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Let us take an intelligent look at it in context.
For a start, any one who believes that this is a prophecy about Prophet Muhammed is saying that they believe the words of Jesus Christ. Question, does that include the words He spoke in verses 6 & 7 of the same chapter?
“Jesus answered, ‘I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.’’
Clearly, He states three things.
It is only through Him and through Him alone that anybody can find their way to God the Father.
He calls Himself the Son of God.
Those who know Him know the Father, and those who see Him have seen the Father.
How many Muslims believe any of these things? If anyone disbelieves the words of Jesus Christ here, what is the logic of going ten verses further down to find a tenuous thread with which to tie the prophet of Islam to the Bible?
Now to the actual words of Jesus Christ in verse 16. Are you of the opinion that the Prophet Muhammed comes to the world in answer to the prayer of Jesus Christ?
Second, The reason the world does not accept this Comforter is that they do not see him. In what way can this possibly be applied to the Prophet Muhammed? Did his followers whom he led into battle not see him and know him? Did all the enemies against whom he fought not know him and see him?
Third, this Spirit of Truth does not only live forever but lives “ lives with you and will be in you.” Where is the prophet Muhammed today?
No, my friends, this verse of Scripture has absolutely nothing to do with the prophet of Islam. Rather is about God’s Holy Spirit who descended on the disciples of Jesus Christ as He promised them, and who comes to inhabit every one who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. ✝️🙏
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There are currently 30+ different versions/readings/Qira'ats/ Qurans that exist in the world today.
A Qira'at, in regards to the Quran, is an iteration of the text done by a group of scholars; there were 30 popular ones in Islam.
10 were ‘official readers’ and another 20 were students who worked underneath the readers, known as ‘transmitters’.
They were responsible for looking closely into the 'rasm' (The skeletal structure of the text) and then determined where to put dots and vowels into different places.
Here is a list of the 10 readers
Nafi al-Madani (d. 785 AD)
Ibn Kathir al Makki (d. 738 AD)
Abu'Amr Ibn al-'Ala (d. 770 AD)
Ibn Amir ad-Dimashqi (d. 736 AD)
Aasim Ibn Abi al-Najud (d. 745 AD)
Hamzah az-Zalyyat (d. 773 AD)
Al-Kisa'i (d. 804 AD)
Abu Ja'far (Medina - d. 748 AD)
Ya'qub al-Yamani (Basra - d. 821 AD)
Khalaf (Kufa - 844 AD)
The following is a list of the transmitters
Qalun (835 AD)
Al-Bazzi (d. 864 AD)
Al-Duri (d. 860)
Hisham (d.859 AD)
Shu'bah (d. 809 AD)
Khalaf (d. 844 AD)
Al-Layth (d. 854 AD)
Isa ibn Wardan (d. 777 AD)
Ruways (d. 853 AD)
Ishaq (d. 899 AD)
Warsh (812 AD)
Qunbul (d. 904 AD)
Al-Susi (d. 874 AD)
Ibn Dhakwan (d. 856 AD)
Hafs (d. 796 AD)
Khallad (d. 835 AD)
Al-Duri (d. 860 AD)
Ibn Jummaz (d. 787 AD)
Rawh (d. 849 AD)
Idris (d. 905 AD)
You are able to order any of these online.
Among all these different Qira'ats, there is an overwhelming 93,000 differences.
The one chosen to be the standard Qira'at was Hafs, in 1924. Hafs was a student/transmitter who died in 796 AD. He lived in Kufa.
Futhermore, Hafs was not even one of the 'Readers', nor did he live alongside the prophet Muhammad, nor during the time of King Uthman.
Muhammand Al-Hussaini al-Hadad an Egyptian teacher at the University in Cairo, was asked by the Bureau of Education there, to choose ‘one’ of the Qira'ats as the authoritative one.
He chose Hafs.
His credentials are not known, and no one seems to know why he chose Hafs. This took place in 1924.
The “1400 year old Uthman argument” has only been around for 100 years. It is a recent argument which is currently falling to pieces, since it is utterly failing the test of ‘Historical Criticism’.
The list above, alone, proves this matter, and unfortunately the number of different Qira'ats/Qurans continues to rise as they are being discovered and reported.
In 2016, 26 different Qurans were discovered by Professor Hatun Tash, whom later presented them at the 'Speakers Corner' in London England with the help of Dr. Jay Smith.
They faced heavy opposition despite the clear evidence they had in their hands.
These 2 professionals have devoted many years studying the history of Islam and the authenticity of the Quran. Dr. Jay Smith began his scholarly research in this area during his time in India, and officially began taking on this issue in a public setting since 1995, starting with a debate in Cambridge.
Their findings are a phenomenal breakthrough.
No Muslim has confronted the ‘textual historical analysis’ of the Quran. The 6 manuscripts, each located in their respected places, Turkey, Uzbekistan, Paris, London, Egypt, and Yemen, were never challenged in the field of Academia until 2002–2007, by two Muslim scholars.
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If you study their biographies, Jesus and Muhammad lived very different lives. Their actions, their words and their teachings were different.
Muhammad said: “Allah hates those who don’t accept Islam.” (Qur’an 30:45, 3:32, 22:38)
Jesus said: God loves the whole world and desires salvation for all. (John 3:16)
Muhammad said: “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.” (Ibn Ishaq 992)
Jesus said: “Love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 5:14)
Muhammad said: “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” (Muslim 1:33)
Jesus said: “I have come to seek and save those who are lost.” (Luke 19:10)
Muhammad stoned women for adultery. (Muslim 4206)
Jesus saved a woman from being stoned for adultery. (John 8:7)
Muhammad permitted Muslim stealing from unbelievers. (Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)
Jesus said: “You shall not steal.” (Matthew 19:18)
Muhammad permitted Muslims to lie. (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
Jesus said: “You shall not (lie) bear false witness.” (Matthew 19:18)
Muhammad owned and traded slaves. (Sahih Muslim 3901)
Jesus never owned or traded any slaves.
Muhammad and his followers beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys. (Sahih Muslim 4390)
Jesus and his followers beheaded no one.
Muhammad ordered the murder of those who insulted him. (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)
Jesus preached forgiveness. (Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)
Muhammad said: Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one’s position in Paradise by a hundred fold. (Muslim 4645)
Jesus said: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God” (Matthew 5:9)
Muhammad married 13 wives and kept many sex slaves. (Bukhari 5:268, Qur’an 33:50)
Jesus never married.
Muhammad ordered the murder of women. (Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)
Jesus never harmed any woman.
Muhammad killed captives taken in battle. (Ibn Ishaq 451)
Jesus never took captives or killed anyone.
Muhammad encouraged his men to rape their female slaves. (Abu Dawood 2150, Qur’an 4:24)
Jesus never enslaved women or encouraged rape.
Muhammad tortured people. (Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)
Jesus suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.
Muhammad said: “Fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah” (Qur’an 8:39)
Jesus said: “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you” (Matthew 5:44)
Muhammad praised the brutal murder of a half-blind man (al-Tabari 1440)
Jesus healed blind men (Mark 8:28, etc)
Muhammad ordered a slave to build the pulpit from which he preached Islam. (Bukhari 47:743)
Jesus washed his disciples feet to teach humility and servanthood. (John 13:5)
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If you study their biographies, Jesus and Muhammad lived very different lives. Their actions, their words and their teachings were different.
Muhammad said: “Allah hates those who don’t accept Islam.” (Qur’an 30:45, 3:32, 22:38)
Jesus said: God loves the whole world and desires salvation for all. (John 3:16)
Muhammad said: “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.” (Ibn Ishaq 992)
Jesus said: “Love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 5:14)
Muhammad said: “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” (Muslim 1:33)
Jesus said: “I have come to seek and save those who are lost.” (Luke 19:10)
Muhammad stoned women for adultery. (Muslim 4206)
Jesus saved a woman from being stoned for adultery. (John 8:7)
Muhammad permitted Muslim stealing from unbelievers. (Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)
Jesus said: “You shall not steal.” (Matthew 19:18)
Muhammad permitted Muslims to lie. (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
Jesus said: “You shall not (lie) bear false witness.” (Matthew 19:18)
Muhammad owned and traded slaves. (Sahih Muslim 3901)
Jesus never owned or traded any slaves.
Muhammad and his followers beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys. (Sahih Muslim 4390)
Jesus and his followers beheaded no one.
Muhammad ordered the murder of those who insulted him. (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)
Jesus preached forgiveness. (Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)
Muhammad said: Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one’s position in Paradise by a hundred fold. (Muslim 4645)
Jesus said: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God” (Matthew 5:9)
Muhammad married 13 wives and kept many sex slaves. (Bukhari 5:268, Qur’an 33:50)
Jesus never married.
Muhammad ordered the murder of women. (Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)
Jesus never harmed any woman.
Muhammad killed captives taken in battle. (Ibn Ishaq 451)
Jesus never took captives or killed anyone.
Muhammad encouraged his men to rape their female slaves. (Abu Dawood 2150, Qur’an 4:24)
Jesus never enslaved women or encouraged rape.
Muhammad tortured people. (Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)
Jesus suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.
Muhammad said: “Fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah” (Qur’an 8:39)
Jesus said: “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you” (Matthew 5:44)
Muhammad praised the brutal murder of a half-blind man (al-Tabari 1440)
Jesus healed blind men (Mark 8:28, etc)
Muhammad ordered a slave to build the pulpit from which he preached Islam. (Bukhari 47:743)
Jesus washed his disciples feet to teach humility and servanthood. (John 13:5)
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There are currently 30+ different versions/readings/Qira'ats/ Qurans that exist in the world today.
A Qira'at, in regards to the Quran, is an iteration of the text done by a group of scholars; there were 30 popular ones in Islam.
10 were ‘official readers’ and another 20 were students who worked underneath the readers, known as ‘transmitters’.
They were responsible for looking closely into the 'rasm' (The skeletal structure of the text) and then determined where to put dots and vowels into different places.
Here is a list of the 10 readers
Nafi al-Madani (d. 785 AD)Ibn Kathir al Makki (d. 738 AD)Abu'Amr Ibn al-'Ala (d. 770 AD)Ibn Amir ad-Dimashqi (d. 736 AD)Aasim Ibn Abi al-Najud (d. 745 AD)Hamzah az-Zalyyat (d. 773 AD)Al-Kisa'i (d. 804 AD)Abu Ja'far (Medina - d. 748 AD)Ya'qub al-Yamani (Basra - d. 821 AD)Khalaf (Kufa - 844 AD)
The following is a list of the transmitters
Qalun (835 AD)Al-Bazzi (d. 864 AD)Al-Duri (d. 860)Hisham (d.859 AD)Shu'bah (d. 809 AD)Khalaf (d. 844 AD)Al-Layth (d. 854 AD)Isa ibn Wardan (d. 777 AD)Ruways (d. 853 AD)Ishaq (d. 899 AD)Warsh (812 AD)Qunbul (d. 904 AD)Al-Susi (d. 874 AD)Ibn Dhakwan (d. 856 AD)Hafs (d. 796 AD)Khallad (d. 835 AD)Al-Duri (d. 860 AD)Ibn Jummaz (d. 787 AD)Rawh (d. 849 AD)Idris (d. 905 AD)
Among all these different Qira'ats, there is an overwhelming 93,000 differences.
The one chosen to be the standard Qira'at was Hafs, in 1924. Hafs was a student/transmitter who died in 796 AD. He lived in Kufa.
Futhermore, Hafs was not even one of the 'Readers', nor did he live alongside the prophet Muhammad, nor during the time of King Uthman.
Muhammand Al-Hussaini al-Hadad an Egyptian teacher at the University in Cairo, was asked by the Bureau of Education there, to choose ‘one’ of the Qira'ats as the authoritative one.
He chose Hafs.
His credentials are not known, and no one seems to know why he chose Hafs. This took place in 1924.
The “1400 year old Uthman argument” has only been around for 100 years. It is a recent argument which is currently falling to pieces, since it is utterly failing the test of ‘Historical Criticism’.
The list above, alone, proves this matter, and unfortunately the number of different Qira'ats/Qurans continues to rise as they are being discovered and reported.
In 2016, 26 different Qurans were discovered by Professor Hatun Tash, whom later presented them at the 'Speakers Corner' in London England with the help of Dr. Jay Smith.
They faced heavy opposition despite the clear evidence they had in their hands.
These 2 professionals have devoted many years studying the history of Islam and the authenticity of the Quran. Dr. Jay Smith began his scholarly research in this area during his time in India, and officially began taking on this issue in a public setting since 1995, starting with a debate in Cambridge.
Their findings are a phenomenal breakthrough.
No Muslim has confronted the ‘textual historical analysis’ of the Quran. The 6 manuscripts, each located in their respected places, Turkey, Uzbekistan, Paris, London, Egypt, and Yemen, were never challenged in the field of Academia until 2002–2007, by two Muslim scholars.
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One criterion by which you could recognize whether someone is a prophet is whether he has knowledge that he could not possibly have acquired naturally.
Fever is caused by the heat of hell. According to Muhammad, the heat of hell is the cause of fever, and must therefore be treated with water (Saheeh al-Bukhari 7:71:621).
Seasons are determined by hell. According to Mohammed, the seasons and the associated differences in temperature are caused by hell. Hell has a hot and a cold part. One day, Hell notices that both parts are consuming each other, and asks Allah for help (Saheeh al-Bukhari 4:54:482). Allah then helps Hell by allowing the cold part to be active ('breathing') in the winter and the hot part in the summer.
This is the reason why we have seasons on earth, and according to Islam this has nothing to do with the position of the earth in relation to the sun, as we learned at school.
Embryos develop in phases of 40 days. According to the Quran (Sura 22:5), embryos go through the following phases: sperm/sperm, then coagulated blood, and finally a lump of flesh. Each of these phases lasts 40 days according to Muhammad (Saheeh al-Bukhari 4:54:430). After these 120 days have passed, a fetus has been formed. An important detail is that during the final phase an angel comes who determines the gender on behalf of Allah (Saheeh al-Bukhari 8:77:594).
In reality, the development of an embryo is very different. An embryo is already a fetus after 9 weeks, so after 63 days instead of 120. After 56 days, all organs have already been developed and there is already a recognizable human being. According to the Quran, the embryo is still in the second phase as clotted blood.
Moreover, the sex of the baby is determined immediately at conception, and not after 80 days as Islam claims. So it is clear that modern science is anything but supportive of Islam. 🤭
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Most people think that Islam is a religion, like any other, with a mainly spiritual message that every believer tries to fill in to the best of his ability. Nothing could be further from the truth. Islam is an all-encompassing political system/ideology, in which God only plays a supporting role. At least 75% of the Sira (the life of Mohammed) is about Jihad. About 67% of the Quran, written in Mecca, is about the infidels or politics. Of the Quran of Medina, 51% is devoted to the disbelievers. About 20% of Bukhari's Hadith is about jihad and politics. The religion is the smallest part of the Islamic founding texts.These smallest religious elements in Islam aim to forge the Muslims together into a tight militant unit, which is to conquer and subjugate the whole world...The name Allah used in the Quran, comes from the Arab world long before Islam. In the polytheistic religion of Mecca, 360 gods were worshiped at the time. After his experiences in the cave of Mecca, Mohammed proclaimed the god Allah of his own tribe (the Quraysh) as supreme god: the moon god, the god of war and the sword.
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There are currently 30+ different versions/readings/Qira'ats/ Qurans that exist in the world today.
A Qira'at, in regards to the Quran, is an iteration of the text done by a group of scholars; there were 30 popular ones in Islam.
10 were ‘official readers’ and another 20 were students who worked underneath the readers, known as ‘transmitters’.
They were responsible for looking closely into the 'rasm' (The skeletal structure of the text) and then determined where to put dots and vowels into different places.
Here is a list of the 10 readers
Nafi al-Madani (d. 785 AD)
Ibn Kathir al Makki (d. 738 AD)
Abu'Amr Ibn al-'Ala (d. 770 AD)
Ibn Amir ad-Dimashqi (d. 736 AD)
Aasim Ibn Abi al-Najud (d. 745 AD)
Hamzah az-Zalyyat (d. 773 AD)
Al-Kisa'i (d. 804 AD)
Abu Ja'far (Medina - d. 748 AD)
Ya'qub al-Yamani (Basra - d. 821 AD)
Khalaf (Kufa - 844 AD)
The following is a list of the transmitters
Qalun (835 AD)
Al-Bazzi (d. 864 AD)
Al-Duri (d. 860)
Hisham (d.859 AD)
Shu'bah (d. 809 AD)
Khalaf (d. 844 AD)
Al-Layth (d. 854 AD)
Isa ibn Wardan (d. 777 AD)
Ruways (d. 853 AD)
Ishaq (d. 899 AD)
Warsh (812 AD)
Qunbul (d. 904 AD)
Al-Susi (d. 874 AD)
Ibn Dhakwan (d. 856 AD)
Hafs (d. 796 AD)
Khallad (d. 835 AD)
Al-Duri (d. 860 AD)
Ibn Jummaz (d. 787 AD)
Rawh (d. 849 AD)
Idris (d. 905 AD)
You are able to order any of these online.
Among all these different Qira'ats, there is an overwhelming 93,000 differences.
The one chosen to be the standard Qira'at was Hafs, in 1924. Hafs was a student/transmitter who died in 796 AD. He lived in Kufa.
Futhermore, Hafs was not even one of the 'Readers', nor did he live alongside the prophet Muhammad, nor during the time of King Uthman.
Muhammand Al-Hussaini al-Hadad an Egyptian teacher at the University in Cairo, was asked by the Bureau of Education there, to choose ‘one’ of the Qira'ats as the authoritative one.
He chose Hafs.
His credentials are not known, and no one seems to know why he chose Hafs. This took place in 1924.
The “1400 year old Uthman argument” has only been around for 100 years. It is a recent argument which is currently falling to pieces, since it is utterly failing the test of ‘Historical Criticism’.
The list above, alone, proves this matter, and unfortunately the number of different Qira'ats/Qurans continues to rise as they are being discovered and reported.
In 2016, 26 different Qurans were discovered by Professor Hatun Tash, whom later presented them at the 'Speakers Corner' in London England with the help of Dr. Jay Smith.
They faced heavy opposition despite the clear evidence they had in their hands.
These 2 professionals have devoted many years studying the history of Islam and the authenticity of the Quran. Dr. Jay Smith began his scholarly research in this area during his time in India, and officially began taking on this issue in a public setting since 1995, starting with a debate in Cambridge.
Their findings are a phenomenal breakthrough.
No Muslim has confronted the ‘textual historical analysis’ of the Quran. The 6 manuscripts, each located in their respected places, Turkey, Uzbekistan, Paris, London, Egypt, and Yemen, were never challenged in the field of Academia until 2002–2007, by two Muslim scholars.
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Muslims worship the devil. The Devil's Verses:
In his "Biography of Muhammad" (on pages 165 to 167 referred to in the table of contents as "His temporary concession to polytheism") Ibn Ishaq writes: "the Apostle was concerned for the welfare of his people" - the pagan Quraysh - and “looked for a way to attract them”. In the end, it was the leaders of the Quraysh themselves who came to him with a proposal. They offered him wives and money, even wanted to crown him king—if he would accept their terms in return. “This is what we offer you, Mohammed, stop taunting our gods and do not speak ill of them. If you agree, we will provide you with an opportunity that will benefit you and us.”
What is it?" asked Mohammed.
“You will worship our gods, al-Lat and al-'Uzza for a year, and we will worship your God for a year.”
After initially rejecting this offer, Muhammad received a revelation saying that it was permissible for Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat, the three favorite goddesses of the pagan Quraysh as intercessors with Allah. The Quraysh rejoiced and pinches with Muhammad and the Muslims before Allah after Muhammad recited the new revelation.
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There are many passages we could go to show the Trinity is rooted in the Bible. Scripture reveals plurality within the oneness of God, that Jesus claimed to be God and His followers came to believe the same:
Plurality within God: Genesis 1:26 (plural noun used of God), Psalm 45:6–7 vs Hebrews 1:8-9 (God anointed by God).
Jesus as God: Mark 1:1-3 vs Isaiah 40:3 (Jesus in the place of YHWH), John 1:1-5 (Jesus as God and the Word of God), Daniel 7:13-14 vs Mark 14:61-64 (Jesus as the Son of Man), Mark 2:7-12 (Jesus as the forgiver of sins), Philippians 2:6 (Jesus in nature God).
The Holy Spirit as God: Genesis 1:2 (the Holy Spirit creating), Ephesians 4:30 (the Holy Spirit grieved), Acts 5:3–4 (lying to the Holy Spirit is to God), Acts 13:2 (the Holy Spirit speaking as God).
Trinitarian language: Matthew 28:19 (baptism formula), 2 Corinthians 13:14 (trinitarian blessing), 1 Peter 1-2 (greeting describing salvation).[4]
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Jesus Christ healed thousands of the sick from every conceivable ailment and cast out countless evil spirits. These miraculous healings were so impressive that even the sick and demoniac from surrounding towns were brought to Jesus, whereupon he healed them all. Healing the sick was a very outstanding quality of Jesus Christ. It was the fulfillment of a prophecy made about Jesus hundreds of years in advance, by the prophet Isaiah:
“He took upon himself our infirmities and bore our sicknesses.” (Isaiah 53:4)
Muhammad never healed a sick person and did not cast an evil spirit on anyone.
Jesus Christ raised several dead, including Jairus' daughter, Lazarus, and a widow's son. In this way he showed that God has power over death and life. This is one of the examples of resurrection from the dead, as recorded in the Gospel historiography by the physician Luke:
“As he approached the gate of the city, a dead man, the only son of a widow, was just being carried out. A large number of people accompanied her. When the Lord saw her, he was moved with pity and said to her, “Weep no more.” He approached, touched the bier – the bearers stood still – and said, “Young man, I tell you, arise! The dead man stood up and began to speak, and Jesus gave him back to his mother.” (Luke 7:12-15)
Muhammad did not raise a single dead man.
Jesus Christ not only raised the dead, He Himself rose from the dead and appeared before hundreds of witnesses, as proof of His resurrection. They spoke to him, ate with him, and touched his body. He had actually risen from the dead. The resurrection of Jesus from the dead is a foundation for the belief that whoever believes in Jesus can receive eternal life from Him, since Jesus has overcome the power of death. That's why Jesus said:
“I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in me, though he be dead, will live.” (John 11:25)
Mohammed has died and his body has perished.
Jesus Christ performed many miracles such as walking on water, making a great storm stop with a single word, multiplying some bread rolls and fish into food for thousands of people (leaving many times more food than there was originally), turning water into the best wine that the revelers had once drunk, a fig tree withered on the spot, and several other wonders.
Muhammad did not perform any miracles. The Quran emphasizes several times that Muhammad was unable to perform miracles. Some claim that the Quran itself was a miracle, but that's about it.
Jesus Christ died on the cross as a sacrifice for the sins of mankind. He likened himself to a lamb that was slain as an atoning sacrifice for all of us. Jesus explained that laying down his life for us is the greatest proof of love anyone can ever give.
Mohammed gave his life for no one, instead he took the lives of innocent people.
Mohammed was marked by violence and bloodshed. He went about with his armies and slaughtered anyone who would not convert to Islam. The Quran contains 164 verses related to jihad ("holy war" where people are forcibly forced to become Muslims). In verse 9:5 of the Qur'an, Muhammad says, “Slaughter the disbelievers wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, besiege them by ambushes.” (Sura 9:5) Muhammad also personally ordered several times to kill someone. Even today, thousands of innocent people worldwide are being brutally slaughtered for not submitting to Islam. That is the result of faithful obedience to Muhammad's many instructions.
Muslims who think that Islam is a religion of peace go directly against the words of Muhammad:
“Let those who sell their earthly life for the hereafter FIGHT in the cause of Allah. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed himself or is victorious – we will reward him richly.” (Qur'an 4:74)
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f you study their biographies, Jesus and Muhammad lived very different lives. Their actions, their words and their teachings were different.
Muhammad said: “Allah hates those who don’t accept Islam.” (Qur’an 30:45, 3:32, 22:38)
Jesus said: God loves the whole world and desires salvation for all. (John 3:16)
Muhammad said: “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.” (Ibn Ishaq 992)
Jesus said: “Love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 5:14)
Muhammad said: “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” (Muslim 1:33)
Jesus said: “I have come to seek and save those who are lost.” (Luke 19:10)
Muhammad stoned women for adultery. (Muslim 4206)
Jesus saved a woman from being stoned for adultery. (John 8:7)
Muhammad permitted Muslim stealing from unbelievers. (Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)
Jesus said: “You shall not steal.” (Matthew 19:18)
Muhammad permitted Muslims to lie. (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
Jesus said: “You shall not (lie) bear false witness.” (Matthew 19:18)
Muhammad owned and traded slaves. (Sahih Muslim 3901)
Jesus never owned or traded any slaves.
Muhammad and his followers beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys. (Sahih Muslim 4390)
Jesus and his followers beheaded no one.
Muhammad ordered the murder of those who insulted him. (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)
Jesus preached forgiveness. (Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)
Muhammad said: Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one’s position in Paradise by a hundred fold. (Muslim 4645)
Jesus said: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God” (Matthew 5:9)
Muhammad married 13 wives and kept many sex slaves. (Bukhari 5:268, Qur’an 33:50)
Jesus never married.
Muhammad ordered the murder of women. (Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)
Jesus never harmed any woman.
Muhammad killed captives taken in battle. (Ibn Ishaq 451)
Jesus never took captives or killed anyone.
Muhammad encouraged his men to rape their female slaves. (Abu Dawood 2150, Qur’an 4:24)
Jesus never enslaved women or encouraged rape.
Muhammad tortured people. (Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)
Jesus suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.
Muhammad said: “Fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah” (Qur’an 8:39)
Jesus said: “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you” (Matthew 5:44)
Muhammad praised the brutal murder of a half-blind man (al-Tabari 1440)
Jesus healed blind men (Mark 8:28, etc)
Muhammad ordered a slave to build the pulpit from which he preached Islam. (Bukhari 47:743)
Jesus washed his disciples feet to teach humility and servanthood. (John 13:5)
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@T-19- You're taking everything out of context. Something all Muslims do with a verse and then attack the Bible.
Context is the key to Jesus' words. In Matthew 10:34, Jesus speaks of the division that will come, even among family members, over their faith or lack of faith in Him. In that regard, He has come to bring the division. This context is also related to Luke 12:51.
It turns out that it is not about war, but about division, separation and hatred within families.
These are warning words of Jesus in Matthew 10:34, whereby we have to understand 'sword' as a metaphor: be prepared, your own family can also turn against you because of the Gospel / following Me (Jesus) and reject you!
It is possible and also the experience of many believers that through the Gospel / following Jesus one becomes a stranger to one's family, yes worse, is rejected by the family or even killed.
Peace and the sword are the two sides of the Kingdom of God. The coming of Jesus the Messiah brings peace, salvation on the one hand, but judgment, separation, oppression and persecution on the other.
My heartfelt advice, stop reading the Bible like a Muslim. You should not take literally everything in the Bible.
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@generaljg4373 Haha, not according to your Quran.
Muslims repeatedly claim that the Bible has been corrupted and that the Quran is the only reliable scripture in existence. This is why Muslims often attack the Bible. But according to the Quran, this is not possible. The Quran says that the books of Moses, the Psalms and the Gospel are all given by God.
Torah – "We gave Moses the Book and followed him with a succession of messengers," (Sura 2:87).
Psalms - "We have sent you inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the messengers after him: We sent inspiration to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and the tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms,” (4:163).
Gospel – “He it is Who hath sent down unto you (step by step) in truth the Book, confirming that which preceded it; and He sent down before it the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus), as a guide for mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between good and evil)” (3:3).
Also: “And in their footsteps We sent Jesus, the son of Mary, to establish the Law that had come before him: We sent unto him the Gospel: in it was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah,” (5:46).
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If you study their biographies, Jesus and Muhammad lived very different lives. Their actions, their words and their teachings were different.
Muhammad said: “Allah hates those who don’t accept Islam.” (Qur’an 30:45, 3:32, 22:38)
Jesus said: God loves the whole world and desires salvation for all. (John 3:16)
Muhammad said: “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.” (Ibn Ishaq 992)
Jesus said: “Love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 5:14)
Muhammad said: “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” (Muslim 1:33)
Jesus said: “I have come to seek and save those who are lost.” (Luke 19:10)
Muhammad stoned women for adultery. (Muslim 4206)
Jesus saved a woman from being stoned for adultery. (John 8:7)
Muhammad permitted Muslim stealing from unbelievers. (Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)
Jesus said: “You shall not steal.” (Matthew 19:18)
Muhammad permitted Muslims to lie. (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
Jesus said: “You shall not (lie) bear false witness.” (Matthew 19:18)
Muhammad owned and traded slaves. (Sahih Muslim 3901)
Jesus never owned or traded any slaves.
Muhammad and his followers beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys. (Sahih Muslim 4390)
Jesus and his followers beheaded no one.
Muhammad ordered the murder of those who insulted him. (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)
Jesus preached forgiveness. (Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)
Muhammad said: Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one’s position in Paradise by a hundred fold. (Muslim 4645)
Jesus said: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God” (Matthew 5:9)
Muhammad married 13 wives and kept many sex slaves. (Bukhari 5:268, Qur’an 33:50)
Jesus never married.
Muhammad ordered the murder of women. (Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)
Jesus never harmed any woman.
Muhammad killed captives taken in battle. (Ibn Ishaq 451)
Jesus never took captives or killed anyone.
Muhammad encouraged his men to rape their female slaves. (Abu Dawood 2150, Qur’an 4:24)
Jesus never enslaved women or encouraged rape.
Muhammad tortured people. (Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)
Jesus suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.
Muhammad said: “Fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah” (Qur’an 8:39)
Jesus said: “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you” (Matthew 5:44)
Muhammad praised the brutal murder of a half-blind man (al-Tabari 1440)
Jesus healed blind men (Mark 8:28, etc)
Muhammad ordered a slave to build the pulpit from which he preached Islam. (Bukhari 47:743)
Jesus washed his disciples feet to teach humility and servanthood. (John 13:5)
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Only Jesus can forgive sins. The stone originally was apparently white, not black. It’s thought mankind touching the stone and seeking forgiveness from God is the reason the stone is black, reflecting the sins of humanity, according to Muslim sources. 😏
Beyond the assertions of the Saudi government, the continued existence of the original Black Stone, its origins, and the historicity of whatever is currently remains contained in the silver protrusion on the side of the Ka'bah have not been independently verified. The Natural Museum of History in the United Kingdom has suggested that the stone is likely a pseudometeorite, or a terrestrial rock mistaken for a meteorite, that was first sacralized by the pagan Arabs. There is likewise no historical evidence to suggest that Ibrahim and Isma'il were responsible for the construction of the Ka'bah or, therefore, the original placement of the Black Stone.
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@generaljg4373 There are currently 30+ different versions/readings/Qira'ats/ Qurans that exist in the world today.
A Qira'at, in regards to the Quran, is an iteration of the text done by a group of scholars; there were 30 popular ones in Islam.
10 were ‘official readers’ and another 20 were students who worked underneath the readers, known as ‘transmitters’.
They were responsible for looking closely into the 'rasm' (The skeletal structure of the text) and then determined where to put dots and vowels into different places.
Here is a list of the 10 readers
Nafi al-Madani (d. 785 AD)
Ibn Kathir al Makki (d. 738 AD)
Abu'Amr Ibn al-'Ala (d. 770 AD)
Ibn Amir ad-Dimashqi (d. 736 AD)
Aasim Ibn Abi al-Najud (d. 745 AD)
Hamzah az-Zalyyat (d. 773 AD)
Al-Kisa'i (d. 804 AD)
Abu Ja'far (Medina - d. 748 AD)
Ya'qub al-Yamani (Basra - d. 821 AD)
Khalaf (Kufa - 844 AD)
The following is a list of the transmitters
Qalun (835 AD)
Al-Bazzi (d. 864 AD)
Al-Duri (d. 860)
Hisham (d.859 AD)
Shu'bah (d. 809 AD)
Khalaf (d. 844 AD)
Al-Layth (d. 854 AD)
Isa ibn Wardan (d. 777 AD)
Ruways (d. 853 AD)
Ishaq (d. 899 AD)
Warsh (812 AD)
Qunbul (d. 904 AD)
Al-Susi (d. 874 AD)
Ibn Dhakwan (d. 856 AD)
Hafs (d. 796 AD)
Khallad (d. 835 AD)
Al-Duri (d. 860 AD)
Ibn Jummaz (d. 787 AD)
Rawh (d. 849 AD)
Idris (d. 905 AD)
You are able to order any of these online.
Among all these different Qira'ats, there is an overwhelming 93,000 differences.
