Comments by "" (@pwillis1589) on "'Most stable and reliable' power: Australia's largest coal-fired power plant set to close" video.

98% of a solar cell is recyclable. There is an industry in recycling wind turbine blades into cement. LCOE studies prove your comment in demonstrably false.
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@batmanlives6456 So I’m in Australia and we have private industry recycling solar panels. Canstar Blue and ECOATIV are two examples. If Australians know how to do it, I don’t understand why Americans can’t, they seem to know how to make a buck out of anything else. GE Renewable Energy is actually a US company and recently signed a contract with Veolia to turn its blades into a raw material for cement. The Veolia plant is in Missouri 110 km northwest of Saint-Louis. In the US, companies recycling solar panels are for example Dynamic Lifecycle Innovations and Echo Environmental. While I agree overall landfill waste is a significant problem the contribution of wind turbines is reducing. I would be more concerned about the filth being put into the atmosphere from burning coal.
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@batmanlives6456 Yes there are multiple ways of solving problems, some good some bad, some environmentally as friendly as possible some not so. You would agree that the technology and cost of solar voltaic cells has greatly improved and dramatically decreased in that 15 years. All infrastructure in energy production needs maintenance and eventually requires replacement. Are you concerned about the decommissioning of nuclear plants or coal fired power stations, because they to pollute the environment.
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@batmanlives6456 Currently the cost to decommission a coal mine and associated power plant is in the region of $10 billion. A wind turbine is replaced at approx $1.3 million per MW and is done in 18 months. A new coal powered plant around $3 billion and take years to build. Your economics just don’t stack up and all the LCOE studies support this. I don’t doubt you personal experience but it is anecdotal and fallacious by nature. This is not a personal insult it is just a fact in argumentation. Your points about battery storage and the reliability of renewables while somewhat valid are well known and are being addressed simply by creating the necessary excess capacity required in the grid and improved battery technology. We are clever people in a rapidly advancing society with no need to stick blindly with 19th century power sources
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@batmanlives6456 No I agree my opinion is worthless. Yours is anecdotal and just as fallacious. All the LCOE studies prove beyond reasonable doubt wind and solar is significantly cheaper at producing electricity than coal. Not my opinion independently observable fact.
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@batmanlives6456 if you don't accept the science there is little to i can add. The NEM is an excellent source of data
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@batmanlives6456 A single study yes. All of them and you have crossed over into conspiracy theory and you can't seriously discuss a subject then.
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@batmanlives6456 It is not a personal insult, it is a just a logical fallacy in argumentation to base your argument on personal experience, it is an anecdotal fallacy. Once again I am fully aware of the NEM and how it shows in real time where our electricity is being produced less WA. As I look now renewables are providing 33% of electricity being used and that doesn't include rooftop solar. Currently electricity cost in Queensland is $87 as opposed to SA were it is .02 cents. One mostly coal the other mostly solar. You dismissed numerous independent LCOE studies as "manipulated" with no evidence that's why I mentioned conspiracy, provide the evidence LCOE studies are false, and I'll retract that comment. In NSW alone government directly subsidies coal by providing the infrastructure virtually free, this includes the railways, port facilities, and a 50% discount on the coal price for coal used in NSW power plants. Federally these tax subsidies amount to $10.3 billion a year. Wind and solar subsidies are $2.8 billion. I am absolutely comparing apples to apples, but I haven't got a clue what you are comparing or how. Only last year NSW allocated $100 million to coal innovation research. These are all facts. Another fallacy you are using is the strawman fallacy. Nobody is suggesting a single battery is going to solve the instant dispatchability of Fossil fuels. There are various means to do this. These criticisms of your argument are not directed at you personally, they are directed at your argument and show it to be fallacious nonsense.
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@batmanlives6456 You continue with the strawman fallacies. I never suggested that SA doesn't draw energy from Victoria and when the brown coal generators in Victoria go off-line, Victoria draws energy from interstate that's why it's called a NEM. This proves nothing. You provide absolutely no evidence whatsoever that coal is the cheapest form of power generation, you just state it. This is a completely false statement. Including storage and transmission costs wind power comes in at $63/MWh, new coal and gas at between $70 to $90/Mwh. This data is from the third annual "GenCost" report. I don't know where your data comes from? Your imagination. I have provided various sources of data. Wind and solar don't absolutely require batteries, dispatchability can be solved through capacity. Yes there are problems to be solved in the transition, but it is happening and your arguments are being ignored as fallacious by the vast majority of experts in engineering and economics.
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@batmanlives6456 It was yourself that directed me to the NEM, so using your own reference the annual average cost per Mwh for wind in the last 12 months was $55.12, black coal $115.80, brown coal $58.69. How in anyway shape or form do you declare coal is the cheapest form of generation?
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@batmanlives6456 I have acknowledged the extra capacity that is required. Where does your 5 to 7 times the capacity figure come from? The software already exists and is being used to stabilise the frequency, that problem has essentially been solved. According to the CSIRO and Energy Networks Australia approx 30 to 50% extra capacity is required not the 700% you claim. Are you just making up data in your head?
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@batmanlives6456 "You obviously don't understand the system" is an argument from authority and is yet another example of your use of a logical fallacy in argumentation. It renders your point invalid.
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Yes they do and LCOE proves wind and solar produce cleaner and cheaper electricity than coal.
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LCOE proves beyond reasonable doubt that everything this bloke said was complete rubbish.
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