Comments by "MRA" (@yassassin6425) on "The Ultimate Conspiracy Debunker" video.
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"Geoengineering involves massive spraying of aerosols."
Actually, geoengineering is a very broad term, encompassing a range of strategies from marine cloud brightening to carbon sequestering. Much of the current funding and research is ploughed into ocean fertilisation. I take it that you are referring to albedo modification in the form of Solar Radiation Management...or more specifically, Stratospheric Aerosol Injection?
Only two known experiments have been carried out in the open air to date that could be considered geoengineering-related: University of California, San Diego, researchers sprayed smoke and salt particles off the coast of California as part of the E-PEACE experiment in 2011, and scientists in Russia dispersed aerosols from a helicopter and car in 2009. The so called SPICE experiment in the United Kingdom was abandoned in 2012, following public criticism and conflict of interest accusations after several of the scientists applied for a related patent.
"and they've been doing it for years"
Who are "they" and how have you established this?
As part of the recently launched $16m Harvard research project, this summer a small balloon will release "a fine mist" of initially water and it is anticipated novel aerosols including calcium carbonate or aluminium oxide into the mid stratosphere measuring a few kilograms in total for the purpose of extrapolating data and reflectivity measurements. And therein lies another key point that you people either miss, fail to comprehend or wilfully ignore. Geoengineering strategies concerning albedo modification - or Stratospheric Aerosol Injection are intended to simulate the cooling effects of a large volcanic eruption and are therefore designated for the mid stratosphere. Several things to appreciate about this. Currently there is no aircraft that could deliver this material on the scale or at the altitudes that scientists such as Keith has identified of (65,000 - 70,000ft). Gulfstream aircraft have been suggested but they would require heavy retrofitting and modification and currently it would be prohibitively expensive. Secondly, because the objective is to recreate aerosols typical of a volcanic eruption, combined with empty field myopia - means that it would be completely invisible to ground based observation and certainly wouldn't resemble a large opaque white plume in the wake of a commercial aircraft cruising at half the altitude. Thirdly, and in association with this, such an operation would likely be equatorial in its deployment to utilise the Brewer Dobson Circulatory patterns.
The hilarious irony about this ill conceived conspiracy theory is that through radiative forcing, contrail cirrus results in precisely the reverse that the geoengineers wish to achieve through trapping heat. In addition to this, there is a large body of research in tandem with these SAI proposals assess the environmental and geopolitical ramifications in addition to implications concerning governance. Although some are calling for more research, there is also substantial opposition to the notion of Solar Radiation Management within the scientific community should it ever need to be deployed.
Now could you explain, what do proposals for geoengineering have to do with a contrail in either appearance or nature? (other than the fact that charlatans such as Dane Wigington riding on the coattails of the chemtrail hoax have intentionally conflated the two.)
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"Also, while a lot of people are completely ignorant to the fact that a) cloud seeding has been going on for many decades"
To clarify, the chemtrail conspiracy theory is predicated upon the misidentification of persistent contrails - a phenomena that has been observed, documented, recorded, photographed, filmed, measured and studied since the early advent of powered aviation and in excess of eighty years. This has nothing whatsoever to do with cloud seeding bar the the intentional conflation on behalf of the perpetrators of this hoax in a lame attempt to add legitimacy to their claims. It strikes me that your chemtrails can be whatever you want them to bet hen? How about fireworks? They produce smoke and dust that may contain residues of heavy metals, sulphur-coal compounds and some low concentration toxic chemicals. These by-products of fireworks combustion will vary depending on the mix of ingredients of a particular firework. (The colour green, for instance, may be produced by adding the various compounds and salts of barium, some of which are toxic, and some of which are not.) Aluminium, barium, caesium, sulphur, lithium, magnesium, titanium, beryillium, strontium and radium. Literally chemtrails!!! - and there are an estimated 2.3 million tonnes of fireworks detonated every year. ...Illuminati confirmed!!
Cloud seeding aims to induce rainfall by introducing additional nucleate into existing cumulus/stratiform masses (those conducive to precipitation). For this reason it is conducted at comparatively low altitudes 2,000-6,500ft typically through flares retro-fitted to light aircraft. Although there are organisations online that advertise and offer their 'weather modification' services' online, (the technical terminology for cloud seeding), and despite high profile state schemes such as China and UAE, cloud seeding is really not that widespread, its results erratic and the very efficacy of the practice highly questionable. By all means refer to cloud seeding as 'chemtrails' if you insist, but don't expect to be taken seriously in the real world or amongst the rational and informed outside your internet echo-chambers that aimlessly circulate and bat this nonsense about.
Given that cloud seeding is conducted at a fraction of the altitude of the trails that you are observing, would not even leave a discernible trail, has nothing to do with large commercial jet aircraft cruising in the upper troposphere and lower stratosphere, does not create clouds and has nothing remotely to do with the misidentified contrails discussed in this video, could I ask you, what precisely is your point?
"2) that water vapor is a by-product of burning hydrocarbons"
It is, but water vapour is an invisible gas. The visible trails that you see are a product of condensed water vapour in the form of ice crystals and in the case of persistent or expanding/spreading trails the ice is almost entirely drawn from the existing atmospheric moisture budget due to high RHi/supersaturation.
"it's very easy to find documented instances of gov'ts spraying shit in the air without telling people, just to see what would happen."
Dispersal experiments on or near ground level that have nothing remotely to do with condensation trails in the wake of jet aircraft cruising in the tropopause and lower stratosphere. Gullible chemtrail conspiracy believers uncritically lap up such false equivalence and regurgitate it over the internet without knowing the first thing about the subjects that they claim authority over - far less aviation, meteorology and atmospheric science. Odd don't you think that these entire relevant fields and specialisms and environmental monitoring the world over remain oblivious to these supposed chemtrails, or have supposedly been collectively coerced and coopted by the mysterious 'they' - yet a community of online armchair conspiracy theorists and self-appointed overnight 'experts' think that they know better because the internet told them so?
"Do some research."
One of the most tiresome tropes parroted by online conspiracy theorists is "do some research". Appreciating that this does not involve self-proclaimed overnight 'expertise' after a squandered evening in front of baseless You Tube videos, consuming cherry picked, click-bait confirmation bias, quote mining or reliance upon self-referencing pseudoscientific junk chemtrail conspiracy websites, do feel free to share, how did you do yours?
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