Comments by "Jack Haveman" (@JackHaveman52) on "John Stossel"
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@kulturfreund6631
"Well, spend a thought on the fact that the wealth/gains on one side are the poverty /losses on the other side."
No...it's not. In fact, the reality is just the opposite. The US has more millionaires than all of Africa and South America combined and I can guarantee you one thing. There are no American refugees heading to those 2 continents looking for a better life. Refugees are all going the other way. I can also guarantee you that most people don't want to live the way they do in those 2 continents and their dream is to live as we do in the industrialised west.
The statement you just made highlights one huge fallacy. It's the fallacy that suggests that there is a big pile of money that's available and we're all in a game of "grab the cash" that's sitting in the middle of the table. It's not how accruing wealth works. Wealth is accrued through the creation of end products of value, from raw materials that have no initial value. This is converted into a cash value, a system that makes exchange a much simpler way of distributing the wealth that has been created. The more produce that one can create that has value to others, the more wealth that he can accrue, but he has to be able to sell it.
People have to want it. That makes is a free exchange. The customer looking for a product and a producer providing him with the product that he wants. A free and open market. From that system, some will do better than others and some will fail but those that fail, miserably, those drug addicts and mentally challenged street people of LA, as an example, have removed themselves from that open market. Not through any fault of their own, but they're no longer contributing to society and they're not reaping the rewards that the others do. Even the simplest cave dweller has to go out to hunt in order to eat. It's a reality of life.
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@hsuyaarchives2526
There were all kinds of wars in ancient India. There's the Battle of the Ten Kings (c. 14th century BCE). The Kurukshetra War which is the foundation of Bhagavad Gita. The Kosala-Kashi war
(c. 650 BCE). The Kosala conquest of Gaṇasaṅgha (c. 600 to 550 BCE). Gandhāra-Avanti war
(c. 575 BCE). Magadha-Anga war (c. 535 BCE. There's lots more and this is LONG before Christianity or Islam. Then there was the horrific caste system that was alive until the British tried to outlaw it but its remnants still remain. Then there was Sati, the ritualistic burning of widows whether they liked it or not.....something else the British succeeded in outlawing. The Sanskrit Laws of Manu of the 1st century bce describes slavery and slaves were the lowest of the low, right beside the untouchables.
My point is that the people of India are people just like people anywhere else in the world. They loved, killed, built and destroyed, just like any other group of people. That's the legacy of humanity.
Viewing history should't be a contest, to see who's the worst and conversely, who's the best....sort of like an Olympic sport where we hand out gold, silver and bronze medals. The bronze medal winners in warring is no better than the gold medal winners. They wanted to win just as much as the gold medal winners, but for some reason, they just weren't as successful. That doesn't make them any better. It makes them human.
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@kulturfreund6631
You can't destabilise a country if that country hasn't the mindset that allows destabilisation. The hatred has to be in them to be used against each other. It's a weakness of the nations that you say are prey to the destabilisation and all it does is lay blame upon blame upon blame and it's ALWAYS the other guys fault.
For once, it would be nice if one of those countries would just say that they're not going to fall for these machinations. Just say that they're responsible for their own actions and not everything is someone else's fault. Until they look within themselves and say "We can change our future" they will always be prey to dictators and outside interference. It's like an abused child. It's the fault of the abuser that he's abused but it's his own doing if he can't rise above it as an adult.
Also, the Middle East was held for only a short time by European interests. It was the Ottoman Empire that controlled the area for almost 400 years until they lost WW1 in 1918. Most of the area was held for only 30 years by Europe before they all became independent. That includes Iraq.
Also, if corrupt governments allow corporate interests to break the law, that's not the fault of Capitalism. It's the fault of corruption and the lack of respect for the rule of law. The US is NOT a fascist state. Fascist states are rooted in nationalist socialist ideas and a one party system, ruled by dictators and supported by his henchmen. That's NOT the US. There are problems but there's not a nation yet conceived that hasn't had it's issues. It's a problem of humanity.
Overall, the people living in the Capitalist west, the US, Canada, western Europe, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand and Hong Kong have the best living standards in human history. A standard that is the envy of the world and we should be encouraging other nations to follow the same work ethic and ideas of free markets and the rule of law. It's NOT perfect but nothing ever will be. It's the best that we've ever had, though and the only way to improve on it is to encourage the respect for the law and hard work that brought us the living standard that we have now.
Isn't it strange that the only country in Central America, where things are half decent, is a country that has had stable government and there is a strong commitment to the law and free enterprise. That's Costa Rica and they're very proud of how they've avoided the pitfalls of the countries around them. Like I said, you don't have to fall prey to corrupt corporations and politicians if there is a social mindset that rejects it. It only flourishes when you allow others to tell you who they should blame.
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billythedog
Peterson did not lie about that law. The law was Bill C-16 and it was to follow the guidelines set in the Ontario Human Rights Act. This was to be a guide, not a law, and as such was open to interpretation. There was wording in that Act that could have been interpreted in such a way that a refusal to use gender based pronoun could be interpreted as discriminatory against transgender people. Peterson said that the wording of the legislation was against a person right to not use speech that they didn't want to and if, IF, in capital letters, anyone tried to force him to use any speech, he would refuse. He then said that they could try to force him to use compelled speech by citing this law and the Ontario Human Rights Act by saying that refusal to use that speech was an act of discrimination. If, the word "if" is important here, this was used against him, he would refuse to pay any fines levied against him if that law was interpreted against him.
