Comments by "William Cattr" (@williamcattr267) on "Trump ordered Iran strike, reversed course" video.
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Trump is all talk... hot wind and nothing more. Guy loves to hear
his own voice. "POTUS says he called off strike because of estimated death
toll", uh, yeah, Mr. President, people will die in an air strike, that is
a fact in case you didn’t know. Should have never scheduled it in the first
place if you don't have the guts to see it through.
Funny, the Dresden air raid in 1945 and 25,000 plus civilian
dead didn’t bother FDR, and Hiroshima didn’t bother Truman either. And nobody
in Washington lost a wink of sleep during operation “Rolling Thunder” in
Vietnam.
Yes, POTUS has proven himself a rhetoric-hungry buffoon once
again...
“Talk, talk, talk…” only emboldens our nation’s enemies.
My guess is if Trump went forward with the airstrike, it might damage his ability to build commercial properties in Iran after he leaves office.
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@tetrarhetoric7647
You wrote: “Ok so I think I understand what you are getting at in reference him making empty threats and I agree that is a major sign of weakness but I disagree that that applies to this situation. I don't think this was an empty threat because the fighter pilots had already been sent out when he had to call them back... “
Absolutely, it was an empty threat. POTUS spoke all that clap trap about “Cocked and Ready” and then sends out the pilots. No doubt the pilots had the resolve and courage to do their duty. However, POTUS was not up to it. As for the price of deploying the aircraft; I am sure it is pricey (though I do not know the cost). The second point of what you stated is an obvious contradiction. You stated, “…I agree that is a major sign of weakness…”I don’t thing this was an empty threat because the fight pilots had already been sent out when he had to call them back…”
What? Yes, that is a sure sign of weakness if ever there was one to be illustrated here. Fighter pilots were just obeying precise orders from their command.
POTUS choked...
You wrote, “And as for you NOT comparing an unmanned drone to Hiroshima and the Dresden bombings, this is a quote where you directly compared them whilst claiming he is all talk. "...Should have never scheduled it in the first place if you don't have the guts to see it through. Funny, the Dresden air raid 25,000 plus civilian(sic) dead didn't bother FDR, and Hiroshima didn't bother Truman either."
Thanks for presenting my quote and I stand by it.
Now for your quote, “This war we are in now is nothing compared to the carnage and loss of life during WW2 and any similarities that are there are weak or coincidental at best. (apparently The Iranian government is also gassing groups within their society) he made the right call by canceling the order. The response was disproportional to the offense committed. No one died, the drone couldn’t be identified as American if im not mistaken and last I heard there wasn't any confirmation if it indeed was in Iranian airspace but if it was they were well within reason to shoot down a FORIEGN COUNTRIES SPY DRONE.”
Firstly, we are not at war yet (and I do stress “yet”), but if that war comes, it will make WW2 seem like child’s play by comparison (though there is nothing trivial about 50 million + dead from that conflict). We are talking nukes here. In WW2, we (the U.S.) were the only players on the world stage with nukes, now at least 7 countries have that nuclear weapons capability. Don’t be fooled, I am sure Iran has or is on the very cusp of making nuclear weapons.
Do you know for certain that the drone was in Iranian airspace? And of course they claim that the drone was in their airspace, and why wouldn’t they? It is not like they would ever tell a lie, right?
You stated, “To your point about Dresden.. May the dead rest in peace but...It wasnt found to be an "insignificant" military target they just weren't providing as much aid as other german cities.” “But that wasnt why the bombed them. It was to demoralize, like hoe the germans were bombarding Britain/England/Uk(sorry for my ignorance but i dont know the difference between them)”
Well, we can agree to disagree on that point regarding the military importance of Dresden. Bombing to “demoralize” the Germans? Didn’t work all that well, now did it? Didn’t work for the Germans either when they bombed Britain during the “Blitz” of 1940. On the contrary, bombing to “demoralize” serves only strengthened their resolve to fight to the end. And fight to the bitter end they did. Anyways, let us not digress too far here.
“They still contributed and they still stayed after Hitler showed his true nature..”
No, they didn’t. Propaganda is a very powerful psyche weapon. Nevertheless, there had been significant resistance from German civilians (some that paid with their lives for their defiance of Hitler) and some were from the military establishment too (recall July 20th 1944 bomb plot and Colonel Stauffenburg if you will).
