Comments by "MRA" (@yassassin6425) on "How the first Moon landing was saved - 13 Minutes to the Moon Season 1, Ep 9 - BBC World Service" video.
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@80sbeginner
"I'm only talking about Newton's second law."
No you aren't. You're simply regurgitating what some online grifter told you to think in the deluded belief that junk online conspiracy theory substitutes and supplants for the education that eluded you in life. And thanks, but I'll stick to what nature, and entire branch of evidence based science and Newton himself has to say about that as opposed to listening to a very dim and impressionable individual trying to sound clever on the comments section of You Tube - if it's all the same to you.
"you got an answer"
No I didn't, you avoided it like the clap because that's what you goons always do.
"I don't need to talk about anything else to disprove the heliocentric model."
Let me help you there, because you're terribly confused. What you actually need to do, (as opposed to gorging on a junk diet of crap conspiracy channels that tell you what to say over social media or internet comments sections), is, in the first instance, undertake a doctoral thesis. Heads up - you'll soon discover that you're not going to gain much in the way of approbation, credence and progress in academic circles by relying upon the likes of David Weiss, William Guzmann and Nathan Oakley as your references, you will need to gain your own credibility generating your own literature and corpus of work. So, you are going to need to produce your own methodology, ontology, data and novel outputs yourself. While you're doing that, publish some papers in Q1 scientific journals, raise your academic profile, generate favourable peer review, present your work as a keynote speaker at conferences and concentrate on increasing your H-index. Defending your work through your ineluctable logic, adherence to the scientific method, integrity, rigour and reproducibility and mathematical axioms will then allow you to leverage your research and in so doing falsify Newton's second law of motion/F - ma, thereby overturning tens of thousands of experiments and the data yielded, and with it, the entire branch of science known as physics and in the process, toppling the very edifice of evidence based scientific knowledge that would then need to be rebuilt from scratch. And as I said - don't forget to claim your Nobel Prize.
Alternatively, you can continue to preen and posture on the internet, deluding yourself that your hopeless trolling has any meaning or impact on the real world or that a subscription to MarkKSargant makes you sound informed and clever in the walled garden that you cower in.
"you have trouble focusing on the topic of the discussion."
I am irrelevant to your contention. Like I said, go out there and prove physics wrong. Regarding the topic of discussion, the changes that a force can exert on a body is validated by Newton's quantitative description, and yes this is measurable is demonstrated by nature - as opposed to some feeble minded tool with an internet connection that doesn't know how to use it properly.
Now, in your own words, and without resorting to clowns like Nathan Oakley, explain how plate tectonics work on a flat Earth in addition to the magnetosphere. When you've done that account for the observed geodesic which is the foundation of global navigation.
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@80sbeginner
"I researched the subject of Newton's second law by myself, without anyone's help."
Of course you did, clever lad. Now forgive me if I defer to observable nature, an entire branch of science called physics and Netwon himself over a gullible conspiracy believer and jumped up egotistical nobody on the comments section of a video entertainment platform - the village idiot that found a voice through an internet connection that they don't know how to use responsibly.
"I haven't seen anyone in the flat earth movement talking about this issue. I'm the only one talking exclusively about this topic."
"The flat earth community". And through taking that seriously, you yourself expect to be taken seriously? These people are grifters. None of them believe the nonsense they spout. They are simply opportunistic con artists harvesting gullibility and stupidity for profit and their own gain - and you are their target market.
In which case, to return to my original question, why are you frittering your time away posting useless comments on You Tube? If you maintain that a force can't be measured or that f=ma is incorrect, then get yourself off your lazy arse, go out there, take on the world, publish and defend your findings, falsify Isaac Newton and in the process subvert and demolish the entire edifice and centuries of of scientific understanding. What are you waiting for?
"you are a liar, your response is complete garbage."
To reiterate, the unintentional irony is as hilarious as it is staggering.
And to also clarify for you again, simply saying something over the internet accounts for f**k all. You need to demonstrate why.
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@80sbeginner
"the right question is - why are you wasting your precious time on me?"
As I explained, I find you and your ilk hilarious. Don't underestimate your comic value, unintentional as it is. As I also explained, since you are the one that is making the claims, not me, I am irrelevant to this exchange. Don't you have an entire branch of science to challenge?
"if all I write is bullshit, then no one will pay attention to me, right?"
Correct - you're beginning to get it now. Which is why you are completely ignored accounting for nothing in the real world, have achieved nothing of worth in your miserable life and are forced to compensate through trolling comments sections consuming and regurgitating junk online conspiracy theory which feeds your illusory superiority, massages your ego and makes you feel special. I find that hilarious.
