Comments by "robs2020" (@sbor2020) on "Reform UK merger: Kemi Badenoch responds to rumours" video.

“The people” voted in a referendum on continued membership of the EU – there was no “political establishment” on the ballot paper. The reality is that Brexit was championed and delivered by politicians like Johnson, Farage, and Rees-Mogg – very much part of that same establishment it claimed to oppose. Even Kemi Badenoch has admitted that the Tories announced that we would leave the European Union before we had a plan for growth outside the EU . If the referendum result hasn’t lived up to expectations, isn’t the problem less about who delivered Brexit and more about the lack of a clear, realistic strategy from the start? How can we keep blaming “the wrong people” when the leaders of the Brexit campaign had no viable plan for the UK's future outside the EU?
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@Iazzaboyce I thought the analogy to a referendum on pop music in Afghanistan was complete nonsense, but nothing compares to this! The 'Brexit Deal' was negotiated by lifelong pro-EU political activists : Actually, the Conservative Party was purged of MPs who didn't support Brexit in July 2019, when Boris Johnson expelled 21 MPs who opposed his position. As for the Brexit negotiators, none of them were "lifelong pro-EU political activists." In fact, many were prominent figures in the Leave campaign, like Boris Johnson and Michael Gove. So, it's misleading to suggest that the Brexit deal was negotiated by pro-EU figures. The truth is, the individuals involved were largely in favour of leaving the EU, not supporting it. Today probably 85% of MPs are pro-EU political activists : After the 2024 General Election, the political landscape shifted significantly. While many MPs are indeed pro-EU, the Tory party was decisively rejected by voters, and Reform UK, despite media hype, ended up with only 5 MPs. This shows that even with heavy media presence, their message didn’t resonate with the majority. The pro-EU sentiment among MPs is strong, but the election results tell a you at least something about the trust voters place in certain parties and their positions. The 2024 'National Rejoin March' was attended by 500 people : Even your estimations are “Trumpian,” as reports suggest that tens of thousands attended the National Rejoin March in London in October 2024. We have the 'wrong people' in power : "While it's easy to say we have the "wrong people" in power, it's important to consider the complexity of the situation. The Tory government did implement policies like the points-based immigration system, but the unintended consequences - like labour shortages – show that even well-intentioned policies can have unexpected outcomes. As for Brexit, it was fully implemented by a pro-Brexit government under Boris Johnson, and the resulting trade barriers, supply chain issues, and worker shortages were predictable outcomes of the hard break from the EU. Blaming “remain” governments ignores the reality that the Brexiteers created these challenges. If you're looking to right-wing populism as the answer, it’s crucial to recognise that populism often brings its own set of problems, including deepened divisions and potential erosion of rights. The push to leave the ECHR, for example, could seriously undermine our basic freedoms and checks on government power. It's not just about “taking back control” – it's about giving those in power more control over us. The idea of having the “wrong people” in power is subjective, but it’s worth questioning whether the alternative truly addresses the root problems or just adds to the polarisation. Why not explain what you think is “complete nonsense,” and provide evidence to support your position?
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@Iazzaboyce 🤔Interesting how you’ve completely ignored the corrections I provided earlier about Brexit negotiators, the purging of pro-Remain MPs, and the realities of Brexit’s implementation. Should I take your silence as agreement that my points were correct? Also, you ask, “What’s stopping Rejoiners from having a referendum?” Well, perhaps it’s because the damage from the last one – based on misinformation and oversimplifications – is still being dealt with. Wouldn’t you agree that ensuring voters are fully informed and the consequences are thoroughly understood should come before rushing into another referendum? We're not Switzerland you know!
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