaganda machine will go to work and the protest will be over. They will crush them. The protesters have to win the propaganda war. If they do nothing and the government tries to crush them, the average Canadian will be faced with a choice. Does he help crush the peaceful truckers and behave like Gestapo henchmen or does he decry the violence of the government? THEY CAN'T WIN IF THEY USE VIOLENCE. The average Canadian will not stand for it. The truckers would be no different than the guy who resists arrest, thinking he's going to beat the police. It's hopeless. They have to win the propaganda war or the protest won't work.
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What I saw was...."Trump cheated. He's a pawn of the Russians. He's not my president." just to name a few. Humbled? I saw rage. As someone that didn't want to see Trump win and supported the Democrats, I was shocked at their reaction. Since then, I've gotten so I wouldn't vote for the Democrats ever again. Not that Trump is so wonderful but all the Democrats had to do was be better than him. How hard could that be? Pretty hard, apparently.
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@jonnio69 Yes, he has a lot of difficulties. That's what happens when you've been abused as a child. That's why so many of us are so angry about the sexualisation of children, even in our schools. It's a recipe for disaster. You're making our case for us.
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@Jesus loves a Shovelhead That old trope again. There are pharmaceuticals that have helped people live normal lives. That's a given and has been shown to be true. You take one aspect of his life, a failure, no doubt about it, and then you automatically dismiss the things that he's discussing in this video. If you want to dismiss the things that he and Fry are talking about....discuss the things that he's talking about. Don't tear down the person and then claim proof of tearing down the ideas discussed. That's not a very academic or intellectual stance. 2+2 still equals 4, no matter who says it. You can't say that since the messenger is a drunk, therefore it must equal 5. The message is NOT the messenger. Don't equate the two entities.
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Amy h To assume that it's permanent, when you're 13, is not only shortsighted, but just plain wrong. A person's body goes through great hormonal changes through puberty and the teenage years. To apply a permanent solution, during those years, would just as likely, cause great physical turmoil causing conflict between the artificial changes and the normal, natural development that we all go through. Allow your body to do what it is supposed to do and if that doesn't alter the urges towards dysphoric feelings, THEN seek medical solutions. That would be the common sense way to proceed.
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@viktorkc1154 Orwell was a socialist until he fought in the Spanish Civil War. Right after that he wrote "Animal Farm" which was a strong voice against socialism. 8 year later, he wrote 1984. This is one of the most powerful works on the dangerous aspects of socialist thought. His take on the idea of Newspeak, is brilliant and is now being demonstrated by modern universities who actually have guidelines for what is acceptable to say and what isn't. Control of the individual by control of speech. The more verbal infractions that are introduced the more control they have over you. Not just in the way they speak but the way they think. Orwell realised this about socialist thought. Socialism can't work unless everyone is onboard with the idea. If not, they must be re-educated or rejected outright and the methods of rejection become more strident the more control the socialists gain.
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@GregorPQ Liking him has nothing to do with it. Is he telling the truth....that's the important question. Truth is NOT contingent upon whether I'd have him over for a barbecue or not. Truth stands on its own and the personality of those who speak the truth is completely and totally irrelevant.
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@lameduck3105 Of course Fry would be intolerant of religious leaders who call for the death of homosexuals. It goes against the principles of human rights. Basically, the right to believe and live as one wishes as long as one isn't depriving others of their right to believe and live as they wish. It's the law of tolerance. You tolerate others until they insist of taking away your right of tolerance.
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Boris B That's not an example. That's an observation on how some people draw conclusions from little to no real evidence. You just slotted Peterson into that group of people and not assert that it must be true because Feynman is a high profile source. It's an appeal to authority. Human behaviour is not an exact science. Ten different people can respond in different ways to the exact same stimuli and, unless one has previous information on the personality traits of each individual, one can't know what their response will be. Instead, you make observations and try to establish trends in behaviour and try to find why these behaviours are the same and different. That's all that social sciences can do. Peterson has talked about male and female traits and has referred to statistics that show trends in their respective behaviours which overlap and differ. It's not an exact science because one can't accurately predict how a specific person will behave. One can make assumptions on statistical traits that have been extensively observed, but that's as far as one can go. That's not pseudo-science if you declare the inaccuracy rates and acknowledge the limitations of you data. Another example is how a doctor can predict death rates of an outbreak of a disease by saying the approximate percentage of those who will die. They'll base it on data gathered from previous outbreaks. It gives a ballpark figure, but one can't really know for sure. There is always room for error when your only source is data and variables are so varied that all can't be accounted for in a prediction. Now, back to a solid example of Peterson's preaching. One that refers to Peterson.
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@carlyellison8498 Instead of ad hominem attacks, why don't you discuss the points that Peterson is making? Not in mocking terms but from the eyes of one who really wants to understand what he's saying and then outlining why you find problems with it. You're behaving like one that dislikes ideas that throw into doubt you're view of the facts. Your ideas, that are so rigid that discussions that might counter them must be flagged and reported. Are you that weak that you can't even abide the thought that someone might disagree with you on an issue? That's incredibly sad. Also, Peterson has to be the worst cult leader in history. His is a cult that values personal sovereignty over a collective mindset and personal responsibility over group think and action. He's says we should all come to our own conclusions on what is important to our lives. That's one funny way for a cult leader to act or to advocate for.
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@Jesus loves a Shovelhead In other words, your problem is with psychology NOT Jordan Peterson. I'm not going to say whether you have a point or not. That's not what I'm talking about OR what this video is about. Also, at this moment, Peterson isn't all that keen about that drug that nearly killed him. His story should be a testament to the dangers of some drugs and one to demonstrate how easy it is to be a victim of things that are supposed to help you. Instead, you don't use it in a positive way. You use it to denigrate. If you were to ask Peterson about what he thinks on that drug NOW, he'd be, and is, outspoken on its negative effects. You could use his life example to influence a better approach to these drugs but instead...you try to silence him. Not the best use of his story. Now....let's get back on topic. Fry and Peterson exchange a lot of ideas that are interesting and worth talking about. None of them have anything to do with psychiatric drugs.....no matter how hard you try.
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@cshelley5658 I watched that video a few years ago. They wanted to discredit her....really bad. When a satellite image shows North Korea as a black outline amidst of sea of light, you know that there's a big problem here. There are so many reasons to know that North Korea is an horrific place to live, yet you center in on the one video and decide that THIS has to be the truth. You're either deluded or a liar.
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@ktcarroll4723 He was more likely some ideologue, thinking that he was fighting for his leftist cause. He thought his presence would reflect on the integrity of the protesters. A weak and stupid man, seeking glory for his new socialist world. There's a lot of nuts out there.
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I hope that it doesn't happen. Keep to your principles and the best to you.
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Boris B Give an example of how he is preaching.
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@blackquiver Your comment sounds contradictory. If the oppressed have no voice, haven't they lost the means, free speech, to Liberty? Your comment is quite baffling. You'll have to dig a little deeper than that because I'd really like to understand your point.
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@mr2_mike But you do understand.....right? That's the way of the elitist. "I will show you. You cannot possibly have the know how that I do. Follow ME". Get off your high horse.
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@carlyellison8498 So.....what's wrong with cleaning your room? Since when is that a bad idea? You're not going to tell me that you don't realise that this is also a metaphor for cleaning up your life. YOU can't make my life better or happier. Only I can do that. That's what he's saying. Cultish, I know, but it's the cult of me and the cult of you. Using our own strengths to make a better person.
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@Erhudreamer If it was our nature, the organisers wouldn't have to stress that being peaceful is important. The fact that they've emphasised it means that they've thought it through, which implies strategy.
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@JohnSmith-zo6ir If you go in guns ablazin, you'll lose. They HAVE the bullets, just like you said and they'll mow everyone of them down if the protesters start acting violently. Worse....the average Canadian will approve. We can't win by outfighting them. We have to outsmart them and by what I've seen and heard, they're not armed with an overabundance of brains.
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@biancawilloughby9980 I never allowed my 13 year old kids to drink or smoke or do drugs. Did that make me a tyrant? "It's my body, Dad. You have no right to stop me from doing crack". I never ONCE told you that you couldn't do what you wanted with your own body. However, I will tell you that it's a mistake and patently wrong to intentionally put foreign substances into your body when you're still a child and you haven't developed into an adult yet, both physically and mentally. You think that I'M MAD???? To make the argument, that you just made, like a petulant child, just shows how immature you actually are. If you want to go through gender processes when you're an adult(?), go ahead. You're an adult(?) and you have that right....but to say a 13 year old has the maturity to make that decision....THAT'S insane. Quit acting like a 13 year old....unless of course you're still an adolescent. Then you're saying exactly what I would expect a teenager to say.
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@kokoskokso Gawd.....you're something else. Quit making assumptions about people. He was asking questions and she'd answer. You're engaging in gossip, the realm of those with weak minds. Don't do it.
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Boris B Your reference to Feynman was an appeal to authority. He's a very high profile scientific figure and his opinions carry weight. It's not as if you used Joe Blow down at the hardware store. You went to a Nobel Prize physicist who gave an opinion, then you placed Peterson into the category that this physicist talked about. That's the very definition of an appeal to authority. "I've thought about this for many years, and, though it's very hard to explain, I really believe it's true" What's this? A professor is NEVER allowed to give an opinion? He even implies that it's an idea that he's formulated. "I really believe it's true." That's not declaring it as fact. That's admitting that it's only him that believes it to be true. He does use statistics but he uses them as they should be. He has used them to show how personality trends differ in men and women. For example, he talked about asking, about a random woman and random man, which of the two would be the more aggressive and if you picked the man, you'd be correct 60 percent of the time. Then he added that 40 percent of the time, you'd be wrong. Why? Because that aligns with the statistical data. He didn't definitely say that men are more aggressive, period and end of story. He said that an assertion could only be applied correctly, 60 percent of the time. He then uses it to say that it means that the outliers of aggressiveness would tend to be overwhelmingly male and says that the facts do bear this out, for example, the predominance of the male population in prison. Peterson has declared himself to be a nominal Christian but he doesn't use those Christian beliefs as absolutes in his lectures. He uses them to show religious archetypes and tries to show how archetypes are developed in literature and religion to reflect and explain how humans have developed emotionally. He uses Christianity the most because that's what he's most familiar with, but he also uses other religious idea in his attempt to understand human psychological development. He presents it in such a way that a belief in a specific religion is necessary to understand how religious thought was a big part of human evolution of cognitive thought. Religious beliefs are not necessary to understand his ideas of archetypes in religion and it's not an exact science because he does use the phrase "I've thought about it a long time" continuously in his lectures. Psychology is a work in progress at all times and those in the field are trying to grapple with things that are difficult to nail down. Peterson is grappling with the psychology of religion and morality. There are no "Eureka!!!" moments in these disciplines. No definitive test tube results. There are indicators, like the Miller-Urey experiments that show that certain processes in the formation of life CAN happen naturally. It may not be the correct process but it does show the possibility to be true. You still haven't shown me an example of his preaching. Just because he became emotional when remembered some of the horrific cases that he's dealt with from his clinical practice, doesn't mean he's a preacher. It could just mean that he's human and has typical human emotions. It's an assertion that you have no way of proving but you like it because you've decided that you don't like the guy. Understandable maybe, but not exactly a valid assertion. A real example of his preaching. I like Michael Shermer and his ideas, a lot, but you're not showing me how they apply to Peterson. You see, that's where an actual example of what you're claiming would come in. That's how you show that you have something that might indicate what you say has a least some merit. It may not eliminate ALL that he's said but then again, no one is correct 100 percent of the time. One incorrect idea doesn't NOT invalidate everything a person says. We'd have to dismiss every assertion made using that as a criteria. Even Einstein made mistakes and offered claims that proved to be incorrect.
