Comments by "robs2020" (@sbor2020) on "DANGEROUS immigrant who threatened Nigel Farage documents apparent entry into Britain" video.
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@mre7862 Is there really any need for an ad hominem attack? Anyway, I think there's some misunderstanding about the role of the ECHR. It’s true that many rights, like the right to a fair trial, were part of British common law before the ECHR was created. However, the ECHR serves to protect these rights on an international level, ensuring that they are upheld consistently across Europe and providing additional safeguards if they are ever undermined domestically.
The ECHR offers a layer of accountability for governments, ensuring they adhere to basic human rights standards. For example, if someone feels their rights have been violated and can't find justice at a national level, they can appeal to the European Court of Human Rights, which adds another level of protection. The Hillsborough disaster is a case in point where the ECHR provided justice. The disaster, which occurred in 1989, resulted in the deaths of 96 football fans due to overcrowding at the stadium. For years, the victims' families struggled to get accountability and a thorough investigation.
It’s not about saying the UK didn’t have rights before 1953, but about recognising that the ECHR strengthens and reinforces those rights, ensuring they are protected beyond just the national legal system. Leaving the ECHR would remove those international checks and potentially weaken the protections we currently enjoy.
We can agree to disagree, but I believe it’s important to keep all safeguards in place, especially in uncertain times.
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@PiecesMissing Divert, distract, divide – that’s exactly what you’re doing here. Instead of addressing either of my points, you've deflected, which is a common tactic. Like many right-wing voices, you're quick to play the victim. You either lack the humility to admit you're wrong, or worse, you're deliberately spreading misinformation.
Let’s address the facts. You claim that leaving the EU meant leaving the Council of Europe (CoE). That’s simply untrue. Nowhere on the 2016 referendum ballot did it suggest such a thing. This misunderstanding just shows that perhaps you didn’t fully grasp what you were voting for.
As for Brexit's impact on immigration, particularly the boat crossings, let’s clear that up as well. Prior to Brexit, the Dublin Regulation allowed the UK to return asylum seekers to the first EU country they entered. But after leaving the EU on January 31, 2020, the UK no longer benefits from that framework. The government planned to negotiate new treaties to handle asylum claims but has faced delays in establishing them. As a result, managing asylum claims has become more difficult, and the number of crossings has increased. The loss of the Dublin Regulation has undoubtedly worsened the immigration situation, making control much more challenging than before Brexit.
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@PiecesMissing While the idea of leaving the ECHR was discussed by some, it wasn’t a central issue in the official Brexit campaigns. UKIP, led by Nigel Farage, did make leaving the ECHR a part of their broader agenda, focusing on regaining full control of UK laws, especially in areas like deportation and human rights rulings. But UKIP’s stance didn’t make it into the main Brexit debate in 2016.
The two major Leave campaigns – Vote Leave (backed by figures like Boris Johnson and Michael Gove) and Leave.EU (supported by Nigel Farage and Arron Banks) - focused almost entirely on the EU itself. Their key arguments were about immigration control, economic sovereignty, and reducing EU regulations. Vote Leave in particular avoided discussing the ECHR much and kept the focus on reclaiming control from Brussels, not from Strasbourg (where the ECHR is based).
Some of the public and commentators did conflate the EU with the ECHR, thinking they were closely linked, but they are two distinct institutions. The confusion probably stemmed from the general narrative of "taking back control" and sovereignty. While leaving the ECHR is a possibility post-Brexit, it wasn’t directly connected to the EU referendum. So, in reality, the idea of leaving the ECHR wasn’t a formal part of the Brexit campaigns - it was more about disentangling from the EU, not human rights law specifically.
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