Comments by "" (@pwillis1589) on "Religious community supports Andrew Thorburn after resignation" video.

Freedom of religion is enshrined in our constitution. That doesn’t mean religions are allowed to behave as they wish. They must abide by the secular laws of Australia. This is just liberal democracy 101.
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I’m not sure you have a proper grasp on the issues involved here.
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@dorianshadesofgray How do you expect someone to lead two separate organisations and have two separate and completely different opinions/values on the same issue. Clearly he would have to be lying to someone and I suspect it would have been to the church he leads.
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@dorianshadesofgray In a secular liberal democracy I know exactly what religious freedom is. If the Taliban are running things then yes you get your way.
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@eb2505 No you are factually wrong. Modern western secular liberal democracies are based mostly on ancient Greek philosophies. Christian philosophy/values has had an influence but it is not the primary influence. ie Christianity advocates for a Theocracy where as the Greeks were the first to talk of democracy. You are mistaken.
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@Kelly_Kapowski In fact an IPOS poll has support for access to abortion clinics at 76% in Australia. Unfortunately Annie is talking out of her ..........
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How was he expected to lead two organisations that have completely opposite values?
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@dorianshadesofgray And very cleverly avoided any link to LGBTIQ by claiming diversity of employment at the NAB. He is an opportunistic businessman with clearly little real christian moral values that he is able to swing with the wind. I wouldn't believe him if he said the sky was blue.
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@eb2505 laws of what? Christians have blasphemy laws restricting freedom of speech. Laws on murder and property date to ancient Mesopotamia and predate any Judeo writings by 600 years. The clay tablets still exsist today in museums unlike the fabricated stone commandments of Judeo-Christian teachings.
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@grannyannie2948 No you are factually wrong and our constitution explicitly says so. Read it. Section 116. The lords prayer is a convention and there is no legal reason for it to be said or uttered by members of parliament. I didn't say the Greeks practiced it only they theorised about it.
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@eb2505 Read. Exodus 19:5-6 19:8 24:3 Deuteronomy 5:27 26:16-19 29:9-15 33:5 33:26. There are dozens more. The whole of Christian rule is based on Theocracy. It is part of the reason Christianity thrived in the middle ages.
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@dorianshadesofgray I do not doubt the influence of christianity on our system of government but it is factually wrong to suggest it is based on christianity. Laws on killing and property predate any Judeo writings. Democracy and freedom of speech are Ancient Greek philosophies not Christian.
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@eb2505 No problems. Just send me the references in the new testament that tell us to ignore the old testament.
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@eb2505 Yeah OK we are at cross purposes here I'm talking about a system of government and you are talking Christian law. They can be the same thing and have been in history, but in a modern liberal western democracy, gods rule has been kicked into touch.
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@buildmotosykletist1987 The lords prayer as explained is a convention established through Christian influences that is undeniable. It is not legally required. It is part of the rules and would just mean a minor change. It could be dispensed with quite easily.
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@dorianshadesofgray Well 2300 BCE isn't quite caveman but I take your point. I completely agree with you yes simple human empathy with no need for any god/gods is absolutely the foundation of our modern secular laws.
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@eb2505 Fair enough. I however have no relationship with any alleged "Jesus" as a historical biblical character, and have been presented with zero evidence of any god like entity.
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@eb2505 By the way Peter Costello is just factually wrong about the history of property laws.
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@eb2505 No factually wrong again. All the data confirms the more secular a society the better off it is. On education, life expectancy, health, crime rates, GENI index, ecomony wise, the less religion the better.
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@buildmotosykletist1987 Well it is from the christian bible which as I understand did have some influence on Islam. What's your point?
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@dorianshadesofgray Dawkins makes a great argument for why we imagined god/gods in his book "The god delusion". For me it's called metaphorical truth, for example in that believing all snakes are poisonous while objectively wrong means you will avoid all snakes and never get bitten by a possibly deadly one. Same for believing in a god, it gives you a reason for behaving in a certain manner.
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@eb2505 It's pointless quoting the bible to prove the bible. It's circular reasoning and is a logical fallacy. I'm perfectly happy for you to believe whatever you want, just act on the secular laws of Australia. Australian property laws are grounded in ancient history, part of which is property law first developed in ancient Mesopotamia well before any Judeo-Christian writings.
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@dorianshadesofgray I must apologise for my first comment, while I disagree with your argument I was wrong to suggest you were not over the topic.
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@grannyannie2948 Your anecdotal evidence of an upsurge in religious activity is in complete contrast to all the independent data and evidence according to the ABS.
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@buildmotosykletist1987 I haven't a clue what you are on about, I'm not even sure you know what you are on about. My point was you don't know what I'm talking about and we can agree on that.
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@eb2505 You just quoted the bible again to prove the bible. It is fallacious nonsense.
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@eb2505 it's a bit foolish to quote something that is irrelevant. I didn't say there is no god only that there is no evidence of such.
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@eb2505 Once again, and this clearly is not getting through but i will try, quoting scripture to prove scripture is circular reasoning and fallacious by nature. A whimsical quote of my own, source unknown "insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
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@eb2505 Seriously Chuck Missler presented a claim of hidden numerology in the bible that has been completely debunked by mathematicians years ago. Anyway it was an argument not evidence. Anybody can throw up an argument.
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@jamiechippett1566 Yep that's great no problems with Torrens title. They were doing the same thing is Mesopotamia 5000 years ago.
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When polled 60% of Americans believe women should have access to abortion in the first trimester. Stupid emotional statements are not logical arguments. A woman's bodily autonomy supersedes any rights of a foetus. It is not the woman's fault a foetus can't live outside her body. This ridiculous pro life argument has nothing to do with any rights of a foetus but all to do with controlling women and there bodies, just like Christians love to do.
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@jamiechippett1566 Oh for sure. Its just that some of the people reading this thread think that Jews and Christians invented property laws via their scripture which is just demonstrably false.
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@eb2505 over 70% of fertilised eggs, that is zygotes or as you would call them human beings are flushed out in the woman’s menstrual cycle. That equates to literally billions of humans your creator god has had slaughtered. Who is the mass murderer now? Let alone the millions of babies he killed in a flood. Your creator god easily tops the list of mass murderers of all time. What a low life grub your god is.
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@dorianshadesofgray And he has finally been called out on a clear double standard. How does he manage to ly straight in bed at night?
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