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@viktorkc1154 You can't have socialism without authoritarianism. He may have believed in socialism but he didn't have the political experience to see that socialism will always end in tyranny. Stalin himself declared the Soviet Union as socialist and that it was an intermediary to a full communist state. Capitalism is defined as " an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state". Online dictionary. This will be verified by any other source that you could name. There is no way the Soviet Union's economy way held and controlled by the private sector. The economy was centrally planned and the goal was to abolish all private property. Socialism requires the co-operation of all. It is the rule of tyranny as every citizen is compelled to make sure no other citizen isn't taking advantage of the system. Capitalism allows the individual to make his own decision on his economic life and financial future. Socialism doesn't. This is Socialism as defined by the online dictionary. "a political and economic theory of social organisation which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole." The community being the state. No private sector. The community controls the economic system and is regulated by the state. An individual cannot build his own business or make decisions on how that business should grow. That is authoritarianism and it is the default position for socialism.
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Unfortunately, we'll not wake the students until the leftist teaching staff has been largely replaced. The universities have become the lair of the ideologue professor and they lay in wait for eager young minds to corrupt.
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@upcycle.outdoorsman9629 It's a subtle revelation into her belief system. She's revealing the mindset of cult of the collective. We this and we that instead I this or that. No personal responsibility at all. If she says something that's wrong, it's not just her, it's all of the "we". Comfort in numbers and hatred of the dissension of the individual. It's why she hasn't said anything of substance. It's all been sneering and mockery. Her thinks that her behaviour is unimportant because she supporting the collective.
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That's astounding. I had to discover these writers on my own as I'm not and never had been a university student. I actually thought that I was reading the things that I was missing because I never went to university. I assumed that's what you'd be talking about in those hallowed halls. Not as hallowed as I thought.
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@biancawilloughby9980 But would it have been the wisest decision to make? Could there no be consequences, to your physical health, when your body, acting in an evolutionary framework, is trying to do one thing and you're forcing it to do another by blocking its natural course? That's a question that has never been resolved. Whether you like it or not, all the advance creatures on the planet go through a maturation process. Cats, dogs, butterflies, mosquitoes, lobsters and humans all have an inherited process that guide their bodies through maturity. It's been there for millions upon millions of years. It's a basic part of life. Now you're going to change it all by trying to stop the process that has been embedded into our genetic make-up for tens of millions of years. We've been struggling with the affects of chemicals now, in our food and water and the very air we breathe. Now you want to inject MORE chemicals to change the very heart of your genetic blueprint. That sounds like an awful risky proposal to me. I would NEVER recommend it to a 13 year old. You can wish your life away if that's how you really want to spend the only life you have. That also seems like a waste of the only life that you'll ever have.
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@Jesus loves a Shovelhead And YOU don't seem to understand that this video isn't about drugs. YOU'RE changing the subject of the video and then using the change to, somehow, denigrate that substance of the video at hand. It's a logical fallacy that YOU can't seem to comprehend. When talking about chickens, you don't insist on referring to leprechauns. One has nothing to do with the other. Your attempts at character assassinations are irrelevant to the topic at hand. Get this simple concept. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DRUGS!!! THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JORDAN PETERSON AND DRUGS. YOU ARE. You're talking leprechauns when the discussion is chickens. Stick to the topic. Also, don't dismiss the topic by using a smear. It's the lowest form of debate. Also, whatever Peterson knew or didn't know, at the time, is irrelevant. He DOES know it now and has been outspoken about his experiences and how horrific it was. Quit living in the past. It's over. Talk about the Peterson of NOW....if that's possible for you. God....you must be a real hoot and inspiration at an AA meeting. You'd be continuously castigating the members for how stupid they are.
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Jay Blake Peterson has also talked about other Marxist regimes as well. Mao, Pol Pot, the Kim family, Castro....every Marxist regime that has ever existed has a history of killing of its own citizens as a tenet of that ideology. Wolff doesn't offer any defence of Marxism, he goes off an a tangent about Christianity, as if the fact that Christianity has problems that this is a negation of Marxist deep set faults. It wasn't just Stalin. Even Lenin thought that the intentional starvation of Russian citizens was justifiable if it brought about the true Marxist state. Wolff should defend Marxism, if possible, not start pointing fingers in every other direction. At best, it shows that Wolff isn't that much better than Peterson and true to his Marxist ideology he would offer up his derision of anyone having financial success.
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@OfLaSoul I've watched countless hours of Peterson's lectures and tours. I will say, with all certainty, that he supports the right to free speech, to protest and to be protected from police brutality. If you watched any amount of his talks or read his books, there would be no doubt. I can't speak for Rex but from what I've heard, in this talk, at his heart he believes the same. That doesn't mean that he'll always be correct. No one ever is but this is the biggest crisis, in Canada, since WW2. Nothing else compares.
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@JohnSmith-zo6ir There is one major difference. The German people allowed Hitler to seize and maintain power until the only option was for other countries to end it violently. The elites don't have complete power, yet and the people, those truckers and their allies, are standing up to them before their power is too strong to challenge. That's why this could be so crucial. Those truckers have to win the support of the majority of Canadians. They'll never do it with violence. The elites have to be the ones to react in fear and anger. Trudeau is showing how afraid he is by turning tail and he's not well liked as it is. If he overreacts and tries to clean the streets by force and the truckers become victims, the entire nation will be appalled. In fact, the calls for the military might backfire, if he resorts to that. If it does, they're defeated. If the military does come in, we've lost. The elites will be able to do as they wish. We can't stand up to the might of their weaponry. It's a fool's errand to try. That's why I say that we have to outsmart them and from what I've seen, that might not be that hard.
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@carlyellison8498 If you only would GIVE a viewpoint, I'd discuss it. All you've done is denigrate both Peterson and those who say that he's been a big help in their lives. You've not discussed one thing he's said in this video and offered a cogent point that would add to the discussion. Mockery and denigration is much of a viewpoint. It's elitism.
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@bigbubba4314 I live in a small town in Ontario. Even here, it's surprising how the people are gripped in fear of the Covid. It overrides all logic and common sense. They can't understand why they just don't get vaxxed. In their minds, it's so simple. Do what they government wants and everything will be fine. That's what we're fighting. I have a friend who will see the logic of my argument and then stubbornly cling to the narrative, anyway. It's frustrating as hell. That's how deep and insidious the propaganda has been. In spite of the fact that they all hate Trudeau, they'll still back him because of the science and some stereotype they've been fed of the white supremacist boogeyman from out west, or the north or somewhere. They're slowly coming around but not nearly fast enough. That's why the truckers have to play it smart. Any gains they have made in turning the hearts of Canadians would be lost in one stupid move.
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@tallwaters9708 I think what Peterson is saying is that those limits shouldn't exist. There are differences in what you're allowed to say from country to country and maybe that idea is completely wrong.
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@biancawilloughby9980 You have some wonderfully deep and well thought out arguments. You're really good at this....LOL. I'm triggered so that proves that 13 year olds should be allowed to take puberty blockers. I didn't know that I had that much power. You should take that argument to Congress.
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@biancawilloughby9980 It's good that society is more accepting of trans people. Don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem with giving puberty blockers to children. Puberty is already flooding them with natural chemicals and there's no way of knowing how those will affect a child, especially those who've just announced their dysphoria right of the blue. I grew up with a guy who's trans and we knew it from before he started school. I also grew up with tomboys who would now be pressured into making radical decisions because it's the new social affliction. Two of them are gay and a couple of others are married and appear to be quite happy as they are. My niece had a kidney transplant at 16. It was a life and death situation and it had to be done. There was nothing elective about it. She's now married and a mother of one. I've also had a surgery on a strangulated hernia. It had to done or I'd have died of gangrene of the intestines. Sometimes you have to place trust because the options are that or death. However, I've also a healthy scepticism of the medical profession and the money behind it. Not that I'm a conspiracy guy, no anti-vaxxer and such but I've already mentioned those that I've known that died from the opioids that doctors were handing out like candy. I also know someone who has born with a deformed arm due to her mother being prescribed Thalidomide. Trust is one thing. Blind trust is another.
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@OfLaSoul Another thing. I was never ONCE concerned about my bank account being spied on and possibly seized under Harper. Our rights were NEVER taken away through an emergency act placed by Harper. I might not agree with how he handled those protests but that's NOTHING to what Trudeau has just done. He's suspended the civil rights of ALL Canadians. ALL of us have lost our rights and then he lied about the swastikas and vilified all those who had strong doubts about the way the pandemic was being handled. You just aren't grasping the horrific reality of what Trudeau is doing. And worse, he's suspended Parliament. There's no debate over that emergency act. He just DID it. Why you're even bringing Harper is beyond me. The most tyrannical move in Canadian history and you're playing whataboutism.
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@carlyellison8498 I won't speak for him but I support common sense support for the law. If the laws are broken, including gun laws, do what must be done to the lawbreaker. Besides, there are a lot of gun control laws in place. It isn't complete chaos out there. I'm not a big fan of the NRA but I do support the 2nd Amendment. I know that this sounds counter intuitive to one that is all about the collective but life is about nuance, not rigid application of ideas and thought. Besides, what does this have to do with Jordan Peterson.
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@stuartdriedger Depends on what he means by the word "system". Did you read the book or are you responding to a description that you've read without ever digging deeper into what he's really meaning. If you see everything as political, then you'll see his rule as political. He may not be meaning "system" in the political sense, at all.
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When Professor Peterson was mentioning how you could anticipate the responses of the ideologically possessed, I thought of Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany. It explains why she finds it so easy to anticipate the questions of those reporters.
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@carlyellison8498 I'm going to add that if you claim that someone is a member of a cult, there's a strong implications that you believe that they're a mindless bot, without the ability to think for themselves. It's a harsh dismissal and a very elitist way to relate to people. Worse, you've negated their claim that Peterson may have helped them overcome life problems by saying that it's impossible as they're incapable of self reflection or a viewpoint unless spoon fed to them. That's an extremely harsh criticism and comes across as a sneering attitude. Not once have you expressed any hope or satisfaction in the idea that their lives may be better. You just attacked them. Not nice, considering that some of them might have been at horrifically hopeless stages in their life.
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@KevinHammond1 I don't get it. What symbolism and what does it mean. Enlighten us.
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@TheFaveteLinguis What you think doesn't matter. I met my ex-wife when she was 15. I was nineteen at the time. It didn't matter what she wore, men, and even some women, couldn't help but stare at her. She was always very sensible about it, though. We started dating when she was 17 and I was 21 and she told me then, that it really bothered her to be that noticeable when mentally she was ready for it. Fortunately, she worked her way through it without letting it affect her negatively, not so that you'd notice anyway. So don't be calling people liars, in a back handed way. You don't know that person and you have no right.
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@matthewcurry3565 LOL. Another one that has lots of denigrating things to say about the speaker yet never bothers to engage on the topics that the speaker is talking about.