The one chosen to be the standard Qira'at was Hafs, in 1924. Hafs was a student/transmitter who died in 796 AD. He lived in Kufa.
Futhermore, Hafs was not even one of the 'Readers', nor did he live alongside the prophet Muhammad, nor during the time of King Uthman.
Muhammand Al-Hussaini al-Hadad an Egyptian teacher at the University in Cairo, was asked by the Bureau of Education there, to choose ‘one’ of the Qira'ats as the authoritative one.
He chose Hafs.
His credentials are not known, and no one seems to know why he chose Hafs. This took place in 1924.
The “1400 year old Uthman argument” has only been around for 100 years. It is a recent argument which is currently falling to pieces, since it is utterly failing the test of ‘Historical Criticism’.
The list above, alone, proves this matter, and unfortunately the number of different Qira'ats/Qurans continues to rise as they are being discovered and reported.
In 2016, 26 different Qurans were discovered by Hatun Tash, whom later presented them at the 'Speakers Corner' in London England with the help of Dr. Jay Smith.
They faced heavy opposition despite the clear evidence they had in their hands.
These 2 professionals have devoted many years studying the history of Islam and the authenticity of the Quran. Dr. Jay Smith began his scholarly research in this area during his time in India, and officially began taking on this issue in a public setting since 1995, starting with a debate in Cambridge.
Their findings are a phenomenal breakthrough.
No Muslim has confronted the ‘textual historical analysis’ of the Quran. The 6 manuscripts, each located in their respected places, Turkey, Uzbekistan, Paris, London, Egypt, and Yemen, were never challenged in the field of Academia until 2002–2007, by two Muslim scholars.
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@adnancoovadia4282 It's a somewhat simplistic claim that unfortunately comes up all too often on social media: Jesus is said to be a Muslim because he prayed with his face to the ground in Matthew 26:39
If so, I would like to point out that Buddhists also pray this way. A Buddhist stands, kneels and bows to Buddha. Are Buddhists also Muslims?
Do Buddhists have a legitimate argument when they claim that Muhammad was a Buddha as he prayed like a Buddhist, facing the ground?
A Roman Catholic priest being ordained also prays with his face to the ground.
In my church there are also services where we pray, kneel and bow to the ground.
Remarkably, Matthew 26 verse 39 does not say anywhere that:
Jesus on His knees prayed;
His hands and fingers pointed straight ahead;
His forehead touched the ground;
His elbows lifted from the ground;
Standing on tiptoe while kneeling, rather than resting upside down on the floor.
In the Bible verse, however, it says:
“And He went a little farther, and fell upon His face on the ground, and prayed, saying, My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as thou wilt.” (Matthew 36:39, KJV51)
The chance that Jesus prayed here taking into account the above five rules is virtually zero. The intuition of Muslim apologists could hardly be greater. It just says that Jesus fell to the ground, or as the King James Version puts it, “…fell on His face…”, or as The Book puts it, “…kneaded His face on the ground and prayed…”.
When we look at the verse, it is immediately apparent that Jesus is there praying to the Father and that is a strictly forbidden addressing of Allah in Islam (see Quran 5:18, 19:88-93). If we believe the content of the entire verse then Islam is a false religion.
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Farshid Seyed Mehdi was a fanatical Muslim. He converted to Christianity.
He points out 6 differences between Allah and the God of the Christians.
1. The God of Israel is love - 1 John 4:16
“In different religions, God does loving things. But the God of Israel is love. That is what makes the God I came to know so unique. As a Muslim, I had a very different view of God. I thought He was angry a lot and wanted to punish my sins. Allah loves me when I fulfill his conditions. But in itself it is not love. That's not in his character. Now I may know that God in His Son Jesus has given me His own life. That is love in its purest form!”
2. The God of Israel Is Recognizable - Isaiah 57:15
“I can say that my wife is sweet, but love only has meaning when there is mutual contact,” explains Farshid. “Within Islam, a relational relationship with Allah is impossible. That god is not recognizable. In fact, he doesn't want you to get to know him as a human being. Nowhere in the Qur'an does Allah show himself for the purpose of letting us know who he is. For that reason, Allah and the Prophet Muhammad should not be portrayed. Anyone who does will be punished on the basis of Islamic law (Sharia, ed.). Within Islam there must always be a distance between God and man, because we are not worthy enough to come close to Allah.
3. The God of Israel does not desire good deeds - Romans 8:7-8
“Muslims believe that Allah compares our good and bad deeds at the end of our lives. He puts them on a scale, as it were. If our bad deeds outweigh our good deeds, you will be punished. Outweigh good deeds, salvation follows. But as a human being you can never be sure of that. For the rest of your life it remains a matter of waiting to see whether or not you will end up in heaven.
4. The God of Israel Suffered Himself - Isaiah 53:4-5
“Now when I'm in pain I can know that God suffers with me, because He suffered much more than I did. The fact that Allah never descended to earth and does not know that pain ensures that there is always a distance between him and people. Allah is so 'high' and 'mighty' that pain has no meaning for him.”
5. The God of Israel dwells in us - Colossians 1:27
“The fact that God dwells in our people makes Christianity unique. God doesn't just want us to know and recognize Him. He also wants to be involved in our daily lives. That is why Jesus says in John 15:4, “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abide in the vine, neither can you unless you abide in me.”
When I was a Muslim, nothing came easy. I was obliged to pray and I was obliged to go to the mosque. Finishing a to-do list. When God comes into your life and the Holy Spirit works in your heart, the need disappears. Then “I have to pray” changes to “I want to pray.” From within arises a desire to obey God's commandments.”
6. The God of Israel Has a Son - John 3:16
“Many Islamic prayers repeat that God has no son and was never born. This is continuously emphasized so that every Muslim child is taught a way of thinking that goes directly against God's plan. It is not for nothing that the Dome of the Rock, on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, reads 'God has no son'. That is a form of manipulation.”
"The fact that Allah never descended to the earth and knows no pain, always keeps him at a distance from people."
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@youwhat491 Luke 23:34 in which Jesus makes a supplication for his enemies this is missing in p75, Codex Vaticanus and Codex Bazae. According to Christian apologist James White's website, this is an addition to Luke's writing.”
Opinions are indeed divided on this. Some scholars suggest this is original, others not. It is represented in Codex Siniaticus, the Ephraemi Rescriptus, Hegesippus and the Diatessaron (a compilation of the 4 Gospels from 160-170 AD). Thus, both sides of the argument have strong evidence for their position. Anyway, the words of the Lord Jesus are very reminiscent of the words of Stephen in Acts 7:60. The last words of Stephen (7:56, 59) are also very similar to the words of the Lord Jesus in Luke 22:69 and 23:46. These appear to be parallel verses where Stephen seems to adopt the attitude of his Lord and, like his Lord, forgive his condemners. However, here again we need to consider two things: first, it is important to keep in mind that this is not an essential doctrine that stands or falls with this text. Is it good to know if the text is original? Sure. Is it essential? No. Second, the compassion of the Lord Jesus is well represented in other places and the disciples of the Lord are also our example. Even if one wants to maintain that Jesus did not speak those words, it cannot be denied that Stephen did speak those words and thus propagated the ideas and attitude of the first Christians, as taught to them by their Lord.
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@marjan.f7441 There are currently 30+ different versions/readings/Qira'ats/ Qurans that exist in the world today.
A Qira'at, in regards to the Quran, is an iteration of the text done by a group of scholars; there were 30 popular ones in Islam.
10 were ‘official readers’ and another 20 were students who worked underneath the readers, known as ‘transmitters’.
They were responsible for looking closely into the 'rasm' (The skeletal structure of the text) and then determined where to put dots and vowels into different places.
Here is a list of the 10 readers
Nafi al-Madani (d. 785 AD)
Ibn Kathir al Makki (d. 738 AD)
Abu'Amr Ibn al-'Ala (d. 770 AD)
Ibn Amir ad-Dimashqi (d. 736 AD)
Aasim Ibn Abi al-Najud (d. 745 AD)
Hamzah az-Zalyyat (d. 773 AD)
Al-Kisa'i (d. 804 AD)
Abu Ja'far (Medina - d. 748 AD)
Ya'qub al-Yamani (Basra - d. 821 AD)
Khalaf (Kufa - 844 AD)
The following is a list of the transmitters
Qalun (835 AD)
Al-Bazzi (d. 864 AD)
Al-Duri (d. 860)
Hisham (d.859 AD)
Shu'bah (d. 809 AD)
Khalaf (d. 844 AD)
Al-Layth (d. 854 AD)
Isa ibn Wardan (d. 777 AD)
Ruways (d. 853 AD)
Ishaq (d. 899 AD)
Warsh (812 AD)
Qunbul (d. 904 AD)
Al-Susi (d. 874 AD)
Ibn Dhakwan (d. 856 AD)
Hafs (d. 796 AD)
Khallad (d. 835 AD)
Al-Duri (d. 860 AD)
Ibn Jummaz (d. 787 AD)
Rawh (d. 849 AD)
Idris (d. 905 AD)
You are able to order any of these online.
Among all these different Qira'ats, there is an overwhelming 93,000 differences.
The one chosen to be the standard Qira'at was Hafs, in 1924. Hafs was a student/transmitter who died in 796 AD. He lived in Kufa.
Futhermore, Hafs was not even one of the 'Readers', nor did he live alongside the prophet Muhammad, nor during the time of King Uthman.
Muhammand Al-Hussaini al-Hadad an Egyptian teacher at the University in Cairo, was asked by the Bureau of Education there, to choose ‘one’ of the Qira'ats as the authoritative one.
He chose Hafs.
His credentials are not known, and no one seems to know why he chose Hafs. This took place in 1924.
The “1400 year old Uthman argument” has only been around for 100 years. It is a recent argument which is currently falling to pieces, since it is utterly failing the test of ‘Historical Criticism’.
The list above, alone, proves this matter, and unfortunately the number of different Qira'ats/Qurans continues to rise as they are being discovered and reported.
In 2016, 26 different Qurans were discovered by Professor Hatun Tash, whom later presented them at the 'Speakers Corner' in London England with the help of Dr. Jay Smith.
They faced heavy opposition despite the clear evidence they had in their hands.
These 2 professionals have devoted many years studying the history of Islam and the authenticity of the Quran. Dr. Jay Smith began his scholarly research in this area during his time in India, and officially began taking on this issue in a public setting since 1995, starting with a debate in Cambridge.
Their findings are a phenomenal breakthrough.
No Muslim has confronted the ‘textual historical analysis’ of the Quran. The 6 manuscripts, each located in their respected places, Turkey, Uzbekistan, Paris, London, Egypt, and Yemen, were never challenged in the field of Academia until 2002–2007, by two Muslim scholars.
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Muhammad himself said he did not know what would happen to him on the day of judgment.
An acknowledged Hadith tells about Muhammad going to visit a house where the body of a Muslim who had died still lay. A woman addressed the dead body, saying:
“May Allah have mercy on you. I testify that Allah has honoured you. Muhammad asked the woman, “How do you know that Allah has honoured this man? “I know, by Allah,” she said. Muhammad replied, “This man, death struck him and I wish him the best in the name of Allah. By Allah, although I am the Messenger of Allah, I know not what will happen to me, just like you.”
(The Authentic of Bukhari, vol.9, book 87, no. 145. Narrated by Kharija bin Zaid bin Thabit).
You can read John chapter 5 here, but this is a saying of Jesus:
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.” John 5:24
As He was dying on the Cross, Jesus had no doubt where He was going, and a thief next to Him turned in repentance and faith to trust Him. The Lord Jesus Christ said these words to that thief:
“Truly, truly I say to you, today you shall be with me in Paradise.”
Jesus had no doubt whatever where He would go the moment He died, and He reassured the dying thief that they would meet there that very day.
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@marjan.f7441 Islam: Lying to achieve your goal is allowed.
One of the most famous Muslim theologians of all time encourages lying as long as it has a 'positive and useful' end: 'Speaking is a means to an end. If a commendable goal is attainable by both telling the truth and lying, it is not permissible to accomplish it by lying, because it is not necessary. If it is possible to achieve such a goal by lying and not by telling the truth, then it is permissible to lie, if the achievement of the goal is permissible.' (Imam Al-Ghazali). 🤭
The Gospel of Barnabas is used by some Muslims as proof that the Christians are wrong, and is seen as supporting the truth of the Qur'an. On June 26, 1986, an article appeared on the front page of the Turkish newspaper Türkiye Gazetesi, claiming that the original manuscript of the Gospel of Barnabas had been found in eastern Turkey, in Hakkari province. Two hunters are said to have found it there in a deep hole near the remains of a human. He had an old leather-bound book on his chest, estimated to be about 2,000 years old. The material of the book was a mixture of papyrus and cotton. The book is said to have been written in the Aramaic language. Research has since shown that it was not the gospel of Barnabas, but an Aramaic copy of the canonical bible. 😊
You are as much a scammer as your God Allah, the best of deceivers. 😂
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@asslammussa In order to understand verse 27, you have to understand the whole illustration.
Though Jerusalem is Jesus’ destination, he may still be at the home of Zacchaeus with his disciples. They believe that “the Kingdom of God” is soon to be set up with Jesus as King. (Luke 19:11) They misunderstand this matter, just as they fail to grasp that Jesus must die. So he gives an illustration to help them to see that the Kingdom is yet a long way off.
He says: “A man of noble birth traveled to a distant land to secure kingly power for himself and to return.” (Luke 19:12) Such a trip would take time. Clearly Jesus is the “man of noble birth” who travels to a “distant land,” to heaven, where his Father will give him kingly power.
In the illustration, before the “man of noble birth” departs, he calls ten slaves and gives each a silver mina, telling them: “Do business with these until I come.” (Luke 19:13) Literal silver minas are valuable pieces of money. A mina amounts to the wages that an agricultural worker earns in over three months.
The disciples may discern that they are like the ten slaves in the illustration, for Jesus has already likened them to harvest workers. (Matthew 9:35-38) Of course, he has not asked them to bring in a harvest of grain. Rather, the harvest consists of other disciples who can find a place in the Kingdom of God. The disciples use what assets they have to produce more heirs of the Kingdom.
What more does Jesus reveal in this illustration? He says that citizens “hated [the man of noble birth] and sent out a body of ambassadors after him to say, ‘We do not want this man to become king over us.’” (Luke 19:14) The disciples know that the Jews do not accept Jesus—some even want to kill him. After Jesus’ death and departure to heaven, the Jews in general show their view of him by persecuting his disciples. These opposers make it clear that they do not want Jesus as King.—John 19:15, 16; Acts 4:13-18; 5:40.
As for the ten slaves, how do they use their minas until the “man of noble birth” receives “kingly power” and returns? Jesus relates: “When he eventually got back after having secured the kingly power, he summoned the slaves to whom he had given the money, in order to ascertain what they had gained by their business activity. So the first one came forward and said, ‘Lord, your mina gained ten minas.’ He said to him, ‘Well done, good slave! Because in a very small matter you have proved yourself faithful, hold authority over ten cities.’ Now the second came, saying, ‘Your mina, Lord, made five minas.’ He said to this one as well, ‘You too be in charge of five cities.’”—Luke 19:15-19.
If the disciples perceive that they are like the slaves who use their assets to the full to make more disciples, they can rest assured that Jesus will be pleased. And they can trust that he will reward such diligence. Of course, not all of Jesus’ disciples have the same circumstances in life nor the same opportunities or abilities. Yet Jesus, who receives “kingly power,” will recognize and bless their loyal efforts at disciple-making.—Matthew 28:19, 20.
Note a contrast, though, as Jesus concludes his illustration: “But another [slave] came, saying, ‘Lord, here is your mina that I kept hidden away in a cloth. You see, I was in fear of you, because you are a harsh man; you take what you did not deposit, and you reap what you did not sow.’ He said to him, ‘By your own words I judge you, wicked slave. You knew, did you, that I am a harsh man, taking what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow? So why did you not put my money in a bank? Then on my coming, I would have collected it with interest.’ With that he said to those standing by, ‘Take the mina from him and give it to the one who has the ten minas.’”—Luke 19:20-24.
For failing to work to increase the wealth of his master’s kingdom, this slave experiences loss. The apostles are anticipating Jesus’ reigning in the Kingdom of God. So from what he says about this last slave, they likely perceive that if they are not diligent, they will not find a place in that Kingdom.
Jesus’ words must stimulate the loyal disciples to increased efforts. He concludes: “I say to you, to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away.” He adds that his enemies, who do not want him “to become king over them,” will experience execution. Then Jesus resumes his trip up to Jerusalem.—Luke 19:26-28
Moreover, Jesus never killed anyone. Mohammed did.
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@youwhat491 There is a statement in the Parable of the pounds (Luke 19:11-27) that many opponents of Christianity have used to convey the point that Jesus commanded his disciples to kill anyone that refuse to be ruled by Christ. In fact this is the verse:
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me."-Luke 19:27
Of course this is taken out of context and miss-interpreted. How is this a miss-interpretation? Did not Jesus make this statement? Yes he did. So how can we Christians explain this command of Jesus, to kill those who would not be ruled by him?
First of all, if you notice the disciples were not a military group. They were not equipped to make war or fight. Neither did they carry out this alleged command of Christ, did you ever wondered why? It is because Jesus did not direct them to do so, because he was reciting not his words but the words of a character in his Parable of the Pounds. The disciples knew that Jesus was just telling a story, not giving a command to be followed.
One of the reasons for this miss-interpretation of Luke 19:27 is because the opponents of Christianity have a habit of disregarding the context of the verses they cite. The context of the verse is preceded by the parable of the pounds, which is very similar to the parable of the talents. and is followed by Jesus heading to Jerusalem. The emphasis of the two parables is different from each other however. The parable of the Talents that is found in the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 25, emphasizes stewardship. The Parable of the Pounds not only emphasizes stewardship, but it also discloses what may happen to those who refuse to comply with the ruler of their time. Jesus was regarded neither as a ruler or even a nobleman. Jesus was, in many peoples eyes as a carpenter's adopted son, although he was qualified to be a king of Israel, for he was an descendant of King David. The nobles in Jesus's day were the Romans and whosoever they appointed to Govern Judea. Jesus through the teaching of this parable was making his disciples understand what rulers do when they take over a dominion, they eliminate their enemies. They squash any hint of rebellion. The disciples never took the instruction as a command to slay anyone that refused to be ruled by Jesus.
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@alonzoharris6730
The evidence in the Bible about the Trinity can be found in many places in the Old Testament.
In Gen. 1:26-27 God says, Let us make man in Our image, after Our likeness.
And God created man in His image; male and female created He them.
And in Gen. 3:22: Behold, man has become like one of Us.
These texts prove that there are multiple Divine Persons.
God names Himself plural: Let us make man in Our image
and as singular: God created.
This does not prove how many Divine Persons there are.
What is still unclear to us in the Old Testament,
becomes very clear in the New Testament.
When the Lord Jesus was baptized in the Jordan,
the voice of the Father was heard: This is My beloved Son.
The Son was in the waters of the Jordan
and the Holy Spirit was present like a dove.
It is also apparent from the baptismal formulation instituted by Christ:
Baptize all nations in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, Matt. 28:19.
In Luke. 1:35 the angel Gabriel speaks to Mary the mother of Jesus:
The Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.
Therefore also the Holy One that shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
In 2 Cor. 13:13 says, The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
Finally, in 1 Jn. 5:7: Three are witnesses in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one.
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cdkablan5677
The Bible is clear that God does not lie (Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:18). Lying is a violation of the Ninth Commandment (Exodus 20:16), and James 1:13 plainly says, "God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone." This does not contradict the statement in Ezekiel 14:9, but rather it gives us a lens for understanding what is really being said.
Israel did not seek God, and false prophets continually plagued them as a result. By the time of Ezekiel's writing, Judah's sins had separated them from God to an extent that required severe and imminent punishment. For generations, they had beaten, scorned and killed God's true prophets, who always brought a message of repentance that could have saved them from punishment. At the same time, Israel sought out and glorified false prophets who told them that they would not suffer, saying, "Do not prophesy to us right things; speak to us smooth things, prophesy deceits" (Isaiah 30:10). Israel got exactly what they asked for, and this spirit of willful rebellion is the context of Ezekiel 14:9.
Because the people had turned away from God so thoroughly and had so stubbornly refused His true prophets, God finally rejected them and turned them over to punishment. Paul's letter to the Romans puts it this way: "God gave them up to uncleanness . . . who exchanged the truth of God for the lie . . . For this reason God gave them up to vile passions . . . God gave them over to a debased mind" (Romans 1:24-28).
Ezekiel 14:9 is understood to mean that God, at that point, withdrew Himself from trying to correct the prophets and stop them from speaking lies. Rather than continuing to simply tell them that they were wrong, the time came to show them that they were wrong by carrying out the long-withheld punishment. This punishment was not a surprise—it had been clearly laid out from the beginning in Deuteronomy 28:15 and warned of repeatedly and with tears by all of God's prophets.
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@JesusisaMuslim
Paul’s first imprisonment resulted in glory for God and the salvation of many.
Paul’s second recorded arrest, which took place in Jerusalem, was prophesied beforehand (Acts 21:11); even with the warning, Paul chose to continue toward the capital. James and the elders of the church in Jerusalem greeted him warmly. They also informed him of Jewish believers who thought Paul was teaching other Jews to reject their Jewish heritage. Hoping to demonstrate this was not true, and at the advice of the elders, Paul joined four men in their purification rights. This required a visit to the temple. But some non-believing Jews from Asia recognized Paul in the temple and stirred up the crowds against him, shouting, “Fellow Israelites, help us! This is the man who teaches everyone everywhere against our people and our law and this place. And besides, he has brought Greeks into the temple and defiled this holy place” (Acts 21:28). None of this was true, but, nonetheless, the people rioted and tried to kill Paul.
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@JesusisaMuslim
Wrong
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 This was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made.
4 In it was life, and life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in the darkness, and the darkness understood it not.
6 A man was sent from God, whose name was John.
7 This one came for testimony, to testify of the light, that all through him might believe.
8 He was not the light, but was sent to bear witness to the light.
9 This was the true light, which enlighteneth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by Him; and the world knew him not.
11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, to those who believe on his name;
13 Which were not born of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the Only Begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth.
painting by Leonardo da Vinci: John the Baptist in the Wilderness
15 John beareth record of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I said, He that cometh after me is before me, for he was before me.
16 And of His fulness have we all received, also grace for grace.
17 For the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
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@marjan.f7441 Main Articles: Polygamy in Islam, Purpose of the Mahr, The Meaning of Nikah, and Dealing Justly with Wives and Orphans (Qur'an 4:3)
Islamic law prohibits Muslim women from marrying non-Muslim men. Islamic law permits men to marry up to four wives (alongside an unlimited number of concubines), while women are restricted to a single husband and are prohibited from any other form of sexual activity. Modern Islamic scholars differ on whether or not a bride may stipulate as a condition of her marriage that her husband remain monogamous.
Islamic scriptures describe the mahr, or primarily financial gift made by a groom to his bride upon the marital nikah (sexual intercourse) contract, as 'the recompense for your having had the right to intercourse with her'. The Arabic word for "marriage" is "zawaj". In Islamic law, marriage is considered under the concept of nikah, a legal and financial contract between a male and a female Muslim. Nikah literally means "sexual intercourse".
For some time as a prophet, Muhammad permitted temporary mut'ah marriages whereby men would be permitted to engage in sexual activity with a woman for a predetermined period of time in exchange for compensation. While prohibited by Sunni scholars today, the practice is still considered legitimate by many Shi'ite scholars.
Child marriage
Main Article: Child Marriage in Islamic Law
Child marriage and sexual activity between adults and children are sanctioned by Islamic law and were practiced by Muhammad and his companions. As is the case within all contexts where sexual activity is permitted in Islam - namely, marriage and slavery - female consent is not required and the category of "rape" does not exist. The only restriction on sexual activity with children of any age within the contexts of marriage and slavery is that the child should not come to severe physical harm as a consequence of the encounter.
Encouragement to marry and fondle young virgins
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: I was accompanying the Prophet on a journey and was riding a slow camel that was lagging behind the others. ... When we approached Medina, I started going (towards my house). The Prophet said, "Where are you going?" I said, "I have married a widow." He said, "Why have you not married a virgin to fondle with each other?"
Sahih Bukhari 3:38:504
Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me.
Sahih Bukhari 1:6:298
Divorce
A wife can ask her husband to divorce her, and if he releases her from the marriage, she makes a payment to him of the mahr (item or sum of financial worth) she had received or some other agreed payment. This is known as khula'. If he refuses, she can try to get a divorce by judicial decree when there are grounds for which his consent is not required (such as inability or failure to fulfil his marital obligations, desertion, insanity, or cruelty).
There is a consensus among classical Islamic scholars that if a woman converts to Islam and her husband fails to, their marriage is nullified. This ruling is derived, in part, from Quran 60:10. The classical scholars also ruled that if on the other hand a husband converts to Islam, the marriage remains intact so long as his wife is a Christian or Jew. If a Muslim husband or wife leaves Islam, the marriage to his or her Muslim spouse is immediately annulled, though some held that the marriage is unaffected if only the wife leaves the religion, while others said that she becomes the husband's slave.
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@szuvibes9474
I have seen many Muslims quote Romans 3:7 as “evidence” that Paul supposedly admitted lying.
But if through my lie God’s truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?
Romans 3:7
If you had actually read Romans 3, you would have learned that Paul was answering a series of question, right from verse 1! Question after question.
In fact, I count at least 15 questions in this chapter. The chapter is almost like an FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) that Paul tackles.
Paul states the question, objection or argument and then he proceeds to answer the questions, refute the objections and destroy the arguments!
Romans 3:7 is literally FAQ Question 7 in the chapter! (Yes, I counted it! :)) So it was not Paul’s asking or saying anything in Romans 3:7. He was re-stating a question that someone asked and if you read on, you will find that he goes on to answer the question!
If you turn to the next chapter Roman 4, guess what? You will see another question right at verse 1. The FAQ continues!
So Muslims, you need to read every verse in its context. No verse stands alone. You cannot take one verse out and try to read your opinions or bias into it. Rather, you have to interpret the verse in the context of not only the passage or chapter but also the entire book and indeed, the whole Bible.
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@adnancoovadia4282 Muhammad was not sinless.
“O God, I acknowledge and confess before You, all my sins, please forgive them, because none can forgive sins except You. Forgive my mistakes, those done on purpose, or out of ignorance, with or without seriousness. O God, forgive my sins and my ignorance, forgive my past and future sins, which I did openly or in secret. Forgive the wrong I did, whether as a joke or seriously. I seek Your protection from all the wrong I did. Wash away my sins, and cleanse my heart from all sins as a white garment is cleansed from the filth, and let there be great distance between me and my sins, as You made the east and the west far from each other.”
THE QURAN EVIDENCE THAT MOHAMMED WAS A SINNER
The Quran identifies Muhammad as a sinner: Sura 40:55, Sura 48:2, and Sura 47:19:
Have patience, surely Allah's promise is true. And seek protection from your sin, and honor your Lord morning and evening with the praise that is His due. Sura 40:55
So that Allah may protect you from your past and future sins (attributed to you) and that He may complete His favor upon you…Sura 48:2
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@adnancoovadia4282 Jesus is certainly not a racist and He is besides Prophet, King and Priest.
If you study their biographies, Jesus and Muhammad lived very different lives. Their actions, their words and their teachings were different.
Muhammad said: “Allah hates those who don’t accept Islam.” (Qur’an 30:45, 3:32, 22:38)
Jesus said: God loves the whole world and desires salvation for all. (John 3:16)
Muhammad said: “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.” (Ibn Ishaq 992)
Jesus said: “Love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 5:14)
Muhammad said: “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” (Muslim 1:33)
Jesus said: “I have come to seek and save those who are lost.” (Luke 19:10)
Muhammad stoned women for adultery. (Muslim 4206)
Jesus saved a woman from being stoned for adultery. (John 8:7)
Muhammad permitted Muslim stealing from unbelievers. (Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)
Jesus said: “You shall not steal.” (Matthew 19:18)
Muhammad permitted Muslims to lie. (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
Jesus said: “You shall not (lie) bear false witness.” (Matthew 19:18)
Muhammad owned and traded slaves. (Sahih Muslim 3901)
Jesus never owned or traded any slaves.
Muhammad and his followers beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys. (Sahih Muslim 4390)
Jesus and his followers beheaded no one.
Muhammad ordered the murder of those who insulted him. (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)
Jesus preached forgiveness. (Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)
Muhammad said: Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one’s position in Paradise by a hundred fold. (Muslim 4645)
Jesus said: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God” (Matthew 5:9)
Muhammad married 13 wives and kept many sex slaves. (Bukhari 5:268, Qur’an 33:50)
Jesus never married.
Muhammad ordered the murder of women. (Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)
Jesus never harmed any woman.
Muhammad killed captives taken in battle. (Ibn Ishaq 451)
Jesus never took captives or killed anyone.
Muhammad encouraged his men to rape their female slaves. (Abu Dawood 2150, Qur’an 4:24)
Jesus never enslaved women or encouraged rape.
Muhammad tortured people. (Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)
Jesus suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.
Muhammad said: “Fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah” (Qur’an 8:39)
Jesus said: “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you” (Matthew 5:44)
Muhammad praised the brutal murder of a half-blind man (al-Tabari 1440)
Jesus healed blind men (Mark 8:28, etc)
Muhammad ordered a slave to build the pulpit from which he preached Islam. (Bukhari 47:743)
Jesus washed his disciples feet to teach humility and servanthood. (John 13:5)
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@JesusisaMuslim
Why are you quoting John 17: 3 as a proof-text to deny the Trinity and claim that Jesus Christ is not God. Your reason is that if Jesus is God, then He would not have called the Father, “the only true God.
The context of Jesus’ comment was that He was speaking as a man to His God. Remember, Jesus is both God and man, the second person of the Trinity, and the word made flesh (John 1:1, 14). Since He was both divine and man, as a man, He would naturally and properly say that His Father was the only True God. He was not denying His own divinity but affirming the Trueness of God as was done in the OT: “Now, O LORD our God, deliver us from his hand that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that You alone, LORD, are God,” (Isaiah 37:20). The truth is that Jesus was a man made under the Law (Gal. 4:4); and as a man, He would be subject to God. Only, in this case, Jesus was subject to the Father. That is why Jesus called the Father the only true God; but it is not a phrase that excludes Christ, for Christ Himself said, “Before Abraham was, I am,” (John 8:58) and did not deny being called God by Thomas in John 20:28.
And so I can still prove with numerous proofs that Jesus is God.
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@generaljg4373 The concept of hypostasis (Greek: hypostasis) has played an important role in theology, both in the doctrine of the Trinity and in Christology. In the fourth century, Greek fathers developed the doctrine of the Trinity using this term. The unity of Father, Son and Spirit was expressed through the concept of ousia, essence or essence: they are one of essence, homoousios (Latin: consubstantialis). The term "hypostasis" was used for the trinity: one being (ousia), three hypostases or "persons" (prosôpon, Latin: persona; the word "person" here does not have exactly the same meaning as in modern times). Subsequently, in the fifth century, the relationship between deity and humanity in Christ has been termed "hypostasis." According to the council of Chalcedon (451) Christ is one hypostasis or "person" (prosôpon, persona) in two natures, the divine nature and the human nature. There was also talk of the "hypostatic union" of the two natures in Christ.
The simplest situation is that one nature has its real existence in a hypostasis, eg the individual nature of a tree exists in the hypostasis of that tree. However, a man can be said on the one hand to have one human nature, on the other hand to consist of two united natures: the nature of his body and the nature of his soul. Now man is one hypostasis in which the two natures of body and soul are united. In a similar way the incarnation was seen: Christ is one hypostasis in which his divine nature and his human nature are united.
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@marjan.f7441 There are indications that the Qur'an has been changed from the beginning. In the hadith (Sunan Ibn Majah 3:9:1944) Aisha relates that 'the Qur'anic verse about stoning and breastfeeding was under her pillow.' However, when Muhammad died and they were doing it, 'a sheep came and ate the verse.' In today's Qur'an there is no verse about breastfeeding, but according to Aisha there has been.
The well-known commentator Al-Suyuti (died 1505) mentions that verses of the Qur'an have been lost. For example, he cites 'Umar bin al-Khattaab who is said to have said that 'much of the Qur'an has been lost' (As-Suyuti, Itqan, vol. 3, p. 72). He also refers to Ibn Ka'b, who at one point asks one of the Muslims how many verses surah al-ahzaab contains. The answer is 73, although according to Ibn Ka'b there were originally about 286 verses.
This indicates that the verses already before the final composition of the Qur'an have been lost, so there can be no question that the Qur'an has been completely preserved from the beginning.
