Comments by "Ameni0" (@Layde36) on "WION Wideangle: Sex work: Should prostitution be legal?" video.

Well thats the issue these women/men only look for attention and most of them are young adults who just started off their careers in life who start to see it as a good thing but really all it does is incentivise exploitation where demand is kept increasing at the expense of the person involved whether mentally or physically, it's better if prostitution stays illegal especially when the culture demands put on people become unrealistic
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Yes it is true because the nature of prostitution or sex work overall is it is considered a job and in jobs you have the incentive to push at any limits you want even if it comes at your own expense and really majority of porn industries and escort services incentivises young adults to take contraceptives and continue to indulge in many scenes as it brings popularity and contraceptives have been shown to have negative side effects for women like decreased fertility, hormonal changes and many others but still feel the need to continue the job as the pay is more but really at the expense of physical and mental health and women have to continue with many abortions if any accidents involving less dosages of birth control pills or other changes happen and there's also talk about making a male birth control pills which could permanently affect the fertility rates across the world, not to mention the rise of STDs among young adults increased by many factors, really theres a reason why prostitution and sex work overall has been shunned by society and really the money factor and exploitative culture around it especially when younger generations are involved in the mess that old generations create
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@nicholaskarayiannis3652 even if these jobs are made legal there's no denying the fact that in a personal level sex work isn't a ideal work especially when it is in the core exploitative where you can pay any right amount of money to pay a person to have sex with and that money instability is something that affects others especially when you are viewed as nothing more than a tool to be used for people who are many times your age and don't value you in any manner in the end and this is true especially for young adults who often are shunned in society for selling their nude pictures to anyone even people who have negative intentions against the person and sex overall is personal especially when families are involved into it, i feel like you have only had a shallow perspective of the concept of prostitution there are many dark histories behind it and for a good reason it is not accepted by society
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Yeah sure i mean it's like slavery was legal too right and you know in those old days women were second class citizens and really had no rights for them and really prostitution and human trafficking was very common back then too, i mean you can't just use logic of the old century and say that it should be applied in modern times especially when there were/are valid reasons why prostitution remained banned especially when people already understood that no one will be willing to sell themselves for money and really many of them are from poor communities doing anything for the right price and the nature of it itself is exploitative is already proven by many
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How does prostitution mitigate any abuse here ? If we live in a society where sex trafficking and other crimes against women are involved it just shows the incompetency of the government which is meant to protect its citizens from such exploitation, it just shows how people still haven't left the old century ways where women didn't even have rights let alone have jobs which doesn't involve them being exploited and it's no different from modern times here and instead of the opposite sex suffering for others pleasures it's more about everyone from all races and gender selling themselves equally for the sick pleasures of people, it still doesn't eradicate exploitation overall which the government is meant to do yet people are sick enough to seek pleasures at the expense of others, i mean Epstein island itself is an example of how modern culture failed the youths and the system which allowed all this and continues to allow people who seek exploitation to continue their voices and censor those who speak against it, the fact of the matter is the nature of sex work itself is exploitative whether people like it or not and it is an industry which involves physical and mental harm to those who involve their bodily functions to be ruined with contraceptives and surgery for sex appeal especially in the porn industry which is notorious for exploitation, people selling their bodies for the sake of money should never have been a thing especially in modern times where the ways of the old century like slavery and other exploitative jobs are slowly eradicated for people to lead prosperous lives, such an industry offers nothing to contribute to society other than satisfy the sick pleasures of people who seek to enjoy at the expense of others, work should never be at the expense of a persons physical and mental health and we already have technological marvels which are already replacing jobs which were harmful for people to conduct and this should be no different and people should seek more mutualistic ideals which benefits people positively
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And no humanity has never evolved if anything these are all ideals from the old century and prostitution had been something that has been existent for centuries as did slavery but you get payed for being abused is the difference, let's be real we could have all the advancements in human history we want like menial jobs especially those which risk human lives could be replaced with robotics which are getting accurate on every turn, jobs overall could be better and sustainable for people which doesn't involve them physical and mental harm and which sustains them overall, in the past at least it was understandable with the technological limitations but now we have all the advancements we developed but more is spent on the military instead on research which could have improved human lives, but no i guess corporatism demands we suffer regression just so that they can enjoy all the goodies even though all they are doing is reducing scientific research and development dooming themselves too, i mean we are living in times where you could just sell yourselves for people who only seek pleasure and one who sell themselves seeks to survive in this world, we are so materialistic and pretend it's fine to do this that we would have even allowed slavery at one point but only didn't cause it's not equality, people selling themselves for others needs for the sake of getting a roof over their heads just shows how descended down we are
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@Dopaaamine27 yeah it's like saying a person can do dangerous drugs and drink alcohol and drive and no consequences will come it's stupid how laws like these lead to many deaths and damages to people and prostitution is no different especially when money is involved
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@johnbabu3640 yeah its like saying we should do drugs and be protected and we can drink and drive and we should be protected, well the issue is if money's involved really there will be no jurisdiction on anything that will go on
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Well look how that goes with Amsterdam and how much cases of rape and child endangerment goes around in the thousands each year so really such countries keep all that under the wraps cause don't wanna disappoint the industry right?