"it's a fact that my comments cause globist trolls/paid shills/professional liars to respond to me non-stop."
That's the second time that you've managed to misspell 'globalist'. Seriously, why are you doing this to yourself?
"I must be doing a good job"
Of making a complete tit our of yourself on the internet? That's the first thing that you've said that is correct.
"I'll keep up this good work. I'll continue to tell the truth in many videos similar to this one. I do everything for free, no one should pay me for this, the truth is very important to me and I will tell it all the time."
Get you! Brave lad. And rational people will continue to lampoon you. Next step, like I said, at some stage, grow some nads, stop pissing about ineptly trolling the comments section of You Tube, publish your mathematical data, falsify Newton and revolutionise centuries of evidence based science and our understanding of nature. What are you so afraid of?
"you will continue to type your arrogant comments and that's fine."
Is unintentional irony a national sport where you come from?
"I'm not excited about you at all."
Frankly, I'm immensely gratified to hear it. And to reiterate again, I am irrelevant to this exchange and your ludicrous claims, just as you are irrelevant to the real world. You think otherwise? Go our there, prove Newton wrong and undermine an entire branch of science called physics in the process. What's the problem?
While you're at it, reconcile plate tectonics and the magnetosphere with your flat Earth model and account for why the geodesic is fundamental to global navigation.
Off you go.
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@80sbeginner
"I don't have to answer any of your questions. I didn't have to answer you in my previous comment either."
No you don't have to answer my questions but your inability, incapability and unwillingness says it all. If you wish to suggest that Isaac Newton was incorrect or that tectonic plates don't exist then you need to demonstrate why, otherwise your claims are utterly worthless.
There is no debate about the shape of the world."
Correct, there is no debate about the shape of the world.
"you don't have one proof that you live on a spinning ball and you never will."
The evidence that the world is a spherical and revolves on its axis is manifest and ineluctable. As I suggested, you think otherwise - get your lazy trolling arse out of your armchair, off You Tube and overturn science. What are you so scared of? I am irrelevant to this exchange.
"you mistakenly think that you are running the show here in this thread that I created."
Get you! What you actually did was post a series of asinine parroted comments, troll that you are. Unfortunately for you, the You Tube comments section has a reply feature and don't you people simply loath that? The only thing that you have created here is an opportunity for your own humiliation - and I will continue to laugh at your expense.
"you have no proof that force is equal to mass times acceleration and you never will have such proof."
Again, to reiterate, I am irrelevant. Newton an entire branch of science called physics in addition to observable nature proves you wrong. What's stopping you falsifying this instead of poncing about on the comments section of a video entertainment platform?
"you are wasting your time responding to me obsessively."
You are wasting your time trolling obsessively. Don't you have papers to publish? Conferences to attend? A Nobel Prize to claim or are you content ineptly re-writing your childish alternative lyrics to Madonna songs instead?
"surely you have some hobbies, go and enjoy your hobbies that's good advice from me."
Said the online troll and gullible conspiracy believer.
You claim that the Earth is flat. How do you account for known plate margins, seismicity, volcanicity and continental drift? How you reconcile plate tectonics and the magnetosphere with your flat Earth model and explain why the geodesic is fundamental to global navigation? Why aren't you out there proving this in addition to falsifying Isaac Newton instead of wasting your time posting bollocks on the comments section of a video entertainment platform? Why are you making claims that you are unable to defend or substantiate?
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@80sbeginner
"it's funny you call me a troll"
You are the very definition of one as your posts and behaviour on this video are testament to.
"the content of my channel shows that I can't be a troll. the amount of people following my channel shows that I can't be a troll."
That has absolutely zero bearing on your decision to act like one.
"the content of your channel and of hundreds of globist trolls like you that I have come across, shows what you know, which is basically nothing."
That'll be the third time that you've misspelt 'globalist'. Looks like you're also having great difficulty understanding privacy settings that a child could comprehend.
To reiterate, I am irrelevant. You are the one making the claims. Knowledge is not defined by whatever crap you choose to deposit on a You Tube channel, neither is the real world. So why are you squandering your time on a video entertainment platform when you could be out there falsifying science? You have yet to answer this question. Instead of your worthless channel, could you refer me to your publications?
"in the world of lies you live in, you can invent fake equations and say they are true, without providing a single proof."
On the contrary - in the real world science is evidence based and those equations that you don't understand are axiomatic.
Why are you so terrified of it?
"everything is opposite with you, everything is opposite from the truth."