From the first centuries of Islam, there have been several readings/versions of the Quran. From the year 736, about 100 years after the death of Muhammad in 632, several Qurans appear. These include Ibn Kathir, Nafi, and Al-Kisai. These are all different readings of the Quran. In fact, the case was that the Arabic script was limited at the time, which presented the following problems:
1) Arabic was written without dots. This can lead to you sometimes having multiple letters that are indistinguishable from each other! For example, the following letters are exactly the same without dots: ح (h), خ (g), ج (dj).
2) Arabic was written without signs for short vowels. These are the fatha (a), the damma (u), and the kasra (i). There were also no signs for double consonants (shadda) and a stop at the end of a letter (sukun).
It is easy to imagine that this leads to an enormous variation in possible pronunciations for a word!
In the 10th century, Ibn Mujahid tried to address this problem by choosing 7 readings. However, each of these were again passed on by two people. Each of them had their own reading, so in the end there were still 14 versions.
This did not solve the problem either, and the number of versions eventually ran into the hundreds. Ibn Al-Jazari (1350-1429) made his own selection and reduced the number to 30. These 30 versions consisted of 10 official versions, of which two students came with their own lecture for each version. There are at least 93,000 differences in letters, words, and reading between these versions, according to research by Jay Smith (see Pfander Films) in 2020.
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@marjan.f7441 Today there are more than 30 different Qurans. The problem of the different readings of the Qur'an has never been solved. Today there are still more than 30 different Qurans! However, in 1924 Hafs' reading was canonized by the authoritative University of Cairo, so designated as the only official version of the Qur'an. The Hafs is now the most widely used version and is used by about 95% of all Muslims. However, other versions have not disappeared and are therefore still in circulation.
The Warsh (3%) is the second most used version and is mainly used in North Africa. However, there are already more than 5000 differences between the Hafs and the Warsh!
An example of this is Sura 3:146: in the Hafs it says قَتَلَ (qatala, 'killed') and in the Warsh it says قُتِلَ (qutila, 'were killed'). Did the prophets in this verse kill or were they killed? Both versions contradict each other.
This makes it clear that we cannot speak of one Qur'an, but of several. In addition, these different versions contain thousands of differences.
These criticisms show that it is unlikely that the Islamic tradition regarding the origin of the Quran and the preservation of the text is reliable. Ibn Warraq (The origins of the Quran, 1998) expresses his surprise at the fact that some historians, on the one hand, recognize the problems of the Islamic tradition, but on the other hand accept this same tradition as true. Fortunately, thanks in particular to new publications about the Qur'an, more and more people are gaining insight into the true background of the Qur'an.
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@marjan.f7441 In addition to the Qur'an, the hadith and the biography of Muhammad (written by Ibn Ishaq) are authoritative scriptures in Islam. In terms of reliability, however, these are not much better.
If we look at the hadith, we see that there are multiple collections that together have tens of thousands of different traditions. These traditions are either sayings of Muhammad or shorter or longer accounts of what Muhammad and his companions did.
Of all these collections, six are considered reliable, two of them in particular, namely Saheeh al-Bukhari and Saheeh Muslim. Of these last two collections, each tradition is considered authentic, while the other four may also have a lower degree of reliability.
The problem is that for the year 830 there is no hadith available. That means that all the traditions we have were written down at least 200 years after Muhammad's death. However, because traditions were passed on orally at that time, it is very likely that changes have occurred over the course of 200 years.
There is also the problem of numbers. According to tradition, Muhammed al-Buchari made a selection from 600,000 traditions (J.A.C. Brown, Hadith: Muhammad's Legacy in the Medieval and Modern World, p. 32), and reduced this to more than 7563, by selecting on the basis of the chain of narrators (the isnad). This is what we have now in Saheeh al-Bukhari. The other collections were created in the same way. However, it is doubtful whether a person with the resources of the time can verify so many stories and statements for reliability.
Mohammed's biography is not much more reliable. The original version of Ibn Ishaq was copied by Ibn Hisham. However, Ibn Hisham indicates in his copy that he has omitted "shameful details". So the version we have today is incomplete! In addition, Ibn Hisham died in 833 or 834, so about 200 years after Muhammad. This means that his biography, like the hadith, was published very late.
All in all, the hadith and the biography of Mohammed are not much more reliable than the Quran. Nevertheless, these writings continue to be regarded as authoritative in Islam.
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There is no compulsion in religion. Surely the right path is distinguished from error; therefore, he who denies the devil and believes in Allah has taken hold of a strong hold, which is unbreakable. Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
The verse that follows makes the limits of this “no compulsion” a little clearer:
2.257. Allah is the Friend of those who believe; He brings them out of darkness into light. But the friends of the unbelievers are the devils, they bring them out of light into darkness; these are the inhabitants of the fire, in them they shall dwell.
5.32. For this reason We ordained for the children of Israel, that whosoever killeth a man, except for the slaying of others, or for causing disorder in the land, it were as if he had slain all mankind, and to him who gives birth to one, as if he had given life to all mankind. And verily Our messengers came to them with clear signs and yet - afterward - many of them on earth became transgressors.
the Qur'anic verse mentions a precept that Allah gave to the Jews "the children of Israel" in time. The question is whether this is still valid, since Allah has prescribed new provisions in the Qur'an and canceled old ones.
- the Qur'anic verse also explicitly allows killing in retaliation for murder and for creating disorder in the country.
What it means to "make disorder in the land" is clarified in the following verse:
5.33. The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His messengers and strive to create disorder in the land is only that they be killed or crucified, or that their hands and their feet be cut off on the one right and the other on the left, or that they be expelled from the country. That will be a disgrace to them in this world, and they will receive a great punishment in the Hereafter.
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The Muslims repeatedly claim that the Bible has been corrupted and that the Qur’an is the only trustworthy scripture in existence. This is why Muslims often attack the Bible. But this cannot be according to the Quran. The Quran says that the books of Moses, the Psalms, and the gospel were all given by God.
Torah – “We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers,” (Sura 2:87).
Psalms – “We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma’il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms,” (4:163).
Gospel – “It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong),” (3:3).
Also, “And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah,” (5:46).
We see that the Qur’an states that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel were all given by God. With this, we Christians heartily agree. But, the Muslims claim that the Bible is corrupted and full of contradictions. If that is so, then it would seem they do not believe the Qur’an since the Qur’an says that the Word of God cannot be altered:
“Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers,” (6:34).
“The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all,” (6:115).
“For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity,” (10:64).
When Muhammad (570-632) was alive, he claimed to receive the revelation of the Qu’ran from Allah. This means that at that time the Bible, which was in existence, could not have been corrupted because the Qu’ran states that God’s word cannot be corrupted. The question I have for the Muslims is “When and where was the Bible corrupted since the Qu’ran says that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel are from Allah and Allah’s words cannot be changed?”
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@generaljg4373 Contradictions in the Qur’an :
What was man created from: blood, clay, dust, or nothing?
“Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,” (96:2).
“We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
“The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was,” (3:59).
“But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?” (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
“He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).
Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur’an?
“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things,” (2:256).
“And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage, – that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith,” (9:3).
“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful,” (9:5).
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued,” (9:29).
The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?
“And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam,” (39:12).
“When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: “O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee.” Allah said: “By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me.” When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: “Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe.” (7:143).
“And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; “Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam,” (2:132).
Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?
Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed,” (4:48). Also 4:116
The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: “Show us Allah in public,” but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority,” (4:153).
Are Allah’s decrees changed or not?
“Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers,” (6:34).
“The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?” (2:106).
When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, “Thou art but a forger”: but most of them understand not,” (16:101).
Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?
“We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: “I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): “Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!” (10:90-92).
Moses said, “Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!” So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him,” (17:102-103).
Is wine consumption good or bad?
O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,–of Satan’s handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper,” (5:90).
(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell forever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?” (47:15).
Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed,” (83:22-25).
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@aaronharun1394H Why Allah never revealed himself? No one will ever see Allah. You are yelling Allahu akbar. He does not know our misery. How can he judge us. Let Allah come to our body and see for himself. Christ has done that.
He became a man, He endured our miseries. He carried the cross, He died and resurrected.
I Believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, And of all things visible and invisible :
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, Begotten of the Father before all worlds, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, Begotten, non made, Being of one substance with the Father, By whom all things were made : Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, And was incarnate of the Holy Ghost and the Virgin Mary, And was made man, And was crusified also for us under Pontius Pilate.
He suffered and was buried, And the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, And ascended into heaven, And sitteth on the right hand of the father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead : Whose kingdom shall have no end.
And in the Holy Ghost, The Lord and giver of life, Who proceedeth from the Father, Who spake by the Prophets.
And in one Holy, Catholick and Apostolick Church. I acknowledge one Baprtism for the remission of sins. And I look for the Resurrection of the dead, And the life of the world to come. Amen.
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@marjan.f7441 In his "Biography of Muhammad" (on pages 165 to 167 referred to in the table of contents as "His temporary concession to polytheism") Ibn Ishaq writes: "the Apostle was concerned for the welfare of his people" - the pagan Quraysh - and “looked for a way to attract them”. In the end, it was the leaders of the Quraysh themselves who came to him with a proposal. They offered him wives and money, even wanted to crown him king—if he would accept their terms in return. “This is what we offer you, Mohammed, stop taunting our gods and do not speak ill of them. If you agree, we will provide you with an opportunity that will benefit you and us.”
What is it?" asked Mohammed.
“You will worship our gods, al-Lat and al-'Uzza for a year, and we will worship your God for a year.”
After initially rejecting this offer, Muhammad received a revelation saying that it was permissible for Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat, the three favorite goddesses of the pagan Quraysh as intercessors with Allah. The Quraysh rejoiced and knelt with Muhammad and the Muslims before Allah after Muhammad recited the new revelation.
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And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers” [Aal ‘Imran 3:85]
Islam does not regard them (followers of other religions) only as sinners, but as kaafirs (disbelievers) who will abide forever in the Fire of Hell. (Tafseer al-Tabari, 3/339)
What Jesus DIDN’T do:
– follow his own Jewish culture’s prejudicial norms
– condemn or rebuke
– warn of judgment or hell
– argue theology, debate, quote the Scriptures, ask if people wanted to know the Gospel, or ask people to change anything.
Think about that for a moment. Jesus didn’t try to convince people to believe anything new, change any behavior, or join his group. He simply loved them, praised the good in them, and only answered the questions they were actually asking. ❤✝️
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@aaronharun1394H Perhaps you have not read your Quran properly?
Sura 26:
Thou shalt fight the Jews until even the stone behind which a Jew hides himself cries out to you: 'Servant of God, behold a Jew behind me: kill him!'"
Sura 2:193, 8:39;
“Fight them until idolatry ceases to exist and religion belongs wholly to Allah.”
Sura 3:200
“O believers, persevere patiently and patiently resist and equip yourselves for battle and fear Allah.”
Surah 4:76
“Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, but the disbelievers fight in the way of the idol. So fight the henchmen of Satan.”
Sura 4:84
“Fight then in the way of Allah, without bearing a burden except for yourself, and exhort the believers.”
Sura 4:89 (Specifically against those who apostate Islam is the verse):
“If they turn from you, seize them and put them to death wherever you find them; and take neither friend nor helper from among them.”
Sura 5:33
“But the punishment for those who fight Allah and His Messenger and bring ruin (= disbelief) in the land is that they be killed or crucified, that both their hands or feet are cut off, or that they are exiled.”
Surah 8:12
“I will sow terror in the hearts of the disbelievers. Cut off their heads, mutilate them in all limbs.”
Surah 8:60
“And prepare against them with what you have of fortitude and horse power, to terrify Allah's enemy with it.”
Surah 8:65
“O thou prophet, exhort the believers to battle.”
Sura 9:5
“Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, take them captive and besiege them and prepare them for all kinds of ambush.”
Surah 9:14
“Fight them. Allah will punish them by your hands and humiliate them.”
Surah 9:29
“Fight those who disbelieve in Allah, nor in the Last Day, and who do not make forbidden what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden (= the Gentiles), and those who do not adhere to the true religion among those to whom the Scriptures is given (= Jews and Christians), until they pay the tribute out of hand in submission.”
Surah 9:41
“Come out lightly and heavily laden and fight, with your possessions and your person, in the way of Allah.”
Surah 9:73 and 66:9
“War war against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal with them harshly.”
(The "hypocrites" were those who gave Muhammad his will and declared him a prophet, but were refusing to effectively support his jihad.)
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@bensaid5805 Verse 21 - Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven.'
In this verse, Jesus specifically speaks of the false prophets of the previous verses, who say “Lord, Lord” to Him. But what Jesus is saying here has a broader application.
In Matthew 25, where Jesus gives us the parable of the wise and foolish virgins, Jesus is not speaking specifically about the false prophets, but about people who were and were not ready to be taken by the Lord to the heavenly kingdom at His return. .This also applies to us!
By calling Jesus 'Lord' you mean that you have surrendered your whole life, every fiber of your being, all your wishes, dreams, desires and plans to His Lordship.
He is now in control of your life, He is setting your course, He is in control of your life, He is in charge, He is in control of your life, in short, He is Lord and Master over your entire life !
For Jesus Christ has bought you with His precious blood.
This is what it means to have Jesus as Lord over your life.
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@Servant-Of-Al-Qudus The key phrase to notice in this passage is "not yet." Jesus says His time has not yet come, and He does so twice in this short exchange (v. 6, 8).
To His brothers, on the other hand, Jesus said, "your time is always here." What we see from this is that Jesus was not lying, but rather saying that He was not going at the time His brothers thought He should be going, and He was not going with them. "Not yet" does not mean "not at all." In this, we can also see that Jesus was speaking metaphorically in saying that His time had not yet come, because He knew that He would ultimately be crucified, but it was net yet the time for that to take place.
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@filterscape
We believe that the one God eternally exists in three Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; and that these three are one God, co-equal and co-eternal, having precisely the same nature and attributes, and worthy of precisely the same worship, confidence, and obedience. Matthew 3:16, 17; Matthew 28:19, 20; Mark 12:29; John 1:14; Acts 5:3, 4; II Corinthians 13:14.
One God and One Only
Exists in three Persons
Equal and Eternal
Worthy of equal praise and worship
Distinct yet acting in unity
Constituting the one true God of the Bible.
Christians don't believe in three Gods. That's a heresy called Tritheism. Second, we don't believe that the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are three "forms" of God—like, steam, water and ice. That's the heresy called Modalism. Third, we don't believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are "parts" or "pieces" or God. That would imply that Jesus is 1/3rd God, the Father is 1/3rd God, and the Holy Spirit is 1/3rd God.
The Trinity is taught in both the Old and the New Testaments. It is taught by implication in the Old and by direct statement in the New.
For instance, the Bible contains numerous clear statements regarding the unity of God: Deuteronomy 6:4 tells us that "the Lord is one." 1 Corinthians 8:4 adds that "there is no God but one." 1 Timothy 2:5 explicitly says "there is one God.
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@Yousef-r4t-h1h
The Quran was written in the seventh century, almost 600 years after the Crucifixion of Christ. The Gospels, in contrast, were written thirty-five to sixty-five years after the events they describe.
Early canonical and non-canonical Christian sources testify to Jesus’s Crucifixion, and we can also confirm that early non-Christian sources confirm our case. In the first century, Roman historian Tacitus and Jewish historian Josephus confirm more than just Christ’s Crucifixion: they note Pilate’s association with the execution. Tacitus, referring to crucifixion as the “extreme penalty,” writes in The Annals:
Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus (15.44).
Recent scholarship persuasively confirms that the four Gospels are based on eyewitness testimony.
No mainstream scholar today argues against Jesus’ historical existence. In fact, nearly all New Testament scholars today, many of whom are non-Christians and skeptics, consider not only Christ’s existence but his Crucifixion to be “historical bedrock.
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@JudeOne3Four
Too bad you don't read the Bible in context. You are trying to prove with John 17:3 that Jesus is not God.
You say that this passage proves that Jesus Himself agrees that there is only one true God, which is not Himself, since He refers to Himself as separate and distinct from the “true God.”
John chapter 17 is a prayer from Jesus to the Holy Father. Since this is a prayer, it is only natural for Jesus to refer to God the Father separately. In that prayer Jesus initially prays that both the Father and the Son be glorified (John 17:1–5). Next, He prays for His disciples (John 17:6–19). Finally, He prays for all believers, both current and future (John 17:20–26). These requests come at the time just prior to the Garden of Gethsemane where Jesus was ultimately betrayed by Judas Iscariot and taken prisoner by the Romans (John 18:1–14). The fact that Jesus (the Son) and God (the Father) are presented as separate Beings is nothing new. In fact, the first time we hear from God the Father in the New Testament is at the baptism of Jesus. There, God says, “This is My Son, whom I love; with Him I am well pleased” (Matthew 3:17). Distinction of person does not equate to a lack of oneness.
Jesus claimed to be one with God, and that made His enemies furious. In John 10:30, Jesus states unequivocally, “I and the Father are one.” The next verse says, “His Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him” (John 10:31). Jesus’ claim to be God amounted to blasphemy in the eyes of the Jewish leaders. Jesus goes on to question them: “Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son?’ Do not believe Me unless I do the works of My Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father” (John 10:36–38). Here, Jesus is challenging these skeptics to look at the miracles He had performed and come up with an explanation other than that Jesus and God the Father are one.
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@szuvibes9474
I don't know where you get the so-called wisdom from. Nowhere does Paul literally say that lying is permitted by God's will.
Paul returns again to the question raised in verse 5, somewhat re-phrasing it, using a more specific example. This challenge strikes at Paul's argument about God's judgment on human sinfulness. The basic claim is this: If telling a lie further displays God's truthfulness, leading to His glory, why should He condemn me for that lie? Paul has previously said that our sin does indeed result in proving God's righteous sinlessness. So if our sin brings glory to Him, in a sense, should He really condemn us for it?
Paul states in the following verse that some people were accusing him of teaching exactly this: that human sin leads to God's glory, so we might as well do more of it. Paul refutes the very idea of this in two directions. First, God's righteousness means, by definition, that He cannot be unrighteous. He is the standard of goodness and truth, so His judgment of our sin is by definition completely fair and justified. We deserve it.
Second, as Paul will write in the following verses, human sinfulness is inevitable. We do not sin, in any way, with an intent to bring glory to God. We sin because we are sinners. Later, Paul will more directly refute that salvation is a license to sin (Romans 6:1). For now, particularly in the next verse, he will brush aside this criticism as rank slander (Romans 3:8).
Romans 3:1–8 contains a series of questions which might have come from someone opposed to Paul's teaching in Romans 2. Using this challenge-response structure, Paul clarifies that being Jewish and circumcised still comes with great advantages. He also points out that God remains faithful to the Jewish people in spite of their sin. In fact, His faithfulness in the face of unfaithfulness increases His glory. That does not mean, however, that God wants human beings to continue to sin, as you was accusing Paul of teaching.
Romans 3 begins with a question-and-answer scheme. These are responses one might expect from someone opposed to what Paul wrote in Romans 2. Next, Paul quotes from a series of Old Testament passages. These Scriptures show that those writers also agreed that nobody, not one person, deserves to be called righteous. Paul declares emphatically that no one will be justified by following the works of the law. Finally, though, he arrives at the good news: righteousness before God is available apart from the law through faith in Christ's death for our sin on the cross.
The prior chapter explained that God's judgment on sin will come to all men, whether or not they understand the literal law. Faith in God, in the heart, matters more to God than rote obedience. At the start of this chapter, Paul answers a series of questions from an imagined objector to those teachings. Next, he quotes a series of Old Testament passages which support His teaching that human beings are by nature sinful. Each of us turns away from God. Nobody can be justified by the law, Paul insists. Fortunately, it is possible to attain God's righteousness: but only by His grace, through faith in Christ's atoning sacrifice for our sin on the cross. We must come to this by faith, and it is available to Jews and Gentiles alike.
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@T-19- Are you talking about contradictions in the Bible?
2.256. There is no compulsion in religion. Surely the right path is distinguished from error; therefore, he who denies the devil and believes in Allah has taken hold of a strong hold, which is unbreakable. Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
The verse that follows makes the limits of this “no compulsion” a little clearer:
2.257. Allah is the Friend of those who believe; He brings them out of darkness into light. But the friends of the unbelievers are the devils, they bring them out of light into darkness; these are the inhabitants of the fire, in them they shall dwell.
5.32. For this reason We ordained for the children of Israel, that whosoever killeth a man, except for the slaying of others, or for causing disorder in the land, it were as if he had slain all mankind, and to him who gives birth to one, as if he had given life to all mankind. And verily Our messengers came to them with clear signs and yet - afterward - many of them on earth became transgressors.
the Qur'anic verse mentions a precept that Allah gave to the Jews "the children of Israel" in time. The question is whether this is still valid, since Allah has prescribed new provisions in the Qur'an and canceled old ones.
- the Qur'anic verse also explicitly allows killing in retaliation for murder and for creating disorder in the country.
What it means to "make disorder in the land" is clarified in the following verse:
5.33. The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His messengers and strive to create disorder in the land is only that they be killed or crucified, or that their hands and their feet be cut off on the one right and the other on the left, or that they be expelled from the country. That will be a disgrace to them in this world, and they will receive a great punishment in the Hereafter.
There is no compulsion in religion. In faith there is no compulsion (2:256; 3:21; 10:99,100)
- Any religion one wants to believe in is acceptable (5:69)
- Kill the disbelievers wherever they are. Fight the unbelievers (2:191-193; 8:12 and 9:123)
- Only the Muslim religion is good (2:120; 3:20,62-64,95)
- The Jews and the Christians and the Sabians who put faith in Allah and the last day will be saved (2:62,63; 5:69)
Prophets:
- There is no difference between the prophets (2:137,285)
- We have considered one prophet more important than another (2:253)
Jesus:
- Jesus was not killed (4:158,159)
- Jesus was killed (3:55,56; 19:33)
The funny thing is that the Quran also writes the following:
S: 4:82 If the verses do not agree with each other or contain contradictions, it means that they are not the word of Allah. With this phrase the Quran undermines its own truth.
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@JesusisaMuslim
And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone,” (Mark 10:18).
Does this verse mean that Jesus is not good? Jesus said only God was good. Then, if we use the Muslim logic, Jesus is not good. Of course, that doesn’t make any sense.
Jesus was subject to the Father (John 5:30).
Jesus did not come to do his own will, but the will of the Father (Luke 22:42).
Jesus was not sent of his own initiative but of the initiative of the Father (John 8:28).
Under the law, if Jesus was obligated to fulfill that law, which included worshiping God (John 17).
Having laid this foundation, we can then see why Jesus would say that he could do nothing of his own initiative. It was not that he did not have a will or a desire to do things. The issue is that Jesus had come to do the will of the father and he was completely in subjection to the father. Therefore, in that complete subjection, he could do nothing on his own initiative.
This does not mean that Jesus is not divine. It means that Jesus, having two natures, and one of them being human, subjected himself voluntarily to the law, as a man, and operated completely under the requirements of a man.
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One English-language Muslim website, which claims to have had over 2.9 million visitors, provides a number of helpful rules for the perplexed:
One should enter the toilet with one’s left foot and exit with one’s right foot.
One should not talk or sit for a long time or read anything like a newspaper, or sing a song.
One should neither face Mecca nor turn one’s back toward it while urinating or defecating.
One should remove the feces on one’s anus with one’s finger, then wash one’s hand.
When cleaning the private parts after answering the call of nature, men should wash them from the back to the front. Women should wash them from the front to the back. Thus, the genitals will not be smeared with filth, nor will it cause one to be sexually aroused by the stimulation of fingers.
One should sprinkle some water over one’s underpants after cleaning one’s private parts. By doing so, when one notices wetness on one’s underpants, one will not feel doubt as to whether it is urine or not.
One should not look at one’s private parts or spit into the toilet.
The right hand is placed on the right cheek and the left hand is placed on the left one. When there is the need to use a hand, the right hand should remain on the right cheek and the left hand should be used. This is the proper way.
Cleaning the private parts with stones and similar materials is an acceptable substitute for cleaning them with water. 😂
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@syedhasan5861 Having given the Corinthians Christians additional insight into the glories of the new body that awaits every Church-age believer at the resurrection / rapture of the Body of Christ, Paul reminds us that each one of us will also stand before the judgement seat of Christ, following this event. However, it is only those who are saved by grace through faith, during the dispensation of grace, that will appear before Christ's judgement seat.
We will not be judged for our sins, for our sin was judged at the cross. Christ took the punishment for our sins, so that by grace through faith in Him, so we might be forgiven of our sins. The punishment that we deserve was poured out on the Lord Jesus, in our stead. Jesus paid the full price for our sin and for the sin of the whole world, so that whosoever believes on Him might not perish, but have everlasting life.
The full force of God's wrath against sin was poured out on Jesus, instead of being poured on us. Christ was identified with us and with our sin - so that we might be identified with Him and with His righteousness - and for that reason, Jesus was born into the human race, so that He could become our Kinsman-Redeemer, and pay the price for our sin.
Nevertheless, we will be judged - not for our sin but on how we lived our lives. Each of us is to receive recompense for the good deeds we carried out, during our sojourn on earth. Good works - works of righteousness, which are carried out by our 'new-man in Christ', in submission to the Spirit of God will be rewarded. However, bad deeds - works of unrighteousness, that were undertaken by the old sin nature, will suffer loss of reward.
We will not be asked to give evidence for one another, but we will be required to stand alone, and give an account of how we lived our Christian life - whether for good or ill.
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@youwhat491 The second line of Psalm 22 reads:
"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
About a thousand years after the psalm was written, Jesus cried out exactly the same words on the cross (see Matthew 27:46):
"At the end thereof, in the ninth hour, Jesus gave a cry and cried aloud, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' That is, 'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?'"
Jesus died with the opening words of this psalm on his lips. Jesus prays this psalm in his Passover - this psalm, which is about his ultimate surrender.
Psalm 22 is quoted and applied in the NT when it comes to Jesus' death. Thus, the psalm describes in detail what the people around the cross are going to say when the Messiah looks death in the eye.
"But I am a worm and not a man, despised by all, despised by the people. All who see me mock me, they shake their heads with pity: 'Turn to the LORD! Let him save you, let him deliver you, he loves you, doesn't he?'" (Psalm 22:7-9)
Jesus was laughed at on the cross, so we can conclude from the Bible book of Luke:
"The people stood by. The leaders taunted him and said, 'Others he has saved; now let him save himself if he is the Messiah of God, his chosen one!' The soldiers also mocked him and stood before him and offered him sour wine, saying, "If you are the king of the Jews, save yourself!" Above him was an inscription: 'This is the king of the Jews.' One of the criminals crucified mockingly said to him, 'You are the Messiah, aren't you? Save yourself and us with it!'” (Luke 23:35-39 )
In Matthew 27:43 we read:
"'He has put his trust in God, now let it save him, if he pleases him. For he has said, 'I am the Son of God.'"
It is amazing that in this psalm, a thousand years before it actually happened, we find a description of what people are going to say when Jesus dies on the cross. This defies the mind. In the psalm, David describes the passion of the Son of David—one of Jesus' Messianic titles—and how people will mock Him. And how they look on with glee:
"I can count all my bones. They watch with glee." (Psalm 22:18)
In Luke 23:35 it says:
"The people stood by. The leaders taunted him and said, 'Others he has saved; now let him save himself if he is the Messiah of God, his chosen one!'"
The details about the suffering and death of Jesus the Messiah and what happens during the crucifixion are striking. His side was pierced:
Jesus was thirsty:
"My strength is as dry as a potsherd, My tongue clings to my palate, You lay me down in the dust of death." (Psalm 22:16)
“Then Jesus knew that all was accomplished, and to fulfill the scriptures he said, 'I thirst.'” (John 19:28)
His hands and feet were pierced:
"Dogs surround me, a savage mob surrounds me, they have pierced my hands and feet." (Psalm 22:17)
"When the other disciples told him, 'We have seen the Lord!' he said, "Only if I see and feel with my fingers the nail wounds in his hands, and if I can put my hand on his side, will I believe it." A week later the disciples were together again and Thomas was now with them. While the doors were closed, Jesus came and stood in their midst. "Peace be with you!" he said, and then he turned to Thomas, "Put your fingers here and look at my hands, and put your hand on my side. Do not disbelieve any longer, but believe."" (John 20:25-27)
The lot was cast for his clothes:
"Divide my clothes among themselves and cast lots for my cloak." (Psalm 22:19)
"After they crucified Jesus, the soldiers divided his clothes into four parts, one part for each soldier. But his undergarment was woven in one piece from top to bottom. They said to each other, 'Let's not tear it, but let's draw lots to see who gets it.' Thus was fulfilled what the scriptures say: "They divided my garments among themselves, and cast lots for my robe." That's what the soldiers did." (John
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@watch13famouspeoplewhoacce45
Haha funny the way you try to reinforce your statement with the red crosses. That doesn't impress me at all.
We will not stone you for a good deed," they answered, "but for blasphemy: you are a man, but you claim to be God!" (John 10:33)
Isaiah 9:6 - The prophesy concerning the coming Christ states this: "to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
The Messiah- Jesus- is refered to as the "Everlasting Father" and "Mighty God"
John 10:30 - Jesus says "I and the Father are one.”
John 14:9 Jesus says "if you have seen me, you have seen the Father.
Matthew 1:23 " “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us."
Matthew 28:17
"When they saw Him, they worshiped Him. But some still doubted."
Jesus accepted their worship. If He was not God, He would have rebuked them for He said "worship the Lord your God and serve only Him [Matthew 4:10.] The very fact that Jesus accepted worship proves He is indeed God.
John 1:1-3 "In the beginning was the Word [Jesus], and the Word [Jesus] was with God, and the Word [Jesus] was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made"
* [Jesus] added by me
John 8:58 Jesus said "before Abraham was, I AM." Notice the crowd's reaction in verse 59 - they knew Jesus was claiming to be God and they wanted to kill Him on the spot for blasphemy. If you look back in Exodus 3:14, when Moses asked who he should say sent him, God said "I AM sent you" and Jesus claimed to be I AM - The same One (God) who appeared to Moses.
John 18:5-6 In verse 5 Jesus clarifies that they are indeed looking for Him. When they ask ask if He is Jesus, he states "I AM" Notice their reaction to this in verse 6 - they fell over because thry knew He was claiming to be I AM- God Himself.
John 20:28 When Jesus appeared to Thomas after the resurrection and Thomas saw it was really Jesus, he proclaimed "my Lord and my God." Jesus did not correct him, He accepted his statement as truth- that He is indeed God.
Colossians 1:15-17 "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together."
Here, Paul is clearly showing the supremacy of Jesus. He is saying much like John did in John 1, that all things were made through Him and by Him. God is the creator of all things- so Jesus must be God if He created all things.
You will also note throughout the Gospels that Jesus never refused to be worshiped or praised. Only God is worthy of worship. Jesus would not have accepted worship unless He was in fact who He said he was.
There is no ambiguity in the Bible about Jesus being God and claiming to be God.
Why do you think Jesus didn't say directly: I am God. Would you immediately believe someone if he stood before you tomorrow and said: I am God. Jesus may not say it directly, but by his actions and many miracles He showed that He was God.
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@watch13famouspeoplewhoacce45 What is remarkable is that hundreds of years before He was born, predictions were made about His coming. The first part of the Bible, the Old Testament, was written by various people over a period of more than 1500 years. It contains over 300 prophecies about Jesus. All the details have come out: about His birth, His life without sin, His many miracles, His death and resurrection. Read this from the Bible book of Isaiah. Isaiah, lived about 700 years before Jesus was born: “Very well then, the Lord Himself will establish a sign: A virgin shall bear a child, and she shall name the child Immanuel (meaning, 'God is with us').” - From the Bible book of Isaiah 7:14 In Matthew 1 you can read that this prediction has come true.
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@marjan.f7441 Allah is Satan himself.
The most striking aspect of Sura 2 is the violence against non-Muslims. There are 286 verses in this chapter and 15% or 44 verses preach violence, hatred and war against the non-Muslims. This is quite disturbing to those who fervently believe that Islam is hope and love.
In terms of content, this surah is completely in line with the Quran as a whole, which preaches at least 10% about hellfire and another 10% about violence and war against the non-Muslim. And another 30% are anti-Semitic.
The destruction of the infidel, either in this life or in the next, is the most important thing to Muhammad and his cult.
Surah 2, the longest chapter, encourages terror and even racist hatred against non-Muslims. Cults must, of course, demonize the 'other'. To divide the world into 2 camps the Quran uses the terms; mushrikun, zalimun, fasiqun, mufsidun and musrifun; either criminal, unclean, hypocrites, evil, unjust, satanic and other names. The good people of this world are the followers of Muhammad. The bad people are the criminals, polytheists, the Jews, the Christians, the infidels and hypocrites. They have been categorized under various repulsive labels such as “stupid,” “blind,” and “greedy” that must be combated.