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Jay Blake Apparently, you've not heard of the great famine of 1921, one of the worst disasters of the 20th century. https://alphahistory.com/russianrevolution/great-famine-of-1921/ http://www.ukrweekly.com/old/archive/1988/458814.shtml I may not know much about Russian history but, at least I know about that. Marxist thought took on many forms and interpretations. Pol Pot based his ideas on those of Communism, the ideology that sprang from Marxism. He joined the French Communist Party while he was studying in Paris and became the Communist Party secretary when he returned to Cambodia. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Pol-Pot https://www.history.com/topics/cold-war/pol-pot All you're doing is dissecting all Socialist thought and then attempting to claim only one TRUE Marxist ideology from all the many ways that people have interpreted his work. It's all based on his work and variations of Marxist thought.
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Be strong. You can and will get through this. I'm going to guess that you'll find out just how tough you really are before this is all done. All the best to you.
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@carlyellison8498 All viewpoints are equally valid for discussion, that doesn't mean that they are equally true. Also, it isn't about arguing a point it's about considering facts and assessing them. When a viewpoint remains rigid, in spite of the facts, that's when arguments ensue. What you've just done is assert that all viewpoints are valid and then sneeringly dismissed any viewpoint that you don't like. That's contradictory. Either a person's viewpoint is valid and doesn't deserve mockery or criticism or it isn't. You can't have it both ways. Also, I have read both Solzhenitsyn and Dostoevsky but not very much of Nietzsche. What I've read of the former 2 has been enlightening and adds to the things that I've read and learned and Peterson has read them as well and uses the material in his lectures all the time. We all have our own perspectives on what they wrote. It's not about conclusions that should never be challenged. Their work should raise questions, encourage discussions and offer differences of viewpoints and experience. One should never use any work as an absolute truth.
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@biancawilloughby9980 Then explain to me the sudden rash of young girls who want to go through the transformative treatments. This is unprecedented, especially when gender dysphoria has been a male dominated issue throughout history. You paint a rosy picture of the medical field when handling the dysphoria issues. However, I know lots of people that suffered and are now either dead or going through pure hell because of the opioids prescribed by medical professionals. I'm not that enamoured by the medical profession as to trust them to effect such drastic measures, especially when it can be ideologically or culturally driven, like it is quite often these days. This isn't something that should EVER be decided by a 13 year old and done on their say so. Those blockers could have serious consequences on a person's future both on their physical and emotional health.
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@mr.x5495 I just said that the dysphoria wave has strong cultural forces behind it. The term "social contagion" would describe it. Other social contagions, in history are the anorexia explosion, the sex abuse scandals in pre-school, the cutting outbreak among teenagers....even Beatlemania can be described as a social contagion. It's a cultural mania that affects those who are going through emotional upheaval and puberty is a time when it's extremely common. I'm not here to get into a religious argument.
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@scribbler60 "Thou shalt not commit adultery" The Ten Commandments. “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea." Matthew 18:6 That's a direct admonishment to anyone, in the church or outside of it, to not hurt a child, especially a child who a part of the Church of Jesus. That's a part of the Christian faith. I'm NOT a Christian so don't start with the Christian slurs. It would be irrelevant.
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@CANADIAN REBEL Even if you do that, there's no infrastructure, no strong chain of command, no weapons and no money. They control the banks, the communications, transportation, the industrial complex, everything needed for any kind of conflict. At best, they'll be a guerilla militia, forever in hiding and being betrayed by a Canadian public who don't want a civil war and who just want to live in peace. The protesters are in no position to even consider that kind of confrontation. Which leaves us with one option. We have to be smarter than them. We have to expose the foolishness of their propaganda. We have to show their thirst for power for what it is. We have to force them to be the fascists that they are because, deep down, most Canadians don't trust them. We have to show the Canadian people that their mistrust is valid. They can easily defeat that small crowd in Ottawa if that crowd wants to fight. They can't defeat the majority of Canadians, who may not want to fight, but will if the government oversteps their bounds. That's how we defeat them. We expose them. It's the only way.
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@viktorkc1154 He supported democratic socialism and at the time there was no real example on how that would actually fare if applied. What history has shown is that if the economy is controlled by the state in a democracy, political candidates will use the revenue garnered by the state run enterprises as a carrot to get votes. Businesses need that revenue to maintain equipment, train employees, invest in research and innovation. Without it, they stagnate and the economy runs into difficulty and eventually the state will be forced into tyranny in their attempt to stop the bleeding or their economy. No true socialist state has avoided it and when reading Orwell, the signs that this is inevitable are all there and that's how Peterson came to his conclusions on Socialism. Orwell showed him, inadvertently, that it couldn't work. Orwell said he was a democratic socialist but his books told a different story. In fact, he was a great supporter of British traditions and those traditions don't reflect socialism, either. Yes....the owner or CEO of a company can move his business elsewhere and dismiss his employees if he chooses. It's his company. It's my choice, as an individual to work for him and I can leave if I want, as well. That's freedom of the economy. If I force him to hire me and tell him that he can never fire me, I'm placing my authority over his. The owner of a business's first priority is to the survival of his business. If he doesn't do that, he's given up his responsibility to the company, his buyers, suppliers and his employees. If I build a better mousetrap, I have every right to profit from that mousetrap. It was my idea, my effort, my money and my risk to go into business. Any employee I hire, doesn't take the risks that I did and he has no right to the things that I purchased with my money in order to produce my product. There is no way that anyone would allow a person to walk in off the street and then claim that property as his own and that the owner is now subservient to him. That's theft and if you'd ever owned a business, you'd see that right away. What entrepreneur, in his right mind, would ever start a business under those conditions. A healthy economy depends on the freedom of it's entrepreneurs to have full autonomy of their own enterprise. If not, I might as well walk into your house right now and take what I want. You've just claimed that ownership is irrelevant and you have no right to ownership of anything. That takes us to the authority of the law. That's NOT authoritarianism. That's a societal agreement that we will abide by certain rules and laws which are limited by a Constitution which specifically lay out the rights of all citizens as individual, autonomous beings. You either stop me from taking your stuff, by force or authority, or we devise a civilised way to handle it through a system of laws and protection. The rule of anarchy will only result in the rule of the guy with the biggest fist, club or gun. It's still authority driven but rather uncivilised.
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@colorin81colorado He's a troll. He's not going to respond to anything you say.
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@bhok1971 They're going to try a Great Reset. Doesn't mean that they will be successful. You may be ready to roll over and accept it, in your life, but I'm not. I'll still live my life in the way that I always have which is that I'll never stop trying to become the best version of me possible. No "Great Reset" can change that.
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@Jesus loves a Shovelhead And now you're doing it again. Another attempt at a smear using a logical fallacy. The fallacy from authority. Since I don't know anything, YOUR assumption, about addictions, etc, I have no business talking about the content of this video. That's now twice that you've tried to use that fallacy and you're either not bright enough to see it or bright enough to argue any other way. You've yet to explain how Jordan's recent problems have ANYTHING to do with what Fry and Peterson are discussing. I have a strong suspicion that I know the reason why. You haven't watched this video. You don't have a clue what this video is about. You're here to smear Peterson....that's it. That's one mighty high calling. LOL. I mean that in the most sarcastic way possible.
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@jedw9983 It shows you what you know about Canada and our relationship to the queen. We have a Charter of Rights that supersedes any power that the queen has over us. That means that we are an independent nation that maintains strong ties to Britain. The power of the Charter of Rights has been affirmed and signed by the queen, herself. You are living in the past.
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@matthewcurry3565 You did? All I read was personal attacks on him and those who appreciate his work. If I didn't know his stuff, I'd never know a thing about anything that he's ever said except maybe the "clean your room" crack that you made. When I suggested to discuss his work, I didn't mean to call us hypnotised zombies. How could I respond to that except like a 5 year old. "I am not!!!". But since you brought it up, what do you think he means when he suggest that one should "clean their room". I'm not asking you to agree with him, I want to know if you understand his point. Once you understand his point THEN you show us how wrong he is, if indeed there is a problem with what he's saying.
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@matthewcurry3565 I've read everyone of your comments on this thread. You've never referred to any specific thing that he's ever said. You've made denigrating remarks about it but that's no different than me calling you a dummy. It says nothing except that I'm kind of an arrogant SOB. If you really can't understand what I'm talking about, you're not NEAR the intellectual that you think you are. Just a simple question about what you think he meant by "clean your room" goes unanswered. Why is that? Don't you know what he means? It's easy to say that it's a silly comment but that doesn't tell me that you understand it. If I answered this question, on a high school test, the way that you did, I'd get a big fat ZERO. Actually talk about the idea, not about what you think of Peterson.
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@steven5054 You're the typical comment troll in Peterson videos. Nothing but sneering insults.
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@margueritezoe "how on earth are they supposed to induce people into their cult of collectivism and group think?" They can't. It's an excellent point. The Marxist mindset is one of collective thinking and all their doing quibbling about which type of interpretation of Marxism is the true Marxism. Pol Pot was a Marxist. His view on Marxism was one of Agrarian Socialism but it's an offshoot of Marxist thinking. It's how they lend confusion into an argument and keep deflecting away from their commitment to group think.
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danimalcollective1 I was a teenager during the Vietnam era. Although I'm Canadian, I spent a bit of time in the US, in 1970-2. It was quite the time. Everyone should have had a class like that. I have a friend who grew up in China during the Mao era. She told me things about that life that would make you sit in sheer dread. Multiple times Party officials would show up at school and take all the kids to a type of arena to witness public executions. She was around 9 or 10 years old. There were party officials watching the kids to make sure they didn't turn their heads or close their eyes. She told me she learned to look right through it so she wouldn't have to see it. Apparently, that never stopped the nightmares, though. We are so lucky, here in North America, and I'm afraid that we're going to throw it all away. I see my grandkids and I worry for them. I can only hope that this new fascination with socialism runs its course and goes away.
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@Arafath Islam Passionately destructive, violent and hateful. They embody every element of the Satanic psyche. When your passion is to destroy, you lead an army of minions from hell....figuratively speaking. You accomplish nothing but desolation and misery. Not a passion that I would encourage or laud.
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Jorge Briln When you make things about skin colour, you lose sight of the message. Worse, it compounds resentment which leads to retribution. Discuss ideas not immutable characteristics.
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@Sylvana Baptista You just watched this young woman tell of the horrifying life that North Koreans face and you still can't feel any gratitude for how good you have it. You're still filled with a gender envy. As for the "every" word that you find objectionable, I'm going to say that EVERY person, in the west, should hear this young woman....including YOU. More than just hear her, you should LISTEN and learn. But you won't. You'll still wallow in the group identitarianism that Yeonmi talked about that was at the genesis of the rot of North Korean life. I'm guilty because of the original sin of being born a man and I'd better acknowledge that. Conversely...you can't be guilty because of the group identity. What an horrific ideology. Maybe you should watch this video instead of just going to the comment section.
