Comments by "Jack Haveman" (@JackHaveman52) on "Channel 4 News" channel.

@akram379 Why? Because he doesn't like being associated with pedophiles, when it's not true. I don't blame him. I'd be a little pissed myself.
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Ed Silmon They targeted non-Muslims because they knew that, after years of success, that this was the way to not face prosecution. They were using racism as a blocking tactic. It was the fear of being called racist that kept them safe from the police. In Toronto, a young girl claimed that someone tried to pull off her hijab while she was walking to school. By noon, it was the leading story on TV and on the front pages of the newspaper. The Prime Minister, that afternoon, cried that "racism is alive and well in Canada". A few days later it was discovered that the girl lied and it never happened at all. This tells me that if it had been white English men that had targeted Muslim girls, the outrage would have been deafening and rightly so. The MeToo movement would be screaming the loudest about toxic masculinity and the white Patriarchy. They're not hardly saying a thing about those Pakistani gangs though. Why? Race is why. The Pakistanis are the wrong race to criticise. There is something in Pakistani culture that is at the root of this attitude. I believe that Islam is at the centre of it. Islam is quite outspoken on how non-believers are lower than animals and do not deserve respect. That is what makes the Pakistani grooming gangs a not too surprising phenomenon. They have no respect for non-Muslims and women in particular.
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fullmetalchamploo Baloney. When Poland was invaded, no one said Europeans invaded Poland. It was Germany. Specifically and undoubtedly. These grooming gangs are from Pakistan. To say that they're Asian is not just inaccurate, it's obfuscating to the point of lying. You've just lumped in the Japanese with them and the Chinese and Tibetans and Malaysians and Turks, yet they aren't the ones that are guilty. I'm at a loss to understand why you wouldn't want to be more accurate, to name the perps. Why would you even insinuate a different perp by expanding the profiles of the guilty? I'm at a complete loss to understand your logic. It's as if you're taking it personally.
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Ed Silmon Rotherham, Telford, Leeds, Newcastle, Birmingham, Oxford, Bradford, Manchester, Rochdale, West Yorkshire, Oldham, Peterborough, Aylesbury, Keighley, Bristol.....is that enough? I can name more if you like. Incredibly, almost all members of these gangs were all of Pakistani origin. Some have even said that if the victims of grooming had been from good Muslim families, they would not have been abused because Muslims would not allow their women to run wild like non-Muslims do and therefore would not be in a position to be abused. The police and social services allowed some of the gangs to operate for 30 years, knowing that it was happening but were too afraid of being called racist for exposing the fact that they were Pakistani and Muslim. A Times reporter broke the story using boxes and boxes of official documents that showed just how long it was known. Worse, the media insists on calling them "Asian" gangs, painting all Asians with the same brush. These are all facts. A google search will get you all kinds of information on it. The rapes themselves were not racially motivated buy the bigotry and racist attitudes of these Pakistanis are on full display. There is no excuse for any of this or for pretending that this isn't happening.
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Strawberry 93 It's a "huge problem" because there may be over 60 cities across England affected by Pakistani grooming gangs. In the city of Rotherham, alone, there are up to 1400 girls that have been abused by a Pakistani gang in the last 25 years. The "huge problem" is that it is almost exclusively Muslim Pakistani and the authorities looked the other way due to a fear that they would be accused of racism and that they were centring on Muslims. It was the fear of the backlash from the left wing that protected the grooming gangs. I'll give you an example just how biased the left media has been concerning Muslims. In Toronto, a young girl claimed a man tried to pull off her hijab on the way to school, one morning. By noon, all the press were at the school. It was the leading story on TV news and on the front page of the daily newspapers. By 2 o'clock, the Prime Minister publicly said that "racism is alive and well in Canada". Now, compare this with Rotherham. 1400 underage girls were sexually abused by Pakistani men and for 25 years NO ONE said a word. NOT A DAMN WORD!!!!! Now it's out in the open, more and more cities have been found with these gangs, almost exclusively Muslim with victims that were exclusively white and Sikh. Telford has almost 1000 cases......AND IT HAD BEEN REPORTED TO THE POLICE AND SOCIAL SERVICES IN MOST OF THOSE CITIES. Thousands of young girls sexually abused for years and there are still people accusing those who are outraged by it of being racist. Yet, one girl, ONE MUSLIM GIRL, says someone tried to take her hijab and it's news across the country......and do you know what. SHE MADE IT UP!!!!!! It wasn't true. Hollywood stars are crying about MeToo and the trauma they had to live through to make millions but do you hear them speaking out about those poor white and Sikh girls in England? I'll bet you every cent I've ever made that if 10 members of the EDL had raped a couple of Muslim girls over a weekend, it would have been headlines everywhere and I say this with confidence. Remember the little girl in Toronto. That's how I know that the left wing are only being selectively compassionate. It's disgusting.