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@aaronharun1394H Muhammad, performed no miracles to confirm his message (not even when his followers asked him to - Sura 17:91-95; 29:47-51). It is only in a much later tradition (the Hadith) that some supposed miracles appear, and they are all rather fantastic (e.g. Mohammed is said to have cut the moon in half). There is no reliable testimony to confirm them.
Apart from the proof for the correctness of the Bible (manuscript proof) and the fact that the Bible is a historical document (archaeological proof), the most important proof is the inspiration of the Bible. The real determining factor that the Bible contains the absolute, inspired truth is found in the supernatural evidence the Bible provides, such as prophecies. God used prophets to proclaim and write His Word, and God used miracles such as fulfilled prophecies to confirm His messengers.
There are so many prophecies about Christ (over 270!) that it would take us quite a few pages to list them all. In many of those prophecies, Jesus Himself could not have manipulated anything, such as His birthplace or the moment of His birth. Furthermore, the odds of one person accidentally fulfilling even 16 of these prophecies is 1 in 10^45. That's an incredibly small chance! By comparison, there are less than 10^82 atoms in the entire universe! And Jesus, who established the Bible as the Word of God, proved His trustworthiness and Divinity through His resurrection (a historical fact that cannot be easily ignored). 😊
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@marjan.f7441 The Muslims repeatedly claim that the Bible has been corrupted and that the Qur’an is the only trustworthy scripture in existence. This is why Muslims often attack the Bible. But this cannot be according to the Quran. The Quran says that the books of Moses, the Psalms, and the gospel were all given by God.
Torah – “We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers,” (Sura 2:87).
Psalms – “We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma’il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms,” (4:163).
Gospel – “It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong),” (3:3).
Also, “And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah,” (5:46).
We see that the Qur’an states that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel were all given by God. With this, we Christians heartily agree. But, the Muslims claim that the Bible is corrupted and full of contradictions. If that is so, then it would seem they do not believe the Qur’an since the Qur’an says that the Word of God cannot be altered.
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@marjan.f7441 The Quran is not written in an Arabic dialect from the Mecca area. The Arabic of the Qur'an is not written in a specific dialect of Arabia (Ibn Warraq, the origins of the Qur'an, 1998), nor is it written in the dialect of the Quraish from Mecca as Islamic tradition states.
The dialect in which the Qur'an is written comes from the south of the Levant, or the area where Jordan is today (Mark Durie, On the Origin of Qur'anic Arabic, 2018). This is apparent from the use of the 'ta marbuta' (ة), the alif 'maksura' (ى) and the article 'al' (ال).
These three elements are found only in the southern Levant, where the Nabataeans previously spoke some form of Aramaic, and not in Arabia. These elements later came from Aramaic into the Arabic of that region. So it turns out that the Arabic in which the Quran is written is the Arabic of the southern Levant. This contradicts the Islamic tradition that the Quran originated in the region around Mecca.
There is no evidence that the Quran of 'Uthmaan has been preserved unchanged until now.
There are 6 manuscripts that are considered to be the oldest surviving, namely those from Cairo, Samarkand, Paris, Istanbul, London and Sana'a. Ishanoglu and Altikulac researched this for 5 years and published their results in 2009.
They found that of these 6 manuscripts, none are from the time of 'Uthmaan. The oldest manuscript is that of Paris and is from the early 8th century. Moreover, all these manuscripts are incomplete and differ in thousands of points from the Qur'an today. Corrections have also often been made, and some manuscripts had an underlayer with an older text. Incidentally, not even a single complete Quran has been found up to and including the 10th century.
There is therefore no comparison material whatsoever, and Muslims can at best claim that there is no longer a Qur'an from 'Uthman's time. But with that there is no proof whatsoever that the current Qur'an is the same as that of 'Uthmaan.
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@alonzoharris6730 Μπορείτε να μου το μεταφράσετε αυτό;
Πιστεύομεν εἰς ἕνα Θεόν, Πατέρα, Παντοκράτορα, ποιητὴν οὐρανοῦ καὶ γῆς, ὁρατῶν τε πάντων καὶ ἀοράτων.
Καὶ εἰς ἕνα Κύριον Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν, τὸν Υἱὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ τὸν μονογενῆ, τὸν ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς γεννηθέντα πρὸ πάντων τῶν αἰώνων.
Φῶς ἐκ φωτός, Θεὸν ἀληθινὸν ἐκ Θεοῦ ἀληθινοῦ, γεννηθέντα οὐ ποιηθέντα, ὁμοούσιον τῷ Πατρί, δι' οὗ τὰ πάντα ἐγένετο.
Τὸν δι' ἡμᾶς τοὺς ἀνθρώπους καὶ διὰ τὴν ἡμετέραν σωτηρίαν κατελθόντα ἐκ τῶν οὐρανῶν καὶ σαρκωθέντα ἐκ Πνεύματος Ἁγίου καὶ Μαρίας τῆς Παρθένου καὶ ἐνανθρωπήσαντα.
Σταυρωθέντα τε ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου, καὶ παθόντα καὶ ταφέντα.
Καὶ ἀναστάντα τῇ τρίτῃ ἡμέρα κατὰ τὰς Γραφάς.
Καὶ ἀνελθόντα εἰς τοὺς οὐρανοὺς καὶ καθεζόμενον ἐκ δεξιῶν τοῦ Πατρός.
Καὶ πάλιν ἐρχόμενον μετὰ δόξης κρῖναι ζῶντας καὶ νεκρούς, οὗ τῆς βασιλείας οὐκ ἔσται τέλος.
Καὶ εἰς τὸ Πνεῦμα τὸ Ἅγιον, τὸ κύριον, τὸ ζωοποιόν, τὸ ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς ἐκπορευόμενον, τὸ σὺν Πατρὶ καὶ Υἱῷ συμπροσκυνούμενον καὶ συνδοξαζόμενον, τὸ λαλῆσαν διὰ τῶν προφητῶν.
Εἰς μίαν, Ἁγίαν, Καθολικὴν καὶ Ἀποστολικὴν Ἐκκλησίαν.
Ὁμολογοῦμεν ἓν βάπτισμα εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν.
Προσδοκοῦμεν ἀνάστασιν νεκρῶν.
Καὶ ζωὴν τοῦ μέλλοντος αἰῶνος.
Ἀμήν.
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Muhammad, performed no miracles to confirm his message (not even when his followers asked him to - Sura 17:91-95; 29:47-51). It is only in a much later tradition (the Hadith) that some supposed miracles appear, and they are all rather fantastic.
Water cannot be polluted by anything. According to the hadith, a number of people inform Mohammed about a water source containing dead dogs, menstrual cloths and excrement. However, the prophet replies that “water is pure, and cannot be defiled by anything” (Sunan Abi Dawud 1:67).
Fever is caused by the heat of hell. According to Muhammad, the heat of hell is the cause of fever, and therefore must be treated with water (Saheeh al-Bukhari 7:71:621).
Seasons are determined by hell. According to Mohammed, the seasons and associated differences in temperature are caused by hell. Hell has a hot and a cold part. One day, Hell notices that both parts are consuming each other, and asks for help from Allah (Saheeh al-Bukhari 4:54:482).
The earth is carried by a giant whale. In Sura 68:1 it says: “Nun. By the pen and what they write”. The word "noon" refers to a gigantic whale that carries the earth as we read in the accompanying explanation of Ibn Kathir. According to him, Allah created the nun (the whale) and laid the earth (a flat disc) on its back. Then Allah placed mountains on the earth that fasten the earth like pegs on the back of the whale.
The moon is split in two and made one again. This particular phenomenon is mentioned in Sura 54:1-2 in the words, "The hour is approaching and the moon is split." According to the hadeeth (Saheeh al-Bukhari 4:56:832), this happened during Muhammad's lifetime. However, there is no scientific evidence that the moon ever split in two and then rejoined.
In addition, there are no testimonials from other countries describing this phenomenon. Surely it is plausible that Persians, Chinese, or other peoples would have seen and written this if it were really true.
Embryos develop in phases of 40 days. According to the Quran (Sura 22:5), embryos go through the following stages: semen/sperm, then clotted blood, and finally a lump of flesh. Each of these phases lasts 40 days according to Muhammad (Saheeh al-Bukhari 4:54:430). After these 120 days are over, a fetus is formed. An important detail is that during the last phase an angel comes and determines the gender on behalf of Allah (Saheeh al-Bukhari 8:77:594).
In reality, the development of an embryo is very different. An embryo is already a fetus after 9 weeks, so after 63 days instead of 120. After 56 days all organs are already developed and there is already a recognizable human being. According to the Qur'an, the embryo is still in the second phase like congealed blood.
In addition, the sex of the baby is determined immediately at conception, and not after 80 days as Islam claims. So it is clear that modern science is anything but supportive of Islam.
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@youwhat491 Muslims sometimes pretend to be more tolerant than Christians: they believe and honor Jesus, but they do not give Jesus the honor He deserves.
If the New Testament gives a reliable picture of what Jesus said and did – and there is no more reliable source – then Islam does not honor Jesus and Muslims do not believe in Jesus.
Jesus calls Himself the Son of His heavenly Father, who is one with the Father and who is involved in all that the Father does, who forgives sins and judges at the last day. The Qur'an, however, expresses its abhorrence that the Most Merciful should have a son and emphasizes that Iesa is no different from the messengers before him, a human being who must submit to God like anyone else. The Quran emphasizes that there will be no mediator on the day of judgment and denies the crucifixion of Jesus. Instead of the sacrifice and the cross, Mohammed points the way of jihad—the effort—to please God.
The Quran has incorrect information on several points. Tragically, Muhammad seems to have thought that Christians taught a family of gods with Mary as the mother god. He was also apparently influenced by Gnostic groups about the apparent death of Jesus on the cross.
We also read miracle stories in the Koran that come from unreliable apocryphal gospels, such as that Jesus spoke as a baby in the cradle and made a bird of clay come to life.
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The Quran does not provide historical information about Jesus and prophets that supplements or clarifies anything relative to the Bible. On the contrary: the story is obscured. To get to know the prophets from the Quran and their message, you need the Bible. At the time of the creation of the Qur'an, the Muslim community did not yet have access to an Arabic translation of the Bible.
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@kenny.1996 The concept of hypostasis (Greek: hypostasis) has played an important role in theology, both in the doctrine of the Trinity and in Christology. In the fourth century, Greek fathers developed the doctrine of the Trinity using this term. The unity of Father, Son and Spirit was expressed through the concept of ousia, essence or essence: they are one of essence, homoousios (Latin: consubstantialis). The term "hypostasis" was used for the trinity: one being (ousia), three hypostases or "persons" (prosôpon, Latin: persona; the word "person" here does not have exactly the same meaning as in modern times). Subsequently, in the fifth century, the relationship between deity and humanity in Christ has been termed "hypostasis." According to the council of Chalcedon (451), Christ is one hypostasis or "person" (prosôpon, persona) in two natures, the divine nature and the human nature. Christ is one hypostasis in which his divine nature and his human nature are united.
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@kierancho Glad you're having fun with yourself.
So you claim the Bible is not reliable?
Muslims repeatedly claim that the Bible has been corrupted and that the Qur’an is the only trustworthy scripture in existence. This is why Muslims often attack the Bible. But this cannot be according to the Quran. The Quran says that the books of Moses, the Psalms, and the gospel were all given by God.
Torah – “We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers,” (Sura 2:87).
Psalms – “We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma’il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms,” (4:163).
Gospel – “It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong),” (3:3).
Also, “And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah,” (5:46).
We see that the Qur’an states that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel were all given by God. With this, we Christians heartily agree. But, the Muslims claim that the Bible is corrupted and full of contradictions. If that is so, then it would seem they do not believe the Qur’an since the Qur’an says that the Word of God cannot be altered:
“Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers,” (6:34).
“The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all,” (6:115).
“For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity,” (10:64).
When Muhammad (570-632) was alive, he claimed to receive the revelation of the Qu’ran from Allah. This means that at that time the Bible, which was in existence, could not have been corrupted because the Qu’ran states that God’s word cannot be corrupted. The question I have for you is “When and where was the Bible corrupted since the Qu’ran says that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel are from Allah and Allah’s words cannot be changed?” 🤔
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@youwhat491 You Muslims worship the devil.
In his "Biography of Muhammad" (on pages 165 to 167 referred to in the table of contents as "His temporary concession to polytheism") Ibn Ishaq writes: "the Apostle was concerned for the welfare of his people" - the pagan Quraysh - and “looked for a way to attract them”. In the end, it was the leaders of the Quraysh themselves who came to him with a proposal. They offered him wives and money, even wanted to crown him king—if he would accept their terms in return. “This is what we offer you, Mohammed, stop taunting our gods and do not speak ill of them. If you agree, we will provide you with an opportunity that will benefit you and us.”
What is it?" asked Mohammed.
“You will worship our gods, al-Lat and al-'Uzza for a year, and we will worship your God for a year.”
After initially rejecting this offer, Muhammad received a revelation saying that it was permissible for Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat, the three favorite goddesses of the pagan Quraysh as intercessors with Allah. The Quraysh rejoiced and pinches with Muhammad and the Muslims before Allah after Muhammad recited the new revelation.
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@generaljg4373 There are currently 30+ different versions/readings/Qira'ats/ Qurans that exist in the world today.
A Qira'at, in regards to the Quran, is an iteration of the text done by a group of scholars; there were 30 popular ones in Islam.
10 were ‘official readers’ and another 20 were students who worked underneath the readers, known as ‘transmitters’.
They were responsible for looking closely into the 'rasm' (The skeletal structure of the text) and then determined where to put dots and vowels into different places.
Here is a list of the 10 readers
Nafi al-Madani (d. 785 AD)
Ibn Kathir al Makki (d. 738 AD)
Abu'Amr Ibn al-'Ala (d. 770 AD)
Ibn Amir ad-Dimashqi (d. 736 AD)
Aasim Ibn Abi al-Najud (d. 745 AD)
Hamzah az-Zalyyat (d. 773 AD)
Al-Kisa'i (d. 804 AD)
Abu Ja'far (Medina - d. 748 AD)
Ya'qub al-Yamani (Basra - d. 821 AD)
Khalaf (Kufa - 844 AD)
The following is a list of the transmitters
Qalun (835 AD)
Al-Bazzi (d. 864 AD)
Al-Duri (d. 860)
Hisham (d.859 AD)
Shu'bah (d. 809 AD)
Khalaf (d. 844 AD)
Al-Layth (d. 854 AD)
Isa ibn Wardan (d. 777 AD)
Ruways (d. 853 AD)
Ishaq (d. 899 AD)
Warsh (812 AD)
Qunbul (d. 904 AD)
Al-Susi (d. 874 AD)
Ibn Dhakwan (d. 856 AD)
Hafs (d. 796 AD)
Khallad (d. 835 AD)
Al-Duri (d. 860 AD)
Ibn Jummaz (d. 787 AD)
Rawh (d. 849 AD)
Idris (d. 905 AD)
You are able to order any of these online.
Among all these different Qira'ats, there is an overwhelming 93,000 differences.
The one chosen to be the standard Qira'at was Hafs, in 1924. Hafs was a student/transmitter who died in 796 AD. He lived in Kufa.
Futhermore, Hafs was not even one of the 'Readers', nor did he live alongside the prophet Muhammad, nor during the time of King Uthman.
Muhammand Al-Hussaini al-Hadad an Egyptian teacher at the University in Cairo, was asked by the Bureau of Education there, to choose ‘one’ of the Qira'ats as the authoritative one.
He chose Hafs.
His credentials are not known, and no one seems to know why he chose Hafs. This took place in 1924.
The “1400 year old Uthman argument” has only been around for 100 years. It is a recent argument which is currently falling to pieces, since it is utterly failing the test of ‘Historical Criticism’.
The list above, alone, proves this matter, and unfortunately the number of different Qira'ats/Qurans continues to rise as they are being discovered and reported.
In 2016, 26 different Qurans were discovered by Professor Hatun Tash, whom later presented them at the 'Speakers Corner' in London England with the help of Dr. Jay Smith.
They faced heavy opposition despite the clear evidence they had in their hands.
These 2 professionals have devoted many years studying the history of Islam and the authenticity of the Quran. Dr. Jay Smith began his scholarly research in this area during his time in India, and officially began taking on this issue in a public setting since 1995, starting with a debate in Cambridge.
Their findings are a phenomenal breakthrough.
No Muslim has confronted the ‘textual historical analysis’ of the Quran. The 6 manuscripts, each located in their respected places, Turkey, Uzbekistan, Paris, London, Egypt, and Yemen, were never challenged in the field of Academia until 2002–2007, by two Muslim scholars.
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cdkablan5677
Paul wrote, “And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie” (2 Thes. 2:11). But Revelation 21:8 says, “the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” But it seems inconsistent for God to condemn liars and yet send such a strong delusion that people should believe a lie.
God does not send a lie but simply confirms those who do not wish to believe the truth. God is not responsible (i.e., culpable) for those who go to hell. For it is because of their rejection of the Gospel that they eventually end up there, not because of God’s negligence. The context of this passage reveals that man has already rejected the Gospel of Christ. Paul says that when the Antichrist comes, he will come with signs and false wonders with all deception of wickedness (2 Thes. 2:8–10). These things happen for “those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved” (v. 10). When God sends the deluding influence, Paul says He does so in order “that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness” (v. 12). They have chosen to reject God rather than to accept His provision of salvation. God is not sending the lie to trick people, but He sends delusions to reveal human depravity in which they choose evil over good.
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@syedhasan5861
Explanation and Commentary of Isaiah 64:6
Isaiah received his commission from God in a powerful and dramatic way (Isa 6:1-8). Having seen God on his throne, Isaiah was undone by the disparity between the perfection and holiness of God, and his own sinfulness, and that of his people. Isaiah believed in that moment that God would take his life because of his impurity in the face of a holy, awesome, and righteous God. But God did not take his life. He also did not correct Isaiah’s assumptions about his uncleanness. He simply purified Isaiah by his own righteousness by a ceremonial act, fitting Isaiah to be there and to be sent by God to speak for him to his people.
Having experienced this, Isaiah was well aware that the human condition is to be unclean. In this state, even “our righteous acts are like filthy rags,” because they are tainted by our sinful motives. The result is to die. The wages of sin is death (Ro 6:23). The promise to Adam was death for disobedience (Gen 2:17) and the poetic language here of a shriveled-up leaf swept away by our sins as the wind is an apt and terrifying picture of that.
But God, because he is rich in mercy (Eph 2:4) has sent his Son to do for us what we could not do. All of his “righteous acts” were completely pure and holy. Then he accepted the wrath of God for our own sins into his body and died on the cross so that our whole being would be washed clean, redeemed, forgiven. We are new creations in him (2 Cor 5:17) and instead of our sins shriveling us up, his Spirit brings us into more and more abundant life. Only God could accomplish this for us.
Breaking Down the Key Parts of Isaiah 64:6
#1 “All of us…”
There is no one who is not born in Adam, and who is not dying. This is the curse of sin.
#2 “…have become like one who is unclean,”
The image here is of a leper, unclean, excluded from ritual worship, a pariah in society. Our sin has this effect spiritually if not physically.
#3 “and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;”
When we are in sin, we are able to do good things, but our motives make even good things into unrighteous acts. Doing good deeds will not save, only faith in Christ will save.
#4 “we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.”
We are dying from the day we are born because of sin. Jesus came that we would have everlasting life. Those of us living in this age will experience the death of our bodies if Jesus does not return first, but we will be resurrected for eternity by the Spirit of God at the return of Christ.
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@MATTHEWProvesJesusDidNotDieFor
Matthew 27:46 does not prove what you claim.
During the three hours which the darkness continued, Jesus was in agony, wrestling with the powers of darkness, and suffering his Father's displeasure against the sin of man, for which he was now making his soul an offering. Never were there three such hours since the day God created man upon the earth, never such a dark and awful scene; it was the turning point of that great affair, man's redemption and salvation. Jesus uttered a complaint from Psalm 22:1. Hereby he teaches of what use the word of God is to direct us in prayer, and recommends the use of Scripture expressions in prayer. The believer may have tasted some drops of bitterness, but he can only form a very feeble idea of the greatness of Christ's sufferings. Yet, hence he learns something of the Saviour's love to sinners; hence he gets deeper conviction of the vileness and evil of sin, and of what he owes to Christ, who delivers him from the wrath to come. His enemies wickedly ridiculed his complaint. Many of the reproaches cast upon the word of God and the people of God, arise, as here, from gross mistakes. Christ, just before he expired, spake in his full strength, to show that his life was not forced from him, but was freely delivered into his Father's hands. He had strength to bid defiance to the powers of death: and to show that by the eternal Spirit he offered himself, being the Priest as well as the Sacrifice, he cried with a loud voice. Then he yielded up the ghost. The Son of God upon the cross, did die by the violence of the pain he was put to. His soul was separated from his body, and so his body was left really and truly dead. It was certain that Christ did die, for it was needful that he should die. He had undertaken to make himself an offering for sin, and he did it when he willingly gave up his life.
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@Alam22414 Muslims often talk about the many contradictions in the Bible. The number of contradictions varies depending on who you are talking to. Kairanvi's Ishar-ul-Haq presents 119 counted contradictions, while others like Shabbir Ally seem to have found 101 contradictions. The problem as they see it concerns a hypothesis that any religious book that claims to have absolute divine authority should not contain any contradictions, because a message coming from an Omniscient being must be internally consistent.
In 2 Timothy 3:16 we are told that all Scripture is inspired. The word used for inspiration is theopneustos, which means "God-breathed". This means that everything that was written had its origin in God himself. In 2 Peter 1:21 we read that the writers were "carried" by God. So, God used every writer, including his personality, to create a divinely authoritative work, for God cannot inspire mistakes.
The Quran, itself, the supreme authority for all Muslims, gives authority to the Bible, assuming its authenticity to at least the seventh to ninth centuries. Check out the following surahs:
Surah al-Baqarah 2:1136 points out that there is no difference between the scriptures that preceded the Qur'an, it reads: “...in that which was revealed to us...and Jesus...We make no distinction between them. ” Surah Al-I-Imran 3:2-3 continues: “Allah!... He previously sent the Torah and the Gospel to guide the people” Surah Nisa 4:136 continues by urging the Muslims to “believe ... in the Book which He before revealed.” In Sura al-Maida 5:46-52 we find a direct appeal to Christians to believe in their scriptures: “...And We made Jesus son of Mary follow in their footsteps, fulfilling that which was before him in the Torah (revealed), and We gave him the Gospel. And let the people of the Gospel judge according to that which Allah has revealed in it, and those who do not judge according to what Allah has revealed are the transgressors.” Again, in Sura al-Maidah 5:68, we find a similar appeal: “O People of the Book, you rest on nothing until you keep the Torah and the Gospel and that which has been sent down to you from YOUR LORD.”
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@Alam22414 Don't try to be a smartass. If Christians say anything negative about the Qur'an, it is considered an attack. When Muslims say something negative about the Bible, it is seen as a defense. You are so hypocritical.
According to the Bible books of Matthew and Luke, Jesus was born in Bethlehem. However, in the other two Gospels, Mark and John, it is stated that Jesus was born in Nazareth.
It is true that Mark and John's descriptions of the life of Jesus do not begin until later in his life. But the name they give him indicates that their main character was born in Nazareth. They call him Jesus of Nazareth and of Nazareth." In other texts of the same time, such indications always indicate where a person was born.
Descendant of David
Why do Luke and Matthew place Jesus' birth in Bethlehem? They want to make a connection with the Jewish King David, who was born there. Matthew explains that Jesus is a descendant of David, which increases his status.
In order for the childbirth to take place in Bethlehem, Joseph and Mary had to be given a reason to go there. That became the story of the census: because the Romans wanted to know how many people lived in their province, the couple had to report in the place of origin. For Joseph, descendant of David, that was Bethlehem.
Maria was able to give birth at home
In reality, the Romans did not count their subjects in their place of origin but in their hometown. So Mary could have given birth at home in Nazareth, rather than in a cave in Bethlehem.
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@szuvibes9474
Nice try. I asked you if you meant Romans 3:7 and your answer was yes. I have given a clear answer, but apparently you have difficulty reading what is understandable in context.
Muslims teachers are dishonest to cherry pick verses like Romans 3:7 and then feed it to their unsuspecting followers who just swallow what they are taught and go on to repeat, propagate and viral the deception and treachery of those Muslim teachers.
The Bible and the Quran are different. You cannot read one the same way you read the other.
The Bible must be read in context. To take one verse and to inject your own bias, presupposition or agenda to it, is misinterpretation. This is how cults were formed. Every verse, every chapter, every book in the Bible is connected.
“Scripture interprets scripture.” This is a principle of interpretation which simply means the scriptures is in harmony and one part of Scripture can be used to interpret other parts of Scripture.
However, this is not the case for the Quran. There is very little context in the Quran, if any. The Quran seems more like a random haphazard collection of verses. One verse often does not necessarily relate in any way to the next verse. For someone reading the Quran for the first time, it might be jarring experience to see the utter incoherence that is clearly evident, verse after verse, chapter after chapter.
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@JesusisaMuslim
The Quran itself testifies that there is no other judge besides Allah,
Shall I seek other than Allah for judge, when He it is Who hath revealed unto you (this) Scripture, fully explained? Those unto whom We gave the Scripture (aforetime) know that it is revealed from thy Lord in truth. So be not thou (O Muhammad) of the waverers. S. 6:114 Pickthall
And also proclaims that judgment belongs entirely and solely to him:
That is because when Allah alone was called upon, you disbelieved, and when associates were given to Him, you believed; so judgment belongs to Allah, the High, the Great. S. 40:12 Shakir
This is why the Quran says that Allah will come to judge creation:
Nay! When the earth is ground to powder, And your Lord comes with the angels in rows, And Hell will be brought near that Day. On that Day will man remember, but how will that remembrance (then) avail him? S. 89:21-23 Hilali-Khan
In light of such assertions, the last thing we would expect is for Christ and his followers to ascribe such titles and functions to the Lord Jesus. After all, if the Quran was correct that Jesus and his disciples were Muslims then they would never have ascribed such divine characteristics to Christ, since to do so would go against Islamic monotheism. Yet if they did attribute these unique roles to the risen Lord then this proves that both Christ and his Apostles went around proclaiming that Jesus is God in the flesh (even though he is not the Father or the Holy Spirit), thereby proving that Islam is false.
The Holy Bible teaches that Christ is the Just One, in fact the Holy One:
“But you denied the Holy One and the Just (ton hagion kai dikaion), and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, and killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses.” Acts 3:14-15
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@T-19- And I'm telling you you're reading the Bible wrong.
Portraying Jesus as a murderer. Perhaps you have not read your Quran properly?
Sura 26:
Thou shalt fight the Jews until even the stone behind which a Jew hides himself cries out to you: 'Servant of God, behold a Jew behind me: kill him!'"
Sura 2:193, 8:39;
“Fight them until idolatry ceases to exist and religion belongs wholly to Allah.”
Sura 3:200
“O believers, persevere patiently and patiently resist and equip yourselves for battle and fear Allah.”
Surah 4:76
“Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, but the disbelievers fight in the way of the idol. So fight the henchmen of Satan.”
Sura 4:84
“Fight then in the way of Allah, without bearing a burden except for yourself, and exhort the believers.”
Sura 4:89 (Specifically against those who apostate Islam is the verse):
“If they turn from you, seize them and put them to death wherever you find them; and take neither friend nor helper from among them.”
Sura 5:33
“But the punishment for those who fight Allah and His Messenger and bring ruin (= disbelief) in the land is that they be killed or crucified, that both their hands or feet are cut off, or that they are exiled.”
Surah 8:12
“I will sow terror in the hearts of the disbelievers. Cut off their heads, mutilate them in all limbs.”
Surah 8:60
“And prepare against them with what you have of fortitude and horse power, to terrify Allah's enemy with it.”
Surah 8:65
“O thou prophet, exhort the believers to battle.”
Sura 9:5
“Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, take them captive and besiege them and prepare them for all kinds of ambush.”
Surah 9:14
“Fight them. Allah will punish them by your hands and humiliate them.”
Surah 9:29
“Fight those who disbelieve in Allah, nor in the Last Day, and who do not make forbidden what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden (= the Gentiles), and those who do not adhere to the true religion among those to whom the Scriptures is given (= Jews and Christians), until they pay the tribute out of hand in submission.”
Surah 9:41
“Come out lightly and heavily laden and fight, with your possessions and your person, in the way of Allah.”
Surah 9:73 and 66:9
“War war against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal with them harshly.”
(The "hypocrites" were those who gave Muhammad his will and declared him a prophet, but were refusing to effectively support his jihad.)
Of course Mary breastfeeds Jesus, he was a baby.
On the other hand, breast-feeding adults is normal according to the Quran.
Sunan Ibn Majah 1944:
It was narrated that 'Aishah said: “The verse of stoning and breast-feeding an adult ten times was revealed1 and the paper lay with me under my pillow.
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@marjan.f7441 I'm going to answer you on 1 question. I'm tired of wasting so much effort on people taking all verses out of context and then mocking Christianity.
Jesus went to the Mount of Olives, and early in the morning he was again in the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. Then the scribes and the Pharisees brought to him a woman who had been caught in adultery. They set her in the middle and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of committing adultery. Moses in the law commands us to stone such women. What do you think of that?” This they said to test him, to see if they could charge him. Jesus bent down and wrote on the ground with his finger. When they persisted, he straightened up and said, "Whosoever of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." He stooped again and wrote on the ground. When they heard this, they went away one by one, the elders first, and left him alone, with the woman standing in the middle. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Where are they? Has no one condemned you?” “No one, sir,” she said. “Neither do I condemn you,” said Jesus. “Go home, and sin no more from now on.”
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@youwhat491 It's easy to pick a piece of verses from the Bible and then twist it.
The contempt the townsfolk had for Jesus was partly due to their refusal to accept the virgin-birth. Instead of referring to Jesus as 'the son of Joseph', as was the custom, they disdainfully labelled Him as the illegitimate 'son of Mary'. It was because of their proud unbelief and lack of faith that Mark writes, "And He could do no miracle in Nazareth, except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them.
It was not that Jesus was rendered impotent or powerless because the people had no faith. It was not that His divine authority was neutralised, in the absence of faith. Christ was no 'faith-healer'. He was the almighty God, exercising His divine authority, appropriately, over sickness and sin. But Jesus knew that performing miracles among this rebellious, unbelieving crowd, would not cause them to believe on Him, but rather intensify their guilt and harden their heart even more.
And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek a sign? verily I say unto you. There shall no sign be given unto this generation.
There shall no sign be given ... This means "no sign like they wanted" would be given and does not conflict in any way with the exceptions cited in Matthew and Luke, nor should it be supposed that the other two evangelists were reporting exactly the same incident as here. Such a demand by the Pharisees was probably made over and over. Matthew made an exception in that "the sign of the prophet Jonah" would indeed be given that generation, as did also Luke (Matthew 12:38f; Luke 11:29f). Mark's inclusion of this demand in a different context, strongly suggests that this Pharisaical demand was repeated. It would not have been right for Jesus to have yielded to such a demand, and therefore he refused. It would also have been utterly futile to have yielded. As Luke recorded, Jesus said, "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, if one rise from the dead" (Luke 16:31).
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@marjan.f7441 You lie again. The Trinity had been an official doctrine of the Church since the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople. That this dogma had no Biblical basis was unthinkable even for many humanists. Erasmus was accused of being an anti-Trinitarian, i.e. one who did not believe in the Trinity. Others called him an Arianist, referring to the priest Arius (256-336) who argued that Jesus was not one with the Father.
Spontaneous find
Erasmus is said to have said to his critics: If anyone can show me one Greek manuscript of 1 John 5, 7-8 that contains the phrase "Father, Word and Holy Spirit," I will include the formula in the second edition. Not long after, he came across a Greek text, found in England, that actually contained the words. And so Erasmus had little choice but to reproduce the offending passage.
Rabbi Tovia is a liar, impostor and Jew. Jews hate Jesus, they crucified him.
Again you are taking a verse out of context. 🤭
John 17:3 needs to be read in context to fully appreciate what Jesus was saying in that prayer. The contrast is not between the Father and the Son but between the Father and the world’s false gods and idols. Jesus is conversing with the Father who is in heaven while Jesus is on earth. Jesus’ statement that the Father is the only true God should not be seen as contradictory or inconsistent with the whole of the Bible, which supports the fact Jesus Christ is God.
Jesus even spoke to his disciples about the trinity. 👇
Matthew 28:18-19
18 Jesus came to them and said, All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations (by baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost. 😊
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A woman’s honour and chastity are not determined by a piece of cloth covering her hair by wearing a veil/hijab.