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These are the type of people who think that you should drink and drive as long as there are regulations for it it's still harmful and not only kills the person but others too
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You are living in a pipe dream to think there will be any health care if money's involved and especially when sex work has clearly been associated with exploitation time and time again and shunned by society for a reason it is unlikely that sex work should be fully be accepted, i mean let's be real not many people will prefer their daughters/sons to sex work with people many times their ages for money especially when sex work has a history of exploitation
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@nicholaskarayiannis3652 well if people want sex legally or illegally really why should it be at the expense of others then? And in these industries sex workers constantly have to consume contraceptives which are shown to have negative side effects to the body, and the rising demand for sex and the culture is something that people need to have control of especially when there's no human element anymore where people are just seen as a tool to be used for any amount of money and it is already been shown by research that sex is addicting and that addiction is something that porn industries take advantage off especially young adults who aren't well educated on the topic at some places, and with money factor and exploitation there are reasons why society still sees prostitution negatively, and treating it as a job where ones own reproductive systems are involved is only harmful to those who constantly have to take abortions where there's risk for women involved in abortions and they have to deal with such risks while taking such jobs
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@nicholaskarayiannis3652 and talking about government in all honesty they in these recent years have shown nothing but incompetence and lack of interest of the people especially with the coronavirus situation and how much pharmaceutical industries have profited off the crisis and how mismanagement has ruined multiple economies, and laws and regulations won't work,especially when most of the decision makers in the the government is dictated by the rich and is in convenience for them, where government or not things don't get better if anything people will get more of an incentive to abuse the laws than before, i feel like you have an idealistic interpretation of prostitution overall instead of what actually happens behind closed doors and why people don't discuss because money's involved
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I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be legal as let's be real would you prefer your own kin to be involved with such a business where women have to be constantly fed birth control pills and ruin their physical bodies for the sake of others and making regulations isn't going to stop people from exploiting others really
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Not sure how society will face power rapes when people can dismiss such cases under the name of job and keep their mouths shut if enough money is willing to be payed, let's be real prostitution is for a reason despised by people for thousands of years and it's never been legalised especially when only the poor are the ones who involve themselves on such work on desperate measures and even then they don't stay on that job for long as long term health issues come up such as addiction to sex or constant use of contraceptives leading to side effects some even permanent, really only the ones who are paying for sex are the ones who enjoy really and they ofc won't bother to consider the health of the person they just had sex with and how it affects them really, so no thanks as we don't want such practices affecting our children and our society as it's only exploitative in nature, i mean really if people are that desperate for sex why not just do it for free and have mutualism and care for the person instead of treating them as just another product to use, really it's evident how western culture is ruined the perception towards sex and how much of it is constantly fed to people
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It's not even about morality anymore, it's more about the nature of people themselves and how they have stooped so low they will be seek pleasure from people who only do this for the sake of putting a roof over their house, many people if I'm honest in modern times are predatory especially when it comes to how if given an opportunity will surely exploit someone if they suffer no consequences for it, our culture which constantly pushes women and men to sell themselves in onlyfans for the sick pleasures of others who themselves are either antisocial with zero social skills to get pleasures from people via mutualistic understanding which is lacking on todays society as it's more like about screwing others and forgetting about them, and then you get people who make millions off such businesses and especially off youngsters who are given huge promises to participate in jobs like these, i mean stuff like Epsteins island itself is an example of how the rich take advantage of such a system which doesn't even protect its own citizens from predatory powerful people and justifies such a culture which has done nothing but physically and mentally ruin the youths who are used by the old, prostitution are jobs which come from the old century ways of how women or men who have gotten freedom can be allowed to sell themselves for money no different than slavery which obviously exists in poorer countries which the rich exploit, it's our culture and government which allowed all this instead of improving peoples lives and giving them employment which doesn't lead them to them suffering for the sake of avoiding living in poverty, the nature of sex work overall have been to seek pleasure from those who seek money and those who are addicted to sex due to excessive hormonal changes which being taken advantage off by people
