Comments by "Jack Haveman" (@JackHaveman52) on "TheDC Shorts"
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LeJon Brames
NO!!!! He was a man that was a product of his times. Our ancestors did terrible things because of the realities of life as they had to live it. Not just Columbus but YOUR ancestors as well. It's not written down in history books because your ancestors, like mine, didn't do anything extraordinary, never changed the course of history in great leaps like Columbus did. However, if we were to get into some kind of time machine to examine what our ancestors have done or believed, we'd be amazed to find out just how horrible they were at times.
This young man hasn't even began to live his life, yet he sits in judgement over those that he doesn't fully understand, that none of us will fully understand. What he's doing is exactly what some of the worst of moralists have done. He's dismissing people as evil when he has no right to do that. Also, he's taken the first step in dismissing that individual, Columbus as an example, and wanting to erase that person from history. That is the intermediary step to the one where we erase those, who are living today, that we feel might share similar views and lives to the one we've vilified in history. That's how the horrors start. It is the attempt to eradicate the evil around us when the evil that we should be eradicating is the evil that lies within us. Recognise that and you recognise the lessons of history.
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CHIEF TAHCHAWWICKAH
I don't even know what you're right about. I know that it was wrong to force a group of people onto a reservation. I'll concede that. However, I know that they don't have to stay there. I know that for a fact.
So, now that this has been settled, why would a continuous harangue of white folk, well over 100 years ago, make things better today? It would no different than me, yelling at Germans, because the Nazi soldiers near starved my mother to death. THE WAR IS OVER!!!! It serves nothing to hate them over it. In fact, I've worked with guys who were in the SS. We both acknowledged what happened and how horrible it was and it's OVER NOW.
Time to get over the bitterness, anger and resentment. It helps no one. Not the Comanche, in your case, or my relatives on my mother's side, in my case. It just prolongs the angst. Unless this is what you want...I guess go for it but don't expect people to take it because they won't.
But, I'm sure that I'm right about you. You have NO idea what I'm talking about. You're just angry and you don't want to let go of it. Why a person would want to live like that is beyond me.
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@grahamyates2490
Columbus set into motion a defining moment in human history.....arguably one of the most defining moments in history. The fact the he went through all the work, the pleading of his case to different governments, the privations and enemies he made in Europe, his dogged determination to go to eastern Asia by sailing west was a momentous undertaking. That he even got the ships to do what he was proposing was quite a feat. When he found the islands in the Caribbean, that was the beginning of a new era for all mankind. Everyone of us has been affected by what was set in motion that day. We can quibble about his motives but the fact that he had the courage, determination and fore sight to accomplish this is why he is being elevated to a hero's status.
However, he was human, as well. That means that he had faults, like you, like me, like everyone else on this planet. He had to fight the inner demons just like the rest of us do. In spite of that, he was still one of the most important people that has ever lived.
I can't speak for the young guy's motives, either, but what I do know is that his questioning is always the first step to vilification. It's not the questions in themselves but the tone of those questions. He clearly doesn't see Columbus as a hero and can't understand why we'd honour his great accomplishment.....because it IS a great accomplishment. When describing Columbus to someone who has never heard of him before, it's that accomplishment that you describe. You don't start off by talking about his faults. He's remembered by his great discovery. The rest is details that describes the humanity that was in him. If you ignore the discovery, you're erasing this aspect of history because without his voyages, Columbus would just be another forgotten individual, like the rest of us.
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