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TMan 786 My God. You're actually making some kind of argument using the Jimmy Saville case. What in the world does that have to do with this case? Is your argument the one that we should cover up these Muslim prostitution and child sexual abuse cases because of a alleged cover up of Jimmy Saville abuses. Most of us believe (the reasonable people anyway) that the Saville case should not have been covered up, either and that a lesson should have been learned then. Apparently, it wasn't and the lesson you appear to be advocating is that if covered up once, it should always be covered up for all time. Nice use of a fallacy, though.
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Dobro Doggie I challenge you to take the insides out of a clock and put it inside a case and walk into an airport with this case and start showing people your handiwork. I'll bet that you won't do it. I'd have to wonder why and I'll bet you could answer why YOU wouldn't do it. You know full well that people might mistake if for a bomb and that you would be subject to serious repercussions at the hands of airport security and the law. American schools have been the victims of school shootings and it would be prudent for any student to refrain from bringing anything that looked dangerous to a school. Small children have been expelled for forming a pistol with their fingers and pretending to shoot fellow students. Why would a 14 year old do what this kid did? What did he think it was that he had invented. A new clock? Even after he was told to put it away, he insisted on carrying it to other classes, that had nothing to do with his "science" project and continue to show it off. I'm not going to say it was a conspiracy but I have to wonder what his motive was. One thing is certain, that project did not deserve a trip to the Whitehouse and it became a media circus only because the media wanted to create that controversy.
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Dobro Doggie Just in case you're wondering, here are some winning high school projects in Canada. Notice the high calibre of science and the depth of the projects. https://cwsf.youthscience.ca/sites/default/files/2017_cwsf_awards_en.pdf Oh yeah, that clock boy was one smart kid. If he's the best the US had to offer in their high school science classes, the US is failing it's students, badly.
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Jane I understand your frustration and anger and you have every right to feel that way. The politically correct media is showing their racist attitudes by trying to show us that they're not racist. It's disgraceful.
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Dobro Doggie You honestly believe that if you walked into an airport and displayed a digital clock inside a case like the one this kid had, you wouldn't have airport security all over you. You're just being intentionally obtuse. He unscrewed 5 or 6 screws to loosen up the insides of a digital clock and then screwed it back into the insides of enlarged pencil and notebook leather type case. Now that took some read genius. That's not a science project and normally he wouldn't get anymore than a C for his efforts. You know as well as anyone and don't pretend that you don't that students have been bringing weapons into American schools and killing kids. There have been talks of pipe bombs in Columbine and he made something that resembled a countdown clock for a bomb. Kids are being expelled for pretending to shoot others with their fingers and this kid makes what could be mistaken for a bomb. I don't know why he did it but I don't really know why Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris killed 13 people and wounded 24 more, either. People get nervous when kids start pretending to have guns and if a kid brings a contraption that might be mistaken for a bomb to school, someone will get upset, rightly or wrongly. It happens all over the US and students are dealt with harshly when they do stupid stunts like that. Klebold and Harris were one 1 year older that this kid. One year....so don't pretend that it's impossible. I'm not sure what you're rambling on about concerning public and private schools. I showed you this link to show you what kinds of real projects high school kids were doing and they are in a different stratosphere of ability and effort over some kid moving the guts of a clock from one container to another. He was told to put it away and he wouldn't. Why....who knows but he finally got called on it and it was because the teachers felt that it strongly resembled a clock mechanism for a bomb. It was the media that made a big deal of it and they're as much to blame for this stupidity, actually a lot more, as this kid is. And Obama actually added to the foolishness by pretending that this was an outstanding science project. It was a joke and the projects that I showed that other high school kids did proves it.
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I've watched this video for the 3rd time. It encapsulates every discussion I've ever had with a radical leftist. I say something and then they throw back what they just heard, which is completely different than what I just said. Conspiracy types like to do that as well. This video should be textbook material for every debate class. It's absolutely brilliant. It's like someone wrote a satirical piece....yet it's real. Nothing stranger than the truth.
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That interviewer wanted to get away from the clock boy topic in a big hurry. I'm sure he didn't want to hear what Dawkins had to say on that. Comical in that it was so obvious.
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TMan786 What fact is he not comprehending?
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Jordie0001 That's the big issue with Islam and why they're not outraged. They know that the Koran calls unbelievers the lowest of creatures and if they were to be outraged at the Pakistani grooming gangs, they'd have to explain that attitude and that puts them in danger of criticising the Koran. That is absolutely forbidden. So they keep their mouth shut. Can't be a blasphemer if you say nothing.
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