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I mean lets be honest if people would be given an chance to seek jobs which they have interest in but weren't able to proceed due to fee basis many wouldn't even be choosing prostitution especially when it doesn't even allow society to progress, such jobs doesn't contribute anything to society other than benefit the rich or those who are seeking pleasure as a way to alleviate themselves at the expense of others, i bet if their daughters or kin were involved they probably wouldn't be talking about legalising it
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Well yeah sure if you want to continue an exploitative business then sure you can continue, especially when in these businesses excess amount of contraceptives are fed to the people involved so that they can meet the demand of people who have money and I'm sure the people who talk in the news won't dare to have their own daughter/sons involved in such businesses but they will gladly push others into it
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Yeah I'm sure the people of WION will push other people who are average into prostitution but will never involve their own kids into it really i mean the rich ofc doesn't want their own people to be exploited but will exploit others aight?
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Well cause we continue to feed into the culture the rich has provided for us where all we are stuck with is a chain of exploitation
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It's like we are heading backwards instead of pursuing education and knowledge of something in the world we rather make the basic functions we have as humans i.e reproduction and make it as a job and only ruin our body with it and get addicted towards sex and only shorten our lifespans, and sadly jobs like these have better pay cause the person paying for it only sees the person as a tool to use instead of a living breathing person
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@youtubeuser9938 well the income is really cause you are seen as a product instead of a living breathing person really and mostly the corrupt will pay any amount for it is why the income is good otherwise women in these businesses gain no profit even if they are physically attractive, especially when they get addicted to sex and don't earn any money anymore
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@GreyKing69 I'm sure it is understood right really, newsflash you can get addicted to anything which brings satisfaction and really giving people just more choice and saying they will be protected even though the person doesn't want to be protected and gets exploited despite gaining money isn't a good thing really and especially with the rich will have no limits in any business as long as money is involved, let's be real one of the main reasons why people choose prostitution is really because of money and that you can demand any price tag on a person, other than that people can just freely have sex with whomever they want and ask no money really and prostitution has shown many times that it has no limits even with protection as the example with Epstein island really, and again with a personal level no person would put their kin onto such a business and only as a desperate measure as really personally it destroys relationships with people and others of any age or relations like a friend or kin like uncle can choose to use the person for the sake of money and really people only accept it as a desperate measure sake not as something the person wants really, if the person wants sex they can just go freely hookup or have a good relation with that person not ask money and do it for the sake of it, it turns the person into nothing but a product which can be used by any other person regardless of whether it's moral or not, it's nothing but slave labour for women and children especially when they involve contraceptives where it's shown to ruin their physical health and have permanent side effects and also gets them addicted to sex which they continue to fall in
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@GreyKing69 if others are not understanding the point why not explain it really? Saying we should have safety on jobs like prostitution is the equivalent of saying we should legalise drugs and people will be protected on drugs
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No probably it won't be introduced as really the dark side of prostitution is something that's known to people so something like this will be unlikely to happen as sane people will think about their own kin first before introducing something like this
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@thatcitrusfriend6234 well really the nature of sex work itself relies on exploiting others for the sake of money, why do you think people go to brothels for really? They pay a person for sex which they couldn't get due to laziness to actually have social interactions or just being a person who solely seeks for sex as a way to satisfy themselves like drugs or alcohol and the person who is offering sex is seen as nothing but product to the person, i mean you are selling yourself in the end to people who could care less about you eitherway, with this work which has no form of mutualism and requires you to sell yourself to people who in the end will look down on you as a product is nothing but harmful to people, people overall accept it cause they have no choice but to make money like this especially in poorer countries or sex workers do it as a way to get that self satisfaction and addiction through sex which girls often fall prey to as many who fall into it especially among the rich can't get away easily from it as it has a mental hold on them even if they suffer abuse which lets be honest will be very common despite of what people claim prostitution to be safe , with this culture of non mutualism and sees people as products sex work overall should remain banned which of course corporate lobbyists wouldn't want as their money making asset is in threat of shutting down