You wrote, “They provided aid to the Nazi warmacht[sic] and stayed for the entirety of the war... so yes they were Nazi's. Children you say? heard of the Hitler jugend (Hitler youth)? In some places the children fought as German soldiers.. soo yes, they were Nazis. Though I would express remorse for these poor misguided children because what choice did they have? but war is hell.”
Really? What “aid” did they render? Did a 90-year-old grandma point an mg-42 machinegun from a apartment building window on the 12th floor???? Did grandpa Erving hobble around in his wheelchair with a panserfaust strapped to his back and a luger in his hand? Even so, if civilians were responsible for defending their homeland, it was under duress to say the least. I don’t believe that a toddler sitting down in their cradle is capable of wearing a swastika armband and saying, “Seig Heil” in affirmation to a Gobbles "Total War" speech blaring over the radio. And yes, I certainly have heard of the Hitler Youth. Apparently, you are not aware that they (German civilians) did not enjoy the freedom of free speech. If you spoke out or were otherwise “too critical” of Nazism and the war effort, you could end up at Dachau or worse. By the late stages of the war these “children” and others were forced to fight. The SS would not hesitate to string up from the nearest tree those that would not fight and would place a placard around their neck stating that this would be the fate of cowards and malingerers on the home front.
In any event, I didn’t see you address any issues with the 80,000 + japs that died when the Enola Gay dropped the big one on them? Are you going to say that even the babies and elderly were all “japs” responsible for the Bataan Death March or Pearl Harbor or the “rape of Nanking”? No, of course they were not, and neither were the residents (civilians) of Dresden responsible for Auschwitz or Treblinka. Would we dare say that as American’s that each and every one of us is somehow responsible for some of the evil that we have unleashed? And if you don’t know what I am talking about, think about the “Trail of Tears” from the Jacksonian era. Heck, the U.S. needed far less provocation to go to war with Spain when the USS Maine blew up in Havana harbor (it was later proven that the Spanish were not responsible). Our nation was hungry (yes, starving) for the acquisition of more territory (thanks Teddy and the Rough Riders).
So, we have no more guilt than your average German who lived in Germany in WW2.
It is a sad and hypocritical fact that over here in America during WW2 we took 100,000 American civilians of Japanese heritage and took their freedom from them for the duration of the war by placing them in internment camps. Or consider the wrongs committed against African American’s (going back 200 plus years and to recent years) making them sit at the back of the bus, lynching them, and compelling them to use restrooms designated for their use only, and addressing their menfolk as "boy" or “Leroy.” Does that mean we are ALL responsible for these injustices committed in our nation??? No, but we are all responsible for correcting those wrongs and helping to ensure that America is the land of the free for EVERYBODY, regardless of color or heritage. When we as a nation achieve that, then we will truely be a becon of freedom to the rest of the world; a shining example of liberty.
In any event, you are digressing too far from the point here. We are not here to debate the culpability of German infants, adults or whoever, or some clerk who gave lip-service to Hitler so that he wouldn’t lose his job or be shot. Instead, we are here to discuss the fact that Trump is all hot wind and weak-minded.
The bottom line is this: If the President is just going to keep drawing the proverbial “line in the sand” and then step back each time and keep drawing it, we will soon find ourselves like Prime Minister Chamberlain during the 1938 Anschluss…making appeasement to avoid catastrophe.
Remember, Trump’s weakness is not just something being viewed by the Iranians, but N. Korea and Russia are watching to see our resolve as well. Are we a nation of ttough talk, or are we a nation of resolve? The fat lunatic with the terrible haircut in Pyongyang will do something really stupid if he sees that Trump is weak with Iran. Heck, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if the North Koreans sent the Iranians a nuke or two with a ribbon tide on top.
Listen, Trump is no Jack Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. I wasn’t even alive back then, but I have to say that watching that grainy black and white footage of Kennedy making his speech makes me darn proud to be an American! Now before you go ahead and bash Kennedy, I really don’t care. The fact that he stood up to Khrushchev and held fast to his resolve is nothing short of awesome! The Russian’s had to blink during that stare down. Trump could never do this. His buddy ole Puty Poo would pull the leash on him really quick! And you know why? Besides the fact that he is yellow as can be (I know he is glowing orange in reality), but yes, he is a coward and an opportunist who seeks to enrich himself by butt-kissing our adversaries.
Trump is a back-peddler, a buffoon who says one thing out the side of his mouth and then lies about it.
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