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@matthewcurry3565 Ok. Here it goes 30 years ago, I found out my wife was having an affair. It devastated me and I left her for obvious reasons. 7 months later, my son was killed in an accident and my mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer 2 months later. I was a mess. I quit working, drank too much and was heading down a terrible road. After 3 years, I started a job at a scrap yard, which may seem like something but it wasn't that big a deal at the time. In reality, it was a place to go and drink. There was beer in the fridge at all times and if I took a day or week off, no big deal. They weren't going to fire me and they said so. I even got paid for days I took off. However, I slowly started to go to work when I was there. I got out of the office and started to do things that had to be done, much to the chagrin of my alcoholic boss. It was then that the yard was sold and things changed. I started to do the work that I was expected and supposed to do. It fell right into the pattern that I'd been slowly immersing myself into. They fired everyone, except me, and I worked alone for 2 years, rebuilding a clientele that had been lost when the old owner had it. It was a long struggle, a lot of days, in the beginning, where I never saw a soul, but it was the best thing in the world for me. I was showing up every day. I stayed later when needed. I was metaphorically cleaning my room. The drinking slowed down. I was finding peace in my life and all it took was doing the things that I should be doing. When I heard him explain his "Clean your room" trope, it spoke to me. I was lucky, though. I came from a farming background where the virtues of hard work were extolled as a virtue. It was something that I had been accustomed to. However, if a person had grown up in suburbia and the toughest thing that they did growing up was take out the garbage once a week, that idea would never occur to them, UNLESS it was outlined by someone who had the power to communicate ideas in a powerful manner and Peterson is just that. A lot of young people would never have worked their way out of severe depression because they'd have never, metaphorically cleaned their room. I reconnected with my daughter, have 3 wonderful grandchildren. I have a closer relationship with my ageing father than what I've ever had my entire life. Things aren't perfect, that's a life's impossibility but I'm contented. All it took was for me to take care of business, slowly at first, just like his "clean your room" suggested but I made my life worth living. That translated into making things better for those around me. It's small. It's simple. It's trite but it's real.
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Binnaz Husain I'm afraid you'll have to figure that out for yourself. You won't have to learn to be petty and judgemental, though. You definitely won't have to learn about being morally superior. You've got that down pat.
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"No.....I'm stupid" If only more of us would be willing to say that. "I'm not bright enough to infer your meaning. Please, explain further about your meaning". It not only shows that you care what the other person thinks but that you really want to understand.
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@NMemone Thanks for that. It just didn't make sense that Peterson would be into the things that this guy claimed he was. Your explanation falls within the range of things that Peterson talks about all the time. Good work.
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john ramsey This where academics have taken us but it was a choice made by those academics. It isn't the logical path that academics must take. One must choose to take that path. It was the left wing academic that decided to manipulate higher learning into becoming what it is today. They were the ones that actively recruited and indoctrinated instead of spreading knowledge, while the true academic lived in his specific bubble of study oblivious to what the new left academic was doing....the false academic. This is partially, due to the naive belief that those who would advance that far, would have as the primary goal to advance knowledge and scholarship and not dogma. The false academics kept increasing their numbers by only valuing those that were of a singular ideology and the true academics were disappearing through attrition. This attrition would accelerate until it reached the point it's in now and we're seeing the end result of the loss or the true academic to the dogmatic academic. Dogmatism leads to static thinking which is a nice way of saying no thinking at all. Peterson embodies what's left of the true academic in how he uses the discipline of his specialty to examine the motives of these new humanities academics and it's not pretty.
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It's sickening, isn't it.
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@ALCRAN2010 By that logic, we should all stay out of politics. He saw a problem with a piece of legislation and he did what EVERY citizen of Canada has a right to do. Assess it, talk about it and criticise it. If he "should" stay out of politics, refrain from ever commenting on it, then so should the rest of us. It's not what our country is about.
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@Sylvana Baptista So you really think that Peterson doesn't realise that Yeonmi was raped. Of course he does but he was in a conversation with the victim and he wasn't just going to throw the word "rape" in her face. Also, I've read the book and the relationship WAS complex....oppressive yes, but she also felt gratitude for what the guy did for her. Her feelings, about the matter, was complex and Peterson wasn't going to beat her over the head with it. He'll leave that up to the cold and angry people.....like you seem to be. Of course men need sex. So do women. It's a prime directive. Without it, we don't exist. We've tried to control, what we see as the negative aspects of sex, through marriage and taboos against adultery, promiscuity and encouraging the formation of relationships based on love, respect and charity. We try but we're not always successful. And it is a basic animal instinct. It is at the heart of the survival of every animal species that we know and it can prove to manifest itself quite harshly in a lot of the species around us and INCLUDING us. Yeonmi lived a harsh reality and did what she must to survive and she often made the choice to do it. Peterson didn't want to shame her. Why would YOU?
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@Joshua-gt7pz Do you know what? Who cares. I don't live the life of the wealthy. I live my life. If I spend all my time looking at everyone else's pile, then I'm not attending to what I have. That's all that matters. What I can do. I don't need to be rich to be able to say that I've accomplished things or that my lack of money is a roadblock to getting ahead. There are millionaires who are addicts, have emotional problems even end their lives in despair. I wouldn't WANT their lives. Live your own life to the best of your ability and pursue your own path to happiness and remember, it's NOT the destination but the journey that brings satisfaction.
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@chileanwey If South American culture is keeping Venezuela down, then that culture has to change in order for them to grow, both economically and culturally. Why would you want them to stay down? You're dooming them to poverty and the loss of freedom and human dignity.
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"The fool is the precursor to the master" Somebody should have told my dad that. LOL.
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@66dragonfly66 I'm imagining. Tens of millions of scabs. Some sent to concentration camps where they starved to death. Others, that were slowly starved, some to the point of cannibalism. Ritually beaten, in rites of public flagellation. Oh....wait. That was in the Soviet Union and Red China. Never mind. I confused labour disputes with Holodomor and the Cultural Revolution. My bad.
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@bigbubba4314 That is an option and it may work. As long as the store shelves aren't empty and the public blames the truck drivers. If the public, the majority of Canadians blame the truckers, they'll lose. We'll lose. This is a game of chess. The side that makes the right moves will win and it's all psychological. The one who starts the violence will stand the greatest chance of losing. It's all about perception, how each side presents itself. Propaganda is everything and so far, we've been losing. This is our chance to turn it around. If we misstep, they'll use it as proof that they were right about us all along and the people will buy it. The fact that we were so easily cowed into 2 years of lockdowns and mandates is strong evidence of that.
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I read the book "The Cowshed Memories" by Ji Xianlin recently. It recounted his memories of the Cultural Revolution, as a professor, in Beijing. In it he described how his colleagues and students, who he thought were his friends and had always had a good rapport with, were the most vengeful when it came to the struggle sessions. Those sessions were simply daily public torture events by mobs of students and teachers that lasted for years. You never know just who will be taken in by ideological fervour and who won't be. We're confronting some frightening prospects in our nation. I hope it doesn't go the way that it seems to be going.
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@standin4life I have to repeat this. Don't be ashamed of it. Be GRATEFUL. The lack of gratitude is a major reason for the political chaos we have in this country. When you have a warm and dry home, lots of food in the fridge and cupboard....WHEN YOU HAVE A FRIDGE...and you still have no gratitude, you'll find yourself consumed with envy and resentment. It's that resentment that is causing the division in our country. Be grateful for every meal, for your life. That's how you do honour to those who don't have it.
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@matthewcurry3565 That's what I've been trying to do. I've even offered to talk about the one thing that you did bring up. "Clean your room" as a first step to bringing order in your life. You asked if he has helped me. Not really but he allowed me to understand how I, inadvertently, worked my own way out of personal quagmire and it reflects on his "Clean you room" statement. It's a long read and I'll only relate it if you're interested. It's not book size but a couple of long paragraphs. If you're not interested in a real life testimony, fine.....although I can't see why. Learning is about listening, even to things that you don't like.
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@matthewcurry3565 My point is that I was lucky. Not because of my internal strength and perseverance but because I grew up in a background where that was expected of a person. I lost my way but that background gave me the foundation to help me out of the mess that I was in. A lot of people don't have that background. They never grew up having to work, all day on a farm when only 13 or 14 years old. They never get the chance to even consider the idea that going to work would be the best thing for them. Work is an obligation that one does to pay the rent and eat. They don't see it as a way to improving mental health. That's where Peterson comes in. He tells them to do what I did but he does it in their world. The only world that they've ever known and for the depressed, that is their room. So it's real and it's metaphor. Start small. Fix the little things like your messy room. Then work your way out from there. Just because I did it, that doesn't mean that other can or will. Their situation is going to be different than mine. Sometimes a person needs that push that Peterson can give them. If they use that push and build on it, they can help themselves immensely. It's better than no push at all.
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@seanaaron94 What amazes me is how people don't see that. You've simplified it a lot but it's what's at the very heart of the problem with socialism. What's disturbing is how people don't understand what socialism actually is. Free health care isn't socialism. Nationalisation and government control of business, that's socialism and it leads to tyranny, EVERY time. The US is facing the biggest internal threat to its existence since the Civil war.
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@colorin81colorado I do the same but I've no idea how many people I've reached. My comment to you was more a dig at the troll but it was also, in case you weren't aware, that you're likely dealing with a troll. I'm glad to hear that you did know and that you use your responses to point out to others how pointless their comments are. Good work.
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@BoloBouncer This was NOT a court decision. This is a provincially sanctioned governing body that does NOT decide on matters of law. That't what makes this so terrible. These are unelected government officials, deciding to take away a person's right to free speech which is guaranteed by The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Peterson now has to take this to court and if the Provincial court goes against him, he can still take it to the Canadian Supreme Court which must make a ruling based on the Charter of Rights. If he fails there, then we may as well throw that Charter out with the trash. It will be meaningless.
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@moomoocowsly It's his right to express himself any way that he likes. It has nothing to do with how he says it or how many people dislike it. It's his right and is guaranteed in The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. This isn't about whether the majority likes it or not. It's about the freedom to say what one likes without interference from the state or state sanctioned bureaucratic bodies.
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@humptyslick So....we're all in a cult? Like the one who sees cultism in a clear and concise manner? It's like we're not in control of our thoughts.
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Gabo LongQua "Whether you believe in the Christ or not". I'm not sure how you can't follow this simple statement. He says that you don't have to believe in God. He is using it as a metaphor in how you deal with the ordinary adversity in life. You're stuck on the use of a Christian God to make a point and it seems that it renders any ideas derived from it invalid, even if it's used as a metaphor.
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@GarryMartin-nw4zh YOU made the claim that he's making stories about people. I asked for an example. You said no one believes me. WHAT? That doesn't even make sense. You gotta be a troll. Only a troll could be that ridiculous.
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@Jesus loves a Shovelhead So what's the point of being here. You haven't watched the video. You have no idea what it's about or care to know. All you're here to do is to bad mouth a man who has made a terrible error in judgement and who has said, MULTIPLE times that this was the WORST time of his life and is eternally grateful for the support of his family, especially his daughter and his critically ill wife, who's suffering from cancer. You've no soul...no heart or empathy. You're ruled by hate and disdain, a person with a deep rot at your core. You don't care that he's recovering, that he's spoke about his ordeal and how dangerous that this drug is....and now knows better than anyone. You want to shut down the man, whose influence could prevent others from going down the same path that he did. What a great strategy. Quit revelling in the pain and suffering of others and quit using it to bolster your own ego. It's a cheap and insidious way to build your own self esteem.
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danimalcollective1 That would have been a great class.
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Maybe until each one of us realise just how flawed we are as individuals. It's gonna be a few more decades, is my guess. I know that I won't see it in my lifetime.
