Comments by "Jack Haveman" (@JackHaveman52) on "Project Veritas GOT EM, Hospital Now Comes Clean But Tries Smearing O'Keefe After Being Caught" video.

@Fact Checker Are you saying that, in another 8 weeks, it will be 40 million dead? That's the logical and mathematical conclusion of exponential growth. There will be more deaths, but it won't be exponential. It's impossible. Pandemics run a course. It always has throughout history. Once enough people, a percentage of the population, have been exposed to the disease, in a given area, the new infected cases decrease dramatically. The flattening of the curve is designed, not to decrease overall exposure, but to spread that exposure over a longer period of time so hospitals aren't driven to over capacity. That's what would have caused higher death rates. So far, the US has been very successful at keeping cases below the capacity line and flattening the curve.
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@elscorcho4158 Sorry buddy. I know people that have had the virus. It's real. However, they're overreacting to the threat. The curve has been flattened. Time to ease the lockdown and get back to work.
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@justinkirschenman2232 It's hard to judge something that did not happen. I agree that the early models were flawed, the biggest flaw being that they really had no idea of the death rate or that most people would only get mild reactions to the virus. The lockdown would have decreased exposure enough to flatten a curve. All you do is spread the infection rates out, basically extending the natural course of the disease over a longer period of time.
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@bLackmarketRadio The 2 people I know, had the virus. They had all the symptoms, exactly as described. As for how much is written down, mistakenly as the virus, we don't know and neither you or I can ever say what the number is. What I can tell you is that every epidemic in history runs it course. Even the really bad ones, like the Black Death, Smallpox, Malaria, typhoid, the Spanish flu and others, they all fizzled out. They have to or the human race would have been wiped out by now. That's always been the standard course of an epidemic. If you can control the number of cases so the hospitals aren't overwhelmed, you can save a lot of lives. We've done that and that phase of fighting the disease is done. Now we have to get back to normal, understanding that there will be more cases. What's happening now, is pure politics where one side wants to open and the other is using the crisis for their own ideological agenda. That's what we have to fight, we meaning, the average person. Advancing conspiracy theories, that can never be proven, doesn't help a thing. This isn't even an overly dangerous disease when compared to the great epidemics of history. The media is just pushing bad news for ratings. They just love a good crisis. If they don't have one, they'll make it up. Don't let them do it because they're the ones that are the problem, not the big conspiracies. Media loves ratings and a crisis gets that for them.
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@bLackmarketRadio If they have the symptoms and the tests show Covid, you likely have Covid. Manipulating numbers does NOT mean that that it always happens. You're changing a possibility, in a specific case, to be a certainty. That's illogical. Basically saying that ALL cases are faked and the virus doesn't exist at all.
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@bLackmarketRadio Of course they're paying me. Now you're starting to sound exactly like the flat earthers that I've talked to online. I never ONCE said that they weren't including non Covids as Covids. I said that we have NO idea how prevalent that it is. There is no way for you or me to know this. This might work just great in a country like the US, where hospitals are private and run like businesses and they see an opportunity to get government funds. However, in the countries that have socialised health care, like EVERY country in Europe, it makes no difference. They already get that money from the government because it's government owned and run and no one makes a profit off it. Yet, their numbers, per capita, are HIGHER than the US numbers. Italy, France, Spain and the UK are all in that category. So, to say that this is a big factor, worldwide, is looking at it through a myopic American lens. There are also countries where healthcare is poor and people don't have access to medical care. How many of them are getting the disease and can't get to a doctor and never get counted. What about countries that deflate the numbers to look good? The US situation is just one facet of this crisis. The disease exists. Instead of going off on a suspicion that you can't prove in a substantial way, start pressuring your local politician to start easing off on the restrictions. Don't go all squirrelly with accusations and overt threats. Just let it be known that if they don't start to ease off, you won't vote for them come election time. Politicians want votes, especially Democrats. Saying that some guy on the internet is getting paid to say things puts you in the category of people to laugh at. Don't be that guy. We're on the same side. I WANT the restrictions eased. I want it badly. I just don't go off all half cocked with theories. I see it as a political ploy by Democrats, in an attempt to make Republicans look like greedy capitalists and they'd love nothing more than a total economic collapse and a huge death count so to pin the blame on Republicans. I repeat. I WANT TO END THE LOCKDOWN. It's what I've been saying all along. The curve has been flattened. Let's acknowledge it and let's GET BACK TO WORK.