Again, no use saying it - demonstrate how. If you are unable to do so, your statements are worthless. You claim that the Earth is flat. How do you account for known plate margins, seismicity, volcanicity and continental drift? How you reconcile plate tectonics and the magnetosphere with your flat Earth model and explain why the geodesic is fundamental to global navigation? Why aren't you out there proving this in addition to falsifying Isaac Newton instead of wasting your time posting bollocks on the comments section of a video entertainment platform? Why are you making claims that you are unable to defend or substantiate?
"keep quoting me."
Absolutely troll. I am relishing your humiliation. It's akin to a tortuous slow death. You should do the honourable thing and put yourself out of your misery.
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@80sbeginner
That's six times now that you have failed to spell globalist correctly. This is so easy.
Isaac Newton understood that the force acting on an object is equal to the mass of an object times its acceleration. This means the more mass an object has, the more force you need to accelerate it. And the greater the force, the greater the object's acceleration. This is observable in nature. And you are incorrect again - he was able to measure force and the experiment devised to do so is detailed in the Scholium to Axioms and the Principa. Why don't you know this? Also for equations to be accepted, they must be axiomatic.
I'll ask you again - if you wish to "convince" people, then why are you cowering on You Tube wasting your time comically and ineptly rewriting the lyrics to Madonna songs? If you believe that you are able to falsify Newton's second law of motion, why haven't you done it? Why haven't you published your mathematics overturning this and claimed your Nobel Prize? In so doing toppling the entire edifice, the very pillars of science and the "most horrible lie in human history" will come crashing down. Quick tip though - might be an idea to learn to spell "globalist" before you do.
And you have yet to answer my other questions. If tectonic plates don't exist, then how do you explain seismicity, volcanicity, the Mid Atlantic ridge, continental drift? How does your flat earth account for the magnetosphere or the geodesic which is fundamental to navigation?
Go ahead then. If you can't address these simple questions then how are you going to defeat "the...freemasons!!! (insert dramatic music) and Satan's emissaries?
And your point about "fantasy" was?
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@80sbeginner
"no, he didn't understand it, he invented this garbage."
Incorrect. Newton's laws are observable, demonstrable and reproducible.
"it's a lie."
The Principia and the Scholium to Axioms? Go ahead and demonstrate it then instead of pissing about on You Tube writing shit alternative lyrics to Madonna songs like the child you are.
"Isaac Newton never measured 'force'."
Yes he did, and the full details of the experimentation demonstrates how. He measured acceleration as well, and we can do both today which fully validates his findings.
"there is no such thing as 'force', no such variable that is independent."
Er, ok, you need to understand at some stage that simply saying so on the internet accounts for nothing. Again, go out there and prove this.
"to know 'force' you must know both the object's mass and the object's 'acceleration'"
He was able to extrapolate both - again, just as we can today.
"mass times 'acceleration' is not 'force', mass times 'acceleration' is a meaningless result, and any intellectually honest person can easily understand this."
So, acceleration and force are different things; the former, a rate of change of velocity, the latter, a strength of an interaction on the other hand. Both are quantifiable and the way we calibrate our force measurements involves knowing about accelerations of known masses. This is basic high school material that any intellectually honest individual can comprehend. Unfortunately, you are neither intellectual or honest, you are nothing more than a gullible fool, indoctrinated by multiple You Tube channels of complete horseshit that harvest utter stupidity and those that naively the nonsensical content supplants and compensates for the education that eluded them and make them sound informed and clever.
"all you have are just words in a book written in Latin hundreds of years ago."
Nope, we have mathematics which has a voice of its own. The Principia is one of the most important works in the history of science. You maintain otherwise, stop being a useless clown on You Tube and go out there and falsify it.
"you don't have any proof and you never will."
Incorrect again - Newton's laws are supported by not only mathematics, but reality and observable nature in addition to an entire branch of science called physics. Personally, I'll take that over a hopeless troll and a clueless conspiracy addled cretin that thinks their You Tube channel makes them credible in life and compensates for their insignificant existence and lack of achievement.
You have avoided my questions yet again. If you believe that you are able to falsify Newton's second law of motion, why haven't you done it? Why haven't you published your mathematics overturning this and claimed your Nobel Prize? In so doing, toppling the entire edifice, the very pillars of science and as a consequence the "most horrible lie in human history" will come crashing down. Just a hunch, but you're going to need slightly more than some ineptly adapted lyrics to 'Papa Don't Preach'.
Also, if tectonic plates don't exist, then how do you explain seismicity, volcanicity, the Mid Atlantic ridge, continental drift? How does your flat earth account for the magnetosphere or the geodesic which is fundamental to navigation?