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@tomjeff1743 I've read a lot of those books. Lately, I've read "In Order to Live" by Yeonmi Park and "The Cowshed Memories" by Ji Xianlin. These chronicle the lives of ordinary people in Marxist China and North Korea. Horrific stuff. I've come to another conclusion about China. They're no longer communist. It's as if they've concluded that the way to success as a socialist, is to adopt National Socialism...otherwise known as Fascism. China, as it stands as a political entity today, is as close as it gets to Nazi Germany, Mussolini's Italy or Franco's Spain. A lot of people, Marxists mainly, get quite upset with this conclusion but they've not shown me anything that has dissuaded me from holding onto that idea.
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@bigbubba4314 Thanks man. To me, Florida sets an example of what I'd like to see happen here. Continued success to your state, as well.
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@JR.M.S That door may only be opened upon entering the Kingdom of God. Just because you've faith, that doesn't mean that the search for truth is over. In some ways it's only begun and it ends when God finally grants you entry into his Kingdom when you are truly transformed. As long as you're on earth, you're still as big a sinner as you ever were and the real truth will always be elusive. What you have done is accept that God will help you to that Kingdom of Truth when you pass on. Jordan is still looking to make himself a better person on earth, a truth that God still expects from you as long as you live.
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@CrankyCatGuy Yet, I'm still a man of sin and I'm far from knowing everything. No living person is worthy of the Kingdom of Heaven. This is what Jesus said when he was asked who was worthy. If I'm not worthy, I'm not going to assume that I'm getting there because I've made a declaration of my beliefs. I'm going to live each day in the hopes of being a better person than I was yesterday. Sitting on my laurels because of a belief that I've achieved the Kingdom is the height of arrogance. I still have work to do because I'm still no better than anyone else.
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Sacrifice is the key. You can have a good life, filled with meaning but you have to be willing to work, accept setbacks and be able to deal with tragedies because tragedy will come. It's not easy but when you're ready for the challenge it's won't be that hard, either.
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@RespectfullyReal I'm saying that it's understandable that he comes off as a creep. First, he's abused and then no one believes him when he talks about it. Most sexually abused kids grow up to be extremely troubled adults. There are countless numbers of celebrity children who've grown up to be that way. I'm saying that maybe we should cut him some slack and show some understanding. If he breaks the law, that's one thing but odd behaviour, that's not illegal and we shouldn't judge others on what we haven't lived through.
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@angelolacap9681 Do you know what, Angelo? You get it. If only more people looked at life the way that you do. Best wishes to you.
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@Michael Imad Marxism is an idea. All you have to do is read his material and find out what it is. Then you study the actions and rhetoric of those who follow the Marxist creed. That'll tell you everything that you need to know about Marxists.
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NO....he's hates ideologues. He's said so many times. McCarthyists are definite ideologues. I don't like Marxism or Communism either, but I strongly disapprove of McCarthyism. He's a strong proponent of individualism and how the individual is unique and should take responsibility for his own well being before he tries to fix the world. McCarthyism is an ideology that tried to fix the world by making wild accusations, not anywhere close to what Peterson would advocate. Try and listen, carefully to some of his lectures and put aside your ideological thinking while listening. You don't have to agree with the things he says but at least have the integrity to present them as he believes it and not as you interpret it.
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@motoxray There is no such thing as a Nirvana. Not in this universe, anyway. Nothing is perfect and every system is due to failure as it inevitably leads to stagnation, tyranny and failure. This idea that capitalism is harmful to the average person just isn't true. Every TRUE capitalist state that is based on the rule of law has the most affluent citizens on the planet. The US, Canada, western Europe, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand.....these are the countries that the people of 3rd world, and even developing countries, aspire to migrate to. There has NEVER been a more affluent average citizen in the history of the humanity, than those who live in those Capitalist countries. NEVER. These are the countries that practise a capitalist economy and have strong social programs. That doesn't make them socialist. Social programs are the result of a strong economy and the revenue gathered through tax programs pay for health, education, the military and police protection, transportation and safety nets for the more vulnerable of the citizens. It is an expense of human survival and the more wealth that a nation accrues as a whole, the better the social programs. It's why I, as a retired person and living below the poverty line, as set for my Capitalist country, has still been able to travel to the Dominican Republic, Mexico, the Netherlands and am planning a trip to Costa Rica in a couple of months over the last 2 years and still have more money in the bank than I did 2 years ago. All the countries that I've mentioned all have economies that are overwhelmingly driven through market forces and the private sector. It's why these countries are the primary destinations for migrants and asylum seekers. Hardly any other country has huge issues with people trying to enter legally and illegally...especially 3rd world countries. All of their governments are corrupt and led by tyrannical leaders who keep power by enforcement of the military. The people there live a dystopian life, deep in REAL poverty, where the basics of life, food, clean water and shelter are basic struggle to find every day. That isn't capitalism.
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@RedFeather36 Beautifully said.
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@T-aka-T His statement only pointed out the hypocrisy of the western "woke" student. They think that they're oppressed and denounce the system that they believe depresses them on a $600 IPhone. That's what cheapens this interview. That phone is worth more than what an average North Korean makes in almost 2 years. The latte that they're sipping on, while making their denouncement, would feed a North Korean family for almost a week. You're cheapening this interview and the plight of the North Koreans by your inane remark.
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@marihutten It's there to be seen. I seen it. Why didn't they? It's because they don't want to see it. Canadian tourists know to bring ordinary household goods because they're not available in Cuba. Simple things like chocolate bars, toy cars and dolls, makeup will be met with gratitude because all those things aren't in any of the Cuban stores. Every Canadian tourist knows that. They just don't want to admit why it's so or they blame the United States, a ridiculous claim.
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Jorge Briln Yes...you're correct but MAN....are you wrong. You've completely missed the point and then turned it into something malevolent and disguised it with a snicker.
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@evansmith2766 What it does is allow the person, that has personal problems, a way to avoid confronting them. It directs the solution away from solving their own addictions, depressions and doubts and foisting them onto something that is WAY beyond their control. This can only exacerbate the issues that are actually troubling them. Viktor Frankl didn't survive the Nazi camps by pursuing systemic change. Given his situation, that would have been an impossible endeavour. He did it by pursuing change within himself. Shame can be a big part of that. There is shame in being an addict, homeless and locked in a static state of oppression. There's no escaping it. I know that for a fact. As long as the world was in a hopeless state, in my mind, I was in a hopeless state and I was ashamed of who I was and what I was doing. I had to look inside, find what was worthwhile and coddle it back into something that I could use. Incredibly, it made things better and strangely enough, the world got better as well. At least it made it better to deal with in a more pragmatic and personal level. That made things so much better for those around me. You don't fix the system. You fix yourself and the system changes when enough of us manage to fix ourselves.
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@GarryMartin-nw4zh Give us an example. Making a claim isn't proof of that claim. Prove it by giving us an example.
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@GarryMartin-nw4zh So, you don't have any examples. Thought as much.
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@dherman0001 There's a couple of really weird ones, like the Westboro Baptist church, but they're pariahs in the Christian community. I'd say that Islamist extremist FAR outnumber any other demographic. I'd say that you're probably correct.
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@dherman0001 I was just covering the entire gamut of religious groups. They call themselves Christian but I called them Pariahs within the Christian community. That kind of isolates them from Christianity right there.
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@Ashamedofmypast "an adequate explanation"? Maybe more time in the re-education camp will fix that....right?????
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@TAGGdinc He's barely drew his foot out of the grave and you want to put a sword in his hand. Besides, his message implies that you have to fight the scourge of identity politics. That has never changed. His basic philosophy, or message, is still the same quest for truth. If you believe in that search for truth, you have no choice but to reject the identity politics movement.
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@mitch_the_-itch I'd rather be a cat than a sheep. Herd me and I might scratch you. Us cats may not agree on everything but we all want to preserve our freedom to be cats. On that we all agree. Herding is for tyrants. Sheep respond well to tyrants. Cats don't.
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@helvetewinter68666 We've just found the devil. "It's THEM!!!! THEM'S THE PROBLEM". Get thee behind me Satan.....or is it Adolf.
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@Salamanda Wilde Another person that doesn't understand the moral of the story of the Garden of Eden. Others are evil, in your mind, and you're going to point out exactly who those evil doers are. Nice to finally meet that perfect human being. (high brow sarcasm)
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@NickKautz That's exactly it. There were 2 factions in the crowd. One faction would cheer when Peterson made some good intellectual points. The other faction cheered whenever he mentioned the violent and destructive nature of Marxism, demonstrating their approval of that violence.
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@TOUGHEYES I'm hoping that you understand that I was speaking metaphorically and it seems that you do. I'm going to add that this embracing of the Satanic self is generally a conscious choice, a surrender to the devil on the left shoulder. Why one would do that is another puzzle. It may have an obvious answer but since I'm not given to violence and destruction, it's not obvious to me.
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@danquarterman Before you do the "Hitler" trope, watch this video. It's titled...."How Hitler was Even More Evil Than You Think - Prof. Jordan Peterson" Another video is Peterson's take on the book "Ordinary Men", about how ordinary people became Nazi executioners. He explains how easy it is for ordinary guys....like you and me.....can be sucked into horrifically evil acts and believe that they're doing good. You're, not so subtle, comparison to Hitler doesn't stand. Not even a little bit. I don't smear people to make a point. I talk on the merits of a specific thing that he's said. There's an old adage that goes... “Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.” Don't be small minded.
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I sincerely hope that can find a viable solution. There is a move, from somewhere, to de-platform all those who support free speech and individual thought. They're dragging us down and confining us in their chains and it can't be allowed to continue. Good luck to all of you.
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@Individual_Lives_Matter LOL. Some people can't tell the difference between courage and foolhardiness.
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@warbwashington5626 Isn't it great to make fun of a person with addiction problems? Why don't you go down to the nearest homeless shelter and make fun of those unfortunate people? Nothing more satisfying that kicking someone when he's down, is there? I know. You'll have all kinds of reasons why it's a good thing to rag on them but they're only virtuous reasons in your eyes. Most of us feel that it's cruel and condescending.
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@marvin60000 Because everything he says is about the struggles of life. How tough life is and now you're telling me that he has to be mountains ahead of us to be one of us. That's ridiculous. He has to be one of us to understand what it is to be one of us. That means that he's going to fall to the same frailties that we ALL have to live through. That's where wisdom comes from. Not from the "life is perfect" idiom that the superior brain comes from. It's from one who has spent a lifetime trying to understand the complexities and the pain of life. If you can't get that....you're not thinking. I've spent a lifetime wrestling with the things he's talking about. There's no answers to it that will satisfy. It's a journey of understanding. I'll never get it all. I'm surprised that anyone.....yourself included, you thinks that they know it all.
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@marvin60000 Always assume that they person that you talk to knows something that you don't. That includes everyone. Also, assume that everyone can be wrong at any given moment on any given subject. THAT includes everyone. You learn, not just from someone's or your own successes. You learn, as much or more, from the mistakes that you and others make over a lifetime. If you'll only take advice from those who've never erred in their entire life, you'll not take advice from anyone because that person does NOT exist.....anywhere. You've just dismissed the entire human race. Another thing that Peterson has taught you is that the smartest of people, like Peterson (you've said that he was) can screw up, then anyone can and will screw up. Also, you now know, from Peterson's experience, which he's been quite open about, that if a doctor ever prescribes that drug for you, DO NOT TAKE IT. That would be Peterson's advice and I know that you'd take that piece of advice, gladly. So, in a way, you've contradicted yourself.
