Comments by "Jack Haveman" (@JackHaveman52) on "TIKhistory"
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@MegaBanne
I didn't say that you don't value hard work. I'm saying that the system, that you're recommending, encourages those who do NOT value hard work, to do what they really want to do and that's is nothing. They want the hard work that I do and maybe even you, to benefit them. It encourages envy and resentment and discourages those who would normally want to be the best and see some reward for their efforts but all they get is a pat on the head and thanks for what can be taken from them.
Also, Karl Marx didn't invent socialism, only his own brand of that ideology. There's been different iterations of it and EVERY one of them has failed. Why? Because it looks for the failures, the victims of the systems and then uses more and more of the over all resources to fill the needs of those who either can't or refuse to fill their own needs.
My neighbour was born with enormous physical difficulties. Yet he never let that keep him down. I know who can do a lot more work than what he can in a day the do SQUAT, yet my neighbour worked everyday at a supermarket doing odd jobs that needed to be done. One arm was shorter than the other, his hand was all twisted and nearly useless except as a stabilizer. He had a severe limp that he was born with and his parents were told, when he was born, that he'd be better off in a home, that he'd never be able to look after himself. Yet, I'd see him when I went shopping struggling with the shopping carts, never complaining, or trying to sweep up the mess on aisle 3 even though it was really difficult to hold a broom. Yet, this guy REFUSED handouts. He had children, bought a home and refused to allow himself to be treated as a victim. To me, he's one of the toughest guys that I've ever known.
Yet, there are fully grown men, who couldn't hold down a job to save their lives. They're always looking for ways to beat the system and there are more and more of them everyday because the system tells them that they can't get ahead because of bigotry, or unfairness or high prices or something. They rob from all of us who value hard work, even from handicapped men, like my neighbour who has a REAL work ethic, to placate their own lack of motivation or ambition.
This is why socialism doesn't work. It rewards those with little to no integrity. It robs from those who do and gives to those who don't. It's a recipe for failure and will only result in more and more people giving up and trying to find the same loopholes so they can do little or nothing as well.
It's a race to the bottom.
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@MegaBanne
"There will be no need for hard work.
Just the necessary work."
That's the most ridiculous thing that I've ever heard. If I have a natural ability to play hockey, just showing up to play won't make me among the best in the world. I have to work my butt off, exercise, watch my weight, develop skills...the harder I work at it, the more likely I will attain my dreams. Musicians are the same. They play that guitar, violin or piano at every opportunity possible. They study and play, play and study. If they don't work hard at it, they'll never excel at it.
That goes the same for being a carpenter, shoe maker, engineer or doctor. Hard work drives success. Getting by on what one deems necessary won't get you anywhere.
There's a reason why Asians have the highest household incomes in America. It's the LACK of laziness. They work long, hard hours and will NOT compromise with "doing only what's necessary".
That clip I outlined is the most profound statement of a commitment to mediocrity.
YOU are living in a dreamland.
Then you say "Everyone will have to do their basic work."
So the overlord will tell what to do and when to do it. It's not up to the individual. it's up to whatever vague figure or body of people decides what their basic work should be.
More dreamland stuff.
It all sounds really great yet it's the capitalist west that has spawned the richest nations in world history. It's produced affluence for the average person that has NEVER been seen before. The only ones who fail are those who won't get off their butts, put down the video game controller and cell phone and go to work. They're living off the avails of those of us work 50 to 60 work weeks and then complain that they don't have enough.
Once again, you're living in a dreamland.
Show me ONE nation that has a socialist style governance that has ever the affluence that these capitalist nations have. They don't exist.
Capitalism is the freedom to make your own life. It's up to the individual. It's the "spread the wealth" types that destroy the initiative and the pride of a hard days work and the feeling of achievement that goes with it. There's no such thing as "doing what's necessary". That's just spinning your wheels and eventually you give up because you're going nowhere.
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