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@thatcitrusfriend6234 i mean really it's obvious why people want the porn industry as they rather make millions off the youths who are given huge promises and groomed into prostitution than actually give them jobs and have them contribute to society and set an example for children who would be proud of their parents instead of being in shame, let's be real the fact of the matter is that in such industries people who will continue to look for sex only will treat the person as an object just like food or water and not a living thing, even in the industry which is only there to satisfy the sick fantasies of people who take pleasure from others miseries it's obvious many those who like it are addicted to it and aren't able to escape due to sex addiction, we are talking about the human body in which reproduction which is abused continually while sex workers take up contraceptives which causes a lot of side of effects ruining then physically and mentally, it's already become a problem where women nowadays sell themselves on onlyfans where their kin is left to disown them and feel isolated overall, prostitution has been part of the same old century based jobs which is no different than slavery but you get payed for all that abuse is the difference
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How so ? Really more like we are surely going to get a rising surges in work exploitation really and even if laws are put it doesn't matter really like alcohol was legalised and still people die from hit and run cases and alcohol induced violence, really sex work overall is shown to be exploitative regardless of what restrictions are put especially when money factor is the main reason of this work
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And really in personal matters no person would like their kin to be involved in such professions really especially when the nature of it involves selling your own body for money
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@thegirlsilove well the issue is that like i told really slavery was also legal too before but there was a reason why it was banned, ethics are something that people never care about in todays times especially when people just keep thinking about money instead of the well being of the people, and it is penalized for a very good reason especially when desperate families are involved in such businesses and taken advantage off, many criminals especially involve themselves in such businesses too as really it's more profitable with people who are drug addicts and keeping them in a cycle for money
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@thegirlsilove i mean in Amsterdam even if prostitution was legalised there are still cases continuing where people go through quiet abuses and rape in these professions but really if large amounts of money is involved no amount of laws will change anything about it, and really it also comes down to personal reasons too especially when ones kin gets ostracized and face constant harassment from people who think lowly of them and in society this is especially true, the reality is prostitution mostly involves people in poverty especially when most people on average won't be willing to put any of their kin in such businesses especially when everyone at this point knows the risks and how drugs are involved in all the time especially in the porn industry where workers constantly have to abuse contraceptives to work and face permanent side effects, theres a reason why we moved away from many of the practices of the old century and it was desperate times back then where people had to put food on the table for their family or themselves, but now times have changed and people have more opportunities than before and really sticking to the same old profession which people let go off isn't right on ethnical standards, really just because we have the freedom to do anything doesn't mean we should just do whatever we want especially when it's unethical and people continue to follow it because they hear it's good
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@thegirlsilove well that's where law enforcement comes in to avoid exploitation and make people aware and smart about the fact that things like this exists instead of just saying they will continue to operate and in the shadows and turn a blind eye like we do all this time, maybe if our government was honest and told the actual truth people won't be inside their comfort zone at all times and understand the problems with these industries
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@thegirlsilove i mean saying prostitution be legalised isn't gonna solve anything but make people less empathetic or be indifferent towards women or men as every harm done can be passed under the name of saying it's their job and just getting away with it, i mean we live in times where we are able to get away from the ways of the old century and think for ourselves and be individualistic and really we should be looking to better our way of life with science and human empathy but we rather make it such that we be constantly exploited by people powerful than us and continue the same old century ways, so why not just leave away from such practices where everyone has a better way of life and can do what they like without hurting themselves or others in the way