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Just because one is afraid certain ideas are dangerous, that doesn't mean they should be completely ignored. When I was a teen, I wanted to understand Nazism and how people could willingly follow those ideas. My first step was to read "Mein Kampf". I went right to the source. To understand it, I had to know it. If I'm to fight it, I have to know it well enough to recognise it in others and myself. Know thine enemy. It is the admonition of Sun Tzu. To defeat the enemy, one has to know the enemy. It's how I tackled Marxism as well. Not saying all concepts are the enemy but if I'm to know evil, I have to study evil because if I don't, I'll never recognise that potential in me. That is the big arrogance that I see on college campuses, today. So many are convinced of the evil in others but conversely believe that they are nothing but good and would never do the evil of others. That's when things become dangerous. Knowledge and education have utility when used as a mirror to reflect our inner selves. It loses that utility when it is used to judge others and you become the arbiter of right and wrong. What it will cause is the scourge of cognitive bias, seeing only what puts the self in a good light. That is infinitely more dangerous than what Peterson is doing.
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@robertholland7558 Speaking in religious terms, specifically Christianity, we are ALL God's children. This is fundamental to that faith. You said that we're all part of the human race. It's the same expression. Also, some like to call it God. You call it Mother Nature. Same concept, different viewpoint. You want to be compassionate, Christians say to "love they neighbour as thyself". I think that it's the same message, just told in different terms. Both said with the arrogance, that us limited humans like to exhibit, that compels us to think that we're the ones that have the correct message. It's not a contest to who's doing the right thing.
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When you cheer for violence and destruction, you might be the bad guy.
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Jordan Peterson has helped more people than the entire college of psychiatrists combined. I would think that this alone would irk some of them to the point of going after him. Envy is a powerful drug.
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@JoyElectric567 Yet, those who hate him the most, the far left, will continue to support a party that does nothing to help the most vulnerable in their cities. Horrific schools, poverty, homelessness and crime, substance addictions....all in major cities, almost all governed by the "party of compassion". I could understand it if the "party of capitalism" or the "party of greed" were in control but they're not. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. There's a reason for that saying. Maybe if we encouraged people to better themselves, as individuals living in a broader community, we wouldn't have the problems that we have today. You're no good to others if you can't be good for yourself.
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That's something that I asked myself when I was much younger. I still don't have the answer to that question partially because I'd like to think myself better than that. I do have an ego. lol. I engaged others with that question except I would ask them if they were adolescent boys in 1935 Germany, would they willingly and proudly join the Hitler Youth. I'm saying that most of us would. You'd be surprised at the number of people that say "No way", even have become extremely angry at the suggestion that they likely would have. Self examination isn't as easy as it would seem.
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@VioletDeathRei The thing is, my family suffered as a result of the Nazi ideology. My parents grew up in wartime Netherlands and my mother nearly starved to death because of the callousness of the Nazi occupation. My uncle spent time at the Jewish detention camp in Westerbork and then was sent to a POW camp to sit out the war. The only reason he was sent there is because he lived a few kilometres away and was spared the fate of the Jewish detainees that were there because he wasn't Jewish. However, he saw them being packed into tiny railway cars so they couldn't even sit. It bothered him all his life. However, that was from the perspective of growing up in Holland. What if my dad had been born 100 kilometres to the west in Germany. Then he'd have been old enough to be in the Hitler youth. One could say that his righteousness was just a luck of geography. Without a doubt, the Nazis did some horrific things. That's not what I've been contemplating. It's my contention that the wrong things done is not a German thing but part of the human condition. That if we don't understand that about ourselves, that we will repeat the atrocities in the future. You don't stop evil by pointing fingers. You stop it by knowing yourself and what you're capable of under the right circumstances. That's why I'm against the posturing of the left that accuses everyone of fascism and evil even while they're quite enthusiastically committing their own violence and excusing it in the name of the common good. Nazis did that. They believed that what they were doing was the right thing for their people and that they stood above the rest. Antifa believes the same of themselves and in so doing are quite willing to commit violence for the "good" cause. No self reflection on what they're doing. In fact, they refuse to talk to anyone that might point out the flaws in their behaviour and will only live within their own little bubble or echo chamber.
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@blindseher3634 It's why humanity has kept slaves for thousands of years. Why we had the Inquisitions, the witch hunts, the Cultural Revolution in China, the killing fields in Cambodia, the human sacrifices of the Mayans and the Aztecs, the slaughters by the Mongols and the followers of Mohammed. I could go on and on. It's a manifestation of the what we're all capable of under the right circumstances. We're just as capable of good and that's promising, but as long as the overwhelming majority sees themselves as the moral and ethical creatures and others as the evil ones, we will be doomed to repeat the atrocities of history, again and again.
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@oliveoil7642 Sure....laugh at us. You seem like a really nice human being. (full on sarcasm intended)
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If Trump lives out his term as president and your Hitler analogy does not happen, will you remember this claim? I can remember the claim that Bush was using the war in Iraq to call a state of emergency and that he would suspend general elections and set himself up as the new American dictator. Every leader should always arouse a certain amount of suspicion, however, don't let suspicion become a reality before the fact. Making wild accusations can lead to a loss of credibility and even amusement. Don't oppose the man, oppose specific undertakings and actions that he takes and give plausible reasons why. I have a close friend who is doing what you are and unfortunately, people are starting to roll their eyes whenever he has anything to say even remotely related to politics. It's not helping what he has to say.
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I would think that the helix shape manifests itself all through nature and ancient art reflects that. Using it in art shows that the ancients incorporated it into their vision and spirituality processes and Peterson feels that in this case he felt that it was intentional that it was used in their are. Not that they knew about DNA but that they observed the pattern and incorporated it into their metaphysical beliefs. The double helix as a part of the Mandelbrot set.
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Dr. Carol Swain is NOT the poster child for the progressive left. They hate the "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" narrative that Dr. Swain represents. It goes against the victim narrative, that they love, which says that racism will always keep you down. The very existence of Dr. Swain destroys the portrayal that they want so much to be true.
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@mirjanazivkovic3687 I've been obsessed, at times, with what I don't know. It can be quite a painful obsession but I wouldn't have it any other way.
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In a lot of places you need ID to get welfare. You need ID to get cigarettes and booze. How absolutely arrogant to think that these minorities don't have the smarts or ability to get an ID. Only a person that's so far removed from reality, like a Hollywood elite, would ever consider this a possibility. There's a word that describes this type of thinking. It's starts with an "R". I'll bet everyone of you, reading this comment, already thought the same thing long before you read this comment.
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@robertbrown6513 Once again....he was abused. It has warped everything about him. You're trashing him instead of the people that molested him. Blame the victim. Hollywood is overflowing with these child actor victims, whose lives have been destroyed. But you trash them and NOT the sick cowards that did it to them. Well done. We should be able to end this horror with that attitude. (that's sarcasm)
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@marklambert7515 A lot of child sexual abuse victims go on to become sexually perverse themselves. The same goes for their abusers. It's a cycle. If they do break the law, charge, convict and send them to prison and then try to get them help for their issues. It's not against the law to hang out with women. It is against the law to abuse them. Feldman, through his own abuse and drug addictions, initiated by his abuser, could well become the monster that was created and what he claims that he wants to destroy. If so, stop him but we need evidence for it. However, if you don't acknowledge that someone, like Feldman, was created NOT born, we'll never get to the root of the problem. We've allowed this sick culture to firmly embed itself in Hollywood culture and now we're saying that we didn't know. We knew. Brian Peck, director and producer, was convicted of sexual abuse of a minor, when he was at Nickelodeon. He went to jail and when he got out, he was hired by Disney to produce children's films. This is insane. To me, that's reason enough to boycott Disney into bankruptcy. But.....we don't. We turn a blind eye and then sit, with moral superiority, pretending that "we didn't KNOW". BS.
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@robertbrown6513 Apparently, you didn't read my comment. I didn't defend Feldman for doing that. I said that child sexual abuse victims end up broken people. Feldman is as broken as the come and we know that he's been abused. It's part of the Hollywood cycle. What he's doing now isn't the root of the problem. WE are. I mentioned Brian Peck, who was imprisoned for child sexual abuse and was later, upon release, hired by Disney to work on, of all things, A CHILDREN'S SHOW. We should be outraged that the sexualisation of children will go on. I said that we should boycott Disney into bankruptcy for this but it's so much easier to point at Feldman than it is to fight the machine that's creating the Feldmans in Hollywood. However, it will continue because we don't have the guts to fight the machine. We'd rather fight their victims. I even said that if Feldman breaks the law, charge, convict and jail him and try to get him the help that he needs. But you didn't read that part either. You're fighting the symptoms not the disease.
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@robertbrown6513 Once again, he was damaged by sexual abuse and the drugs, given to him by an abuser. Sexually abused children grow up to be twisted adults. Asking for money to drop names is a rotten thing to do but it's NOT illegal. If he ever DOES abuse a child or personally facilitates the abuse of a child, arrest him, charge, convict and jail him. I've wrote this NUMEROUS times but you just can't seem to get it through your head. I also mentioned Brian Peck but you don't seem to want to talk about that situation. You're going after the symptoms, not the root of it all which is the corruption of Hollywood. Feldman is a result of that corruption.....a victim. If he breaks the law. ONCE AGAIN, charge him....but for God's sake, go after the REAL culprits. The ones who started it all. You almost sound as if you're defending the Hollywood corruption by zeroing in on Feldman. The great deflection.
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This has been such an uplifting discussion and yet so depressing. I'm really afraid for the future of my grandchildren.
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@Philosophy-esque You sure didn't show me that the emperor has no clothes. All you showed me was that you're full of yourself by using big words and circular logic. If you want to show us that he has no clothes, you address what HE is saying and don't try to baffle with BS and pretend that this is evidence of some kind. It's BS and nothing more and says nothing about the emperor or what he's saying.
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@Philosophy-esque When you write a lot of nonsense, that doesn't prove that what someone else wrote is nonsense as well. All it shows is that YOU wrote nonsense and did it intentionally. Just because you didn't understand "Maps of Meaning", that doesn't make it a jumble of words with no meaning. It could mean that it's a difficult read and needs one to use their brain to understand it. Also, I've read it a long time ago and it is a very difficult read. Some ideas were very intriguing, like how people use narratives to express personal beliefs or behaviours. Peterson simplifies it in his YouTube series on "Pinocchio" and also using the stories of the Bible. However, it's always easier to mock than to do the work of trying to get his point or even analyse it so you can explain your position on it. You're the one with the big problem with it. Why don't you explain why those ideas are wrong instead of feigning intelligence through sneering remarks. You don't even have to read the book to do that.
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@Philosophy-esque Apparently, you just wrote in one short paragraph what Peterson did in 400 pages. At least that's what you think. It's like saying that the theory of evolution was the complete brainchild of Darwin when he built it on evolutionary ideas of others but added one perspective that no one else thought of. The theory of evolution already existed before Darwin wrote the Origin of Species. Knowledge grows upon knowledge and Peterson tied together elements of many disciplines to end up where you did and it discusses the very heart of why human history was so brutal and yet so productive and did it within his own journey of discovery, citing an wide array of authors and thinkers. Too bad you weren't around to simplify it for him and he wouldn't have had to spend years doing all that research. However, I'm sure that he would have dismissed your cynicism and the "I already knew that" attitude that allows you to display your arrogance like some young peacock. I even have a feeling that you didn't even read the book and that you're only repeating what someone else has said....someone who finds the ways that he links religion, the narrative, psychology, evolution, human behaviour and other disciplines as a justification for religious belief and no more then mere superstition. Sneering cynicism isn't all that profound either.
