Comments by "Jack Haveman" (@JackHaveman52) on "History Debunked" channel.

  1.  @makeytgreatagain6256  Just because the Mali Empire was gone, that doesn't mean that the slave trade disappeared with it. The area called Mali still exists to this day. Just because there are automobiles in Mali, it doesn't mean that there were automobiles in the Mali Empire. If slaves were being sold to the Arabs, during the Mali Empire, those slaves were chattel. The official definition of chattel is: an item of property other than real estate. (from the online dictionary) If you sell a person, it's recognised property and fits into the definition of chattel. You're sugar coating the practice of slavery. I'm not sure why one would do that.
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  2.  @makeytgreatagain6256  Do I have to show you the definition of "chattel" AGAIN. Here you go. I'll make it as it pertain to slavery. From the Merriam-Webster dictionary: an enslaved person held as the legal property of another. If you SELL someone, as a slave, they're chattel. It's what the word means. There's NO such thing as NICE slavery. You're either a slave or you're NOT as slave, free to leave or FORCED to stay. When Bulgarians sold Slavic captives to the Turks, they were chattel. The Turks, in turn, sold them all over the Middle East...as chattel. It wasn't nice. It wasn't friendly and NOT ONE SLAV went willingly. Slavery was legal, in some Middle Eastern countries till very recently. In fact, the slave trade was held quite open in Constantinople until 1908. It was then that the trade of Zanj women, who came from the coast of Eastern Africa, and the Circassian women, from north of the Caucasus, was abolished. These women were forced to travel thousands of miles to be sold. Oman abolished slavery in 1970. In MY lifetime. I remember it being in the news. Slavery in Saudi Arabia and Yemen was abolished in 1962, due to pressure from the British government. Not "nice" slavery, either. REAL slavery. In China, it was finally abolished in 1910 after thousands of years of legality. You think that somehow being FORCED to work in the salt mines of Mali was much better than picking cotton in Alabama. Both were awful. While I think that slavery is appalling no matter where it is, YOU seem to think only certain types of slavery should be demonised. If you're held against your will, forced to labour with no pay or used for sex against your will....YOU are a slave. It doesn't matter if you're the only one in town or if there are hundreds of slaves there, it's appalling when the state or ruling class allows it under the law and that has happened all over the world for thousands of years. You want to use the slave trade, of the past, as a rationalisation for your hatred. I want to use that history to show that we're ALL human, given to the excesses that is a part of all humanity. Also, my family originated in Poland. We weren't known for engaging in the trans-Atlantic slave trade although we were likely to trade our fellow citizens to the Turks and other middle easterners. A terrible time in our past but there it is. It was a terrible time in human history....unless you find it important to hate certain demographics. Then we'll just keep pointing fingers at one another till we finally destroy each other.
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  3.  @makeytgreatagain6256  You're too vested in anger and hatred to even have a decent conversation. They're NOT my people. I wasn't alive then. In fact, my ancestors were just dirt poor farmers who couldn't afford a slave had they wanted one. Those times are over. The American slave trade is dead. We're all one people. The native guy, down the street, is my people. The NBA players are my people. YOU are my people, if you live in the same country that I do. It's like my dad used to say about the Germans. He lived through NAZI occupation yet he's not holding a grudge. The WAR is over....he says. Time to shake hands and move on. However, it's important to you, to keep up the divide, for some reason. "YOUR people. YOU did this". I know people that still HATE the Germans and they can give all kinds of horrific stories about what the NAZIS did to them and their families. Even my parents have quite the stories. However, like my dad says....the WAR IS OVER. If you spend your life in hatred, it sucks the life out of you and hurts you as much or MORE than it does the person that you hate. The transatlantic slave trade is over. Quit acting like the ships are still in the harbour.
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  4.  @makeytgreatagain6256  There are reasons for the size of the trans-Atlantic slave trade. For one thing, huge plantations were being opened up in the Caribbean, the southern US and Brazil. They wanted a labour force and for the first time in history, huge numbers of people could be moved, quickly and cheaply, for thousands of miles. With the size of the new ships that the Europeans were now building and the new technology never seen before, they could just float them over the ocean with little effort. Trying to march 100 slaves, over the desert was a daunting task and not near as easy as using a shipping lane. Couple that with the demand for labour on 2 opening continents, you had the perfect storm for the biggest slave movement in history. It was opportunity and circumstance that drove that trade, not because Old World slavery was "nicer" and more compassionate. The transAtlantic trade was that much easier to use as a trading medium for slaves. Not that it was a good thing. It's just a fact. It's easier and cheaper to move 100 slaves across the Atlantic on ship than it is to walk them over the desert to Egypt. A LOT easier. It doesn't make one slave trader a better person than another.
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  5.  @makeytgreatagain6256  You've called me names. You've insisted that these were "my people" as if I have something to feel sorry about. I gave countless reasons for why the slave trade, in the Americas, evolved the way that it did but you haven't even talked about one of the points that I made. All you do is capitalise the same rant over and over again. "YOUR PEOPLE CONDUCTED THE WORST SLAVE TRADE IN ALL HUMAN HISTORY AND TREATED THEIRS THE WORST" They're NOT my people. They were people that lived over 200 years ago and none of them were even related to me. Even if they were, it means nothing. We all live in one nation, now. Everyone that lives in this country are my people. If you want to divide the nation, that's on you. I will NOT accept that some people, in my country, are not among those who are my people just because they have a different skin colour. That's YOUR domain. Quit dividing us into groups. That's what started this, according to YOU, in the first place. We either stop it or we continue babbling about "YOUR people" and "MY people" and the nonsense will never stop.
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  6. Do you do a Google search on names that don't appear to be Jewish? For example, is Angela Merkel Jewish? She sure seems to support the same ideas that the left supports. She must be Jewish.....right? Funny thing is, she's not. I have a feeling your google searches are geared towards self validation and not a search for the facts, at all.
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  7.  @c-h-a-dtheillustrious2155  If a person tells someone that, for a sum, he'll get you a better life and you pay him, that's a transaction. If he takes the money and then forces you into working as a sex worker, against your will, that's slavery. Also, you're NOT confined in a cubicle in a 9 to 5 job. You can get up and leave anytime you want. These forced sex workers are not allowed to leave and do so at risk to their physical well being or life. I'm amazed that this has to be explained.
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  8.  @itsMe_TheHerpes  Do I think racism is real? Yes....of course. Do I think that it impacts the life of Americans, today? Only if YOU allow it to......unless BLM comes along and burns down your building, loots your store, sets fire to your car or throws bricks at you. That's racism impacting the lives of Americans, including black Americans. See David Dorn.
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