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@thegirlsilove well my position has always been a moral and ethical one especially when it looks for the well being of the person and how predatory behaviour can be avoided but sorry I'm not religious here, I'm aware of the atrocities people commit under the name of religion and really for that is where law enforcement needs to be there to help people avoid such exploitation, but you haven't provided me a valid reason of why prostitution being legalised will protect people here and ive explained why people for a reason understand why it needs to be banned, if anything it will only increase predatory behaviour and incentivises the rich to do anything they want now that they can have legal permission for their services
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@thegirlsilove i mean more than centuries ago women or people of colour didn't even have any rights to do what they wanted in life and now we have all the freedom we have, but that freedom isn't going to stay for long if we stop paying attention to it or turn a blind eye, things are only improving now and we should look to better ourselves instead of staying the same or getting worse since we got that opportunity now compared to the old days, i mean you ar right prostitution will not end and people will do anything for resources or money even sell themselves to others but we should prevent that and give them a better way of life here, anyways sorry for the long paragraphs i do agree to end this conversation and respect each others opinions
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@thegirlsilove How does prostitution mitigate any abuse here ? If we live in a society where sex trafficking and other crimes against women are involved it just shows the incompetency of the government which is meant to protect its citizens from such exploitation, it just shows how people still haven't left the old century ways where women didn't even have rights let alone have jobs which doesn't involve them being exploited and it's no different from modern times here and instead of the opposite sex suffering for others pleasures it's more about everyone from all races and gender selling themselves equally for the sick pleasures of people, it still doesn't eradicate exploitation overall which the government is meant to do yet people are sick enough to seek pleasures at the expense of others, i mean Epstein island itself is an example of how modern culture failed the youths and the system which allowed all this and continues to allow people who seek exploitation to continue their voices and censor those who speak against it, the fact of the matter is the nature of sex work itself is exploitative whether people like it or not and it is an industry which involves physical and mental harm to those who involve their bodily functions to be ruined with contraceptives and surgery for sex appeal especially in the porn industry which is notorious for exploitation, people selling their bodies for the sake of money should never have been a thing especially in modern times where the ways of the old century like slavery and other exploitative jobs are slowly eradicated for people to lead prosperous lives, such an industry offers nothing to contribute to society other than satisfy the sick pleasures of people who seek to enjoy at the expense of others, work should never be at the expense of a persons physical and mental health and we already have technological marvels which are already replacing jobs which were harmful for people to conduct and this should be no different and people should seek more mutualistic ideals which benefits people positively yet we live in times where things like these are purposefully kept away from the people for the sake of the rich who enjoy all the wealth in the world at the expense of others and research which is meant to improve peoples lives are only available for the elites, if anything it shows the failure of modern culture and the government which is meant to help the people here instead of putting them through jobs like these which only allows exploitation
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Nah more like you can get sex but really if no mutualism is there and really people are just seen as tools for pleasure and really the nature of the fact you can just have sex with anyone if you are willing to pay for it really cheapens it especially when there's no regard for the person, i mean these professions live for making money out of young adults especially those who just finish their school and such businesses are shown to only use people especially when the people who run the business themselves never involve in such professions anyways
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I'm pretty sure no father/mother will push their own kids into such a job really where they have to constantly consume contraceptives and undergo side effects onto the body, i don't get why we gotten so cheap to pay for sex really especially when people just are pushed into it for the sake of money
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@life... Yeah basically selling yourself for people who will have all the fun right?
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@life... Yeah i just elaborated on it more
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@invisiblesun6595 yeah a job which involves humans being sold as products for others satisfaction, you know there's a thing called ethics and this certainly is unethical at best especially when there are no limits to this "job" you say and guess what the world isn't America here, there are other people with different views and cultures which you all except everyone to follow the same western nonsense which has in recent times have shown to be a massive failure at best, look at how hypersexualized your culture is and you expect everyone to be the same and many countries would rather make prostitution illegal and provide better opportunities and sustainability for workers than sell themselves for others satisfaction which we seen from human nature time and time again to be endless even reaching extremes, many countries may not be perfect but they surely would be better than what the west continues to push other cultures into
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