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@Philosophy-esque I think that you're the one missing the point. If one hasn't been exposed to those ideas before, you learn about them. The library is full of redundancies, yet we still go there. Reading one book should lead to another and another. It's not just the information, it's how it's presented and the perspectives. One builds on the other. You want to prove something. I just want to learn. I could have picked up something by Jung but I didn't. I picked up "Maps of Meaning". From there I read Hannah Arendt, Voltaire. Knowledge is intertwined and a journey. I've read Milton and Solzhenitsyn, Marx and Foucault. Do I agree with everything they've written? Of course not but I still learn from them. I assume that everyone knows something that I don't. From what I can see, you'll dismissive and arrogant, too good to learn from those you believe don't have your vaunted IQ. YOU are missing a lot but you'll never know because you're too good to find out.
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@Philosophy-esque "no formal education or academic contributions" the supremacy of the expert. I might as well quit interacting with you because my formal education is in computer programming and systems analysis. What expertise do you have in psychology? Like me, you have no background to even speak on it. Nice talking to you but apparently my lack of a formal education in these matters precludes any discussion on anything but how to design a computer system. I most humbly apologise.
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@Philosophy-esque "Regarding that perspective, I’m aware of Peterson’s compulsion to mix subjects from different fields in which he has no formal education or academic contributions" This is not my interpretation. This is copied and pasted from your comment. So far, you've not said one thing that would demonstrate that this one book or his series on Pinocchio or his Bible series lack merit. All you've done is harp on his use of big words and how ambiguous they can be. I found those YouTube videos quite entertaining and thought provoking, even with my limited education in those fields. You're not talking about his ideas. You're making it about him. "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people" Eleanor Roosevelt. So far, you've not passed talking about him, who is a person, a singular people. Anyway, considering my lack of formal education is these fields, I'm going to relax on this lawn chair and contemplate the beauty of my neighbours black eyed susies. Beautiful flowers. Don't know much about them but that's not important when appreciating them, is it?
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GuerillaUnderground "slave" to the system in jobs without meaning. There's no such thing. All jobs have meaning and relevancy. Remember that the next time you're sitting on the toilet and realise the predicament you'd be in if no one had done the "meaningless" job of winding paper onto a core and packing them into boxes for your convenience. Our world works due to these so called "meaningless" jobs by people that are only seeking to survive in a universe that is intent on killing them.
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@guiltyifudnthavemnybuyinnocent I've already emailed that governing body and told them of my displeasure and why. I've also emailed my local federal AND provincial reps and did the same. Giving my support here is only PART of what I'm doing. I spent the day yesterday explaining it to my father who was unaware of what is happening in Canada. I know that a lot of other Canadians that are doing the same. Your intentions are suspect and we feel that you're one of those who support taking away our freedom of expression. So.....begone, TROLL.
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@americancitizen36 The newspaper that wins a Pulitzer, for The 1619 Project, isn't going to like anything that Peterson writes. They'd have to be interested in truth and it's not something that they seem to be big fans of.
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@joelfry4982 Then you don't get it. It's not that "Humans can be evil because of wilful agency." It's "I can be evil because of wilful agency". When you really understand that, then you will understand the moral of that story.
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Rocksteady246 The freedom of speech is guaranteed in the Canadian Bill of Rights and Freedoms. It doesn't matter if psychology is a social science of not, it doesn't over ride our freedoms. Our freedom of expression is enshrined in OUR Constitution which should NEVER be taken with a grain of salt. There is no basis for taking away a basic freedom and just because Dr Peterson is a recovering addict, to a drug that was legally prescribed, does NOT take away his right to free speech and expression. Neither does character assassination.
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@RodJeez Not ANOTHER one. He was prescribed the drug due to a health issue. He became addicted to it. It was NOT a recreational drug. Instead of resorting to conspiracy theories, try to talk about the things he's saying. Any simpleton can regurgitate the familiar talking points about addiction and controlled opposition. “Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.” Something to think about, if you care to think.
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@ezbody "I don't think that you're stupid" is taken WAY out of context. He was talking about the TV snippets of information that we all take in, the lack of being able to concentrate for more than a couple of minutes. Sound bite learning. He's amazed that this isn't as true as social commentary would have us believe. Of course, it's more fun being bitter, nihilistic and to put on a demonstration of intellectual superiority. So, for that, you get a thumbs up.......
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In their minds, we're all equally skilled. Everything is equity and if one person appears more skilled than another, it has to be because they're cheating, getting special help or, that awful word, privileged.
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Why would they do that? Do you think that their message has more meaning if they're in different houses? It doesn't even make sense. It sounds like step 1 of a conspiracy theory. Next you'll be telling us that they're sporting fake beards to look smarter.
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@kimiscool7 I think that it's WORSE than sterilizing and mutilating mentally ill kids. They're taking the more impressionable kids, who are going through a difficult time of puberty, and creating mental issues and then offering the surgical procedures as the solution to those mental problems that they nurtured. It's as, and I don't like using that word, EVIL as it gets.
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@Whats_in_a_name_1 I'm confused. What does his "current psychological position" have to do with his perception of courage?
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@Whats_in_a_name_1 Oh...I'm speaking with an intellectual. LOL. My kids call each other "stupid" all the time. They're only 9, 7 and 3 but damn....are they smart. Genius even. One might even say that they're intellectual giants. Sort of like you.
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@oleoosterom343 When did I start arguing with you? I'm talking to "Greenman".....unless you 2 are the same person. Now that would be a weird thing to do.
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@allymacdonald7321 That's not my point. I was being objective, so that what I said would be applicable to anyone. No matter who you are, it's how one assesses truth. Truth isn't a popularity contest.
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@samilucille1 Why? Who did he harass?
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@The Dude " i dont take advice from benzo addicts." Then you're an idiot. I learned my trade from a guy that was a severe alcoholic and it killed him, yet I wouldn't be where I am without his teaching and advice. So get off your high horse and take advice for what the advice is worth NOT on the imperfections of the person giving the advice. We're human and we're ALL imperfect. I can apply your logic to anyone alive. "I don't advice from a religious nut" or "I won't take advice from a Democrat" "I don't take advice from a guy who cheated on his taxes" (that's everyone) "I don't take advice from a guy that eats meat....or risks his life mountain climbing or would abort their kid or transversely thinks abortion is wrong" There's always something that one can find that you won't approve of. It's the most ridiculous statement that anyone could make. Right now I could be thinking "I don't take advice from one that would make such a stupid statement". but then I'd be the idiot. Also, he didn't misunderstand that law. He saw the potential pitfalls and he brought it to our attention. Your hatred won't allow you to take his advice OR want to understand what he was trying to say. All you see is your own hatred.
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@carlyellison8498 Now, that was clever. You're actually using the 1st Amendment to rationalise why you don't need to offer a cogent case for the things that you believe. I never said that. What I said or criticised, and I never once said that it should be illegal or whatever you're trying to say, is that if you want to taken seriously, you have to offer more than insults (you're part of a cult) to take part in a serious discussion. That was how you started this entire thread. It was a dismissal.... "cult guy" and after that anything that anyone said was a put down. You know.......he's a "cult guy". I don't know you but that's impression I get from you. It's like there's no talking to you because....HEY.....you're in a cult. Automatic dismissal.
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Chief Seattle And anyone who isn't shaken to the core after those numbers and STILL supports Marxism, has to be some kind of stupid. Just sayin.
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@Hannes Zappes Huh???
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@anti1training The Christian admonition "love the neighbour" says it best. There are no qualifications to it. it's not "love thy white neighbour" or "love thy straight neighbour". It includes everyone. When one can do that, honestly and sincerely, there is no race problem.....and I'm not Christian. However, I recognise and give credit to good ideas no matter where I find them.
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So....am I privileged or not?
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Wow....some heavyweight brains here. This'll be good.
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@pitchblack1012 Resist the mindset of the welfare state. Resist DEI and other socialist and progressive ideas. They will lead you down the road that Argentina and Venezuela have taken....poverty and tyranny. I think that it's quite obvious.
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@marihutten I've been to Cuba, along with other Canadians, and it completely baffles me that they've seen the poverty and hopelessness of the people of Cuba but can't see how their own ideas for Canadian politics will lead us to where Cuba is now. Thanks for your comment. Maybe some of my fellow Canadians will see it and understand.
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@pn5721 What really annoyed me is that I've looked it up once before and I've forgotten what it meant. Apparently some thing just don't sink in. LOL.
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@@maxofficial2 "If you leave me, I'll kill myself" So what do you do? You stay because you don't want them to carry out that threat. WORSE.....if you do decide to leave, in spite of the risk of suicide, the law or your professional organisation, FORCES you to stay because leaving increases the risk of suicide and that would be "life ending". Using threats of this nature is emotional blackmail. It's manipulative and reprehensible.
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@@maxofficial2 Who said what? What part of my comment are you referring to, specifically?
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Do you always want them to selflessly help you. There is a time that you have to step away and be an adult and, for most of us, be there for our children. The most precious thing that you can give your children is a stable home that they can always feel comfortable about while still giving them the confidence and ability to never feel the need for it or expect it. That's how you build a well rounded and balanced person....at least, that's how I've tried to live my life and by and large it's worked out fairly well. I got three grandkids that seem to like me for no particular reason whatsoever. I'm kinda proud of that.
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@ciarroam Give it a rest. Those, who would abuse children, find their way into places where children are found. Churches, sports, playgrounds, schools, none of these institutions are free of it. The entertainment industry is no better and maybe the worst of them all because these predators know that there are parents out there who would sacrifice their children for money. They'd turn away as long as the cash was coming in. There's no cash coming from belonging to a church. In fact, it's the other way around. Church members donate to the church. The biggest problem with those other institutions is that parents find it hard to believe it to be true. Like everyone else, I went to school and I didn't see it. Yet, I can show you a list of 500 FEMALE teachers who have been convicted of having intercourse with students, both girls and boys and as young as 12 years old. I even know a guy whose ex-wife was convicted of it as a teacher. It's not "tell that to the Catholic Church". It's "reveal it where it's happening" and divert from one to another to appease your personal bias.
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@ten_tego_teges The vast majority of people that came out of the feudal system were still of agricultural background. When the aristocrats lost their power and the peasants took over the land, they drew on their knowledge, as peasants who'd always worked the land, to become successful. The Kulaks in the Ukraine were a prime example. They knew what they were doing and had attained moderate success within a generation of taking over their farms. However, if you look to Zimbabwe, the people that took over the farms weren't farmers. This idea that all you have to do is give the people land and they will produce is a fallacy. The land needs good caretakers, people who have the background and dedication to do the tough, backbreaking work necessary to make it a success. That didn't happen in Zimbabwe. In fact, those who one might say were comparable to the peasants, the labourers, didn't take over the land at all. Many left with the white landowners and helped them to establish new farms in neighbouring Malawi. The "peasants" of Zimbabwe were not the ones that lent their expertise to make it a smooth transition. It was a disaster......and it will be a disaster in South Africa, too. The land in medieval Europe was taken over by those who'd always worked it. The land in South Africa will be given to those who support the government and want the land due to ideological reasons, anger and envy. Those aren't the qualities needed to run a successful agricultural community. In reality, you're comparing apples and oranges. One that was a social system that was in a natural state of transition and the one that is now in South Africa that is a forced transition. The transition should come due to social conditions as they are today and never for ideological reasons.
