Comments by "Emir" (@irongron) on "Силиконовый занавес"
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@buddyrojek9417 Look, this was going to happen maidan or no maidan, Putin revealed his malevolent imperial intent quite clearly - Ukraine is not a real country, Ukrainians don't exist as a nationality, they are "wayward russians", the Baltic's are historic russian lands too etc - not having The Maidan qould have only delayed it a few years, extrapolating your counter-factual, if Yanukovich was voted out and then a more Pro-European President initiated the EU accession, Putin would have tried to sabotage it again and failing that would have used force. In hindsight, given all Putin's imperial and anti-Western speeches before the re-invasion, these are clear indicators it was going to happen, whether or not the Maidan happened. The essay Putin wrote "On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians" was a dead giveaway of his intent. If you want to be fair dinkum, then this is how it would pan out.
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@cherienafo7676 Now there's a fair dinkum fluke, I moved to Ukraine from down under a decade ago. The Mrs is Ukrainian, but when I settled here it was in Donbas. The wife had a flat in Makiivka that she lost (it's now in the DNR), so I bought a flat in Pokrovsk to replace it, so Pokrovsk for me is my adopted Ukrainian home town, spent my entire time in Ukraine living there until we became IDP in west Ukraine (except for a few months in the DNR). I always hoped to go back one day, but, I think, that hope is now gone forever. I love Pokrovsk, it's a great Donetsk town, I will miss it dearly. It's getting strikes every day now and will end up like Mariupol, Bakhmut, Vuhledar or Vovchansk etc etc. 😥The 69th sniffing brigade is dong a lot of good work delivering vehicles here. Keep going to bat for us down under! Appreciate the kind words.
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When it comes to Ukraine's nukes, t's unfair to just single out President Clinton, it was George Bush senior who started that process and it was completed under the next administration. Interestingly Bush Senior's then SecDef Dick Cheney opposed removing the nukes from here. from the article - Deceit, Dread, and Disbelief: The Story of How Ukraine Lost Its Nuclear Arsenal - "In his memoirs and later interviews, Brent Scowcroft noted that then Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney vigorously opposed the removal of nuclear weapons from the newly independent states at Russia’s periphery. Though most of their personal papers on the subject remain classified, a memo to the National Security Advisor from March 1992 demonstrated that these disputes did not disappear. National Security Council staffer David Gompert titled it “Why We Must be Adamant about De-nuclearizing Ukraine.” He noted three major counterarguments: Ukrainian nuclear weapons will not threaten the U.S. as Russian nuclear weapons do, for the simple reason that Ukraine, unlike Russia, is not a serious potential adversary. It might even prove advantageous to us to see Russian power checked—and Russian nuclear weapons deterred—by a Ukraine with a minimal deterrent. In any case, we hurt ourselves with the Ukrainians by insisting that they be stripped of nuclear weapons while we legitimize those of their powerful neighbor."
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Regarding that early 2003 period Georgie spoke of, and how you mentioned it gave an insight into Putin;'s true nature early on, in 2000 not long after he came in, 6 months or whatnot, Putin banned a puppet show called "Kukliy" (it literally just means "Puppets"). This really was an indicator of what was to manifest in worse and worse displays of Soviet authoritarianism and dictatorship typical of his KGB roots.I remember reading at the time that this show used to make Putin livid with rage, He hated it as it mocked him regularly. haha. From an article about the shows demise....
"High-ranking officials have grumbled about the puppet show for years, but former president Boris Yeltsin, a frequent target of the show himself, always refused to allow it to be persecuted.
In 1995, Russia's prosecutor-general launched a criminal investigation against Kukly for "insulting" the president. But most politicians rallied to support the program, and the prosecutor was fired in disgrace.
Today, however, the political environment is radically different. Unlike his predecessor, Mr. Putin has never been a defender of the media. He has accused some journalists of being "traitors." Russian media outlets are under intense pressure to support the Kremlin. Several outlets, including NTV, have been caught in a crackdown. NTV is the only independent television channel with a national audience. It is also the only channel that refuses to follow the Kremlin's official line on the war in Chechnya and other issues. Its parent company, Media-MOST, was the target of a raid on May 11 by heavily armed police commandos wearing masks. The channel described the raid as an attempt to intimidate it into obedience."
.....and thus ended Kukliy......
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@betterdonotanswer THat's really interesting and thanks for the heads up about the etymology's of the meanings of craot (I'd never actually looked into it yet) and and " Sěverъ" is pheoneticaly similar to the way you'd say serb msybe. that's make me wonder if the y were the ones that became the Serbians (older slavic used to call them "Servians" , I' ver seen that version , bu it may have been a corruption but it does inerestingly bring icloser to Sever)) Yea, haha Craots are a lot more like Ukrainians than the other Balkan groups, one thing for sure, they never wanted to be part of Jugoslaija or( Greater Serbia!), just as the Ukrainians never wanted to be part of "Greater Russia" or the USSR.. Also very more nationalistic with their culture a cut abo ve and beyond most other slavic groups, just like thd Ukrainains. THeir politics of modern times lines up, whereas pther slavic groups dabbleld in communism Craots & Uke's hated it from day one and saw it as an abomination and never wanted any part of it, even just a little! anyway yea Croatians dont do the "ye" for "e" sounds and dont say the "o "sound as an "uh" like RUsisans and to some extent Serbains too do, which makes the "o "sound more like "a"......cheers for the heads up again, or shiould I say Hvala Lepo!
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