Comments by "Jack Haveman" (@JackHaveman52) on "Identity Fixation" video.

  1.  @matthewcurry3565  LOL. Another one that has lots of denigrating things to say about the speaker yet never bothers to engage on the topics that the speaker is talking about.
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  2.  @matthewcurry3565  You did? All I read was personal attacks on him and those who appreciate his work. If I didn't know his stuff, I'd never know a thing about anything that he's ever said except maybe the "clean your room" crack that you made. When I suggested to discuss his work, I didn't mean to call us hypnotised zombies. How could I respond to that except like a 5 year old. "I am not!!!". But since you brought it up, what do you think he means when he suggest that one should "clean their room". I'm not asking you to agree with him, I want to know if you understand his point. Once you understand his point THEN you show us how wrong he is, if indeed there is a problem with what he's saying.
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  3.  @matthewcurry3565  I've read everyone of your comments on this thread. You've never referred to any specific thing that he's ever said. You've made denigrating remarks about it but that's no different than me calling you a dummy. It says nothing except that I'm kind of an arrogant SOB. If you really can't understand what I'm talking about, you're not NEAR the intellectual that you think you are. Just a simple question about what you think he meant by "clean your room" goes unanswered. Why is that? Don't you know what he means? It's easy to say that it's a silly comment but that doesn't tell me that you understand it. If I answered this question, on a high school test, the way that you did, I'd get a big fat ZERO. Actually talk about the idea, not about what you think of Peterson.
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  4.  @matthewcurry3565  Ok. Here it goes 30 years ago, I found out my wife was having an affair. It devastated me and I left her for obvious reasons. 7 months later, my son was killed in an accident and my mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer 2 months later. I was a mess. I quit working, drank too much and was heading down a terrible road. After 3 years, I started a job at a scrap yard, which may seem like something but it wasn't that big a deal at the time. In reality, it was a place to go and drink. There was beer in the fridge at all times and if I took a day or week off, no big deal. They weren't going to fire me and they said so. I even got paid for days I took off. However, I slowly started to go to work when I was there. I got out of the office and started to do things that had to be done, much to the chagrin of my alcoholic boss. It was then that the yard was sold and things changed. I started to do the work that I was expected and supposed to do. It fell right into the pattern that I'd been slowly immersing myself into. They fired everyone, except me, and I worked alone for 2 years, rebuilding a clientele that had been lost when the old owner had it. It was a long struggle, a lot of days, in the beginning, where I never saw a soul, but it was the best thing in the world for me. I was showing up every day. I stayed later when needed. I was metaphorically cleaning my room. The drinking slowed down. I was finding peace in my life and all it took was doing the things that I should be doing. When I heard him explain his "Clean your room" trope, it spoke to me. I was lucky, though. I came from a farming background where the virtues of hard work were extolled as a virtue. It was something that I had been accustomed to. However, if a person had grown up in suburbia and the toughest thing that they did growing up was take out the garbage once a week, that idea would never occur to them, UNLESS it was outlined by someone who had the power to communicate ideas in a powerful manner and Peterson is just that. A lot of young people would never have worked their way out of severe depression because they'd have never, metaphorically cleaned their room. I reconnected with my daughter, have 3 wonderful grandchildren. I have a closer relationship with my ageing father than what I've ever had my entire life. Things aren't perfect, that's a life's impossibility but I'm contented. All it took was for me to take care of business, slowly at first, just like his "clean your room" suggested but I made my life worth living. That translated into making things better for those around me. It's small. It's simple. It's trite but it's real.
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  5.  @matthewcurry3565  That's what I've been trying to do. I've even offered to talk about the one thing that you did bring up. "Clean your room" as a first step to bringing order in your life. You asked if he has helped me. Not really but he allowed me to understand how I, inadvertently, worked my own way out of personal quagmire and it reflects on his "Clean you room" statement. It's a long read and I'll only relate it if you're interested. It's not book size but a couple of long paragraphs. If you're not interested in a real life testimony, fine.....although I can't see why. Learning is about listening, even to things that you don't like.
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  6.  @matthewcurry3565  My point is that I was lucky. Not because of my internal strength and perseverance but because I grew up in a background where that was expected of a person. I lost my way but that background gave me the foundation to help me out of the mess that I was in. A lot of people don't have that background. They never grew up having to work, all day on a farm when only 13 or 14 years old. They never get the chance to even consider the idea that going to work would be the best thing for them. Work is an obligation that one does to pay the rent and eat. They don't see it as a way to improving mental health. That's where Peterson comes in. He tells them to do what I did but he does it in their world. The only world that they've ever known and for the depressed, that is their room. So it's real and it's metaphor. Start small. Fix the little things like your messy room. Then work your way out from there. Just because I did it, that doesn't mean that other can or will. Their situation is going to be different than mine. Sometimes a person needs that push that Peterson can give them. If they use that push and build on it, they can help themselves immensely. It's better than no push at all.
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  7.  @Ashamedofmypast  "an adequate explanation"? Maybe more time in the re-education camp will fix that....right?????
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  8.  @JoyElectric567  Yet, those who hate him the most, the far left, will continue to support a party that does nothing to help the most vulnerable in their cities. Horrific schools, poverty, homelessness and crime, substance addictions....all in major cities, almost all governed by the "party of compassion". I could understand it if the "party of capitalism" or the "party of greed" were in control but they're not. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. There's a reason for that saying. Maybe if we encouraged people to better themselves, as individuals living in a broader community, we wouldn't have the problems that we have today. You're no good to others if you can't be good for yourself.
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