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@stupendous7848 It wasn't bad until Trump began to talk about reopening the economy and getting back to normal. That's when the Democrats started howl and the Draconian rules really started to come out and it was only in blue states. Had we done things the way the task force, as a whole, wanted to do things, the transition to normal would have been smooth. However, the Democrats don't want to lose that kind of power over their subjects. They want to remake American to fit into their own view of how a country should be and they'll use the virus to accomplish it. ......and they're going to fail....miserably.
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@justinkirschenman2232 As far as we know, you're right about the flu. However, the flu also runs a natural course. Once a strand of flu has been exposed to a certain percentage of the population, the number of new cases go down very quickly. The germ finds it harder and harder to find people that haven't already been exposed to that strain and begins to starve itself out. The one thing we have never done is try to flatten the curve of the flu, mainly because we believe we know the average death rate of the flu. We didn't really know the death rate of Covid until we were well into it.
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@justinkirschenman2232 Automation is near the threat that many think it is. 150 years ago, almost everyone worked in agriculture in one capacity or another. When the industrial age started, people were going on about automation then as well. In England, the Luddites were going around protesting and even destroying mills because they believed that they were taking away their jobs and way of life. Automation will change things but they don't have to hurt us, no more than the industrial revolution hurt the people of the 19th Century. The lockdown has become political and it's the Democrats that are doing everything they can to keep us locked down as long as they can. It's the Republicans that are opening up the Red states and Trump has said, over and over, that we have to get back to work. The best way to get back to work is to let your politicians, especially the Democrats, know that you can guarantee that you won't vote for them come election time, if they don't start to ease restrictions. Another is to let everyone you know that the curve has been flattened and explain about the natural progressions of epidemics and avoid the conspiracy theories. Just facts. It's all about appearing sensible. As for vaccinations, you don't have to get one if you don't want to. There will be enough with acquired immunity through having it, natural immunity and those who do get vaccinated, for the herd immunity to have a positive effect. The more that get vaccinated, the better, though.
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@justinkirschenman2232 You've proven that it happened, ONCE. Once, way back in early February. You haven't proven that it's an ongoing problem and that every new manufacturer is going through the EXACT same issue. In fact, new testing systems have been developed since then, including the 5 minute, on site tests. They've gone through FDA approval for use as has the other new test kit sources. I once had a car accident. That doesn't prove that I get into a car accident every day. Prove that it happens all the time and that it's still an issue, THEN you'd have a point. It's as if you're saying that once you have a problem, you can NEVER solve it....EVER. What a negative and defeatist way of looking at things. We solve problems all the time. In fact, that's the main challenge of life. Addressing issues and finding solutions for it when discovered.
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@justinkirschenman2232 Ok. I give up. We don't make tests anymore. In fact, if you do get sick, don't go to the doctor. How could you trust him? He gets his orders from the CDC. Whatever you do, don't take any test that they want to perform on you. No matter what it is or what it's for. There's no reasoning with paranoid people. All I can say is, never allow any testing done on you. It's poison. If you can't trust them with a Covid test, how can you trust them with any test...anything they say? I'm looking at my smallpox vaccination scar right now, grateful that I escaped that death trap alive.
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@kingghidorah7104 How do I know if I have the flu? Or a cold. They've told us what the specific symptoms are. If you have those symptoms, they test you. If the tests prove positive, both that and the symptoms, you likely have the virus. Just because there have been false positives, doesn't mean that EVERY one is a false positive. There has to be a little common sense applied, too. They had something that made them sick, short of breath, pain when breathing, coughing, headaches and a fever that just didn't seem to want to go away. That sounds like Covid. The doctors treated it the way that Covid is treated and now both of them are better.