It is a deviant group that considers morality to be a piece of cloth that covers a woman’s hair.
In the global human concept, morality is a set of values including honesty, integrity, loyalty, respect for others, thinking, creativity, love for others, work, knowledge, and not harming others.
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@aaronharun1394H The name Allah used in the Quran comes from the Arab world long before Islam. In the polytheistic religion of Mecca, 360 gods were worshiped at the time. After his experiences in the cave of Mecca, Mohammed proclaimed the god Allah of his own tribe (the Quraysh) as supreme god: the moon god, the god of war and the sword.
In the Quran and the Hadith there are many references to physical attributes of Allah. For example, Allah has a face (Sura 2:115). In addition, there are several references to Allah's hands, eyes, fingers, a foot and a shin. It is striking that Allah has 2 right hands (Saheeh Muslim 1827). 😏
Allah is recognizable by his shin. On the Day of Judgment, Allah will show his shin/lower leg (ساق) for people to worship him (Sura 68:42). This event is also mentioned in the hadeeth (Saheeh al-Bukhari 9:93:532), and mentions that the shin is the sign by which people recognize it. 🙄
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@nazamhussain289 Sorry but the Bible is not the word of Allah.
We call the Bible the Word of God. This name means that the more than 40 people who wrote the Bible received inspiration from God. As a result, the texts from the Bible come from God Himself (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
Prophecies in the Bible
The main evidence for the claim that the Bible is the Word of God has to do with prophecy. The Bible referred to events in the future that seemed improbable or even impossible. However, all of these predictions have come true, and some are yet to happen in the future.
There are 352 prophecies in the Old Testament that were fulfilled in the birth, life and death of Jesus. The probability that 8 of these prophecies alone would be fulfilled in one man's life is 1 to 10 to the power of 17 (1:10 followed by 17 zeros)!
The probability that 48 of these prophecies would come true in one person's lifetime is even lower: 1 is to 10 to the power of 157 (1:10 with 157 zeros after it). It would therefore be impossible for one person to fulfill all 352 prophecies unless those prophecies were made by someone who is in control of everything.
The Second Coming of Jesus
But there are also prophecies in the Bible that have yet to be fulfilled. Of all these prophecies, Christians most look forward to the second coming or return of Jesus. In Matthew 24 and Luke 21, Jesus tells of special signs that will show us that His return is near—wars, rumors of war, famines, infectious disease, earthquakes, persecution of Christians, terrifying events, and signs in heaven. The book of Revelation is also a book about the events that take place before and after Jesus returns, and about the destruction and end of this world.
No other religion can claim to have a book even remotely similar to the Bible. After all, God inspired the writing of the Bible. It is not just a list of do's and don'ts, or just a history book or a collection of stories. It is a book that is completely unique in the claim that it was created by God's inspiration. Whoever knows God and reads His Word can believe this without a doubt.
The Bible as God's Words for the World
The Bible tells us about God's plan to bring people back to a relationship and friendship with Him. It is a guide for those who have found this relationship with God. It tells them how to live a life pleasing to God. God's Word is an encouragement to those who are struggling with problems or persecution. It strengthens the soul and brings hope for the future.
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@kenny.1996 The Quran is not written in an Arabic dialect from the Mecca area. The Arabic of the Qur'an is not written in a specific dialect from Arabia (Ibn Warraq, the origins of the Qur'an, 1998), nor is it written in the dialect of the Quraish from Mecca as Islamic tradition states.
The dialect in which the Qur'an is written comes from the south of the Levant, or the area where Jordan is today (Mark Durie, On the Origin of Qur'anic Arabic, 2018). This is apparent from the use of the 'ta marbuta' (ة), the alif 'maksura' (ى) and the article 'al' (ال).
These three elements are found only in the southern Levant, where the Nabataeans previously spoke some form of Aramaic, and not in Arabia. These elements later came from Aramaic into the Arabic of that region. So it turns out that the Arabic in which the Quran is written is the Arabic of the southern Levant. This contradicts the Islamic tradition that the Quran originated in the region around Mecca.
There is no evidence that the Quran of 'Uthmaan has been preserved unchanged until now.
There are 6 manuscripts that are considered to be the oldest surviving, namely those from Cairo, Samarkand, Paris, Istanbul, London and Sana'a. Ishanoglu and Altikulac researched this for 5 years and published their results in 2009.
They found that of these 6 manuscripts, none are from the time of 'Uthmaan. The oldest manuscript is that of Paris and is from the early 8th century. Moreover, all these manuscripts are incomplete and differ in thousands of points from the Qur'an today. Corrections have also often been made, and some manuscripts had an underlayer with an older text. Incidentally, not even a single complete Quran has been found up to and including the 10th century.
There is therefore no comparison material whatsoever, and Muslims can at best claim that there is no longer a Qur'an from 'Uthman's time. But with that there is no proof whatsoever that the current Qur'an is the same as that of 'Uthmaan.
There are indications that the Qur'an has been changed from the beginning. In the hadith (Sunan Ibn Majah 3:9:1944) Aisha relates that 'the Qur'anic verse about stoning and breastfeeding was under her pillow.' However, when Muhammad died and they were doing it, 'a sheep came and ate the verse.' In today's Qur'an there is no verse about breastfeeding, but according to Aisha there has been.
The well-known commentator Al-Suyuti (died 1505) mentions that verses of the Qur'an have been lost. For example, he cites 'Umar bin al-Khattaab who is said to have said that 'much of the Qur'an has been lost' (As-Suyuti, Itqan, vol. 3, p. 72). He also refers to Ibn Ka'b, who at one point asks one of the Muslims how many verses surah al-ahzaab contains. The answer is 73, although according to Ibn Ka'b there were originally about 286 verses.
This indicates that the verses already before the final composition of the Qur'an have been lost, so there can be no question that the Qur'an has been completely preserved from the beginning.
From the first centuries of Islam, there have been several readings/versions of the Quran. From the year 736, about 100 years after the death of Muhammad in 632, several Qurans appear. These include Ibn Kathir, Nafi, and Al-Kisai. These are all different readings of the Quran. In fact, the case was that the Arabic script was limited at the time, which presented the following problems:
1) Arabic was written without dots. This can lead to you sometimes having multiple letters that are indistinguishable from each other! For example, the following letters are exactly the same without dots: ح (h), خ (g), ج (dj).
2) Arabic was written without signs for short vowels. These are the fatha (a), the damma (u), and the kasra (i). There were also no signs for double consonants (shadda) and a stop at the end of a letter (sukun).
It is easy to imagine that this leads to an enormous variation in possible pronunciations for a word!
In the 10th century, Ibn Mujahid tried to address this problem by choosing 7 readings. However, each of these were again passed on by two people. Each of them had their own reading, so in the end there were still 14 versions.
This did not solve the problem either, and the number of versions eventually ran into the hundreds. Ibn Al-Jazari (1350-1429) made his own selection and reduced the number to 30. These 30 versions consisted of 10 official versions, of which two students came with their own lecture for each version. Between these versions there are at least 93,000 differences in letters, words, and the way of reading.
Today there are more than 30 different Qurans. The problem of the different readings of the Qur'an has never been solved. Today there are still more than 30 different Qurans! However, in 1924 Hafs' reading was canonized by the authoritative University of Cairo, so designated as the only official version of the Qur'an. The Hafs is now the most widely used version and is used by about 95% of all Muslims. However, other versions have not disappeared and are therefore still in circulation.
The Warsh (3%) is the second most used version and is mainly used in North Africa. However, there are already more than 5000 differences between the Hafs and the Warsh!
An example of this is Sura 3:146: in the Hafs it says قَتَلَ (qatala, 'killed') and in the Warsh it says قُتِلَ (qutila, 'were killed'). Did the prophets in this verse kill or were they killed? Both versions contradict each other.
This makes it clear that we cannot speak of one Qur'an, but of several. In addition, these different versions contain thousands of differences.
These criticisms show that it is unlikely that the Islamic tradition regarding the origin of the Quran and the preservation of the text is reliable. Ibn Warraq (The origins of the Quran, 1998) expresses his surprise at the fact that some historians, on the one hand, recognize the problems of the Islamic tradition, but on the other hand accept this same tradition as true. Fortunately, thanks in particular to new publications about the Qur'an, more and more people are gaining insight into the true background of the Qur'an.
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@marjan.f7441 The Qur'an also gives the impression that the sun and stars "stick" against the sky as can be seen visually, which, however, does not correspond to reality. 25.61. Blessed is He Who has placed the stars, the shining sun, and the shining moon in the sky. 37.6. We have adorned the lowest heaven with stars. We now know that this does not correspond to reality and that the stars are very far away and do not hang in the lowest sky.
Moon is a bright light. According to the Quran, the moon gives light, but in reality this is not so: 10.5. He it is Who made the sun a radiant light, and the moon a bright light, and ordained stages for it, that ye might know the number of the years and the reckoning (of the time). Allah has not created this except in truth. He sets forth the signs for a people, that is to know.
The sun rotates in a fixed orbit. Around the Earth? 21.33. And it is He who created the night and the day. Also the sun and the moon, each of them moves along a (fixed) orbit. 36.40. The sun may not overtake the moon, nor can the night overtake the day. They each float in their own orbit.
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@marjan.f7441 The Mis-interpretation of Luke 19:27
There is a statement in the Parable of the pounds (Luke 19:11-27) that many opponents of Christianity have used to convey the point that Jesus commanded his disciples to kill anyone that refuse to be ruled by Christ. In fact this is the verse:
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me."-Luke 19:27
Of course this is taken out of context and miss-interpreted. How is this a miss-interpretation? Did not Jesus make this statement? Yes he did. So how can we Christians explain this command of Jesus, to kill those who would not be ruled by him?
First of all, if you notice the disciples were not a military group. They were not equipped to make war or fight. Neither did they carry out this alleged command of Christ, did you ever wondered why? It is because Jesus did not direct them to do so, because he was reciting not his words but the words of a character in his Parable of the Pounds. The disciples knew that Jesus was just telling a story, not giving a command to be followed.
One of the reasons for this miss-interpretation of Luke 19:27 is because the opponents of Christianity have a habit of disregarding the context of the verses they cite. The context of the verse is preceded by the parable of the pounds, which is very similar to the parable of the talents. and is followed by Jesus heading to Jerusalem. The emphasis of the two parables is different from each other however. The parable of the Talents that is found in the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 25, emphasizes stewardship. The Parable of the Pounds not only emphasizes stewardship, but it also discloses what may happen to those who refuse to comply with the ruler of their time. Jesus was regarded neither as a ruler or even a nobleman. Jesus was, in many peoples eyes as a carpenter's adopted son, although he was qualified to be a king of Israel, for he was an descendant of King David. The nobles in Jesus's day were the Romans and whosoever they appointed to Govern Judea. Jesus through the teaching of this parable was making his disciples understand what rulers do when they take over a dominion, they eliminate their enemies. They squash any hint of rebellion. The disciples never took the instruction as a command to slay anyone that refused to be ruled by Jesus.
Another reason for the miss-interpretation of the verse in question, is the fact that the opponents of Christianity believe that Jesus is talking about himself in this parable as the nobleman. Which is understandable because of the similarity between the nobleman actions and Jesus's claims: The nobleman goes to receive a kingdom, likewise Jesus said that he was on his way to receive a kingdom of his Father in heaven.( Mark 14:25; Luke 22:29+30) The fact of the matter is that the nobleman could be anyone but Jesus, because Jesus does not command his disciples to kill anyone.
Typical Muslim behavior. Picking out a verse and then taking it out of context so that the whole meaning changes.
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@marjan.f7441 Portraying Jesus as a murderer. Perhaps you have not read your Quran properly?
Sura 26:
Thou shalt fight the Jews until even the stone behind which a Jew hides himself cries out to you: 'Servant of God, behold a Jew behind me: kill him!'"
Sura 2:193, 8:39;
“Fight them until idolatry ceases to exist and religion belongs wholly to Allah.”
Sura 3:200
“O believers, persevere patiently and patiently resist and equip yourselves for battle and fear Allah.”
Surah 4:76
“Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, but the disbelievers fight in the way of the idol. So fight the henchmen of Satan.”
Sura 4:84
“Fight then in the way of Allah, without bearing a burden except for yourself, and exhort the believers.”
Sura 4:89 (Specifically against those who apostate Islam is the verse):
“If they turn from you, seize them and put them to death wherever you find them; and take neither friend nor helper from among them.”
Sura 5:33
“But the punishment for those who fight Allah and His Messenger and bring ruin (= disbelief) in the land is that they be killed or crucified, that both their hands or feet are cut off, or that they are exiled.”
Surah 8:12
“I will sow terror in the hearts of the disbelievers. Cut off their heads, mutilate them in all limbs.”
Surah 8:60
“And prepare against them with what you have of fortitude and horse power, to terrify Allah's enemy with it.”
Surah 8:65
“O thou prophet, exhort the believers to battle.”
Sura 9:5
“Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, take them captive and besiege them and prepare them for all kinds of ambush.”
Surah 9:14
“Fight them. Allah will punish them by your hands and humiliate them.”
Surah 9:29
“Fight those who disbelieve in Allah, nor in the Last Day, and who do not make forbidden what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden (= the Gentiles), and those who do not adhere to the true religion among those to whom the Scriptures is given (= Jews and Christians), until they pay the tribute out of hand in submission.”
Surah 9:41
“Come out lightly and heavily laden and fight, with your possessions and your person, in the way of Allah.”
Surah 9:73 and 66:9
“War war against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal with them harshly.”
(The "hypocrites" were those who gave Muhammad his will and declared him a prophet, but were refusing to effectively support his jihad.)
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@marjan.f7441 If you don't know what you're talking about, don't comment.
In John 7:8, Jesus' brothers taunt him and tell him to go to Jerusalem for the Feast of Tabernacles. Jesus replies, “You yourselves are going to the feast; I am not going to this festival (ἐγὼ οὐκ ἀναβαίνω εἰς τὴν ἑορτὴν ταύτην), for my time is not yet fully fulfilled.” The problem, of course, is that he does go to Jerusalem (v 10). So was Jesus fair? I'm not going up yet (οὔπω replaces οὐκ)." The external evidence for οὔπω is actually quite strong (p66, 75, Vaticanus, but not Sinaiticus), but internally it is inconceivable that a writer would have changed οὔπω to οὐκ and the issue of Jesus' honesty would have introduced οὐκ is preferred in all major translations. Note also that the explicit continuous translation "I am not going up" (ἀναβαίνω) favored by most translations, at least paves the way for the reader to hear "not yet". The more complete answer is provided by the condition, "my time has not quite come yet. Jesus' route is determined by the Father and therefore the time is not yet ripe for it. But he would go if his father told him to. I've explained this to you before, but you keep taking the verse out of context.
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@marjan.f7441
In John 2, Mary, Jesus, and some of the disciples are attending a wedding. In John 2:3, Mary tells Jesus that the host has run out of wine. Mary obviously wants Jesus to do something special to fix the situation; He had performed no miracles up to this point (John 2:11), and Mary undoubtedly thought it was time He showed who He was. Jesus’ response, read in modern English, strikes some people as abrupt, even impolite or rude. He responds, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come” (ESV). It’s Jesus’ addressing His mother as “Woman” that seems most rude to us.
One of the problems with translating from one language to another is that certain phrases have meanings not easily transferred. Phrases that don’t mean exactly what they say are often called “idioms,” and they can cause confusion in translation. For example, exclamations such as “heads up!” or “look out!” actually mean the opposite of their literal words—if someone yells, “Heads up!” we usually duck our heads. A native English speaker understands such idioms instinctively, but in order to translate them, we’d have to pick words that aren’t synonyms—heads up! might translate into words that mean “get down!”—or end up with a confusing phrase.
What Jesus says to His mother in John 2:4 sounds almost rude in English. However, in the original language, and in that culture, Mary would not have interpreted Jesus’ words that way. The term woman was used like we use the term ma’am. By addressing Mary this way, Jesus does distance Himself from His mother somewhat—He was exerting His independence from her wishes—but in no way was it a rude manner of speaking. Jesus lovingly uses the same word from the cross when He tells Mary that He is entrusting her to John’s care (John 19:26).
The question Jesus asks His mother isn’t rude, either. It may sound rude in the KJV: “What have I to do with thee?” (John 2:4), but it was a common idiom. In the Greek, Jesus’ question is “Ti emoi kai soi?” The phrase was used to ask of the connection between two people. The question could be translated as “What business do we have with each other?” Or, in less formal terms, “What does this have to do with me?” (ESV) or “Why do you involve me?” (NIV). Again, Jesus is expressing the fact that He is independent of His mother; as eager as Mary was to see Jesus do a miracle, she had no right to determine the time or the manner in which Jesus publicly revealed His glory. Jesus makes His point gently and without being rude, however.
Jesus concludes His statement to Mary with, “My hour has not yet come.” The reference to His “hour” or “time” (NET) means that Jesus was constantly working from a divine timetable. So, He wasn’t going to reveal His power sooner than God the Father intended (see John 5:30). One of the points Jesus made in His temptation in the desert was that there is such a thing as doing the right thing for the wrong reasons (Matthew 4:1–10). That is, it would be wrong to perform a miracle if the time and place are not according to God’s will.
Jesus did act, performing His first miracle. He turned the water into wine, but He did so in a very subtle, subdued way. Only the servants, Mary, and a few disciples even knew what He had done. The miracle was to introduce the disciples to His ability, not to show off or to go public with His power (see John 2:11).
So, Jesus isn’t being rude or dismissive in John 2:4. He’s politely pointing out that He follows God’s timing, not Mary’s; and that this is not His moment to be publicly revealed. Some of the respectful tone is lost in translation, perhaps, but Jesus was not being rude.
Also this i have explained to you before.
It does not matter if you cannot learn, it matters when you refuse to learn.
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@azamshah-w7m
No you don't understand the verse.
This commission in Matthew 28:18 to go and make disciples of the nations is grounded in a reality in a truth that Jesus has all authority over the nations, Matthew 28:18 to go and make disciples of the nations is grounded in a reality in a truth that Jesus has all authority over the nations, all authority over every life. So why do we go and make disciples? Why do we go and share the gospel, and lead people to be baptized, and identification with Him and teach them to obey everything he has commanded? Because he is Lord.
This is what drives us. This is the confession of faith that we see all throughout the Book of Acts. God has made this Jesus who was crucified both Lord and Christ. When you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. It all revolves around Jesus’s Lordship, and this is why we go. This is why we make disciples, because Jesus is Lord.
Philippians 2, 9 through 11, “One day, every knee is going to bow. Every tongue is going to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God, the father.” Sometimes I hear people say, “I’ve decided to make Jesus Lord of my life.” The reality is though, you really didn’t have a choice in the matter. Jesus is Lord over your life. The question is not whether or not he is Lord. The question is, will you bow the knee to his Lordship now or will you bow the knee to his Lordship when it is too late?
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@azamshah-w7m The New Testament was originally written in Greek.
In order to identify the original language of the New Testament, it is important to understand the language situation in the first century AD. Before the exile of Judah in the early sixth century BC, Hebrew was the main spoken and written language in ancient Israel and Judah, and most of the Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew.
Under Persian imperial rule in the sixth through the early fourth centuries BC, Aramaic became the official language of government and most scribal education, and it gradually became the most common spoken language in the region. Hebrew and Aramaic are closely related languages of the so-called “Semitic” branch (of the Afroasiatic family), and they mixed and influenced each other to a large extent during this period. Some portions of the Old Testament were originally written in Aramaic, especially parts of Daniel and Ezra, as were some of the Dead Sea Scrolls and other early Jewish literature.
With the conquest of Alexander the Great in the late fourth century, Greek gained prominence as the common language of government, trade, and elite culture throughout the Eastern Mediterranean, including Judea and Galilee. By the third century BC at the latest, the Jewish expatriate community in Egypt had largely lost the ability to speak Hebrew and/or Aramaic, and so they translated the books of the Hebrew Bible into their then-native Greek. These translations—collectively called the “Septuagint”—became the main Scriptures used in the Jewish diaspora, the Jewish people living outside of the land of Israel. Many Jewish works from the diaspora, as well as some from Judea, were also written in Greek in this period.
Thus, by the time of the first century AD, the language situation in Palestine was very complicated and multilingual. Aramaic appears to have been the most common spoken language, especially among the working classes. Hebrew continued to be used for prayer and to compose religious texts, such as many of the Dead Sea Scrolls. And there is some evidence that Hebrew also continued to be used as a spoken language in some circles. Greek was widely spoken in the area as well, especially by Jews from higher socio-economic classes and those who had reason to interact with their Gentile neighbors. Thus, the language used for any spoken or written interaction depended on who was involved and the purpose of the conversation, and Greek allowed for the widest possible dissemination of written works throughout the Mediterranean world.
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@azamshah-w7m Beyond this general linguistic background, the manuscript evidence is a crucial part of addressing the question of what language the New Testament was written in. Here, the evidence is unequivocal: the New Testament is a corpus of Greek compositions. The Institute for New Testament Textual Research has documented over five thousand Greek manuscripts containing parts (or all) of the New Testament, ranging from the second century AD into the early modern era. This Greek tradition ultimately was and is the source for all known translations of the New Testament into other languages, ancient and modern. This includes ancient translations into Latin, Coptic, Syriac, Ethiopic, Armenian, and Georgian. It also includes, of course, modern translations into countless languages around the world.
In sharp contrast, there are no ancient Hebrew manuscripts of the New Testament whatsoever. Some late-antique Jewish polemical works do include Hebrew translations of parts of the New Testament, but the earliest extant Hebrew version of a complete New Testament book is the fourteenth-century version of Matthew included in a polemical work by the Jewish scholar Shem Tov. This Hebrew version likely pre-dated Shem Tov, but it has many elements from Latin and medieval vernacular languages that prove that it is a late translation ultimately derived from the known Greek Matthew, rather than reflecting an original Hebrew version of the book.1 (The books of the New Testament have also been translated into Hebrew on multiple occasions in modern times, but these are irrelevant for the question of the original language of the New Testament.)
The situation with Aramaic is more difficult, since there are ancient copies of the New Testament in different dialects of Aramaic. Even after the first century AD, Aramaic continued to be widely spoken in the Eastern Mediterranean, Mesopotamia, and surrounding areas in a wide variety of local dialects. These dialects cannot exactly be considered “Jesus’ mother tongue,” because they changed considerably over time and varied significantly from place to place. Given the growth of Christianity in the East, it is no surprise that both the Old and New Testaments were translated into these dialects and revised multiple times between the second and the seventh centuries. These versions are usually called the “Syriac,” which is one of the most widely used and well-documented dialects of Aramaic. Another noteworthy translation was made into the Christian Palestinian Aramaic dialect, which has more Palestinian influence than the other versions. While these Aramaic New Testament versions were made already in antiquity, the scholarly consensus is clear that they were translations, mostly from the Greek, into later Aramaic dialects. They were not original Aramaic versions of the New Testament books.2 The fact that even the earliest Syriac translators had to rely on Greek manuscripts is a good indication that Hebrew or Aramaic copies of the New Testament were unavailable already in the early centuries AD. The manuscript tradition thus strongly indicates a Greek origin for all of the books of the New Testament.
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@everdimacuta4469 Jesus allows Himself to be called God and accepts worship
We read a number of times that Jesus is worshiped and/or called God. He never condemns this. If Jesus were not God, wouldn't He have clearly told them not to worship Him?
In John. 20:28 Thomas says to Jesus, “My Lord, my God,” to which Jesus does not rebuke him.
When Jesus once asked His disciples, “But who do you say that I am?” Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father which is in heaven” (Matt. 16:15-17).
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@marjan.f7441 The scribes and Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery to Jesus. They set her in the middle and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of committing adultery. Moses in the law commands us to stone such women. What do you think of that?'
Jesus straightened up and said, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her." He stooped again and wrote on the ground. When they heard that, they left. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Where are they? Has no one condemned you?” “No one, sir,” she said. “Neither do I condemn you,” said Jesus. “Go home, and sin no more from now on.”
In this Gospel, Jesus says: The only remedy to repent those who have sinned is to forgive, to create new opportunities, to restore them to their dignity.
That is what Christianity is about, about forgiveness, love for each other.
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@marjan.f7441 You are lying. Mohammed killed innocent people purely because they did not want to convert to Islam.
Furthermore, you are just like all other Muslims. Picking verses from the Bible and taking them out of context. Let me give 2 examples.
One of the reasons why people misrepresent God or unjustly judge his actions is due to lack of knowledge and the refusal to spend time getting a complete picture of the troubling events from the Bible.
This question is a classic case!.
They focus is on what God did to the Midianite rather than why he did it, therefore, let's get some clarity on this by visiting Numbers chapter 21.
The children of Israel were on the journey to the Promised Land. God had already told them the land of the Moabites did not belong to them and he was not given them this land. They were to go around it on the way to the land he promised them.
However, when the children of Israel arrived near Moab the Moabites and the Midianites (Grandchildren of Abraham through Keturah) came out to war against the Israelites. They staged a spiritual war rather than a physical one.
It was determined that trying to defeat Israel in a physical war will be challenging; therefore they resorted to hiring a prophet to curse the children of Israel.
When the prophet - Balaam - surmised that this will not work; he asked the Midianite women to seduce the Israelites men into the sexual worship of other gods. Balaam the prophet and Balak the Midianite knew that this will result in apostasy and death.
Eventually, 24000 Israelites died from the plague as a result of the worship of other gods.
First of all, we note that Jesus' words in Luke 19:27 are part of a parable (Luke 19:11: To the people who were listening, he told another parable, as he was now near Jerusalem and they thought that the kingdom of God was soon to come).
A parable of a king who returns to find that his subjects have rebelled against him.
Hence, Jesus did not command His disciples then and there to beat people to death for Him. Jesus Himself indicated that He came precisely to save the (lost) people.
The Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost. (Luke 19:10)
Luke 19:11 tells us that people back then assumed that the Kingdom of God would now soon come. Jesus speaks this parable to correct them. See Luke 19:41 which speaks of Jesus weeping over Jerusalem. Jesus then continues with a prophetic statement in Luke 19:43, which speaks of the times when violence would come upon them (Luke 19:43: For the time will come when your enemies will set up sieges against you, surround you, and include all sides). “For the time will come,” clearly shows that Jesus was talking about the future and not the present. This agrees with the prophecies in Revelation about the end times, when the antichrist will wage war against the Lamb (Jesus).
They fight the lamb, but the lamb will overcome them. For the Lamb is the supreme lord and king, and those who belong to him, those who are called and chosen are faithful (Revelation 17:14).
Those who fight against Jesus in Revelation 17:14 are similar to the enemies in Luke 19:27, those who hated Him in Luke 19:14 (But his countrymen hated him and sent delegates after him, saying, "We don't want to let that man become king over us!"). What we see is an example of such persons who hate Jesus and do not want Him to be king over them, in Luke 19:47.
As we can see by reading the text of Luke 19 in its entirety, the statement that Jesus commands the killing of people in the Gospels is disproved. On the contrary, Jesus weeps over (the inhabitants of) Jerusalem and comes to them as a servant to save the lost.
Jesus is about to die and ascend to the Father. Jesus' return will be the final judgment, and Jesus tells us elsewhere in the Bible that the angels follow His commands to carry out the judgment (see Matthew 13:41-43). So Luke 19:27, in its direct context, is part of a parable that, however, has nothing to do with Jesus' disciples killing someone. And assuming the parable refers to the final judgment after Jesus' return, "those who stood by" (verse 24) refers to the angels sent out by Jesus for judgment.
CONCLUSION
This is a parable/parable referring to the final judgment after Jesus' return.
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@Servant-Of-Al-Qudus At this point in Jesus' ministry, there were people who wanted to kill Him in Judea. Jesus knew this and His brothers knew this, yet they still tried to get Him to come with them. John 7:1–4 records, "After this Jesus went about in Galilee. He would not go about in Judea, because the Jews were seeking to kill him. Now the Jews' Feast of Booths was at hand. So his brothers said to him, 'Leave here and go to Judea, that your disciples also may see the works you are doing. For no one works in secret if he seeks to be known openly. If you do these things, show yourself to the world.'" On the surface, Jesus' brothers sound supportive and like they want Him to be seen and known by others. The following verse, however, says that His brothers did not believe in Jesus as Lord (John 7:5), so in knowing this we can ascertain that their invitation was inherently sarcastic. Jesus could see right through their deception.
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@Servant-Of-Al-Qudus Mark 14: 60 61 62
60 καὶ ἀναστὰς ὁ ἀρχιερεὺς εἰς τὸ μέσον ἐπηρώτησε τὸν Ἰησοῦν, λέγων, Οὐκ ἀποκρίνῃ οὐδέν; τί οὗτοί σου καταμαρτυροῦσιν;
61 ὁ δὲ ἐσιώπα, καὶ οὐδὲν ἀπεκρίνατο. πάλιν ὁ ἀρχιερεὺς ἐπηρώτα αὐτόν, καὶ λέγει αὐτῷ, Σὺ εἶ ὁ Χριστός, ὁ Υἱὸς τοῦ εὐλογητοῦ;
62 ὁ δὲ Ἰησοῦς εἶπεν, Ἐγώ εἰμι. καὶ ὄψεσθε τὸν Υἱὸν τοῦ ἀνθρώπου καθήμενον ἐκ δεξιῶν τῆς δυνάμεως, καὶ ἐρχόμενον μετὰ τῶν νεφελῶν τοῦ οὐρανοῦ.
60 And the high priest, standing up in the midst, asked Jesus, saying, Answerest thou nothing? How these testify against you;
61 But He was silent, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the blessed God?
62 And Jesus said, It is I. And ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of the power of God, and coming with the clouds of heaven.
Isaiah 44:6
οὕτως λέγει ὁ θεὸς ὁ βασιλεὺς τοῦ Ισραηλ ὁ ῥυσάμενος αὐτὸν θεὸς σαβαωθ ἐγὼ πρῶτος καὶ ἐγὼ μετὰ ταῦτα, πλὴν ἐμοῦ οὐκ ἔστιν θεός.
Thus says the LORD, the King and Redeemer of Israel, the LORD of Hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God but Me.
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@JesusisaMuslim
ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 1
Ο Λόγος έγινε άνθρωπος
1 Απ’ όλα πριν υπήρχε ο Λόγος
κι ο Λόγος ήτανε με τον Θεό,
κι ήταν Θεός ο Λόγος.
2 Απ’ την αρχή ήταν αυτός με τον Θεό.
3 Τα πάντα δι’ αυτού δημιουργήθηκαν
κι απ’ όσα έγιναν
τίποτα χωρίς αυτόν δεν έγινε.
4 Αυτός ήτανε η ζωή,
και ήταν η ζωή αυτή το φως για τους ανθρώπους.
5 Το φως αυτό έλαμψε μέσα στου κόσμου το σκοτάδι,
μα το σκοτάδι δεν το δέχτηκε.
6 Ο Θεός έστειλε έναν άνθρωπο που τον έλεγαν Ιωάννη· 7αυτός ήρθε ως μάρτυρας για να κηρύξει ποιος είναι το φως, ώστε με τα λόγια του να πιστέψουν όλοι. 8Δεν ήταν ο ίδιος το φως, ήρθε όμως για να πει ποιος είναι το φως.
9 Ο Λόγος ήταν το αληθινό το φως,
που καθώς έρχεται στον κόσμο
φωτίζει κάθε άνθρωπο.
10 Μέσα στον κόσμο ήταν,
κι ο κόσμος δι’ αυτού δημιουργήθηκε,
μα δεν τον αναγνώρισε ο κόσμος.
11 Ήρθε στον τόπο το δικό του,
και οι δικοί του δεν τον δέχτηκαν.
12 Σ’ όσους όμως τον δέχτηκαν και πίστεψαν σ’ αυτόν,
έδωσε το δικαίωμα
να γίνουν παιδιά του Θεού.
13 Απ’ το Θεό γεννήθηκαν αυτοί και όχι από γυναίκας αίμα, ούτε από επιθυμία ανθρώπινη ή επιθυμία άντρα.
14 Ο Λόγος έγινε άνθρωπος
κι έστησε τη σκηνή του ανάμεσά μας
και είδαμε τη θεϊκή του δόξα,
τη δόξα που ο μοναχογιός την έχει απ’ τον Πατέρα,
ήρθε γεμάτος χάρη θεϊκή κι αλήθεια για μας.
15 Ο Ιωάννης είπε επίσημα τη γνώμη του γι’ αυτόν και τη διακήρυξε λέγοντας: «Γι’ αυτόν ήταν που είπα, “εκείνος που έρχεται ύστερα από μένα είναι ανώτερός μου, γιατί υπήρχε πριν από μένα”».
