Comments by "DriveInFreak" (@DriveInFreak) on "Trump threatens lawsuit over an an ad that features him calling coronavirus a 'hoax'" video.

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  14. ​ @jon__doe  STRIKE 1 "The Charlotte Lozier Institute, named for Lozier, is a fetal rights think tank founded in 2011." That couldn't be any less credible if it tried. We're talkin' 100% certified biased bullshit. STRIKE 2 "The precise nature of fetal pain experience remains unknown and will, perhaps, remain forever unknowable." "When we experience pain, we experience ourselves as the bearer of pain with the knowledge that we are in pain, an experience encompassing memory, understanding, and so on. The pain is inescapably about something that is more than any immediate and bounded experience. Pain essentially refers to, or is constituent to, a part of the body (an arm, leg, head, and so on). Pain often refers to a stimulus with degrees of threat (a thorn vs a spear or indigestion vs a heart attack), and pain conjures up an inner state of consciousness relating to fear, concern, regret, necessary action and so on.We do not propose that the fetus experiences that; such an all-encompassing conscious experience likely does depend on widespread cortical activity, as discussed elsewhere. Instead, we propose that the fetus experiences a pain that just is and it is because it is, there is no further comprehension of the experience, only an immediate apprehension. The fetus experiences something that is inherent to a certain level of biological activity, and which emerges at an unknown time often >>>>>>speculated<<<<< to be after 12 weeks’ gestation. Our position is quite similar to that of others who have argued that animals might not feel pain at all or feel something that is direct and bodily and not connected to any reflection such that the animal might regard the sensation as unpleasant or, indeed, regard the sensation as anything at all"
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