Comments by "Jack Haveman" (@JackHaveman52) on "The media continues to launch its attacks on Sarah Sanders" video.

@burny6666 I'd like to hear one of those lies. Give me an example.
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@lisahardy9707 I may as well ask you, too. Give an example of her lying. Just curious.
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@lisahardy9707 I don't care what date. You called her a liar. Give me an example, just one to start, of a lie that she told. You must know of one. You wouldn't call her a liar without a reason.......would you?
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@evanwest4751 Trump didn't promote violence at his rallies. He said that if anyone saw a person that was about to throw a tomato at his rally to forcibly stop them from doing so. That's not a promotion of violence. She didn't say that the FBI was pushing for Comey to leave. She said that individual FBI agents, not the FBI, had lost confidence in Comey, not nearly the same thing. She also recanted that statement. I'm not sure what pieces I'm to put together here. Are you saying that this proves collusion or something? Politicians lie. Now there's a shocker. You'll go down in history for that discovery and revelation.
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@burny6666 I asked for an example and you've spent more time explaining why you don't have to that then it would have taken to give me that example. Why are you avoiding this? I can't figure that out. Don't you have an example? You're so sure that she's a liar yet you won't give me an example. You want me to go to a press conference, listen to something she said and then determine if it's a lie or not. Maybe it's a mistake on her part. Mistakes aren't lies. If it isn't a lie or mistake, I have to do it all over again with something else she said. That's ridiculous. You said she was a liar. Now back it up with some facts and evidence. If you don't have a good specific example, just be honest and say so. It's like arguing with a flat earther that keeps telling me to do the research. You're so sure that she's a liar that you won't even give me an example. That's as illogical as it gets.
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@burny6666 I'm not trying to start a debate. You said she was a liar. You must have a reason for saying this and I'm assuming that you know what that reason is. All I'm doing is asking for an example. You must have one or else why would you call her a liar. Hiding behind the current consensus argument shows me that you're just parroting what what others have claimed and you've never questioned it. You're suffering from a logical fallacy. I could go through one hundred things that she said and prove everyone of them to be true and I've still not proved that she's not a liar. The reason for that is quite simple. It could be the 101st thing that was said that was the lie or the 110th or the 150th. I could never be satisfied that I looked deep enough. I'd have to examine EVERYTHING that she's ever said to prove that she's not a liar and that's impossible. That's why one is assumed innocent until proven guilty. You don't and quite often can never prove innocence. You can only prove guilt. I would say that to claim that she's a liar, you have the evidence. That's logical and the correct way to prove allegations. If you can't do it or refuse to do it, I have to question why and one possibility is that you don't have the evidence. Also, I'd lay money on it that everyone on the planet has lied at one point so your claim is one that carries no value. It could only carry real value if she openly and brazenly said something that she knew was false and then double down on that falsehood. Has she ever done that? If yes, show me how it's a lie and that she knew that it was a lie. If you can't prove it to me, you can't prove it to yourself and your claim is invalid.
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@evanwest4751 You really can't see that the person that is about to throw a tomato is the violent one? Honestly? Are you also going to try and tell me that if he does throw a tomato at someone, that the security team that forcibly escorts him out and off to jail are also the violent ones, not the tomato thrower. If I had a tomato and was about to throw it at your mother, would you be the violent one if you tried to stop me? REALLY? You have a funny way at looking at violence. The guy throwing the tomato is the victim and the person that tries to prevent it from happening is the violent one. That's a brand new form of justice. There is no law that says she has to have a given amount of press conferences per year. That's totally up to the president and his press secretary. Besides, who'd want to hold a press conference these days. Most of the reporters aren't asking questions. They're making accusations. Many of them are just variations of "Have you stopped beating your wife?" type of questions. It gets rather tiring after awhile. As for Trump being accessible, try twitter. He's on there all the time. She lied about Comey and she admitted it. In the history of mankind, I've never heard of a person that was perfect. I doubt that Sanders will be the first one. I know that our leaders are going to things that aren't right. I don't judge on that alone. I judge the body of work. Judging with perfection as a standard, would mean that I could demonise everyone. It would be an impossible standard.
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@burny6666 You're the one that said that she was a liar. You're the one that should be able to tell me where she's an habitual liar and how you arrived at that conclusion. You're taking the easy route and basically telling me that the accusation should stand until I can prove otherwise. I could watch press conferences all day and not find what you claim is there and it doesn't prove that she's not a liar. All it proves is that I haven't watched them all. Our system of law and our sense of decency demands that we're innocent until proven guilty. It is illogical and unethical to issue an accusation and that let that statement be the accepted position. You have to prove yourself correct and it must be beyond a shadow of doubt.
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@MrKGatl A few minutes later, he said that he meant that those who believed in the 2nd Amendment would be voting as a block and would vote for him. He claims that is what he meant. It isn't a clear cut call to assassinate anyone unless one wants to believe that narrative and refuses to believe anything else. Also, it wasn't a member of the media that was sucker punched. It was a protester. How did the guy know that he was a protester? Because the guy was being, in his words, a "loudmouth". In other words he was disrupting the rally. Trump said, when asked about it, that his people were looking into paying his legal fees. Not a good idea but if I went to Democrat rally wearing a MAGA hat, I'd be attacked. As a matter of fact, there are incidents of people attacking those in MAGA hats almost every week, not the other way around. Chris Cuomo of CNN has even said that Antifa is fighting the good fight. Anyone that thinks that Antifa doesn't use violent tactics isn't paying attention. That's a clear cut call to violence from a journalist. Also, look at the violent rhetoric directed at the Covington kids, basically for wearing MAGA hats. Lots more violence for the opposition to Trump than the other way around. There was even a well known entertainer that wanted to blow up the White House and another one holding up an effigy Trump's severed head. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.
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@MrKGatl The vast majority are from the extreme right. Almost all those who lean conservative don't belong with the White Supremacists or Nazis. They're a very law and order crowd. These extreme right winger are more apt to commit the more violent crimes because they generally support gun ownership more than the left. Therefore the more extreme violence comes from the right. Another thing the left does is that anything that appears to be a little off is called violence. "It's ok to be white" signs are hate crimes. A 12 year old kid draws a swastika, on a school yard with chalk, is also deemed a hate crime. The extreme left sees this as violence, which is ridiculous, especially in the case of the sign. Now, even the OK gesture is a hate crime.....more violence. Yet it's the left, that commit physical attacks that aren't as deadly. Punching those in MAGA hats. Using pepper and bear spray, disrupting traffic and banging on cars, setting fires, stealing property, blocking entry to right wing speaking events and so on. It's pointless, however, to turn it into a contest. No matter what extremist is doing the violence, right or left, it should be called out. NO exceptions. We both should be calling out that type of political violence and stop turning it into a game of "who's the worst". Most people are left leaning or right leaning and aren't into the violence. It's the extremists that are the problem and they live on both sides of the political spectrum. Even you believe that when you said "most" violence comes from the right. That implies it comes from the left as well.
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