16 Απ’ το δικό του πλούτο
πήραμε όλοι εμείς
τη μια δωρεά πάνω στην άλλη.
17 Ο νόμος δόθηκε δια του Μωυσέως, η χάρη η θεϊκή όμως και η αλήθεια ήρθε σ’ εμάς δια του Ιησού Χριστού.
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It really amazes me how far you will go to prove that Jesus was not crucified.
Isaiah 53:5
It speaks of one known as the "suffering servant," who suffers because of the sins of others. Jesus is said to fulfill this prophecy through his death on the cross.
Muslims reject the crucifixion event, a denial rooted in the Quran.
The Quran was written in the seventh century, almost 600 years after the Crucifixion of Christ. The Gospels, in contrast, were written thirty-five to sixty-five years after the events they describe.
. Paul’s epistles were written even earlier. His First Letter to the Corinthians, written around AD 55, contains an early Christian creed that begins:
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures. (1 Cor. 15:3-7)
Scholars date this creed, which represents an early oral tradition of the Christian Church, to within six years after Christ’s death. Some have argued that it may have developed mere months after Christ’s death and resurrection. Although this creed does not explicitly mention crucifixion, earlier in the same epistle, Paul mentions “Christ crucified” on multiple occasions (1 Cor. 1:23, 2:2), confirming the sort of death Jesus died.
Early canonical and non-canonical Christian sources testify to Jesus’s Crucifixion, and we can also confirm that early non-Christian sources confirm our case. In the first century, Roman historian Tacitus and Jewish historian Josephus confirm more than just Christ’s Crucifixion: they note Pilate’s association with the execution.
Recent scholarship persuasively confirms that the four Gospels are based on eyewitness testimony. A leading scholar in this area, Richard Bauckham, concludes that the Gospels “embody the testimony of the eyewitness, not of course without editing and interpretation, but in a way that is substantially faithful to how the eyewitnesses themselves told it. He shows that the Gospel writers were “in more or less direct contact with eyewitnesses.
Bauckham further argues that St. John’s Gospel was not merely based on firsthand testimony, but written by an eyewitness to the Crucifixion. This is suggested in John’s epilogue, where the evangelist confirms, “This is the disciple who is bearing witness to these things, and who has written these things” (John 21:24).
No mainstream scholar today argues against Jesus’ historical existence. In fact, nearly all New Testament scholars today, many of whom are non-Christians and skeptics, consider not only Christ’s existence but his Crucifixion to be “historical bedrock.” Critic John Dominic Crossan writes that “Jesus’ death by crucifixion under Pontius Pilate is as sure as anything historical can ever be” (Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography). With similar conviction, atheist scholar Gerd Lüdemann concludes, “Jesus’ death as a consequence of crucifixion is indisputable” (The Resurrection of Christ).
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@filterscape
Who wrote the Qur’an?
Actually, muslims don’t even believe that Muhammad, once it had been revealed to him, wrote it down. He spoke it, preached it, recited it. And those around him, his followers, then memorised it (impossible) and some noted it down on anything to hand, like palm leaves and stones. So how did it become a book? According to Islamic tradition, not until after Muhammad had died (in AD 632), under the first caliph Abu Bakr, were these parts all gathered together and arranged into a book. The scribe Zaid was charged with the job of locating all the parts and compiling them into one volume. And around 20 years later, under the third caliph Uthman, the same scribe was charged with gathering all the variant versions that still existed, determining the correct one and burning the rest. You might think this haphazard process is not one which would have inspired confidence that the final product contained the authentic words, and only the authentic words, of Muhammad. But this is the official story, and Muslims seem happy enough with it.
There are all sorts of potential issues with the traditional Islamic account, which is derived from sources only compiled centuries after Muhammad. Perhaps the most significant, and worth leading with here, is that there is mounting evidence that the Qur’an, or at least the bulk of it, predates Muhammad. A number of manuscript fragments have been found which can be dated (by carbon dating of parchment) to well before the time Muhammad was active. It is also packed with agricultural and geographical references which are out of place in the arid Arabian Peninsula, and written in a dialect of Arabic which even early Muslim scholars agreed was not the dialect of Muhammad’s tribe in Mecca.
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@TheStr8Path
Children are not punished for the sins committed by their parents; neither are parents punished for the sins of their children. Each of us is responsible for our own sins. Ezekiel 18:20 tells us, “The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son.” This verse clearly shows that punishment for one’s sins is borne by that person.
There are verses that lead some to believe in intergenerational punishment for sin, or a generational curse. One of these verses is Exodus 20:5, “You shall not bow down to [idols] or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.”
Keeping Exodus 20:5 in context, we notice right away that God is referring to the sin of idolatry. God considered idolatry to be an extremely treacherous betrayal of a sacred trust. Idolaters were traitors to God’s theocracy. Besides the abhorrent practices which accompanied idol worship in the Old Testament (see Deuteronomy 12:31), idolatry had a way of ingraining itself in a culture. Children raised in such an environment would keep the tradition going and practice similar idolatry, thus falling into the established pattern of disobedience. The effect of one disobedient generation was that wickedness would take root so deeply that it took several generations to reverse.
The implication of Exodus 20:5 is that children are akin to their parents. A new generation will tend to repeat the sins of their forebears. Therefore, God “punishing the children” is simply another way of saying that the children are repeating the fathers’ sins. The tendency to repeat the mistakes of history is especially strong in an idolatrous culture.
Another consideration is that the warning of Exodus 20:5 was part of the Mosaic Law governing Israel in the Old Testament. The generational curse should be seen as a collective punishment on the nation, not as a personal curse on individual families.
So, if a man robs a bank, will God punish that man’s son, even though the son had nothing to do with the robbery? Absolutely not. However, it is quite possible that the father who robbed the bank is making life more difficult for his son, through the natural consequences of his crime. Also, if the man is training his son in the techniques of bank robbing, then there is a good chance the son will follow the same path of dishonesty. In that case, the sin is copied by the son, and the punishment for the sin follows.
As Ezekiel 18:20 shows, each of us is responsible for our own sins, and we must bear the punishment for them. We cannot share our guilt with another, nor can another be held responsible for our transgressions. There is, however, one exception to this rule, and it applies to all mankind. One man bore the sins of others and paid the penalty for them so sinners could become completely righteous and pure in the sight of God. That man is Jesus Christ, who came into the world to exchange His perfection for our sin. “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus was punished for us.
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@ishfaqshah7393
The Bible teaches that God spoke His inspired Scripture through divinely chosen men moved by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:19–21)—that it is , or “God-breathed” (2 Timothy 3:16), true (John 17:17) and the basis for all doctrine (Matthew 4:4). The inspired canon of Scripture concludes with the sobering warning that the Bible is not to be added to or taken from (Revelation 22:18–19). It is not to be contradicted by some “further revelation” that would revise or supersede its commands.
Some Muslims contend that the Bible was originally trustworthy, but that it had become corrupted at some point. This is simply a false and easily disprovable claim. Many Bible manuscripts date back to hundreds of years before Muhammad’s time. Furthermore, these manuscripts were well known in Muhammad’s day, and many of those same manuscripts remain to modern times.
These many documents, in addition to the Dead Sea Scrolls, testify to the preservation and codification of Scripture well before Muhammad’s day. They also present Muslims with a dilemma. If the claimed corruption occurred before the time of Muhammad, then why does the Quran refer to the Bible as the word of God and insist it is to be followed (Surah 2:40–42, 75, 3:3, 71, 93, 98–99; 5:68; 6:91; 10:37, 94; 21:7; 29:45; 35:31; 46:11)? Why does the Quran instruct that Christians were to find the truth in the New Testament of Muhammad’s day (Surah 10:94)? Additionally, if the New Testament is the word of God (as proclaimed in Surah 5:46, 67, 71), and if Jesus was a prophet of God (as Surah 4:171 and elsewhere assert), then Jesus’ words in the Bible should be believed and obeyed. The Quran itself points to the legitimacy of the Bible that God gave to Israel (Surah 2:40–42)! Furthermore, the Quran teaches that the word of God cannot be changed, and that it must be believed and obeyed (Surah 2:136; 4:136; 6:34; 10:34; 29:46).
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@alonzoharris9049
From a Islamic site:
Some Muslims believe that Music is prohibited/sinful in Islam. According to Islam: Music that leads to sinful acts such as drugs, sex, violence, etc... is absolutely sinful in Islam. But otherwise, how would it be sinful when Allah Almighty Himself allowed it to Prophet David peace be upon him?
Narrated Abu Musa: "That the Prophet said to him 'O Abu Musa! You have been given one of the musical wind-instruments of the family of David.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Virtues of the Qur'an, Volume 6, Book 61, Number 568)"
Let us look at Noble Verse 4:163 "We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms."
Let us look at Noble Verse 17:55 "And it is your Lord that knoweth best all beings that are in the heavens and on earth: We did bestow on some prophets more (and other) gifts than on others: and We gave to David (the gift of) the Psalms."
In the above Saying (Hadith) and Noble Verses, we clearly see that Allah Almighty did send the Book of Psalm to Prophet David peace be upon him. We also see that Allah Almighty called that Book a gift. If Allah Almighty allowed David peace be upon him and his followers to sing and play music, then how could we then claim that music is sinful and prohibited?
There is not a single Noble Verse in the Noble Quran that prohibits music. In fact, music and songs are allowed in the Noble Quran as we saw above. Some Muslims however claim that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him did prohibit music. Well, the section below actually proves the otherwise from the Sayings of Prophet Muhammad himself.
Muslims must also remember that when Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him reached the Holy City of Madina from the Holy City of Mecca with his best friend Abu Bakr; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him, the Muslims played music and sang the famous Islamic song "Talaa El-Badru Alayna" which means "The full moon had come upon us."
The "music prohibition" is a fiction, that finds scant support even in the various ahadith collections.
If the Salafys want to abstain from music, they are free to do so. But don't tell the rest of Islam that the "music prohibition" is THE WORD OF ALLAH! It Isn't!
Music is not prohibited in Islam. Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran allowed music and inspired it upon David peace be upon him. Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him didn't prohibit music unless it was used for sinful activities. Otherwise, music is allowed. It's been proven by science that music relaxes the mind and helps the person to gain energy and refresh himself. Most production plants in the industrial countries allow their workers to play music while working to helping them gain more energy.
Allah Almighty created music so we can use it in a positive and Islamic way to help us ease some of the burden of life from us. Even animals enjoy good music. In the Middle East, some people have their horses dance beautiful dances on music in many of the rural areas while they're celebrating.
You see many Muslims who have not bothered to ACTUALLY READ THE QURAN and HADITHS classify most music as "haram"!
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@generaljg4373 Muslims repeatedly claim that the Bible has been corrupted and that the Qur’an is the only trustworthy scripture in existence. This is why Muslims often attack the Bible. But this cannot be according to the Quran. The Quran says that the books of Moses, the Psalms, and the gospel were all given by God.
Torah – “We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers,” (Sura 2:87).
Psalms – “We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma’il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms,” (4:163).
Gospel – “It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong),” (3:3).
Also, “And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah,” (5:46).
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@generaljg4373 We see that the Qur’an states that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel were all given by God. With this, we Christians heartily agree. But, the Muslims claim that the Bible is corrupted and full of contradictions. If that is so, then it would seem they do not believe the Qur’an since the Qur’an says that the Word of God cannot be altered:
“Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers,” (6:34).
“The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all,” (6:115).
“For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity,” (10:64).
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@marjan.f7441 Muslims repeatedly claim that the Bible has been corrupted and that the Qur’an is the only trustworthy scripture in existence. This is why Muslims often attack the Bible. But this cannot be according to the Quran. The Quran says that the books of Moses, the Psalms, and the gospel were all given by God.
Torah – “We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers,” (Sura 2:87).
Psalms – “We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma’il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms,” (4:163).
Gospel – “It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong),” (3:3).
Also, “And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah,” (5:46).
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@marjan.f7441 We see that the Qur’an states that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel were all given by God. With this, we Christians heartily agree. But, the Muslims claim that the Bible is corrupted and full of contradictions. If that is so, then it would seem they do not believe the Qur’an since the Qur’an says that the Word of God cannot be altered:
“Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers,” (6:34).
“The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all,” (6:115).
“For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity,” (10:64).
When Muhammad (570-632) was alive, he claimed to receive the revelation of the Qu’ran from Allah. This means that at that time the Bible, which was in existence, could not have been corrupted because the Qu’ran states that God’s word cannot be corrupted.
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@marjan.f7441 When the context is examined the answer becomes clear. John 7 starts off with Jesus walking in Galilee. His brothers said in verses 3-4, “Depart from here, and go into Judea, that Your disciples also may behold Your works which You are doing. 4 For no one does anything in secret when he himself seeks to be known publicly. If You do these things, show Yourself to the world.” We see that Jesus’ brothers wanted Him to go into Judea publicly, but they did not believe who He was, “For not even His brothers were believing in Him,” (v. 5). In verse 8, Jesus responded by telling them, “…because My time had not yet come.” The statement “My time had not yet come” refers to both Jesus revealing Himself to the world as well as the time of his death which the Pharisees would later arrange. He sent His brothers on their way. Then in verse 9, it says that Jesus stayed in Galilee. We do not know how long He stayed there, but it is evident that Jesus did so for a while and then decided to go up to Judea in secret. “But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as it were, in secret,” (John 7:10).
So we see in verse 8 that Jesus meant he was not going up to the feast “right then and there” since it is in the present tense. But, Jesus went and stayed for a time in Galilee and later went up to Judea.
Furthermore, it is not a lie when a person decides to do one thing and then later changes his mind to do another. A lie would mean that Jesus knew He was going to do one thing but deliberately said he would not with the intention of deceiving people. This is not the case, and the text doesn’t support it.
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@Alam22414 You do not comment on the contradictions in the Quran. Then you pretend they aren't there.
By the way, answer the following questions, see if you're still so smart. 👇
According to Muslims, Allah saved Isa from the cross. Allah let Muhammad die when he was poisoned. Why?
According to Muslims, Isa is now in paradise while Mohammed is in his grave, why?
Isa is referenced 25 times in the Quran, Mohammed 4 times, why?
Isa sinless in the Quran, Muhammad sinful, why?
Finally, can a Muslim prove that Isa of the Qur'an and Jesus Christ of the Bible are the same?
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@marjan.f7441 There is a statement in the Parable of the pounds (Luke 19:11-27) that many opponents of Christianity have used to convey the point that Jesus commanded his disciples to kill anyone that refuse to be ruled by Christ. In fact this is the verse:
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me."-Luke 19:27
Of course this is taken out of context and miss-interpreted. How is this a miss-interpretation? Did not Jesus make this statement? Yes he did. So how can we Christians explain this command of Jesus, to kill those who would not be ruled by him?
First of all, if you notice the disciples were not a military group. They were not equipped to make war or fight. Neither did they carry out this alleged command of Christ, did you ever wondered why? It is because Jesus did not direct them to do so, because he was reciting not his words but the words of a character in his Parable of the Pounds. The disciples knew that Jesus was just telling a story, not giving a command to be followed.
One of the reasons for this miss-interpretation of Luke 19:27 is because the opponents of Christianity have a habit of disregarding the context of the verses they cite. The context of the verse is preceded by the parable of the pounds, which is very similar to the parable of the talents. and is followed by Jesus heading to Jerusalem. The emphasis of the two parables is different from each other however. The parable of the Talents that is found in the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 25, emphasizes stewardship. The Parable of the Pounds not only emphasizes stewardship, but it also discloses what may happen to those who refuse to comply with the ruler of their time. Jesus was regarded neither as a ruler or even a nobleman. Jesus was, in many peoples eyes as a carpenter's adopted son, although he was qualified to be a king of Israel, for he was an descendant of King David. The nobles in Jesus's day were the Romans and whosoever they appointed to Govern Judea. Jesus through the teaching of this parable was making his disciples understand what rulers do when they take over a dominion, they eliminate their enemies. They squash any hint of rebellion. The disciples never took the instruction as a command to slay anyone that refused to be ruled by Jesus.
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@freemanontheland507 Which radical Islamic and jihadist attacks have been committed in the West in recent years?
2004
Madrid, 11-03-2004
A terrorist cell carries out a series of explosive attacks on four trains in Madrid. 191 people are killed and nearly 1,800 are injured. Five suspects are arrested after the attacks, eight others blow themselves up during an arrest by the Spanish police. In 2007, four main suspects and sixteen others will be assessed.
Amsterdam, 02-11-2004
In Amsterdam, a man kills the Dutch director, program maker and columnist Theo van Gogh. The perpetrator is arrested by the police during his flight and on July 26, 2005 sentenced to life imprisonment.
London, 07-07-2005
A four-man terrorist cell carries out four bombings in London. Targets are three subway lines and a bus. 56 people are killed and about 700 people are injured.
London, 21-07-2005
In London, failed bombings take place on three underground lines and a bus. The bombs cause hardly any damage, probably due to construction errors. One is injured, presumably one of the perpetrators. The police later arrested four suspects.
Chapel Hill, 03-03-2006
A man drives a rented car into pedestrians on the campus of the University of North Carolina in the American city of Chapel Hill. Nine people are injured in this. Shortly after the attack, the perpetrator turned himself in to the police and pleaded guilty. In 2008 he was sentenced to 33 years in prison.
Cologne - Dortmund - Koblenz, 07/31/2006
Two men commit failed attacks on two trains en route from Cologne to Dortmund and Koblenz. The bombs are hidden in suitcases. Due to construction errors, the explosives do not explode.
London, 29-06-2007
A car bomb at Tiger Tiger nightclub in London is discovered in time. The car was put down by two men who will carry out an attack at the airport in Glasgow a day later. Due to a construction error, the bombs do not go off.
Glasgow, 06/30/2007
Two men commit an attack at Glasgow International Airport (Scotland) by ramming the entrance with a car filled with propane gas cylinders. The attack fails, only one of the perpetrators is injured.
Exeter, May 22, 2008
A man commits a failed attack in the Princesshay shopping center in Exeter, United Kingdom. The explosive explodes prematurely, only the perpetrator is slightly injured.
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@freemanontheland507 Little Rock, 07-01-2009
A man opens fire in a drive-by shooting in Little Rock, the capital of the US state of Arkansas, on soldiers waiting outside a US Army recruiting office. There is one dead and one injured. The perpetrator was sentenced to life imprisonment in 2011.
Milan, 10/12/2009
A man attacks soldiers in an army barracks in the Italian city of Milan. Only some of the explosives go off. As a result, only two were injured, including the perpetrator.
Fort Hood, 05-11-2009
At the military base of Fort Hood in the US state of Texas, a man kills 13 soldiers. He injures more than thirty. In 2013, the perpetrator was sentenced to death.
Amsterdam-Detroit, 25-12-2009
A man tries to attack Northwest Airlines flight 253 from Amsterdam to Detroit with explosives. The attack fails and the perpetrator is overpowered by fellow passengers. Three people were injured, including the assailant. In 2012, he was sentenced in the United States to four life terms plus fifty years.
Arhus, 01-01-2010
In the Danish town of Arhus, a man commits a failed attack on cartoonist Kurt Westergaard. The latter manages to get himself to safety. The assailant is shot and arrested by the police. In February 2011, he was sentenced to nine years in prison in the United States.
New York City, 05-01-2010
A man places a car bomb in Times Square in New York City. Due to a construction error, the explosives do not go off. In October 2010, the perpetrator was sentenced to life imprisonment.
Uppsala, 11/05/2010
A man attacks Swedish cartoonist Lars Vilks during a lecture at Uppsala University in Sweden. The police, who are present in the room, can intervene in time. A week after the attack, an attempt is made to set fire to Vilks' house.
London, 22-05-2010
A woman stabs British MP Stephen Timms in London. In her act she is overpowered by security. Timms is seriously injured, but survives the attack. The perpetrator was sentenced in November to life imprisonment.
Aarhus, 09-10-2010
A man plans a bomb attack on the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten. However, the bomb explodes prematurely. In 2011, the perpetrator was sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Stockholm, 11-12-2010
A man commits two attacks in Stockholm. First, he detonates a car bomb, in which two people are slightly injured. Then he walks into a busy shopping street to detonate a bomb vest. However, the vest explodes too early. Only the perpetrator is killed.
Frankfurt, 02/05/2011
A man opens fire on a bus carrying American soldiers at the airport in the German city of Frankfurt. Two people are killed (including the bus driver), two others are injured.
Toulouse/Montauban, 11/15/19-03-2012
In three shootings in the French cities of Toulouse and Montauban, a man killed several people: on March 11 a French soldier at a gym, on March 15 two French soldiers at a shopping center and on March 19 three students and a teacher from a Jewish school. Five people were also injured in the attacks.
Paris, 09-19-2012
A man attacks a kosher supermarket in Sarcelles, France, with a hand grenade. One customer of the supermarket is injured. The perpetrator was shot dead by agents on 6 October during an action against a terrorist cell of the police .
Bonn, 10-12-2012
A man leaves a bag with a pipe bomb on the platform of the train station in the German city of Bonn. The explosive doesn't go off, so the attack fails. The man in the CCTV footage was not identified until October 2013. In March 2014, he and three other men were charged with the failed bomb attack in Bonn and with plotting an attack on a German politician. On April 3, 2017, he was sentenced to life imprisonment.
Copenhagen, 05-02-2013
A failed attack on historian, journalist and writer Lars Hedegaard Jensen takes place in the Danish capital Copenhagen. Since then, there has been no trace of the attacker.
Boston, 04-15-2013
Near the finish of the marathon in the American city of Boston, two bombs made with pressure cookers explode in quick succession. Three people are killed in the bombing, 264 are injured. During the manhunt for the perpetrators, one of them is killed, the other is sentenced to death in 2015.
London, 05/22/2013
Two men murder a soldier near the Woolwich Barracks in the London Borough of Woolwich. The perpetrators hit the soldier with a car and then kill him with knives and a cleaver. In 2014, both perpetrators were sentenced to life imprisonment.
Paris, 25-05-2013
A man stabs a soldier in the La Défense neighborhood in the French capital Paris. At that time, the soldier, together with two other soldiers, is standing guard at a metro station. He is injured, but survives the attack.
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@freemanontheland507 Brussels, 24-05-2014
A man opens fire with a Kalashnikov in the Jewish Museum in the Belgian capital Brussels. Three people are killed, a fourth person is seriously injured and later dies from his injuries. The perpetrator is arrested five days later in the French city of Marseille.
Seattle, 07-18-2014
A man is arrested in Seattle, Washington, after committing three terrorist murders on April 27, June 1, and June 25.
Melbourne, 09/23/2014
A man stabs two officers in the parking lot of the police station. The perpetrator is shot dead by another policeman during the attack.
Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, 20-10-2014
A man commits an attack on two Canadian soldiers in the Canadian city of Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu (Quebec) by hitting them with a car. One soldier dies from his wounds, the other survives the attack. After a chase, the perpetrator is shot dead by the police.
Ottawa, 10/22/2014
In Ottawa, Canada, a man kills a soldier standing guard at the National War Monument. He then raids the nearby parliament building, where he is killed in a shootout with security personnel.
New York City, 10/23/2014
A man attacks a group of four police officers with an ax in the Jamaica (borough of Queens) in the American city of New York. He wounds two of the officers before being shot and killed by another officer.
Sydney, 12/15/2014
A man holds 17 people hostage in a Lindt Chocolate Café branch in the Australian city of Sydney. The hostage situation lasted 16 hours. When the police storm the cafe, the perpetrator and one hostage are killed.
Joué-les-Tours, 20-12-2014
A man stabs three police officers with a large knife at a police station in the French town of Joué-les-Tours. The three officers are injured, but survive the attack. The assailant is shot dead by the police.
Paris, 07-01-2015
Two men break into the building in Paris where the editorial office of the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo is located. They kill eleven people. Eleven others are injured. On the street, the men kill another police officer. After a manhunt and a hostage-taking in Dammartin-en-Goëlle, the perpetrators were shot dead by the police on 9 January. This attack can be attributed to one of the branches of Al Qaeda.
Paris, 08/09-01-2015
On January 8, a man shoots and kills a policewoman in the Paris district of Montrouge. A day later, he attacks a kosher supermarket in the Porte de Vincennes district of Paris with several firearms. A hostage situation ensues, in which the perpetrator kills four hostages. The other fifteen people survive the hostage situation. The perpetrator is killed when the police storm the supermarket.
Nice, 03/02/2015
A man stabs two of the three soldiers on guard with a kitchen knife at a Jewish center in the French city of Nice. The soldiers were not seriously injured. The perpetrator is arrested by the police on his flight.
Copenhagen, 14-02-2015
A man opens fire on a cultural center in the Danish capital Copenhagen, which is currently hosting an event hosted by Swedish cartoonist Lars Vilks. One person is killed and three police officers are injured in the shooting. Later that evening, the perpetrator shoots a Jewish security guard at a synagogue in Copenhagen. Two police officers were also injured. The assailant is shot dead by the police the next morning.
Garland, 03/05/2015
Two men open fire on guards at the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland, Texas. At that time, a 'Mohammed Art Exhibit & Contest' takes place here. The two gunmen wound a security guard before being shot dead by a police officer.
Boston, 02/06/2015
A man plans to attack American political activist Pamela Geller, but because it seems too difficult for him, he attacks police officers in Boston instead. The assailant is shot dead by the officers.
Saint-Quintin-Fallavier, 06/26/2015
In Saint-Quintin-Fallavierman, a man beheads his manager of the company ATP Transports. On the grounds of the American chemical company Air Products in the same French municipality, the perpetrator leaves behind the decapitated body and a knife. He then tries to detonate gas bottles on the factory site, but that fails. Two people are injured. The assailant is shot by the police.
Chattanooga, 07/16/2015
A man successively opens fire on a US Army recruitment center and a naval base in Chattanooga in the US state of Tennessee. Four Marines are killed instantly. Two people were also injured, one of whom later died. The assailant is killed by police officers.
Amsterdam-Paris, 21-08-2015
A man fired a few shots with a kalashnikov in the Thalys, which is currently en route from Amsterdam to Paris. Four passengers manage to overpower the man when his weapon jams. Four people were injured in the shooting.
Berlin, September 17, 2015
A man attacks a policewoman in the German capital Berlin. During the attack, he stabs her in the neck. Another police officer then shoots the perpetrator dead.
Sandholm, 29-09-2015
A man stabs a police officer in an asylum seekers' center in Sandholm, Denmark. The officer survives the attack. The perpetrator declares that he committed his act in the name of ISIS and in retaliation for the bombing of ISIS by western countries.
Sydney, 02-10-2015
In the Australian city of Sydney, a boy kills a police officer. The young perpetrator is then shot dead in a shootout with the police. The Australian police assume a terrorist motive.
Merced, 04-11-2015
Four people are stabbed by a man on the campus of the University of California in the American city of Merced. The victims are only injured, the perpetrator is shot dead by the police.
Paris, 11/13/2015
A terrorist cell carries out simultaneous attacks on five different locations in the French capital Paris. Targets include restaurants/cafes, the Bataclan Theater (where a rock concert is currently taking place) and the Stade de France football stadium (where a friendly match is played). More than 130 people were killed and more than 350 were injured in the attacks.
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@freemanontheland507 San Bernardino, 02-12-2015
Two people open fire on guests at a party at the Inland Regional Center, a care center for the disabled in the American city of San Bernardino. Fourteen people are killed in the attack and seventeen are injured. The perpetrators are later killed by the police in a firefight.
London, 06-12-2015
A man with a knife attacks people at Leytonstone tube station in London, England. Three people are injured, the perpetrator is overpowered by the police and arrested.
Valence, 01-01-2016
A man twice drives his car into soldiers guarding a mosque in the French city of Valence. A soldier and a bystander are slightly injured. The perpetrator is shot by the military and arrested.
Paris, 07-01-2016
Armed with a knife and a fake bomb belt, a man in the French capital Paris attacks a police officer standing guard outside a police station. Another officer then shoots the assailant dead.
Philadelphia, 07-01-2016
In the American city of Philadelphia, a man opens fire on a police officer who is sitting in his car. The officer is wounded, but can still fire back, which also wounds the perpetrator.
Marseille, 11-01-2016
In the French city of Marseille, a boy injures a teacher from a Jewish school on his way to work on his way to work. The teacher is slightly injured, the perpetrator is arrested shortly after the attack. On March 5, 2017, he was sentenced to seven years in prison.
Columbus, 02/11/2016
At the Nazareth Restaurant in the American city of Columbus, a man attacks visitors with a machete. Four people are injured. The perpetrator flees and is later shot dead by the police while attempting to arrest him.
Hanover, 26-02-2016
A police officer is stabbed in the neck by a man at the central station of the German city of Hanover. In January 2017, the perpetrator was sentenced to six years in prison for this.
Brussels, 22-03-2016
Two men commit a suicide attack in quick succession at Zaventem airport in the Belgian capital Brussels. At least ten people are killed and more than a hundred people are injured. Later, a third bomb goes off, but no one is injured. About an hour later, another suicide attack is committed in a metro at Maelbeek station (near the European quarter). At least 20 people are killed in this attack and 30 people are injured.
Essen, 16-04-2016
Two men attack a Sikh temple with an improvised explosive device (a so-called 'IED') in the German city of Essen. Three people are injured and the building is seriously damaged. The perpetrators are working with a third person, who should have carried out another attack shortly after the attack on the Sikh temple. However, all three were arrested and sentenced to prison terms in March 2017.
Orlando, 06/12/2016
A man kills 50 people in gay bar Pulse in the American city of Orlando, 53 others are injured. After the shooting, the perpetrator holds a number of people hostage. He is eventually shot dead in a shootout with the police.
Magnanville, 6/13/2016
In the French commune of Magnanville, a man stabs his neighbor, who works as a police commander, in front of his house. He then takes the woman (also a police officer) and the son hostage. The assailant is shot dead in a shootout with the police. The woman also dies.
Nice, 07-14-2016
During the celebration of the French national holiday quatorze juillet, a man on the boulevard of Nice drives a rented truck into the public who was watching a fireworks show. 84 people were killed and more than 200 injured. The assailant is shot dead by the police.
Wurzberg, 07-18-2016
A man attacks passengers with a knife and ax on a train near Würzberg, Bavaria, Germany. Five people are injured. The assailant is shot dead by the police.
Ansbach, 24-07-2016
A man commits a suicide attack in the center of Ansbach, Germany. He detonates a bomb that he carries with him in a backpack. Twelve people are injured, the perpetrator himself does not survive the bomb attack.
Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray, 07/26/2016
Two men break into a church in the French commune of Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray and take the priest, three nuns and two visitors hostage. The men kill the priest and another present is injured. One of the nuns escapes and alerts the police. He shoots the hostage takers dead as they walk out of the church with the other hostages.
Charleroi, 06-08-2016
A man attacks police officers with a machete in the police station in the Belgian industrial city of Charleroi. Two female officers are injured. A third policeman shoots the perpetrator, who later dies in hospital from his injuries.
Paris, 03/09/2016
In the French capital Paris, three women with a car (filled with gas bottles and jerry cans with petrol) want to attack Notre Dame. The car does not catch fire and the attack fails. The perpetrators then fled and were arrested a few days later. During the arrest, one of the perpetrators stabs a police officer.
Osny, 04-09-2016
In a prison in the French municipality of Osny, a man stabs a guard. The victim is seriously injured.
Sydney, 10-09-2016
A man attacks a passer-by with a knife on the street in the Australian city of Sydney. When he is arrested, he then also attacks the police officers.
New Jersey/New York City, 09/17/2016
A man commits a failed attack in New Jersey by setting off a pipe bomb along the course of a naval race for naval personnel. There are no casualties in this case. That same evening, the perpetrator commits an attack with an explosive in a nightlife area of New York. About 29 people were injured by flying glass. Another explosive device is then found nearby that can be defused by the police. The perpetrator is arrested the next morning in New Jersey.
St Cloud, 09/17/2016
In the city of St. Cloud in the US state of Minnesota, a man stabs ten people in the Crossroads shopping center. Only the injured are injured, the perpetrator is shot dead by a police officer who happens to be present in the shopping center outside of duty.
Brussels, 05-10-2016
A man attacks two police officers with a knife in the Belgian capital Brussels. They are stabbed in the neck during the attack, but do not sustain life-threatening injuries. The perpetrator is arrested.
Ludwigshafen, 11/26/2016
A boy tries to attack the Christmas market in Ludwigshafen, Germany with a nail bomb. The attack failed because the bomb's ignition failed. The boy leaves a backpack (with the bomb in it) a few days later at the town hall of Ludwigshafen. The backpack is then found by a passerby.
Columbus, 11/28/2016
On the campus of Ohio State University in the American city of Columbus, a man drives a car into people, after which he injures eleven people with a butcher knife. The assailant is then shot dead by the police.