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@evansmith2766 Frankl looked inside to find that stoicism. Had he not looked for the worthwhile, deep within him, he'd have never would have found the strength to sustain that stoic lifestyle. The one thing that you'll find when you try to fight the system and not deal with your own personal issues, is that the system will fight back. A person that has dug in, like Frankl did, to find their inner strength, will become a slave to the issues that will prevent him from dealing with setbacks in a positive manner. He becomes resentful, may even lash out in anger and that can only end badly, not just for him but for all that come into contact with him. Frankl found an inner strength and peace. That's the way to deal with the world around you. The world will live on, like it always has, with all it's horrors and corruption, but you'll be gone. At least make your corner of it, a place where people will want to engage with you. You accomplish nothing by constant complaints.
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@KevinHammond1 If he's one of them, why would he have her on his podcast? Is putting light to one of the biggest child sex scandals in American history. Why not do what the rest of them do? NOTHING. Pretend that this never happened. Brett just revealed that this writer tried to put his hand in her back pocket when she was only 15. When she wouldn't allow it, he tried it with her 16 year old friend and succeeded. She revealed how predatory some parents, especially mothers were, offering their children to these predators for money. He even gave her a platform to show what a good mother does as opposed to some of the bad mothers. Yet, you still find something nefarious in this podcast. Brett relayed everything that she wanted to say and his interruptions were only to clarify some of the points that she was making. Peterson is one of the most hated people on the planet.....hated by the very left that is at the heart of the sexuality of children. His own profession is forcing him to go to a re-education camp, even though not ONE client complained about him. And here you are, making an argument about some of the symbols on his jacket as if that proves anything. You're going to have to go a lot deeper than that.
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@roy_for_real2674 You don't have to do anything that you don't want to do. However, don't come crying when you have to face the consequences of that decision. I know that I don't have to show strength when dealing with the struggles of life. It might be a good idea to try to face those struggles with strength and determination. The opposite, being weak and just letting life roll over me, is allowed but the results of that apathy isn't going to get me anywhere.
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Huh????? One of the premier intellectuals of our time, influencing millions around the world to self improvement....and you're calling him fragile? I think that you may have a perverse idea of strength.
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I have the greatest respect for the medical profession. However, I have to remember that it was also medical professionals that wrote prescriptions for the pain killers that caused one of the biggest drug epidemics in the west. I've lost friends to the opiod addictions that seen its genesis in a visit to their doctor. To conclude that a certain demographic, of society, is beyond reproach, is extremely shortsighted and naive. Your doctor is just as human as you are.
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@alistairmcdougall9625 America was energy independent under Trump but is now trying to get away from fossil fuels to save the planet from climate catastrophe under the Democrats. Democrats don't want oil, American, Venezuelan, Canadian or Middle Eastern. They want green solutions and fossil fuels ain't it.
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@mitch_the_-itch You sure are confused. That was 250 YEARS ago. We've become independent since then, specifically in 1867 which is almost 100 years after YOUR independence. The Loyalists were LONG dead by then. With that independence, we've enacted The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which is equivalent to your Bill of Rights, a part of the Constitution. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the freedom of speech for ALL Canadians. Unless you're speaking through a time machine, those freedom loving Canadians that stayed in the USA, died at least 200 years ago. Your attempt at levity is rather weak PLUS uninformed.
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@mitch_the_-itch Emotional? LOL. I just informed you a little about our history and our Charter of Rights and that's emotional? It's facts. How can that be emotional? I did mock you a little because your original comment would have been relevant 200 years ago but Canada did not exist back then so logically neither did The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. That Charter guarantees the freedom of expression. There's no limits on that right in our Charter. "as limited as they were" "were" is irrelevant. Our freedom of speech is no longer bound by the tenets of British law of 200 years ago, just like American law isn't bound by British law 300 years ago. They've been abrogated since then by our Charter of Rights. Yes, we have fallen, just like you have in the states. You're only a step or two behind us, make no mistake about that. Instead of mocking us or laughing at us, you should be supporting us. You're in the same boat that we are. I might even suggest that you're worse off. The left has just arrested a past president and a future presidential candidate, ostensibly to stop him from running. At least we've not gone that far. LOL. Now I'm laughing at you and I shouldn't be. We're in this together and we should be supporting each other.
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@truthovercomes1273 You know that and I know that but you'll never convince this kokoskokso. He's a troll and really has nothing to offer but accusations and gossip. Good comment, though.
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I'm not sure on what you mean. As far as I can tell, the people on Jan. 6th set back the movement against the corporate elites, immensely. Thankfully, the establishment seems to be shooting themselves in the foot by overhyping the narrative. I've said it over and over. We can't outfight them. We have to outsmart them. The protesters can't charge headlong at them. They have to wait for the establishment to charge at them. The establishment has to escalate the situation into violence and it has to be obvious. The country has to be appalled at them, NOT the protesters.
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I always kind of laughed at the premise of the movie "Soylent Green". It's a non-sustainable idea. Every year around 60 million people die around the world. If you divide those dead people among all the people, at the world average weight of 136 pounds, everyone gets 1.16 pounds of Soylent Green to eat, for the entire year. Since most people eat between 3 to 4 pounds a day, they'd have breakfast on Jan 1st and go hungry for the rest of the year. No matter how you look at it, it doesn't add up, even if they farmed humans for food.
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@omigiekiel5968 Yes...it's entirely possible.
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@LeavingBabylon_ What the hell is false hope, anyway? Hope is what drives you to success. When you give up hope, you just plain give up. Why would anyone want that? If you really want humanity annihilated in a world burned to hell through human inaction....give up hope. It'll be a self fulfilling prophecy. Destruction due to apathy and the lethargy of a hopeless soul.
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@mikekane2492 Free speech is only important when it's your own speech that is being suppressed. That's the problem that you're running into. Their free speech is trivial to them. It's what harms the ideas that they have and they don't want to hear the ideas that might put those ideas into doubt. It's better, for them, to be secure in their belief systems than it is for those systems to be challenged. The best way to do that is demonise those who might challenge them. Immorality....here you come. If you're immoral, your ideas must reflect that immorality and you can't have them infecting the minds of the unwary.
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@SippyKupp Do you mean that having anxiety and the resulting addiction to the medication to fight the anxiety is a pretty good journey? Strange take on emotional and addiction issues. The medication almost killed him. He has been in hospitals for a year and a half. It's been a terrible road for him and his family. Also, my brother in law just had cancer and is now cancer free. It wasn't pleasant but he didn't have near the issues that Peterson did. He hardly stopped working through the treatments. You might be advised to find out the whole Peterson health issue before you comment.
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dan bob I'd have read your entire comment but your grammar was so poor that I was having a difficult time understanding your point. The value of your comment is lost in your poor ability to express yourself in any intelligible manner. I'm not trying to insult. I'm hoping that you'll work on it so as to be able to better convey, what could be, a message worth reading.
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dan bob A lot of very vague statements. "some sort of denial".....that could apply to anyone and everyone. You'd be correct by default. Why should I or anyone believe what you tell me? First, you haven't really told me anything, except that I'm blind and arrogant and that you've something of value to impart. However, secondly, I have no idea what it is you're trying to say except that people are blind and arrogant and that you have something to say. All I was trying to tell you is that you should use some punctuation and your message might be easier to understand.
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@charles A poor analogy. A party can't stop the runaway train. Neither can a protest. However, the protesters in Ottawa can change the attitudes of the people so they can effect change through the political process. They can change how the political engineer, metaphorically speaking, is running the country. That political engineer is in control and his decision process can be changed. The engineer, of a runaway train, has lost control. Protesting his train driving policies isn't going to stop the train which is out of control. The government is still in control. The driver of the train has lost control. Your analogy doesn't work.
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@sheilasmith7779 Violence is EXACTLY what the establishment is waiting for. One bad incident and it will be plastered all over the news and will be the excuse to send in forces to break it all up. Then anyone, even resisting a little bit, will have his picture all over the media and the confrontations will be shown non-stop. Violence is the tactic of the bully. When attacked, by said bully, you defend yourself and then use violence to control and subjugate that bully. Our government is the bully, right now. They haven't used violence yet and the reason is obvious. If they do, without provocation, they know that the average Canadian will turn on them. This works both ways. It's propaganda. We have to beat them at their own game.
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@rectombulas793 That's correct. The ones who start the violence will LOSE the propaganda war. Don't let the Oligarchs goad you into doing something stupid. They'll destroy you for it. Be better and smarter than them.
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@warbwashington5626 The man had health issues and the drug was prescribed to him by a doctor. A DOCTOR...you smug jerk. Peterson had no idea that it could have such adverse side effects. You're a miserable little man.
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@marvin60000 You're not listening. Period.
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@marvin60000 Peterson went to a doctor for health issues. The doctor gave him a prescription and he filled it. He didn't know that the drugs could become addictive. He didn't go out looking for heroin or meth or opium. He was sick and a doctor gave him something that he became addicted to. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? He wasn't engaging in back alley drug deals. He went to a DRUG STORE with a prescription, given to him by a doctor. This could happen to anyone....INCLUDING YOU. Show a little compassion.
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@marvin60000 It must be nice to be a know it all. To be the guy that ALWAYS makes the right decisions, where everything always goes right. Most of us have to learn by our mistakes. We find out that we know it all until we don't. If you don't stick your neck out, like Peterson did, never do anything of consequence, I guess you'll never make mistakes that amount to anything. You're another one of those smug, self righteous types that loves to judge everyone as beneath them. Instead of talking about his work, you prefer to denigrate because you can't stand to see someone that has done something that outshines you.
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@desnock "he's as fucked up as the rest of US" NOT "you". That's how you should crafted that sentence. Human beings are fallible. ALL OF US. To insinuate that only a certain group are fucked up, thereby eliminating yourself in that designation, shows just how arrogant and narcissistic you actually are. YOU are as fucked up as anyone else. Did he have alcohol problems? Yes he did, and he overcame them and became a highly respected academic. I can't tell you all the details of his recent problems but guess what, he's working hard on recovering on that, as well. Meanwhile, he's back to work, trying his best to understand the incomprehensible ways that humans behave. He's not wallowing in self pity. He's working and putting himself right out there, warts and all. He knows people, like you, are going to attack and vilify him, by the millions and he still sticks his neck out and takes it. You won't even use your own name when making a comment. You have a lot less to lose than he does, yet he stands up and takes it. You hide behind a made up name, because you know FULL WELL, that if people know who you are, they'll point out the fucked up things in your life.
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So then what's the point of talking about white privilege? It's a moot subject and is reflected in the attitudes of individuals. You can't legislate it away. People will think what they think. Funny how when whites make more money that blacks or Hispanics, it's white privilege. What is it when Asians make more money than whites? Maybe if those who think they're less privileged would stop worrying about the perceived privilege of others and concentrated on the privileges that they do have, they'd be doing a lot better than what they are.
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It is amazing how many ancient tribal names, around the world, translate as "The people" as if they stand above others. It's a part of human nature to elevate those that you identify with. It's in that understanding that helps us to expand that tribal mentality and it won't be easy.
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