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@kingghidorah7104 80%?? You'll have to give evidence of that claim. I haven't heard of anything like that.
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@justinkirschenman2232 What do you mean, Covid tests contaminated with Covid? Where did you hear that? I'd need a reference to that.
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@justinkirschenman2232 It doesn't even make sense. If you're sick, you get tested. You don't get tested if you're not sick. How would you know if the test made you sick if you're sick already.
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@justinkirschenman2232 Repeating that the tests are contaminated with the Covid virus isn't proof that it's so. You have to prove it through references. You haven't done that and I've never heard of any reports that said that this was true.
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@justinkirschenman2232 I didn't see the comment where you sent that link. Youtube never notified me of it. I had to upload all the comments and scroll down before I saw it. A YouTube glitch. So, I read your reference. It says that this happened in February. There were hardly any cases in February. The case load didn't really take off until early March. This was a reason that they were unable to do the testing that was needed at first. They had to resolve that problem and your reference even said that they did all the way back in February. By the time they did that, it was too late and your article that's what forced the social distancing call in mid March. It may have been a factor in February but this is May. Test kits are manufactured under different standards and by many more manufacturing sources. They didn't even have the on site tests developed yet, back in February. A lot different situation in April, then it was if February. Just because it happened in early February, doesn't make it a factor, through March, April and halfway through May. Your article even says it was discovered and fixed in February.
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@justinkirschenman2232 First of all, this article doesn't state whether the tainted test kits were discovered in the field or as a part of an in house quality control check. That makes a difference. Also, to say that this is still happening requires proof. It also implies that there is no quality control whatsoever in this industry, even from the new companies that have gotten into new testing kits. Also, I've watch numerous press conferences. The press was continuously haranguing Trump, at first, for the lack of tests and that initially they weren't that good. Trump has acknowledged it. Then why, when testing is approaching 10 million, aren't the press haranguing him about these test tainted with Covid viruses. I've NEVER heard that and it would be a good one to go after him for. Why would I trust these people to make the vaccines? Maybe, it's because it's not only these people that are working on the vaccines. There are labs all over the world working on them. Different labs, everywhere. It's just not American suppliers. The US is a big country but it's not the centre of the universe. Also, why would you trust any drug you take that these people make? Why would you trust the food you eat that these people produce? Bad food can kill you, too. It's a poor argument and you prove it every time you go to the grocery store or drug store.
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@justinkirschenman2232 That's it finally. You make claims and then you want ME to prove it for you. It's not how science works, or the law or academics. It's not how humanity has achieved anything of value. It's also a question of integrity. If you claim something or make an accusation, you should have the integrity to prove that claim or accusation. Your claim is no different than the made up claims against Trump. If you can't back it up it's just talk, old lady gossip. It's how flat earthers operate.
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@justinkirschenman2232 They can't be trusted because they made a mistake???? Really? EVERYONE makes mistakes. This wasn't intentional. Why is it that ONLY this mistake can NEVER....EVER be rectified. It's illogical. It happened at the very beginning. Now, there are many more companies involved not just the 3 original companies and the FDA has found the CDC protocols were insufficient to prevent the infected tests. Those protocols have been updated. NEW companies are making the tests. NEW COMPANIES. These tests were developed and manufactured a month after the initial tests were to be found to be infected. Are you seriously saying that these new manufacturers are ALSO making infected tests? Making them and NO ONE is saying a WORD about it because the press would rather make stuff up? This is beyond ridiculous and you're just using this argument to bolster an preconceived agenda. Like I said, why would you trust anything that ANYONE makes for human consumption? We're talking in circles and you refuse to admit that this is the example is proof that there can only be ONE outcome in the manufacture of vaccines. Bad vaccines. It's like saying that because some Tylenol capsules were laced with poison in 1982, we should never, EVER, take another pain reliever again because pain relief manufacturers can't be trusted now. It's beyond ridiculous.
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