Melbourne, 11-12-2016
Three men set fire to the Iman Ali Islamic Center, a Shiite mosque in Melbourne, Australia. The mosque is destroyed by the fire. Two perpetrators were arrested shortly after the attack, with the third being arrested in August 2017. After the arrest of the third suspect, the three were charged with terrorism.
Berlin, 19-12-2016
A man drives a stolen truck into visitors to a crowded Christmas market in the German capital of Berlin. Twelve people were killed and about fifty injured. After the attack, the perpetrator fled. He was shot dead on December 23 in a suburb of the Italian city of Milan.
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@marjan.f7441 Hatun does not sow hatred. She quotes what is written in the Quran. Paul Williams of Blogging Theology is also a master at mocking atheists and Christianity.
Not to mention Zakir Naik the hate preacher.
Notorious fugitive and hate preacher Zakir Naik, who is responsible for a number of jihadist attacks in the world, including the 2016 terrorist attacks in Dhaka’s Holey Artisan Bakery has recently claimed that Christian evangelist Mother Teresa is burning in hellfire for not being a Muslim.
On being asked whether ‘righteous’ and ‘good’ non-Muslims such as Mother Teresa would still go to Hell, he replied, “There are four ways of going to Jannah (paradise). By the token of time, a man is in a state of loss except those who have Faith, those who are righteous, those who do Dawah and those who exhort people to do patience and perseverance. Minimum four criteria are required to go to Jannah”.
Zakir Naik on Jesus Christ
The hate preacher alleged that all those who consider Jesus Christ (the son of Mary) as ‘God (Allah)’, He shall make paradise ‘haram’ (prohibited) for him. “Fire (Hell) shall his dwelling place be and he shall have no help hereafter,” Zakir Naik cited the Islamic religious text. He thereby concluded that by virtue of Mother Teresa believing Jesus Christ as God and thus put Him at par with ‘Allah’. “So, according to Jesus Christ, Quran and the Bible, if anybody does Shirk, be it Mother Teresa or anyone else, they shall not enter Jannah,” he concluded.
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@marjan.f7441 In fact, there are very few differences of opinion about the basic message of the Bible. And many contradictions can be resolved by carefully reading what it actually says.
2 Sam. 24) Chapter 24 of the book of Samuel tells almost literally the same story as I Chronicles 21. But the first says: “The wrath of the Lord was again kindled against Israel; He set David against them, and said, Go, number Israel and Judah. In Chronicles, on the other hand, it says: “Satan turned against Israel and incited David to number Israel.
Contradictory you would say; in one book is ascribed to God, what Satan does in the other.
There are so many more examples of so-called contradictions in the Bible. Let's take a look at 1 Sam some more. When you read the verses from the book of Samuel (16:18-25) listed alongside (17:55-58) it would seem that in one part Saul David and his father did, and in the other part as if he would not have known them.
Matthew 21:2 speaks of a donkey and a colt being commanded by Jesus for His entry. But in Luke 19:30 there is only mention of a foal. Was it two animals or was it just one? Matthew writes that the (Motth. 27:44) robbers, who were crucified with Jesus, reviled Him. While Luke writes that only one (Luke 23:39) of the robber blasphemed Jesus.
One last example. There is an apparent, major contradiction between the texts listed here. Rom. 4:5: But the one (Rom. 4:5) that worketh not; but his faith is in him that justifies the wicked, his account is counted (James 2:24) for righteousness... (James 2:24):
“You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. †
Both writers point to Abraham. Isn't it obvious that they draw conclusions exactly opposite to each other?
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@adnancoovadia4282 First, I'm surprised you insult your own prophet to say He was sinful.
You are typically a Muslim to take the verse about the woman (who you think is called a dog by Jesus) out of context.
Jesus comes to the area of Tire and Sidon. Suddenly he hears a woman cry, “Have pity on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is terribly tormented by a demon.” The Bible says that Jesus does not give her a glance. He doesn't respond to her call and just keeps walking. This is not the attitude we are used to from Jesus. His disciples come to him and say, "Send her away, or she will keep yelling after us." Basically they mean, “Lord, are you going to do anything about this? If not, she'll just get on our nerves and we'd better send her away.” At that point, Jesus tries to explain to the woman why he can't do anything for her, saying, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the people of Israel." So apparently there is something wrong with this woman's ancestry (she was a Canaanese), which prevents Jesus from granting her request. Yet she prostrates herself before him and says, "Lord, help me!" Then Jesus says, "It is not right to take the children's bread and feed it to the dogs." With this statement of Jesus we have reached the point where most people would give up. We would say, “Do you compare me to a dog? Well, keep your healing with you then!" Yet the Canaanite woman is not deterred and says, "Certainly, Lord, but don't the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master's table?" At that moment, it seems, Jesus loses his temper, and says: “You have great faith! What you desire will come to pass.”
Jesus was focused on the cross during his mission. He knew: if I heal this Canaanite woman, there will be another sick person and another. God's plan of salvation would then have been in jeopardy. With this in mind, he didn't give her a glance and remained focused on what he had to do. He said, "It is not right to take the children's bread and feed it to the dogs." I believe he meant to say, "It's not right to take God's rescue plan and throw it away for the devil." His intention was perfect. He was focused on the cross. Despite Jesus' reaction, the Canaanite woman persists: "But don't the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master's table?" Jesus answers her: “You have great faith! What you desire will come to pass.” And from that moment on, her daughter was cured.
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@adnancoovadia4282 If we now look at the terrible things that happened in the land of Canaan when the nation of Israel took possession of this land, we must go back in history to God's promise to Abraham in Genesis 15:13-16, where the Lord God Abraham tells that his people will remain in bondage in the land of Egypt for four hundred years, but then will be led out by Him. The time of the return to the land of Canaan is marked by the Lord in a special way: “But the fourth generation shall return hither: for the measure of the iniquities of the Amorites is not yet full” (:16). The last part of this verse is especially important in answering the above question. By the time Joshua arrived with the people of Israel on the east side of the Jordan, the sinful walk of the nations living in Canaan was mature, judgment ripe. There is a time when God must judge sin. It could no longer be postponed. Just as with Noah, where we read that the wickedness of the people was great, that the delay of judgment was no longer possible, and as with Sodom and Gomorrah, where the measure of sin was reached, so that the cities with all their inhabitants, except Lot and his two daughters, were utterly destroyed.
In Psalm 106:34-39 we also read about the wickedness of the nations who then dwelt in the land of Canaan, and in Numbers 35:33 we read that the land was under a bloodguilt and that the land could only be purified and reconciled by the blood of those guilty of this bloodguilt.
The Lord God executed His judgment on these sinful nations through His people Israel. We read this story in the book of Joshua. Later, the Lord uses the Assyrians and Babylonians to judge the northern empire, Israel (c. 722 B.C.) and the southern empire, Judah (c. 575 B.C.), respectively, and to kill many and leave the rest in captivity to feed.
God is not mocked and the Bible teaches that it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Hebrews 10:30-31)!
It is very special to see that even in the judgment of Jericho God's love became visible, in the midst of its sinful population, saving Rahab the harlot!
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@adnancoovadia4282
One of the main arguments put forward by Muslims to defend Islam is that there is only one Quran, which has been perfectly preserved over the centuries. However, historical research shows that the reality is very different. Both in Islamic history and today there have always been discussions about what should be in the Qur'an. Moreover, there have always been different versions of the Quran. Today there are more than 30 versions worldwide (click here for more details).
However, Islamic scholars have never admitted or discussed this publicly. In today's world, however, it is almost impossible to keep facts and scientific findings under wraps. There is always someone who spreads it over the internet.
This puts Islamic scholars in a difficult position. Holding on to the old story gets harder and harder as more evidence comes in. For example, there is no denying the fact that there are more than 30 versions of the Quran. After all, you can just buy and show them all.
Yasir Qadhi (1975) is one of the foremost Islamic scholars worldwide. He holds a PhD in Islamic Studies from Yale University in the US and is Dean at the Al-Maghrib Institute in Houston, Texas. During an interview with Muslim apologist Mohammed Hijab on June 8, 2020, he said publicly about the preservation of the Quran: “The standard narrative has holes in it”. In other words, there are "gaps" in the standard account that the Quran has been perfectly preserved.
This statement caused a lot of commotion in the Islamic world. Yasir Qadhi later tried to put his statement into perspective, and Mohammed Hijab removed the interview from his YouTube page, but the damage was already done. That such a prominent Islamic scholar should admit this is extremely shocking and has led to more Muslims doubting Islam.
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@redx11x I can say the same about Quran 57 3. Whoever says that refers to Allah. Anyway, explanation about Isaiah.
I am the First and I am the Last; besides Me there is no God: The LORD has already taken this unique title in Isaiah 41:4, in the same context of proclaiming His glory against the feeble false gods. An idol can never be the First, because an idol needs someone to make him. An idol can never be the Last because they wear out and break. But the Lord GOD of Israel is both the First and the Last; He is completely unique, and besides Him there is no God.
As first he does not derive his being from any other, but is self-existing; as last he remains supreme at the End.
Jesus takes the same title of the First and the Last in Revelation 1:17 and 22:13. If the LORD is the First and the Last according to Isaiah 44:6, and if Jesus is the First and the Last according to Revelation 1:17 and 22:13, since there cannot be two firsts or two lasts, Jesus is the LORD God.
In this passage Isaiah describes how people make their own god’s. This exposure of idolatry is the most powerful in the Bible. How absurd to make a god from the same tree that gives firewood. It shows how those who make idols are just like them: blind and ignorant and nothing.
The graven image is called vanity which means nothingness (v. 9). The worthless things refer to the extreme adornment of idols with gold, silver and precious stone. Isaiah also suggests that the workmen, as well as the worshipers, are very foolish and should be ashamed (vv. 10-11). God made people in His own image and now they are making gods in their image. These helpless idols leave people without help or hope. The fact that craftsmen are nothing but men epitomizes the foolishness of idol-worship (vv. 12-13). It is utter foolishness when part of the tree becomes a god, and the rest of the tree becomes fuel for the fire (vv. 14-17).
Those who worship idols are stupid and blind (vv. 18-19). When a man cuts down the trees of the forrest and takes part of them to build a fire to warm himself and takes another part to make a god is overwhelming and illogical stupidity to Isaiah. He says that to worship wood is to fed on ashes and trusting in something that is totally worthless (v. 20).
The utter stupidity of idolatry and a pagan religion is exposed here to the most scathing attack in the entire Bible. The fact that a person would worship this so-called god is bad enough but that he prayeth unto it and expects it to deliver him is even more ridiculous. Do we make our own gods today of money, fame or power. If so, we only deceive ourselves and can not expect to be blessed.
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@youwhat491 And you just don't stop, keep pushing and pushing, typical Muslim. Jesus never said that He is a slave of Allah. Lies of the Quran. The Bible is full of verses that show that Jesus is God.
You go now and think well about the questions that I think I (and many other Muslims) have already asked but I have never received an answer.
According to Muslims, Allah saved Isa from the cross. Allah watches Muhammad die when he was poisoned. why?
According to Muslims, Isa is now in paradise while Mohammed is in his grave, why?
Isa is referenced 25 times in the Quran, Mohammed 4 times, why?
Isa sinless in the Quran, Muhammad sinful, why?
Finally, can a Muslim prove that Isa of the Qur'an and Jesus Christ of the Bible are the same?
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@Nixo77
Let's take a closer look at some of Muhammad's many notable statements and claims, and see what this says about his claim to be a prophet.
Fever is caused by the heat of hell. According to Muhammad, the heat of hell is the cause of fever, and must therefore be treated with water (Saheeh al-Bukhari 7:71:621).
Seasons are determined by hell. According to Mohammed, the seasons and the associated differences in temperature are caused by hell. Hell has a hot and a cold part. One day, Hell notices that both parts are consuming each other, and asks Allah for help (Saheeh al-Bukhari 4:54:482). Allah then helps Hell by allowing the cold part to be active ('breathing') in the winter and the hot part in the summer.
This is the reason why we have seasons on earth, and according to Islam this has nothing to do with the position of the earth in relation to the sun, as we learned at school.
Embryos develop in phases of 40 days. According to the Quran (Sura 22:5), embryos go through the following phases: sperm/sperm, then coagulated blood, and finally a lump of flesh. Each of these phases lasts 40 days according to Muhammad (Saheeh al-Bukhari 4:54:430). After these 120 days have passed, a fetus has been formed. An important detail is that during the final phase an angel comes who determines the gender on behalf of Allah (Saheeh al-Bukhari 8:77:594).
In reality, the development of an embryo is very different. An embryo is already a fetus after 9 weeks, so after 63 days instead of 120. After 56 days, all organs have already been developed and there is already a recognizable human being. According to the Quran, the embryo is still in the second phase as clotted blood.
Moreover, the sex of the baby is determined immediately at conception, and not after 80 days as Islam claims. So it is clear that modern science is anything but supportive of Islam.
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@marjan.f7441 So the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, How long do You keep us in doubt? Literally: do you take our souls away? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.
Jesus answered them, I have told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father's name, they testify of Me.
But you do not believe, for you are not of My sheep, as I have told you.
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
And I give them eternal life; And they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand.
My Father who gave them to Me is greater than all, and none can snatch them out of My Father's hand.
I and the Father are One.
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Jesus answered them, I have shewed you many good works from My Father. For which of these works do you stone Me?
The Jews answered him, We stone thee not for a good work, but because of blasphemy, because thou, being a man, make thyself God.
"And I give them eternal life." John 10:28-29
Do you have eternal life or can you give eternal life? No, only Jesus has eternal life and can give eternal life. Therefore He is God.
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@marjan.f7441 First, if we interpret this verse as meaning that God brought evil into existence, it goes against the theology of evil taught elsewhere in Scripture and everything we know about God (e.g., God is good and there is no darkness in him—1 John 1:15). It would render the Bible incoherent. Although non-Christians might level such a charge, this post is not intended to address the coherence question since it is directed to believers who already accept the inspiration and coherence of Scripture.
Second, the Hebrew word translated as “evil” in the above King James translation is translated as “calamity” (NASB, ESV) or “disaster” (NIV) in other major translations. Even the updated New King James translation renders it as “calamity.” That’s because, like any word, it can have multiple meanings, and it’s usually the context that determines which meaning was intended by the author. That brings us to the final point.
Third, the context of this passage (and the message of the prophets of the Old Testament in general) is about blessing those who are faithful and punishing those who disobey (Isa. 45:9, 24). It’s within this principle that God declares that he creates “well-being” and “calamity.” He’s responsible for bringing prosperity to those who are faithful and calamity to those who rebel. That’s even consistent with his treatment of his own people—Israel. He rewards them when they obey and punishes them (e.g., slavery, exile, etc.) when they disobey. In that sense, yes, it is God who creates calamity.
God didn’t bring evil into existence. It’s the result of sin and our fallen world. God, however, does bring instances of calamity on people. In fact, it’s his prerogative to do so. Even in these cases, though, it is good for him to render judgment on guilty people. Though we might subjectively not like the calamity we face, it is objectively good to punish those who do wrong. Present-day justice systems operate in a similar fashion. Prison is subjectively a bad experience for prisoners, but it is an objectively good thing for justice to be rendered. The same is true for God. Isaiah 45:7 was a reminder that God blessed those who honored him and brought calamity upon those who disobeyed.
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@JesusisaMuslim
Many people referred to Jesus during His life on earth as a prophet, including the woman caught in adultery (John 4:19) and others (Matthew 21:11; Luke 7:16).
Once, at least, Jesus compared Himself to a prophet: "And Jesus said to them, 'A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.' And he could do no mighty work there, except that he laid his hands on a few sick people and healed them. And he marveled because of their unbelief …" (Mark 6:4–6).
Prophets also, by the power of God, tell the future. Jesus did this, telling His disciples He would be killed and then rise from the dead on the third day (Matthew 16:21). This prophecy was fulfilled. He said He would send the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:8), which we see happen in Acts 2. Jesus also gave prophecies about the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem, His return, and other end-times events (Matthew 24).
Prophets also performed miracles. Moses did many miracles, including parting the Red Sea (Exodus 14:21–22). Elijah called fire from heaven—a great account from 1 Kings 18:26–38. And, of course, Jesus performed miracle after miracle. Read the Gospels. Here's a few references: Matthew 8:14–17; Mark 1:40–45; Luke 8:42–48; and John 6:16–21.
Many people today identify Jesus as a prophet, and He did fill the role of a prophet. But unfortunately many people confine Him to that role, such as Muslims who esteem Jesus as a great prophet but not as God or the only Savior. Jesus is so much more than a prophet. He is God (John 10:30; Philippians 2:5–11; Colossians 1:15–20). He is the Messiah (Jesus fulfilled scores of Old Testament prophesies about the Messiah). He is the propitiation for our sin (Hebrews 2:17). Jesus is a prophet and fulfilled the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:18 (see Acts 3:22; 7:37). But He is more than just a prophet. He is the Word of God (John 1:1) and the only one who saves (John 14:6; Acts 4:12).
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@syedhasan5861
Is it fair that women in Afghanistan have to wear a burqa again? That girls are no longer allowed to go to school and that the right to education is taken away?
Women are legally disadvantaged by Islamic law in several in several domains of life. Particularly, women are disadvantaged in matters of sexual, domestic, legal, financial, sartorial, and physical autonomy. According to Islamic legal theory, while not all of Islamic law necessarily has a perceptibly rational basis, legal restrictions on women may be due to their supposed intellectual deficiency, which was pronounced by Muhammad according to Sahih Bukhari.
Genital Mutilation (FGM)
Female genital mutilation (FGM) is obligatory in the Shafi'i madhab[6] and encouraged by the remaining three madhabs, namely the Hanafi, Hanbali, and Maliki. Salafi scholars also encourage the practice. In universally conceiving of FGM as being either an obligatory or favorable practice, the schools of Islamic law agree that prohibiting FGM altogether would not be acceptable, as this would be tantamount to contravening God's laws and preferences. Views on the specific type of FGM required or permitted vary within and between the madhhabs. Some prominent modern Islamic scholars have dissented from the favorable consensus of the Islamic tradition and ruled it to be unlawful.
Is this fair ☝️
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@syedhasan5861 Who is righteous here?👇
Muhammad said: “Allah hates those who don’t accept Islam.” (Qur’an 30:45, 3:32, 22:38)
Jesus said: God loves the whole world and desires salvation for all. (John 3:16)
Muhammad said: “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.” (Ibn Ishaq 992)
Jesus said: “Love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 5:14)
Muhammad said: “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” (Muslim 1:33)
Jesus said: “I have come to seek and save those who are lost.” (Luke 19:10)
Muhammad stoned women for adultery. (Muslim 4206)
Jesus saved a woman from being stoned for adultery. (John 8:7)
Muhammad permitted Muslim stealing from unbelievers. (Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)
Jesus said: “You shall not steal.” (Matthew 19:18)
Muhammad permitted Muslims to lie. (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
Jesus said: “You shall not (lie) bear false witness.” (Matthew 19:18)
Muhammad owned and traded slaves. (Sahih Muslim 3901)
Jesus never owned or traded any slaves.
Muhammad and his followers beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys. (Sahih Muslim 4390)
Jesus and his followers beheaded no one.
Muhammad ordered the murder of those who insulted him. (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)
Jesus preached forgiveness. (Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)
Muhammad said: Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one’s position in Paradise by a hundred fold. (Muslim 4645)
Jesus said: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God” (Matthew 5:9)
Muhammad married 13 wives and kept many sex slaves. (Bukhari 5:268, Qur’an 33:50)
Jesus never married.
Muhammad ordered the murder of women. (Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)
Jesus never harmed any woman.
Muhammad killed captives taken in battle. (Ibn Ishaq 451)
Jesus never took captives or killed anyone.
Muhammad encouraged his men to rape their female slaves. (Abu Dawood 2150, Qur’an 4:24)
Jesus never enslaved women or encouraged rape.
Muhammad tortured people. (Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)
Jesus suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.
Muhammad said: “Fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah” (Qur’an 8:39)
Jesus said: “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you” (Matthew 5:44)
Muhammad praised the brutal murder of a half-blind man (al-Tabari 1440)
Jesus healed blind men (Mark 8:28, etc)
Muhammad ordered a slave to build the pulpit from which he preached Islam. (Bukhari 47:743)
Jesus washed his disciples feet to teach humility and servanthood. (John 13:5)
When Muhammad first heard from the angel, he was terrified, ran away fearing it was a demon and he even wanted to commit suicide.
When Jesus heard from God, he began his ministry with boldness.
God never spoke directly to Muhammad, but rather Muhammad received his calling from from an angel in the darkness of a cave.
God spoke directly to Jesus, in the daylight and with witnesses around.
Muhammad succumbed to magic and witchcraft.
Jesus commanded evil spirits and demons to flee from him.
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@youwhat491 The Quran has absurd logic.
The sun revolves around the earth, just like the moon. It is stated in several places in the Qur'an that the sun follows its course in the same way as the moon (Sura 14:33, 21:33). The sun also goes 'to its resting place' at the end of the day. Furthermore, “it is not given to the sun to reach the moon, neither can the night catch up with the day.” Moreover, “they all move in a circle” (Sura 36:37-40).
Of course it is not surprising that in the 7th century people thought that the earth revolves around the sun. However, it is problematic if the Qur'an claims this, when you consider the Qur'an as a divine book containing scientific truths.
Seasons are determined by hell. According to Mohammed, the seasons and associated differences in temperature are caused by hell. Hell has a hot and a cold part. One day, Hell notices that both parts are consuming each other, and asks for help from Allah (Saheeh al-Bukhari 4:54:482). Allah then helps Hell by making the cold part active ('breathing') in the winter and the hot part in the summer.
This is the reason why we have seasons on earth, and according to Islam this has nothing to do with the position of the earth in relation to the sun, as we learned in school.
Fever is caused by the heat of hell. According to Muhammad, the heat of hell is the cause of fever, and therefore must be treated with water (Saheeh al-Bukhari 7:71:621).
Water cannot be polluted by anything. According to the hadith, a number of people inform Mohammed about a water source containing dead dogs, menstrual cloths and excrement. However, the prophet replies that “water is pure, and cannot be defiled by anything” (Sunan Abi Dawud 1:67). We see the same when some of Muhammad's followers do not want to take water from a well with a dead donkey in it. Again, the prophet assures that "water is not defiled by anything" (Sunan Ibn Majah 1:1:520). The followers then drink from this water, and also give it to their animals. So the message is clear: water is always clean, so you can use any water to drink, wash, etc.
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Jesus prayed to Allah
Again you are taking a verse of the bible out of context. Just give up, it's no use.
Peter spoke of Christ's humanity through His work on the Cross... for only true humanity can die. Only a MAN can pay the price for mans' sin. Only a Kinsman-Redeemer can redeem mankind. Jesus of Nazareth was indeed a man, but He was attested and authenticated by God. He was the anointed of God because He was given the power to perform many mighty miracles.
His signs, His wonders, His message, and His ministry, were foretold by prophets of old, and His heavenly mission and Messianic claims were authenticated through His words and actions, and Peter reminded the crowd of these things, "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, was a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs, which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know."
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@alonzoharris6730 Tell me what it says Bible expert.
Πιστεύομεν εἰς ἕνα Θεόν, Πατέρα, Παντοκράτορα, ποιητὴν οὐρανοῦ καὶ γῆς, ὁρατῶν τε πάντων καὶ ἀοράτων.
Καὶ εἰς ἕνα Κύριον Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν, τὸν Υἱὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ τὸν μονογενῆ, τὸν ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς γεννηθέντα πρὸ πάντων τῶν αἰώνων.
Φῶς ἐκ φωτός, Θεὸν ἀληθινὸν ἐκ Θεοῦ ἀληθινοῦ, γεννηθέντα οὐ ποιηθέντα, ὁμοούσιον τῷ Πατρί, δι' οὗ τὰ πάντα ἐγένετο.
Τὸν δι' ἡμᾶς τοὺς ἀνθρώπους καὶ διὰ τὴν ἡμετέραν σωτηρίαν κατελθόντα ἐκ τῶν οὐρανῶν καὶ σαρκωθέντα ἐκ Πνεύματος Ἁγίου καὶ Μαρίας τῆς Παρθένου καὶ ἐνανθρωπήσαντα.
Σταυρωθέντα τε ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου, καὶ παθόντα καὶ ταφέντα.
Καὶ ἀναστάντα τῇ τρίτῃ ἡμέρα κατὰ τὰς Γραφάς.
Καὶ ἀνελθόντα εἰς τοὺς οὐρανοὺς καὶ καθεζόμενον ἐκ δεξιῶν τοῦ Πατρός.
Καὶ πάλιν ἐρχόμενον μετὰ δόξης κρῖναι ζῶντας καὶ νεκρούς, οὗ τῆς βασιλείας οὐκ ἔσται τέλος.
Καὶ εἰς τὸ Πνεῦμα τὸ Ἅγιον, τὸ κύριον, τὸ ζωοποιόν, τὸ ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς ἐκπορευόμενον, τὸ σὺν Πατρὶ καὶ Υἱῷ συμπροσκυνούμενον καὶ συνδοξαζόμενον, τὸ λαλῆσαν διὰ τῶν προφητῶν.
Εἰς μίαν, Ἁγίαν, Καθολικὴν καὶ Ἀποστολικὴν Ἐκκλησίαν.
Ὁμολογοῦμεν ἓν βάπτισμα εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν.
Προσδοκοῦμεν ἀνάστασιν νεκρῶν.
Καὶ ζωὴν τοῦ μέλλοντος αἰῶνος.
Ἀμήν.
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@fahiymmuhammad785 Jesus Christ is central to Christianity, which is why the religion takes its name from him.
Islam is not a religion.
Islam is an all-encompassing ideology, which governs every aspect of human existence. It is a political, legal, military, cultural and social system. In Islam there is no separation of powers, no equality between men and women and between Muslims and non-Muslims. Islam discriminates against women, non-Muslims and homosexuals, is anti-Semitic, has no freedom of expression, imposes coercive rules on all acts of human existence and punishes disengagement with the death penalty. Islam has honor killings and female genital mutilation.
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@marjan.f7441 Do you dare to talk about racism? Allah and Mohammed are the worst racists.
Polytheists (polytheists) are filthy and unclean. According to Sura 9:28, polytheists are unclean and filthy (نجس, nadjas). This concerns anyone who believes in more than one god, including the Christians, who believe in 3 gods according to Islam. Infidels are the worst of all creatures. According to Sura 98:6, Jews, Christians, and all other unbelievers will “abide in the fires of hell forever.” They are the “worst of all creatures.” So they are worse than any other imaginable creature on Earth! Similarly, Sura 7:179 states that disbelievers are “like unto irrational beasts” and err even more than these irrational beasts. Allah, according to this Surah, created them for hell. On the other hand, Muslims are “the best of all creatures” (Sura 98:7) and, moreover, “the best society that has been brought forth from men” (Sura 3:110). The contrast between Muslims and unbelievers could not be greater. Jews and Christians cannot be friends with Muslims. True believing Muslims should not take Jews and Christians as friends or protectors (Sura 5:51).
Allah does not like kaafirs. This is perhaps the most fundamental doctrine in Islam towards unbelievers, that Allah does not like kaafirs (disbelievers) (Sura 3:32, 30:45). Kaafir (كافر) is a swear word for unbelievers, a stamp that is stamped on you as an unbeliever. And if Allah Himself doesn't like unbelievers, why should Muslims?
Christians believe in 3 gods, and are therefore perverse unbelievers. According to the Quran, Christians believe in 3 gods: God (the Father), Jesus (the Son) and Mary (the mother of Jesus (Sura 5:116), but in reality there is no Christian who believes this, and this is in the history has never been part of Christian doctrine. Christians actually believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as one God. However, the Quran condemns Christians for this, calling them infidel and perverse (Sura 9: 30)
Jews will be fought and killed before the end of time. In the hadith (Saheeh Muslim 41:6985)
Jews are the worst enemies of Muslims. According to the Qur'an, Jews are those who are "most inimical to the believers" (Sura 5:82).
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arezika1 The Quran is not written in an Arabic dialect from the Mecca area. The Arabic of the Qur'an is not written in a specific dialect of Arabia (Ibn Warraq, the origins of the Qur'an, 1998), nor is it written in the dialect of the Quraish from Mecca as Islamic tradition states.
The dialect in which the Qur'an is written comes from the south of the Levant, or the area where Jordan is today (Mark Durie, On the Origin of Qur'anic Arabic, 2018). This is apparent from the use of the 'ta marbuta' (ة), the alif 'maksura' (ى) and the article 'al' (ال).
These three elements are found only in the southern Levant, where the Nabataeans previously spoke some form of Aramaic, and not in Arabia. These elements later came from Aramaic into the Arabic of that region. So it turns out that the Arabic in which the Quran is written is the Arabic of the southern Levant. This contradicts the Islamic tradition that the Quran originated in the region around Mecca.
There is no evidence that the Quran of 'Uthmaan has been preserved unchanged until now.
There are 6 manuscripts that are considered to be the oldest surviving, namely those from Cairo, Samarkand, Paris, Istanbul, London and Sana'a. Ishanoglu and Altikulac researched this for 5 years and published their results in 2009.
They found that of these 6 manuscripts, none are from the time of 'Uthmaan. The oldest manuscript is that of Paris and is from the early 8th century. Moreover, all these manuscripts are incomplete and differ in thousands of points from the Qur'an today. Corrections have also often been made, and some manuscripts had an underlayer with an older text. Incidentally, not even a single complete Quran has been found up to and including the 10th century.
There is therefore no comparison material whatsoever, and Muslims can at best claim that there is no longer a Qur'an from 'Uthman's time. But with that there is no proof whatsoever that the current Qur'an is the same as that of 'Uthmaan.
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arezika1 There are indications that the Qur'an has been changed from the beginning. In the hadith (Sunan Ibn Majah 3:9:1944) Aisha relates that 'the Qur'anic verse about stoning and breastfeeding was under her pillow.' However, when Muhammad died and they were doing it, 'a sheep came and ate the verse.' In today's Qur'an there is no verse about breastfeeding, but according to Aisha there has been.
The well-known commentator Al-Suyuti (died 1505) mentions that verses of the Qur'an have been lost. For example, he cites 'Umar bin al-Khattaab who is said to have said that 'much of the Qur'an has been lost' (As-Suyuti, Itqan, vol. 3, p. 72). He also refers to Ibn Ka'b, who at one point asks one of the Muslims how many verses surah al-ahzaab contains. The answer is 73, although according to Ibn Ka'b there were originally about 286 verses.
This indicates that the verses already before the final composition of the Qur'an have been lost, so there can be no question that the Qur'an has been completely preserved from the beginning.
From the first centuries of Islam, there have been several readings/versions of the Quran. From the year 736, about 100 years after the death of Muhammad in 632, several Qurans appear. These include Ibn Kathir, Nafi, and Al-Kisai. These are all different readings of the Quran. In fact, the case was that the Arabic script was limited at the time, which presented the following problems:
1) Arabic was written without dots. This can lead to you sometimes having multiple letters that are indistinguishable from each other! For example, the following letters are exactly the same without dots: ح (h), خ (g), ج (dj).
2) Arabic was written without signs for short vowels. These are the fatha (a), the damma (u), and the kasra (i). There were also no signs for double consonants (shadda) and a stop at the end of a letter (sukun).
It is easy to imagine that this leads to an enormous variation in possible pronunciations for a word!
In the 10th century, Ibn Mujahid tried to address this problem by choosing 7 readings. However, each of these were again passed on by two people. Each of them had their own reading, so in the end there were still 14 versions.
This did not solve the problem either, and the number of versions eventually ran into the hundreds. Ibn Al-Jazari (1350-1429) made his own selection and reduced the number to 30. These 30 versions consisted of 10 official versions, of which two students came with their own lecture for each version. There are at least 93,000 differences in letters, words, and reading between these versions, according to research by Jay Smith (see Pfander Films) in 2020.
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arezika1 Today there are more than 30 different Qurans. The problem of the different readings of the Qur'an has never been solved. Today there are still more than 30 different Qurans! However, in 1924 Hafs' reading was canonized by the authoritative University of Cairo, so designated as the only official version of the Qur'an. The Hafs is now the most widely used version and is used by about 95% of all Muslims. However, other versions have not disappeared and are therefore still in circulation.
The Warsh (3%) is the second most used version and is mainly used in North Africa. However, there are already more than 5000 differences between the Hafs and the Warsh!
An example of this is Sura 3:146: in the Hafs it says قَتَلَ (qatala, 'killed') and in the Warsh it says قُتِلَ (qutila, 'were killed'). Did the prophets in this verse kill or were they killed? Both versions contradict each other.