Hundreds signed petitions against him. He never said he wouldn't use them if negotiated on a one to one basis, but he would refuse if compelled using any legislation but in particular, this one. That was enough to spark the outrage of the masses. One year later, Lindsey Shepherd was told she may have broken a law just showing a clip of a debate Peterson was involved with on an Ontario public TV station. They actually believed that was against the law. Where did they get this idea? From the very legislation that Peterson had argued was wrong.
So, then......who DID lie? Obviously, it wasn't Peterson. If he lied, then why would someone think that Shepherd had broken the law by just showing a debate on gender based pronouns? It was because the Ontario Human Rights Act suggested that she was being discriminatory by even suggesting that it may be a human rights problem to compel speech. It was being interpreted in that way.
He didn't lie at all and if you're really interested, I will even find the sections that deal with it and show them to you.
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Roger King
First of all, it's NOT my country. The world doesn't revolve around the US. Neither did the Atlantic slave trade. More Africans were brought to the Caribbean, Central America, Brazil, Venezuela, and other Southern Nations than the US. So, your 70 million does not apply to the country that you so mistakenly call "my country". It applies to the entire New World. The US is only a part of the New World. Everyone was involved in the slave trade. Europeans, Africans, even Arabs were involved. European mostly traded for slaves but it was the Africans that went into the interior, raided villages and captured slaves for the Atlantic slave trade. So there was fighting but I was not referring to that specific trade when I made that statement. Countries have gone to war for thousands of years and quite often the losers were carried away as slaves. The Romans did this for centuries when they went to northern Europe and after defeating people there, captured them to sell off as slaves back in Rome, some going into the gladiator pits. Even in the Americas, indigenous people would do the same, the most famous being the Aztecs, who would use the slaves for ritualistic human sacrifices.
America became independent in 1783. Before that it was a British colony. 20 years later, the Atlantic slave trade to the US was stopped, in 1807, to be specific. The slave trade was slowly dying in the US, with strong abolitionist movements in the North and the Republican Party was a very strong Abolitionist party formed to fight slavery. It was a slow progression but it DID happen, yet you refuse to give any credit to the hundreds of thousands of European Americans that worked hard and sacrificed it all to end slavery, and 600,000 people did die in that Civil War. It was white American Abolitionists that drew the ire of the south and caused the Civil War, a war that ended slavery. No kudos from you, though for the sacrifice of the Abolitionists or the Government of the US for supporting them.
You'd rather draw the line in the sand and keep up the hate.
Over 90 percent of the slaves went to the Caribbean, Brazil and Latin America. Only 6 percent went to British North America. Plantations in the Caribbean were huge compared to American plantations and death rates were much higher due for the slaves there than it was in the US. Like it or not, "my country" was not the main recipient of the African slave trade.
https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-now/historical-context-facts-about-slave-trade-and-slavery
Read this and read it all. It gives a rounded description of the African slave trade, without the emotionalism and anger that people like you want to inject into the conversation. Also the numbers weren't 70 million slaves brought to the New World. It was closer to 10 to 12 million and 600,000 of those went to the US.
https://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/how-many-slaves-landed-in-the-us/
Read this. It confirms the numbers given in the other reference I've given.
Slavery didn't start with the African slave trade but it was the greatest in numbers and scope. Slavery had been in existence for thousands of years even mentioned in the Bible. That was long before the European settling of the Americas and even any kind of real knowledge of Northern Europe.
I'm not defending slavery either. Another fallacy people like you want to make in your attempt to show moral superiority and maintain the hate in your hearts. I'm saying that slavery is a part of HUMAN history and has been for thousands of years. Pointing fingers and laying blame solves nothing. Anger and hate solves nothing. You'd think that someone who would quote the Bible would know that. "Love the neighbour". It doesn't say to "Love the neighbour except for those who's ancestors might have had slaves." There is no qualification in that admonishment.
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@kulturfreund6631
Boyle, a left wing, anti-semitic conspiracy guy. He's one of those guys who crop up at every crisis like this and starts on about how this is all part of some nefarious plot by the powers that rule the world, invariably all Zionists.
He has some points that are worth listening to, especially concerning the war in Lebanon but this video is a mishmash of "may haves" and "it would appears". If this were true, why isn't the information in the papers that he showed the highlights from, available to all and to the media at large? I'm not even close to convinced and no matter what, the plague started in Wuhan, China and spread from there.
I just don't have enough information to know whether this is the only such lab in China or whether there are many more. If more, than no matter what happens, there would likely be a lab close by that would validate his theories. He just hasn't involved any other real solid voices to lend credence to anything he's saying.
We need a lot more evidence than what he's presented. I don't like to engage in gossip. My neighbour, when I was growing up, was a gossip and I didn't like her one bit.
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@harmgregory4560
NO.....we're tired of being told by a bunch of elitists, who've never grown a crop, except as a hobby, telling the farmers how to grow crops so we all have the food that we need. This "experiment" in Sri Lanka, shows just how delusional these elites can be. Sri Lanka stop the use of fertilisers, went to organic farming, and crops reduced by 50 to 60% and people went hungry. So now, you're advocating that we expand this, so we have even MORE starvation in the world. As if the globe trotting elites, who may have a few tomato plants in their back yard, are the experts who will lead us to greater crop yields and the end of hunger in the world.
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