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Comments by "" (@pwillis1589) on "'Detail is important' for Voice to Parliament" video.
Classic anecdotal fallacy. I’ll put your mates up against the thousands of indigenous peoples involved in the consultations with the Uluṟu statement and the 250 elders that co-signed the document.
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You don’t understand how a representative democracy works do you? Elected representatives to the Australian parliament represent their electorate or state not any particular ethnic or cultural group. I agree you need to spend some time reading the detail about how our constitutional monarchy works before moving onto more advanced topics.
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@gerrycooper56 No they represent everyone in that electorate.
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@gerrycooper56 In practical terms, I'm sure there a Liberal politicians who completely ignore the wishes of the Labor voters in their electorate and visa versa. What's your point? Are you suggesting there a electorates in Australia that for ethnic reasons all vote Liberal or all vote National or all vote One Notion? Please find me an electorate in Australia that is 90% indigenous, Lingiari might be the only one and Labor just got in on 50.9%. So the rep Marion Scrymgour who I think is indigenous is not representative of the indigenous community at all but of the Labor party.
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@gerrycooper56 Right so we both agree that our parliamentary democracy is not ethically/culturally based it is politically based which was my point all along. Yes there are indigenous advocacy groups just as there is the mining council, Getup, or the IPA. Again so what? All a voice does in constitutionally enshrine an indigenous advisory body that has no legislative ability, no veto power, and is there merely to advise the government of any indigenous issues. The government of the day can chose to ignore it if it wishes.
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@gerrycooper56 It most certainly doesn't happen in Australia because as diverse as we are almost overwhelming we are represented by white male Anglos with some women chucked in for effect. Once again political candidates represent their party and thier electorate. They may bring their own personal experience which you would expect. You seem to be colouring others with your own bias. Or are you suggesting that for the first 60 odd years of our parliament when it was almost exclusively white Anglo men in parliament it was only that cultural group they represented. In that case you might be onto something.
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@wilburgraham6260 So you see no difference in sipping pina coladas around the pool with your family in Hawaii and attending the AUKUS conference as head of our government. Do you see the vacuousness of your comment?
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@gregmatthies8128 The opinion of constitutional lawyers is that it is not a third level of government. It has no legislative ability, no veto power, and no financial delegation. It is advisory only. You misunderstood what you read. You are wrong.
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@gregmatthies8128 Reference the paragraph in the statement that asks for veto power, otherwise you haven't a clue what you are talking about. Anne Twomey BA, LLB, LLM, PhD. who is one of Australia's leading constitutional experts totally disagrees with your assertion. Once again where in the Uluru statement does it ask for veto power?
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@gregmatthies8128 The Law council of Australia rejects the idea a voice is a third chamber. It said that it would be no more a third chamber than say the Productivity commission which has no power to initiate, pass or reject bills. I have no idea where you are getting your ideas from. Instagram.
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@gregmatthies8128 Once again there is no repeat no mention of a veto power in the voice as presented to the government. Noel Pearson was commenting on the process, ultimately the referendum council did not adopt that view and an advisory body is all that was sort.
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