Go ahead.
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@80sbeginner
"Today there is no measuring device that works according to Newton's second law."
Yes so you keep saying. Doesn't alter the fact that indeed there is - it's called a force metre - the clue is in the name.
"*All you have are words, you have no proof."*
Do you have a black belt seventh dan in unintentional irony?
To reiterate, I am irrelevant. You are contesting known evidence based empirical science, mathematical axioms and observable nature. To reiterate, I'll go with that if it's all the same to you as opposed to a stream of drivel from a ludicrous dumb conspiracy believer, completely divorced from reality and seeking refuge from the real world by inhabiting and cowering within someone else's fantasies.
"I'm starting to wonder if you're a professional liar who knows the truth that we don't live on a spinning ball, but you're putting on some ridiculous show here with all these quotes."
I'm merely quoting your idiocy and your own words - so in that respect, yes, it is as you correctly say, a ridiculous show.
You have avoided my questions yet again. If you believe that you are able to falsify Newton's second law of motion, why haven't you done it? Why haven't you published your mathematics overturning this and claimed your Nobel Prize? In so doing, toppling the entire edifice, the very pillars of science and as a consequence the "most horrible lie in human history" will come crashing down. Just a hunch, but you're going to need slightly more than some ineptly adapted lyrics to 'Papa Don't Preach'.
Also, if tectonic plates don't exist, then how do you explain seismicity, volcanicity, the Mid Atlantic ridge, continental drift? How does your flat earth account for the magnetosphere or the geodesic which is fundamental to navigation? What are you so scared of?
All you have is words and no proof - but even those fail you when you are asked a straight question.
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@80sbeginner
_"you said the word CALCULATED. to calculate IS NOT to measure. to measure something, means, it's a variable in itself that can be measured,
Spectacularly wrong. The measurement of force is derived by a simple calculation once we have obtained the values of mass and acceleration. Are you really this dim or are you simply a Poe?
"it's not a variable that is calculated using an imaginary and invented equation."
So at what stage are you gong to point that out to an entire branch of physics that have failed to notice this genius?
"in the pseudo-science you admire so much, you accept the word "calculate" as if it were real physics."
A calculation is simply to determine the amount or quantity of something.
"the rate of change of velocity with respect to time". in other words, "final velocity minus initial velocity, divided by time." why?"
So that we can establish the rate of change in velocity.
"your intellectual dishonesty is insane."
And as I have shown, you are neither intellectual or dishonest. You are simply a very silly man with an internet connection that doesn't know how to use it responsibly.
"our topic of conversation is force equal to mass times acceleration, as described in Isaac Newton's 1687 book."
Nope. To remind you, your original OP was the following.
"no one has ever been to the moon. no one has ever been in space. we don't live on a spinning ball. the heliocentric model is rubbish."
I have repeatedly asked you to explain your flat earth model through a series of questions that you don't know how to answer.
"the gravitation constant was calculated only in 1798 by Henry Cavendish, in an equation DERIVED FROM Newton's second law."
Newton's second law states that the net external force acting on an object is responsible for the acceleration of the object. If air resistance is negligible, the net external force on a falling object is only the gravitational force (i.e., the weight of the object). The first direct measurement of gravitational attraction between two bodies in the laboratory was indeed performed in 1798, Cavendish. He determined a value for G implicitly, using a torsion balance. Again, why aren't you out there falsifying all this?
(Incidentally, your caps lock key is intermittently malfunctioning).
"I have already proved to you that Newton's second law equation is rubbish"
Simply parroting a flat earth video over an internet comments section is not 'proof'. To reiterate again, I am irrelevant to this exchange. Why aren't you out there overturning centuries of evidence based established science as opposed to making a complete tit out of yourself on You Tube? We both know the answer to that one.
"but you ,of course, like all globist trolls and professional liars, simply ignore my proof and continue with your nonsense."
The only thing of note that you've managed in this entire thread is to misspell 'globalist' seven times now. And you wonder why I enjoy bating you so much.
"you are talking to me about what happened more than a century after the invention of the rubbish equation."
We can also talk about what has happened three hundred and thirty years later. Or the fact that as the bedrock of classical physics Newton's laws of motion have yet to be falsified. What are you waiting for?
"that's right, the same rubbish equation F=ma. the same rubbish equation that was already ready for further pseudo-scientific use by the cult of sun worshippers, the cult of liars, the cult of crooks."
Then what are you doing childishly, hopelessly and ineptly re-writing the lyrics to "Papa Don't Preach'? Step out of your internet bubble and take them all on. Go ahead then. You haven't even got the courage to answer my questions.
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