This makes it clear that we cannot speak of one Qur'an, but of several. In addition, these different versions contain thousands of differences.
These criticisms show that it is unlikely that the Islamic tradition regarding the origin of the Quran and the preservation of the text is reliable. Ibn Warraq (The origins of the Quran, 1998) expresses his surprise at the fact that some historians, on the one hand, recognize the problems of the Islamic tradition, but on the other hand accept this same tradition as true. Fortunately, thanks in particular to new publications about the Qur'an, more and more people are gaining insight into the true background of the Qur'an.
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arezika1
Listen, I'm not making this up. My writing about "the holes in the Quran" I got from Yasir Qadhi. He is an American preacher, theologian, and imam. Since 2001, he has served as Dean of Academic Affairs at the Al-Maghrib Institute, an international Islamic educational institution with a center in Houston, Texas.
Apart from the proof for the correctness of the Bible (manuscript proof) and the fact that the Bible is a historical document (archaeological proof), the most important proof is the inspiration of the Bible. The real determining factor that the Bible contains the absolute, inspired truth is found in the supernatural evidence the Bible provides, such as prophecies. God used prophets to proclaim and write His Word, and God used miracles such as fulfilled prophecies to confirm His messengers.
There are so many prophecies about Christ (over 270!) that it would take us quite a few pages to list them all. In many of those prophecies, Jesus Himself could not have manipulated anything, such as His birthplace or the moment of His birth. Furthermore, the odds of one person accidentally fulfilling even 16 of these prophecies is 1 in 10^45. That's an incredibly small chance! By comparison, there are less than 10^82 atoms in the entire universe! And Jesus, who established the Bible as the Word of God, proved His trustworthiness and Divinity through His resurrection (a historical fact that cannot be easily ignored).
Now the Quran. The author of this book, Muhammad, performed no miracles to confirm his message (even when his followers asked him to - Sura 17:91-95; 29:47-51). It is only in a much later tradition (the Hadith) that some supposed miracles appear, and they are all rather fantastic (e.g. Mohammed is said to have cut the moon in half). There is no reliable testimony to confirm them. Furthermore, the Qur'an makes clear historical errors. Muslims believe that the Bible is inspired, but contains some errors due to editorial activity (Sura 2:136, as well as Suras 13, 16, 17, 20, 21, 23, 25). The question they cannot satisfactorily answer is, "When was the integrity of the Bible disturbed?" When they say that this happened before 600 AD, it makes no sense that the Qur'an urges its believers to read the Bible. If they claim it was after 600 AD, their argument is even less tenable, for there is no doubt about the accuracy of the Biblical manuscripts since at least the 3rd century AD. The Quran still has an insurmountable problem. The book accuses Christians of believing things they really don't believe at all. For example, the Quran teaches that Christians believe that the Trinity is the Father, the Mother (Mary), and the Son (Sura 5:73-75, 116). The Quran also says that Christians believe that God had intercourse with Mary in order to bring forth a Son (Suras 2:116; 6:100-101; 10:68; 16:57; 19:35; 23:91; 37:149 -151; 43:16-19). If the Quran were really from God, then the book should at least be able to accurately reflect what Christians believe.
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@لاالهالاالله-ك6ك
Islam is a totalitarian, bigoted and violent political conquest disguised as a religion. It seeks the destruction of our democracy and the replacement of our legal system with Islamic law, Sharia. The goal of Islam is the establishment of an Islamic world empire. This goal is not only at odds with our culture, our norms and values, our rights and our freedoms, but also threatens them.
Moreover, Islam is an all-encompassing ideology, which determines every aspect of human existence. It is a political, legal, military, cultural and social system. In Islam there is no separation of powers, no equality between men and women and between Muslims and non-Muslims. Islam discriminates against women, non-Muslims and homosexuals, is anti-Semitic, has no freedom of expression, imposes coercive rules on all acts of human existence and punishes disengagement with the death penalty. Islam has honor killings and female genital mutilation.
There is no doubt about the aims of Islam. The word Islam comes from the Arabic root word «SLM» which means (complete) submission. Submission to Islam, Allah and His Prophet Mohammad. For example, Islam prescribes how Muslims should eat, wash and whom they should hate or love (Arabic: Al Wala Wal Bara). Jews, Christians and all non-Muslims are to be hated and are described in the Quran as monkeys and pigs (Suras 2:63–65, 5:59–60, 7:166), as filthy (9:28) and as people whom Muslims should not take as friends (5:51). Seventeen times a day, during their 5 daily prayers, Muslims must curse the Jews and mock the Christians (1:7). Jews are portrayed in this prayer as cursed and Christians as lost.
Peace-loving Quranic verses are often referred to by apologists of Islam. These verses, which contradict the jihadist verses, do exist, but they all date from the early days of Islam when Muhammad was still powerless and hoped to make Christians and Jews allies. When the Jews and Christians did not recognize Muhammad as the new prophet, the Quran began to threaten them and call on Muslims to go to war with them. Islam has solved the situation of the contradictory verses with the abrogation theory: later verses abrogate the previous verses.
I know more than enough about Islam. Don't fool me.
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@capricorn9186 Nice try.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. The verse is widely used to oppose ordination of women as clergy, and to oppose certain other positions of ministry and leadership for women in large segments of Christianity.
It is precisely within Christianity that woman receives her equal position with respect to man. Just compare the position of women within Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism with that within Christianity. In the atheistic, godless world, too, the equal position of women is denied and she falls into a sex object for men and she is not given any space by society to meet her deepest desires (motherhood, being a woman). Paul was very revolutionary with his statement in Galatians 3:27,28: “For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
The Bible is an eminently female-friendly book. This is immediately apparent in the first chapters of Genesis, where the equality of man and woman as both created in God's image and likeness is clearly evident. There are sounds throughout the Old Testament that express the principled equality of man and woman, such as when it comes to the resolute and enterprising woman in Proverbs 31, about the lovers in the Song of Songs or in the commandment that both father and to honor the mother (sometimes with the mother first! Lev. 19:3).
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@uthman2281
Or do you want to deny that Allah is hateful and racist.
Surah 2, the longest chapter, encourages terror and even racist hatred against non-Muslims. Cults must, of course, demonize the 'other'. To divide the world into 2 camps the Quran uses the terms; mushrikun, zalimun, fasiqun, mufsidun and musrifun; either criminal, unclean, hypocrites, evil, unjust, satanic and other names. The good people of this world are the followers of Muhammad. The bad people are the criminals, polytheists, the Jews, the Christians, the infidels and hypocrites. They have been categorized under various repulsive labels such as “stupid,” “blind,” and “greedy” that must be combated.
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@uthman2281
So you stand behind every statement and action of Mohammed? Then you are as evil as both of them.
So you also think it is quite normal that Mohammed fucked a young girl of 9 years old and that he also loved young boys?
Mohammadans love for boys.
Koran 52 24 : round about them will serve, to the boys (handsome) as pearls well-quarded.
Koran 56 17: round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.
Koran 76:19 : and rount about them they will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls.
al-adab al-mufrad book 48, hadith 1183/book 1:
It was narrated that Abu Hurayra said: "I never say al-Hasan without my eyes overflowing with tears. That is because the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, went out one day and he found me in the mosque my hand and I went with him. He did not speak to me until we reached Banu Qaynuqa's market." And he wrapped himself in his garment. Then he said, "Where is the little one? Call the little one to me." ' Hasan came running and jumped on his lap. Then he put his hand in his beard. Then the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, opened his mouth and put his tongue in his mouth. Then he said: O Allah, I love him, so love him and the one who loves him!"
LMAO
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Torah – “We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers,” (Sura 2:87).
Psalms – “We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma’il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms,” (4:163).
Gospel – “It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong),” (3:3).
Also, “And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah,” (5:46).
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We see that the Qur’an states that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel were all given by God. With this, we Christians heartily agree. But, the Muslims claim that the Bible is corrupted and full of contradictions. If that is so, then it would seem they do not believe the Qur’an since the Qur’an says that the Word of God cannot be altered:
“Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers,” (6:34).
“The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all,” (6:115).
“For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity,” (10:64).
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@marjan.f7441 Oh stop with your Mohammed. Do you want to compare Mohammed with Jesus. Hahaha.
Jesus Christ healed thousands of the sick from every conceivable ailment and cast out countless evil spirits. These miraculous healings were so impressive that even the sick and demoniac from surrounding towns were brought to Jesus, whereupon he healed them all. Healing the sick was a very outstanding quality of Jesus Christ. It was the fulfillment of a prophecy made about Jesus hundreds of years in advance, by the prophet Isaiah:
“He took upon himself our infirmities and bore our sicknesses.” (Isaiah 53:4)
Muhammad never healed a sick person and did not cast an evil spirit on anyone.
Jesus Christ raised several dead, including Jairus' daughter, Lazarus, and a widow's son. In this way he showed that God has power over death and life. This is one of the examples of resurrection from the dead, as recorded in the Gospel historiography by the physician Luke:
“As he approached the gate of the city, a dead man, the only son of a widow, was just being carried out. A large number of people accompanied her. When the Lord saw her, he was moved with pity and said to her, “Weep no more.” He approached, touched the bier – the bearers stood still – and said, “Young man, I tell you, arise! The dead man stood up and began to speak, and Jesus gave him back to his mother.” (Luke 7:12-15)
Muhammad did not raise a single dead man.
Jesus Christ not only raised the dead, He Himself rose from the dead and appeared before hundreds of witnesses, as proof of His resurrection. They spoke to him, ate with him, and touched his body. He had actually risen from the dead. The resurrection of Jesus from the dead is a foundation for the belief that whoever believes in Jesus can receive eternal life from Him, since Jesus has overcome the power of death. That's why Jesus said:
“I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in me, though he be dead, will live.” (John 11:25)
Mohammed has died and his body has perished.
Jesus Christ performed many miracles such as walking on water, making a great storm stop with a single word, multiplying some bread rolls and fish into food for thousands of people (leaving many times more food than there was originally), turning water into the best wine that the revelers had once drunk, a fig tree withered on the spot, and several other wonders.
Muhammad did not perform any miracles. The Quran emphasizes several times that Muhammad was unable to perform miracles. Some claim that the Quran itself was a miracle, but that's about it.
Jesus Christ died on the cross as a sacrifice for the sins of mankind. He likened himself to a lamb that was slain as an atoning sacrifice for all of us. Jesus explained that laying down his life for us is the greatest proof of love anyone can ever give.
Mohammed gave his life for no one, instead he took the lives of innocent people.
Mohammed was marked by violence and bloodshed. He went about with his armies and slaughtered anyone who would not convert to Islam. The Quran contains 164 verses related to jihad ("holy war" where people are forcibly forced to become Muslims). In verse 9:5 of the Qur'an, Muhammad says, “Slaughter the disbelievers wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, besiege them by ambushes.” (Sura 9:5) Muhammad also personally ordered several times to kill someone. Even today, thousands of innocent people worldwide are being brutally slaughtered for not submitting to Islam. That is the result of faithful obedience to Muhammad's many instructions.
Muslims who think that Islam is a religion of peace go directly against the words of Muhammad:
“Let those who sell their earthly life for the hereafter FIGHT in the cause of Allah. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed himself or is victorious – we will reward him richly.” (Qur'an 4:74)
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@ferrysplekje Je hebt gelijk, het hele scenario rondom corona rommelt aan alle kanten. Het is toch héél vreemd te noemen dat er alleen maar aandacht was voor de coronapatiënten. Alle reguliere zorg moest en zou wijken. Talloze mensen die moesten wachten op een behandeling voor kanker, zitten nu met uitzaaiïngen of zijn overleden. Dan de hartpatiënten met uitgestelde operaties, patiënten die vergeefs gewacht hebben op een transplantatie. Net of deze mensen minder recht op leven hebben dan een coronapatiënt. Het is gewoon misdadig. Verleden jaar rond deze tijd waren er minder besmettingen dan nu, zonder vaccinaties. Nu zijn er 15,9 miljoen mensen gevaccineerd, waarvan 6,2 volledig. Gisteren las ik dat het aantal besmettingen weer omhoog was gegaan door die zogenaamde Deltavariant. Jona Walk, gepromoveerd op vaccin-immunologie zei het volgende :,,Sterker nog, als een vaccin tegen een bepaalde variant niet werkt, blijft alleen die versie van het virus zich verspreiden onder de mensen, en zal die ongevoelige variant uiteindelijk dominant kunnen worden in de gevaccineerde bevolking”. We gaan het zien straks in het najaar.
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@N9745H8 It is not possible that a good Muslim can just do what he wants and does not have to worry about the thousands of rules. And still remain a good Muslim? So what does it mean, “no coercion”? And why is this same verse not popular in Islamic countries? Why is this verse not applied in Saudi Arabia where the religious police are watching everywhere and harshly “adjusting” the behavior of the believers? Do they know Islam better in the West than in Saudi Arabia, where society has been steeped in Islam for 1,400 years?
We quote the full verse here:
2.256. There is no compulsion in religion. Surely the right path is distinguished from error; therefore, he who denies the devil and believes in Allah has taken hold of a strong hold, which is unbreakable. Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
The verse that follows makes the limits of this “no compulsion” a little clearer:
2.257. Allah is the Friend of those who believe; He brings them out of darkness into light. But the friends of the unbelievers are the devils, they bring them out of light into darkness; these are the inhabitants of the fire, in them they shall dwell.
So not believing is not an option, unless "no compulsion" means you are free to believe or not and the unbelievers are burning in hell. Whoever reads the Qur'an will see that the threat of hell is an endless recurring theme. The unbelievers are threatened with hell more than a hundred times in the most diverse terms.
In addition, the Quran also endlessly repeats that Allah and Mohammed must be obeyed. So this means following all the rules that Allah has laid down in the Qur'an and Muhammad in the traditions/Hadith and of which the Qur'an says in 33.36 that the believer has no choice about it. All rules must therefore be followed, including wearing the headscarf.
CONCLUSION:
“No compulsion in religion” does not mean what is commonly claimed, which is that a Muslim(a) is free to do as he or she pleases. Or even be free to change faith. About falling away from Islam Mohammed said: “Whoever changes his religion, kill him” (Bukhari 9.84.57) see also our webpage about this: death sentence for apostates.
It does mean that Jews and Christians should not be forced to convert to Islam if they are willing to keep a low profile and submit to Islamic authority. Christians and Jews disobey Allah and Mohammed and thus go to hell. They choose that freely. They have been notified.
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@kenny.1996 Muhammad, performed no miracles to confirm his message (not even when his followers asked him to - Sura 17:91-95; 29:47-51). It is only in a much later tradition (the Hadith) that some supposed miracles appear, and they are all rather fantastic (e.g. Mohammed is said to have cut the moon in half). There is no reliable testimony to confirm them.
Apart from the proof for the correctness of the Bible (manuscript proof) and the fact that the Bible is a historical document (archaeological proof), the most important proof is the inspiration of the Bible. The real determining factor that the Bible contains the absolute, inspired truth is found in the supernatural evidence the Bible provides, such as prophecies. God used prophets to proclaim and write His Word, and God used miracles such as fulfilled prophecies to confirm His messengers.
There are so many prophecies about Christ (over 270!) that it would take us quite a few pages to list them all. In many of those prophecies, Jesus Himself could not have manipulated anything, such as His birthplace or the moment of His birth. Furthermore, the odds of one person accidentally fulfilling even 16 of these prophecies is 1 in 10^45. That's an incredibly small chance! By comparison, there are less than 10^82 atoms in the entire universe! And Jesus, who established the Bible as the Word of God, proved His trustworthiness and Divinity through His resurrection (a historical fact that cannot be easily ignored).
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@kenny.1996 Do you believe in the Quran? Do you follow the prophet Muhammad?
Then you must also believe in his so-called knowledge. Otherwise you can throw the Quran in the trash.
Fever is caused by the heat of hell. According to Muhammad, the heat of hell is the cause of fever, and therefore must be treated with water (Saheeh al-Bukhari 7:71:621).
Seasons are determined by hell. According to Mohammed, the seasons and associated differences in temperature are caused by hell. Hell has a hot and a cold part. One day, Hell notices that both parts are consuming each other, and asks for help from Allah (Saheeh al-Bukhari 4:54:482). Allah then helps Hell by making the cold part active ('breathing') in the winter and the hot part in the summer.
This is the reason why we have seasons on earth, and according to Islam this has nothing to do with the position of the earth relative to the sun, as we learned in school.
Embryos develop in phases of 40 days. According to the Quran (Sura 22:5), embryos go through the following stages: semen/sperm, then clotted blood, and finally a lump of flesh. Each of these phases lasts 40 days according to Muhammad (Saheeh al-Bukhari 4:54:430). After these 120 days are over, a fetus is formed. An important detail is that during the last phase an angel comes and determines the gender on behalf of Allah (Saheeh al-Bukhari 8:77:594).
In reality, the development of an embryo is very different. An embryo is already a fetus after 9 weeks, so after 63 days instead of 120. After 56 days all organs are already developed and there is already a recognizable human being. According to the Qur'an, the embryo is still in the second phase like congealed blood.
In addition, the sex of the baby is determined immediately at conception, and not after 80 days as Islam claims. So it is clear that modern science is anything but supportive of Islam.
And a lot more of that kind of nonsense. Come on, you can't tell me you support this.
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@marjan.f7441 In addition to Muhammad, the Quran lists 28 prophets. Little is known about three, 25 are from the Bible. But he mixes up their histories in dozens of cases. (Example: Miriam, the sister of Moses, is seen as Mary, Jesus' mother. But there is a time difference of 1500 years between the two.)
Some things that no Christian believes are attributed to Jesus in the Quran. He would have spoken as a little baby and brought clay pigeons to life. Those stories do not come from the Bible, but from later legends. The Quran sees this as a divine truth. Mohammed could not tell folktales and the Bible apart. But how reliable is the Quran then?
Islam believes that it builds on previous revelations of God, especially the Bible. You would expect her to deliver the same message. But Islam is the odd one out of the monotheistic world religions. The prophets do and say different things in the Quran than in the Bible. And on the major themes of: redemption, eternity, grace, the essence of God, lifestyle, etc., there are very different thoughts. The Quran breaks with the previous revelation and does not build upon it.
I also point out the doctrine of substitution which is so important to the interpretation of the Qur'an. Some statements therein are undone by later – contradictory – statements, also in the Qur'an. That raises questions. God speaks the absolute truth, right? How then can He first say one thing and a little later the opposite?
Example: Jews and Christians are honored as the People of the Book, who believe in the true God. But when Mohammed gets disappointed when they don't recognize him as a prophet, he orders them to be killed or enslaved and the prohibition to deal with them. Strange, because only a few years earlier he passed on as the will of God that the Muslims should go to the Jews and Christians with their questions of faith. Was God wrong then? After all, their faith had not changed at that time.
Muslims have their own solution to these problems. If there is a difference of opinion, it is not the Koran but the Bible that is wrong, they say. Only… There's no reason to believe that, given the very old Bible manuscripts we know. How did those errors come about? And why? No one can say anything sensible about that. How can Allah first point to the Christians as a reliable source of information, and recognize the divine quality of the Bible, only to reject it a little later? That is contrary to the nature of God.
Why did Muhammad see Christians/Jews first as fellow believers and later as enemies and unbelievers? The only thing that changed was his own attitude. In Medina it became clear that they did not like him, which he did not know in Mecca. Not God's opinion changed, but Mohammed's…
Under Caliph Othman, all the divergent versions of the Qur'an were burned, leaving a single version. There were problems with contradictory Qurans. Something of this can still be seen in the oldest mosques, especially in Yemen and the Al Aqsa mosque on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, with proverbs from the Koran that do not correspond with what we know today. This raises the question: What were the various suras (chapters) originally called? Under no circumstances can you say that the text of the Quran is unproblematic.
The Koran is in many eyes a racist book. It regularly calls Jews monkeys and pigs. When someone is judged on the basis of his origin (not his actions), that is: racism. And how does it affect people who recite these “sacred” texts?
Another problem is that many statements in the Qur'an are incomprehensible. Can't you research that yourself and draw conclusions at your own discretion? Come on. The Muslim is obliged to follow the religious doctrine established around the year 1000. Woe to him who says otherwise. Is that teaching entirely in line with Muhammad's original message? Nobody knows. However, anyone who comes to a different understanding is out of the faith community or can face prison or death in many Islamic countries. That is why many stumble along thoughtlessly. 😬
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@marjan.f7441 I told you before.
The Quran is not written in an Arabic dialect from the Mecca area. The Arabic of the Qur'an is not written in a specific dialect from Arabia (Ibn Warraq, the origins of the Qur'an, 1998), nor is it written in the dialect of the Quraish from Mecca as Islamic tradition states.
The dialect in which the Qur'an is written comes from the south of the Levant, or the area where Jordan is today (Mark Durie, On the Origin of Qur'anic Arabic, 2018). This is apparent from the use of the 'ta marbuta' (ة), the alif 'maksura' (ى) and the article 'al' (ال).
These three elements are found only in the southern Levant, where the Nabataeans previously spoke some form of Aramaic, and not in Arabia. These elements later came from Aramaic into the Arabic of that region. So it turns out that the Arabic in which the Quran is written is the Arabic of the southern Levant. This contradicts the Islamic tradition that the Quran originated in the region around Mecca.
There is no evidence that the Quran of 'Uthmaan has been preserved unchanged until now.
There are 6 manuscripts that are considered to be the oldest surviving, namely those from Cairo, Samarkand, Paris, Istanbul, London and Sana'a. Ishanoglu and Altikulac researched this for 5 years and published their results in 2009.
They found that of these 6 manuscripts, none are from the time of 'Uthmaan. The oldest manuscript is that of Paris and is from the early 8th century. Moreover, all these manuscripts are incomplete and differ in thousands of points from the Qur'an today. Corrections have also often been made, and some manuscripts had an underlayer with an older text. Incidentally, not even a single complete Quran has been found up to and including the 10th century.
There is therefore no comparison material whatsoever, and Muslims can at best claim that there is no longer a Qur'an from 'Uthman's time. But with that there is no proof whatsoever that the current Qur'an is the same as that of 'Uthmaan.
There are indications that the Qur'an has been changed from the beginning. In the hadith (Sunan Ibn Majah 3:9:1944) Aisha relates that 'the Qur'anic verse about stoning and breastfeeding was under her pillow.' However, when Muhammad died and they were doing it, 'a sheep came and ate the verse.' In today's Qur'an there is no verse about breastfeeding, but according to Aisha there has been.
The well-known commentator Al-Suyuti (died 1505) mentions that verses of the Qur'an have been lost. For example, he cites 'Umar bin al-Khattaab who is said to have said that 'much of the Qur'an has been lost' (As-Suyuti, Itqan, vol. 3, p. 72). He also refers to Ibn Ka'b, who at one point asks one of the Muslims how many verses surah al-ahzaab contains. The answer is 73, although according to Ibn Ka'b there were originally about 286 verses.
This indicates that the verses already before the final composition of the Qur'an have been lost, so there can be no question that the Qur'an has been completely preserved from the beginning.
From the first centuries of Islam, there have been several readings/versions of the Quran. From the year 736, about 100 years after the death of Muhammad in 632, several Qurans appear. These include Ibn Kathir, Nafi, and Al-Kisai. These are all different readings of the Quran. In fact, the case was that the Arabic script was limited at the time, which presented the following problems:
1) Arabic was written without dots. This can lead to you sometimes having multiple letters that are indistinguishable from each other! For example, the following letters are exactly the same without dots: ح (h), خ (g), ج (dj).
2) Arabic was written without signs for short vowels. These are the fatha (a), the damma (u), and the kasra (i). There were also no signs for double consonants (shadda) and a stop at the end of a letter (sukun).
It is easy to imagine that this leads to an enormous variation in possible pronunciations for a word!
In the 10th century, Ibn Mujahid tried to address this problem by choosing 7 readings. However, each of these were again passed on by two people. Each of them had their own reading, so in the end there were still 14 versions.
This did not solve the problem either, and the number of versions eventually ran into the hundreds. Ibn Al-Jazari (1350-1429) made his own selection and reduced the number to 30. These 30 versions consisted of 10 official versions, of which two students came with their own lecture for each version. Between these versions there are at least 93,000 differences in letters, words, and the way of reading.
Today there are more than 30 different Qurans. The problem of the different readings of the Qur'an has never been solved. Today there are still more than 30 different Qurans! However, in 1924 Hafs' reading was canonized by the authoritative University of Cairo, so designated as the only official version of the Qur'an. The Hafs is now the most widely used version and is used by about 95% of all Muslims. However, other versions have not disappeared and are therefore still in circulation.
The Warsh (3%) is the second most used version and is mainly used in North Africa. However, there are already more than 5000 differences between the Hafs and the Warsh!
An example of this is Sura 3:146: in the Hafs it says قَتَلَ (qatala, 'killed') and in the Warsh it says قُتِلَ (qutila, 'were killed'). Did the prophets in this verse kill or were they killed? Both versions contradict each other.
This makes it clear that we cannot speak of one Qur'an, but of several. In addition, these different versions contain thousands of differences.
These criticisms show that it is unlikely that the Islamic tradition regarding the origin of the Quran and the preservation of the text is reliable. Ibn Warraq (The origins of the Quran, 1998) expresses his surprise at the fact that some historians, on the one hand, recognize the problems of the Islamic tradition, but on the other hand accept this same tradition as true. Fortunately, thanks in particular to new publications about the Qur'an, more and more people are gaining insight into the true background of the Qur'an.
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@marjan.f7441 Your Quran has "holes", so be it. 😏
Apart from the proof for the correctness of the Bible (manuscript proof) and the fact that the Bible is a historical document (archaeological proof), the most important proof is the inspiration of the Bible. The real determining factor that the Bible contains the absolute, inspired truth is found in the supernatural evidence the Bible provides, such as prophecies.
Prophecies
God used prophets to proclaim and write His Word, and God used miracles such as fulfilled prophecies to confirm His messengers. For example, in Genesis 12:7, God promises that the land of Canaan would be for Abraham and his descendants. In 1948, this land was returned to the Jewish people for the second time in history. This may not seem so surprising until you realize that no other country in history has been driven from its homeland only to return! Israel has done this twice.
The book of Daniel accurately foretells the coming of the four great kingdoms of Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, and Rome; centuries before some of those kingdoms came into being (a span of over 1,000 years!). Daniel described details of the rule and demise of those superpowers. His prophecies include the reigns of Alexander the Great and Antiochus Epiphanes.
In Ezekiel 26 we read in astonishing detail how the city of Tire would be destroyed: the city would be torn down and its fragments would be thrown into the sea. When Alexander the Great was marching against that area, a group of people had entrenched themselves in a tower on an island off the coast. He could not cross the canal to fight against the people in the tower. Rather than await a siege, the proud conqueror's army built a land bridge to the island. It worked. His army crossed the canal and overpowered those in the fortifications. But where did they get enough stones to build that land bridge? The stones they used were the leftover rubble of the city of Tyre…. whose stones had been cast into the sea, just as Ezekiel had foretold nearly 300 years earlier!
There are so many prophecies about Christ (over 270!) that it would take us quite a few pages to list them all. In many of those prophecies, Jesus Himself could not have manipulated anything, such as His birthplace or the moment of His birth. Furthermore, the odds of one person accidentally fulfilling even 16 of these prophecies is 1 in 10^45. That's an incredibly small chance! By comparison, there are less than 10^82 atoms in the entire universe! And Jesus, who established the Bible as the Word of God, proved His trustworthiness and Divinity through His resurrection (a historical fact that cannot be easily ignored).
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@marjan.f7441 Now the Quran. The author of this book, Muhammad, performed no miracles to confirm his message (even when his followers asked him to – Sura 17:91-95; 29:47-51). It is only in a much later tradition (the Hadith) that some supposed miracles appear, and they are all rather fantastic (e.g. Mohammed is said to have cut the moon in half). There is no reliable testimony to confirm them. Furthermore, the Qur'an makes clear historical errors. Muslims believe that the Bible is inspired, but contains some errors due to editorial activity (Sura 2:136, as well as Suras 13, 16, 17, 20, 21, 23, 25). The question they cannot satisfactorily answer is, "When was the integrity of the Bible disturbed?" When they say that this happened before 600 AD, it makes no sense that the Qur'an urges its believers to read the Bible. If they claim it was after 600 AD, their argument is even less tenable, for there is no doubt about the accuracy of the Biblical manuscripts since at least the 3rd century AD. And even if Christianity were false, the Quran still has an insurmountable problem. The book accuses Christians of believing things they really don't believe at all. For example, the Quran teaches that Christians believe that the Trinity is the Father, the Mother (Mary), and the Son (Sura 5:73-75, 116). The Quran also says that Christians believe that God had intercourse with Mary in order to bring forth a Son (Suras 2:116; 6:100-101; 10:68; 16:57; 19:35; 23:91; 37:149 -151; 43:16-19). If the Quran were really from God, then the book should at least be able to accurately reflect what Christians believe.
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@marjan.f7441 In addition to Muhammad, the Quran lists 28 prophets. Little is known about three, 25 are from the Bible. But he mixes up their histories in dozens of cases. (Example: Miriam, the sister of Moses, is seen as Mary, Jesus' mother. But there is a time difference of 1500 years between the two.)
Some things that no Christian believes are attributed to Jesus in the Quran. He would have spoken as a little baby and brought clay pigeons to life. Those stories do not come from the Bible, but from later legends. The Quran sees this as a divine truth. Mohammed could not tell folktales and the Bible apart. But how reliable is the Quran then?
Islam believes that it builds on previous revelations of God, especially the Bible. You would expect her to deliver the same message. But Islam is the odd one out of the monotheistic world religions. The prophets do and say different things in the Quran than in the Bible. And on the major themes of: redemption, eternity, grace, the essence of God, lifestyle, etc., there are very different thoughts. The Quran breaks with the previous revelation and does not build upon it.
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@marjan.f7441 I also point out the doctrine of substitution which is so important to the interpretation of the Qur'an. Some statements therein are undone by later – contradictory – statements, also in the Qur'an. That raises questions. God speaks the absolute truth, right? How then can He first say one thing and a little later the opposite?
Example: Jews and Christians are honored as the People of the Book, who believe in the true God. But when Mohammed gets disappointed when they don't recognize him as a prophet, he orders them to be killed or enslaved and the prohibition to deal with them. Strange, because only a few years earlier he passed on as the will of God that the Muslims should go to the Jews and Christians with their questions of faith. Was God wrong then? After all, their faith had not changed at that time.
Muslims have their own solution to these problems. If there is a difference of opinion, it is not the Koran but the Bible that is wrong, they say. Only… There's no reason to believe that, given the very old Bible manuscripts we know. How did those errors come about? And why? No one can say anything sensible about that. How can Allah first point to the Christians as a reliable source of information, and recognize the divine quality of the Bible, only to reject it a little later? That is contrary to the nature of God.
Why did Muhammad see Christians/Jews first as fellow believers and later as enemies and unbelievers? The only thing that changed was his own attitude. In Medina it became clear that they did not like him, which he did not know in Mecca. Not God's opinion changed, but Mohammed's…
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@marjan.f7441 It's the joke of the day, isn't it Marjan. You directed me to watch Sonia Azam's video so that I would leave the Roman Cult.
You have made a fool of yourself with this, as Sonia has found Jesus Christ and left Islam. Thank God she found out what Islam actually is. Islam is a totalitarian, bigoted and violent political ideology of conquest disguised as a religion. It seeks the destruction of our democracy and the replacement of our legal system with Islamic law, Sharia. The goal of Islam is the establishment of an Islamic world empire. This goal is not only at odds with our culture, our norms and values, our rights and our freedoms, but also threatens them.
Moreover, Islam is an all-encompassing ideology, which determines every aspect of human existence. It is a political, legal, military, cultural and social system. In Islam there is no separation of powers, no equality between men and women and between Muslims and non-Muslims. Islam discriminates against women, non-Muslims and homosexuals, is anti-Semitic, has no freedom of expression, imposes mandatory rules on all acts of human existence and punishes withdrawal with the death penalty. Islam has honor killings and female genital mutilation.
Islam is a dangerous ideology of conquest that has been placed like a cuckoo in the nest of religions, but should not be considered and treated as a religion.
Islamic ideology is not comparable to religions such as Christianity, Judaism or Buddhism for several fundamental reasons.
Philosopher Howard P. Kainz, professor emeritus of Marquette University in Milwaukee, formulated four characteristics that religions must have. These four characteristics are:
1. Belonging to a religion must be a personal choice;
2. No religion should demand that those who leave the religion be killed;
3.A religion must never order the killing or subjugation of those who do not belong to its own religion;
4.A religion must conform to fundamental human rights.
Since Islam conflicts with each of these four characteristics, Islam cannot be regarded as a religion.
Good night
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