Comments by "robs2020" (@sbor2020) on "CLOWNS: Nigel runs rings around 'remainer' Fred Sirieix in debate over Brexit benefits" video.
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Love, work and knowledge know no fatherlands, no customs barriers, and no uniforms. They are international and comprise all humanity. But you want to be a little patriot, because you are afraid of genuine love, afraid of your responsibility for your own work, afraid of knowledge. This is why you can only exploit the love, work and knowledge of others but can never create yourself. This is why you steal your happiness like a thief in the night; this is why you cannot see happiness in others without getting green with envy. ‘Stop thief! He is a foreigner, an immigrant_. – Wilhelm Reich, _Listen, Little Man
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@martinreed5964 Predictable response from a right-wing nutjob when you have no comeback: to refer to medication! About 15 years ago, there were libertarians on youtube that one could engage with, but for the last seven years people are still engaged with the ideology, but it has none of the intellectual grounding: you just take the viciousness and bigotry. You cannot refer to any Brexit benefits – for the UK, not for the ROI, neither can you give evidence of the EU “crumbling”. My claim is that Brexit, a widening and deepening of austerity, was a two-pronged attack on living standards and promoting profit accumulation of the capitalist class whilst getting working class voters on board with the promise of prosperity, jobs, and higher standards of living .
Case number one: AUSTERITY. The austerity measures from 2010 onwards was a political choice for which the electorate voted for more of the same in 2015, 2017, and 2019. Basically, the right-wing parties like UKIP, Brexit Party and Reform UK sided with the essentially "MORE AUSTERITY" wing of the Conservative Party in the Brexit debate, as it continues to side with them on and the billionaire oligarchs on promoting deregulation, misinformation and climate change denial. It is nothing less than sadistic populism to keep voting for a government that cuts public services, and not expect a crumbling broken Britain. Nigel Farage's question is pertinent: how did we get into this mess ? But he potions blame elsewhere.
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@chrisbow1776 Let’s begin by saying I am not pro-EU, to put it simply, I am against all institutions that are oppressive, and the Tory controlled UK government is far more oppressive than anything the EU has done . I am also against the liars and the charlatans and challenge the lies perpetrated by those that repeat the lies of their masters. This together with the drip-feed of GB News, a propaganda channel that pumps out bilious culture war content by venal presenters in the economic interests of their investors.
So firstly, you mentioned that you want the UK controlled by elected representatives. Well around 70 percent of the UK Parliament is unelected (788 in the House of Lords; 650 elected to the Commons), which accounts for more unelected representatives than any other country, including China, and - of course - the EU.
As for the economic cost/benefit of Brexit. Just because the Covid pandemic, and the war in Ukraine happened after Brexit, these are seen as more of a cause of negative growth and inflation. Indeed all three are contributing causes for the cost of capitalism crisis, but the thing is the government and Brexiteers deny the role of Brexit. This very morning I spend an inordinate amount of time, paperwork and money getting a blazer I had bought from the UK into an EU country where I live. If I were a small business, I simply wouldn’t be able to trade with the UK. Is that good for UK trade?
You also mentioned in another post the withdrawal of the ECHR. It is ironic that many self-professed “conservatives” crave this when it has been for decades the centrepiece of the conservative idea of liberty and the rule of law. What possible benefit would it serve for the people of the UK? And as for the repeal of the Human Rights Act, do you really want to accept UK legal decisions as the final arbiter? Do you wish to accept the outcome of the first Hillsborough 1989 football stadium trial as final and accept the cover up, rather than use the HRA to bring about a second inquiry? This government wants to strip you of your rights whilst using your hatred of the EU and the ECJ as a cover .
Finally, as for the EU Migration Pact, I have read parts of the document. It seems to me that it is seeking to make dealing with refugee status claims quicker and more efficient. So it is surely a step forward, but there are concerns from those countries that rejected the deal: Poland, Hungary, Austria, Czech Republic and Slovakia, and Germany which abstained. These issues include the “solidarity and fairness” clause that seeks to distribute the responsibility throughout the 27 countries. When it comes to the UK the government has certainly allowed the refugee situation to get out of hand, and has further exacerbate the problems with a lack of investment in social housing, and the public sector, and allowed “greedflation”. When it comes to how it affects Ireland as the country currently chooses, on a case-by-case basis, whether or not to adopt EU rules on immigration, visa and asylum policies.
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