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Comments by "" (@pwillis1589) on "Liberal Party is ‘surging’ in the polls" video.
J The Clean Energy Act 2011 was legislation that established a emissions trading scheme preceded by 3 years of fixed carbon pricing designed to reduce carbon dioxide emissions. For the period it was in effect it did exactly that. It did not screw Labor, what screwed Labor was a throughly dishonest campaign against it by Tony Abbott. We know this is a fact as his CoS Peta Credlin has admitted publicly this was the Liberal strategy going into the 2013 federal election. They knew it wasn’t a tax but used that word to trick you and it was incredibly successful as witnessed by your comment.
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J Yes I agree there most definitely was a minor increase in costs to the heavy polluters and a subsequent reduction in carbon pollution. The really significant price increases in electricity came immediately after the dumping of the clean energy act and the election of the Abbott government. In actual fact the average CPI was lower under Gillard government than the previous Howard government. I have revised no history.
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J I revised no history, I just stated the facts. I even said costs increased under Gillard/Rudd governments and you ignored that comment. Average CPI increase under the Howard government was 2.5 under Gillard/Rudd it was 2.4. This is publicly available data from the ABS. It is a false to suggest prices increased greater under the Gillard government. If you had of said under the Hawke/ Keating governments I would completely agree with you. If you blame Labor for inflation during 2007-2013 why do you not blame the current government for the current high inflation rate of 3.8 which is significantly higher than when Labor was last in government?
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J I revised no history. As previously mentioned the Clean energy act was not a carbon tax. It was a emissions trading scheme with a 3 year fixed price for carbon. It was so effectively called a carbon tax by the Liberal opposition that you took the whole lie from Credlin hook line and sinker. Inflation was lower under Labor than the previous Liberals and to be fair was lower again initially under the following Liberal government, but the Clean energy act had absolutely nothing to do with it. The Gillard government average taxation as a % of GDP was 21.6 at the moment under Morrison it is at 28.6 so again to suggest Labor always tax more is just factually incorrect.
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J I don't know what you mean by "you people" and I revised nothing. I remain respectful of your opinion however as proven in my earlier comment inflation was less under Gillard clean energy act than it was under Howard without one so your comment just doesn't make sense. How did a price on carbon increase inflation if it was higher without one?
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J The correct sentence structure should have been “is wrong”. I expressed no opinion only factual data which you have been unable to refute. All you offer is the repeated generalised mantra tax = higher prices which I conclusively proved was wrong under the Gillard government, no opinion about it.
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J And we will leave it at that vacuous comment.
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J I assume you mean federally as at a state level having not looked at the data I couldn't offer an opinion. You are most definitely correct at a federal level conservative governments rule the roost in years in government 82 years out of a 122, so about a two thirds of the time and in my humble opinion that is because your average Australian is more conservative by nature. It is a good question, and you are right there in a sense in the public that conservative governments are better at managing the economy, I don't necessarily agree with that as the Rudd/Gillard government managed the economy through a worldwide recession during the GFC and i think we were the only OECD not to go into recession. The current Liberal/National government has done a good job getting us through the pandemic recession but it has had to borrow a lot of money. The Morrison government spent close the $500 billion in stimulus in just 12 months where as Gillard spent $100 billion over 5 years. I just don't think it is as black and white as you make it out to be.
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J And we will leave it at that.
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J No it wasn't and I answered it honestly and sincerely, which is way more than I got from you, and we'll leave it at that.
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