Comments by "Jack Haveman" (@JackHaveman52) on "Irreversible Damage? | Abigail Shrier | EP 159" video.

Amy h To assume that it's permanent, when you're 13, is not only shortsighted, but just plain wrong. A person's body goes through great hormonal changes through puberty and the teenage years. To apply a permanent solution, during those years, would just as likely, cause great physical turmoil causing conflict between the artificial changes and the normal, natural development that we all go through. Allow your body to do what it is supposed to do and if that doesn't alter the urges towards dysphoric feelings, THEN seek medical solutions. That would be the common sense way to proceed.
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@biancawilloughby9980 I never allowed my 13 year old kids to drink or smoke or do drugs. Did that make me a tyrant? "It's my body, Dad. You have no right to stop me from doing crack". I never ONCE told you that you couldn't do what you wanted with your own body. However, I will tell you that it's a mistake and patently wrong to intentionally put foreign substances into your body when you're still a child and you haven't developed into an adult yet, both physically and mentally. You think that I'M MAD???? To make the argument, that you just made, like a petulant child, just shows how immature you actually are. If you want to go through gender processes when you're an adult(?), go ahead. You're an adult(?) and you have that right....but to say a 13 year old has the maturity to make that decision....THAT'S insane. Quit acting like a 13 year old....unless of course you're still an adolescent. Then you're saying exactly what I would expect a teenager to say.
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@biancawilloughby9980 But would it have been the wisest decision to make? Could there no be consequences, to your physical health, when your body, acting in an evolutionary framework, is trying to do one thing and you're forcing it to do another by blocking its natural course? That's a question that has never been resolved. Whether you like it or not, all the advance creatures on the planet go through a maturation process. Cats, dogs, butterflies, mosquitoes, lobsters and humans all have an inherited process that guide their bodies through maturity. It's been there for millions upon millions of years. It's a basic part of life. Now you're going to change it all by trying to stop the process that has been embedded into our genetic make-up for tens of millions of years. We've been struggling with the affects of chemicals now, in our food and water and the very air we breathe. Now you want to inject MORE chemicals to change the very heart of your genetic blueprint. That sounds like an awful risky proposal to me. I would NEVER recommend it to a 13 year old. You can wish your life away if that's how you really want to spend the only life you have. That also seems like a waste of the only life that you'll ever have.
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@biancawilloughby9980 You have some wonderfully deep and well thought out arguments. You're really good at this....LOL. I'm triggered so that proves that 13 year olds should be allowed to take puberty blockers. I didn't know that I had that much power. You should take that argument to Congress.
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@biancawilloughby9980 It's good that society is more accepting of trans people. Don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem with giving puberty blockers to children. Puberty is already flooding them with natural chemicals and there's no way of knowing how those will affect a child, especially those who've just announced their dysphoria right of the blue. I grew up with a guy who's trans and we knew it from before he started school. I also grew up with tomboys who would now be pressured into making radical decisions because it's the new social affliction. Two of them are gay and a couple of others are married and appear to be quite happy as they are. My niece had a kidney transplant at 16. It was a life and death situation and it had to be done. There was nothing elective about it. She's now married and a mother of one. I've also had a surgery on a strangulated hernia. It had to done or I'd have died of gangrene of the intestines. Sometimes you have to place trust because the options are that or death. However, I've also a healthy scepticism of the medical profession and the money behind it. Not that I'm a conspiracy guy, no anti-vaxxer and such but I've already mentioned those that I've known that died from the opioids that doctors were handing out like candy. I also know someone who has born with a deformed arm due to her mother being prescribed Thalidomide. Trust is one thing. Blind trust is another.
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@biancawilloughby9980 Then explain to me the sudden rash of young girls who want to go through the transformative treatments. This is unprecedented, especially when gender dysphoria has been a male dominated issue throughout history. You paint a rosy picture of the medical field when handling the dysphoria issues. However, I know lots of people that suffered and are now either dead or going through pure hell because of the opioids prescribed by medical professionals. I'm not that enamoured by the medical profession as to trust them to effect such drastic measures, especially when it can be ideologically or culturally driven, like it is quite often these days. This isn't something that should EVER be decided by a 13 year old and done on their say so. Those blockers could have serious consequences on a person's future both on their physical and emotional health.
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@mr.x5495 I just said that the dysphoria wave has strong cultural forces behind it. The term "social contagion" would describe it. Other social contagions, in history are the anorexia explosion, the sex abuse scandals in pre-school, the cutting outbreak among teenagers....even Beatlemania can be described as a social contagion. It's a cultural mania that affects those who are going through emotional upheaval and puberty is a time when it's extremely common. I'm not here to get into a religious argument.
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I have the greatest respect for the medical profession. However, I have to remember that it was also medical professionals that wrote prescriptions for the pain killers that caused one of the biggest drug epidemics in the west. I've lost friends to the opiod addictions that seen its genesis in a visit to their doctor. To conclude that a certain demographic, of society, is beyond reproach, is extremely shortsighted and naive. Your doctor is just as human as you are.
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